Dapol's Derailing N Gauge Britannia | Unboxing & Review

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    0:00 Intro
    2:43 Unboxing
    8:11 Prototype Info
    9:20 Detail
    17:28 Mechanism
    21:34 Performance
    27:25 Haulage
    33:02 Ratings
    37:15 Final Thoughts
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  • @lukeslocos6610
    @lukeslocos6610 Місяць тому +92

    Sam made the terrible mistake thinking because dapol make good 00 means they make good n gauge. I'd recommend steering clear of n gauge from dapol regarding steam. There locos are ancient and graham farish are just 100% better. Please look at a class 31 from farish, decent detail, good lights, ABSOLUTELY SILENT MOTOR [almost ;D ]

    • @WISDOMDUCK69
      @WISDOMDUCK69 Місяць тому +2

      What about the dapol London transport 57xx

    • @lukeslocos6610
      @lukeslocos6610 Місяць тому +4

      @Londontransportduck not too bad but still very VERY flawed, there's a good reason dapol loco spares are so easy to find, I saw a 9f that was manufactured in at least 2020 and then proceed to watch the valve gear fall off while an old trix 9f and farish black 5 doing the rounds like they did from factory.

    • @WISDOMDUCK69
      @WISDOMDUCK69 Місяць тому +3

      I must admit my n guage 57xx had visable glue and the hand raills weren't held on verry well

    • @captaintorch983
      @captaintorch983 Місяць тому +5

      Don't agree at all. I have a large number of Dapol Locos and only one, a WR 0-6-0PT runs erratically. In recent weeks I have purchased 4 of their new Class 59 's, absolutely stunning! My Pines Express and East Anglian sets are also very impressive.
      Some years ago I purchased a number of reduced GWR / WR prairie tanks for about £35 each. All still great runners.
      By comparison the GF matchbox tank in the new Western Rambler set is useless, despite a return to the dealer.

    • @vastjonea
      @vastjonea Місяць тому +3

      Graham Farish is Bachmann isn’t it

  • @davidmolin8944
    @davidmolin8944 Місяць тому +30

    This is why I’m a Kato fan only since they’re stuff runs perfectly fine compared to the other companies lol

    • @lukeslocos6610
      @lukeslocos6610 Місяць тому +2

      Eh I'd say your forgetting graham farish, there class 31's are brill, decent pullers, good paint, great lights , almost silent motors.

    • @thomasphillips885
      @thomasphillips885 Місяць тому +2

      *their

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +2

      Oh yeah... the Kato models I've tried were miles better than this!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @paulkandi
      @paulkandi Місяць тому +1

      Well its Japanese, say no more...

    • @lukeslocos6610
      @lukeslocos6610 Місяць тому

      @thomasphillips885 Thanks, for a reward you are getting nothing :D

  • @timchalk6810
    @timchalk6810 Місяць тому +40

    Back in the 80s i had a minitrix N gauge brittania and a 9F both of which had the motor in the engine. Lovely runners.

    • @ricktownend9144
      @ricktownend9144 Місяць тому +1

      I also had a Minitrix Britannia - no traction tyres, and it hauled 8 coaches without any problem!

    • @lukeslocos6610
      @lukeslocos6610 Місяць тому +1

      My grandfather's friend has 3 of the minitrix 9f and 2 brits and they run decent after quick warm up :D

    • @anthonymizen9095
      @anthonymizen9095 Місяць тому +1

      The Minitrix locos were excellent for their time. I inherited an Evening Star from my uncle and still runs well today

    • @marcosborne6540
      @marcosborne6540 Місяць тому +1

      Minitrix were and are excellent. Their 9f utilised the German BR52 chassis and the Brit the German 01 Pacific.

    • @marcosborne6540
      @marcosborne6540 Місяць тому +1

      Sam, if it was so poor back in 2010 that was a disgrace given the excellent running qualities of the Minitrix model from the 1970s. N gauge has been around since the 1960s so there is no excuse.

  • @blakesmith6303
    @blakesmith6303 Місяць тому +19

    Sometimes I don't understand how things get the ratings they do; "Doesn't work forwards, doesn't work backwards, requires a second mortgage to afford, and the designer personally slapped me in the face and insulted my mother. 3/5 stars, not too shabby."😁

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +3

      I gave it an F for fail??
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @blakesmith6303
      @blakesmith6303 Місяць тому +2

      @@SamsTrains I was thinking more of the star ratings which is something I've noticed a few times before you had the letter grading.
      Not a criticism, more of a humourous observation and I love your videos regardless.

  • @johnscarsandstuff
    @johnscarsandstuff Місяць тому +28

    Hi Sam. Dave Jones of DJM worked at Dapol before leaving to start DJM. After numerous bad experiences, I've sworn off Dapol N gauge steam locos. However, at some point, Dapol will release the loco drive Battle of Britain class, which will be interesting.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +6

      Hey John - yeah I had heard that - this did remind me of the DJM OO models! Yeah the BOB looks awesome!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001
      @kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001 Місяць тому +1

      @@SamsTrainsPlease can you upload a story called Thomas and Gordon get tricked.

    • @dwaynejohnson4892
      @dwaynejohnson4892 Місяць тому +1

      Thanks for the commercial

  • @lapiswake6583
    @lapiswake6583 Місяць тому +5

    I have a Dapol 70013 Oliver Cromwell that I bought in 2016 I think (possibly the last N gauge loco I bought), and it is fantastic. It runs even slower than yours, and much smoother, doesn't derail, isn't noisy, and is immensely powerful. I've had it on 36 coaches on a large N gauge layout belonging to a friend before, with seemingly more power left in it.
    However, Dapol's main issue for me is quality. Their locos can vary from excellent to poor from loco to loco (my terrier is great, but my 57xx isn't), and their older 00 wagons are pretty poor too. And their 0 gauge, quite often I buy a wagon and put it in my bag, then when I get home one of the buffers has fallen off the bufferbeam.

  • @WinterroSP
    @WinterroSP Місяць тому +8

    As an engineer, I can see that they used the Wong driveshaft for the job, the motor and loco are connected by these X heads, a type of driveshaft that become stiff in s motion (like curves), and so causing derailments. Had they used the round heads, which are more fexible. This loco would’ve been a good runner.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +3

      Fascinating - thanks a lot for sharing - sounds like an oversight!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @tobythehairlessdog8876
      @tobythehairlessdog8876 Місяць тому +3

      It's a Chinese driveshaft then? Woof!

    • @Demun1649
      @Demun1649 Місяць тому

      @@tobythehairlessdog8876 😆😆🤣🤣🤣🙃🙃🙃

  • @user-uk8jr6zc9l
    @user-uk8jr6zc9l Місяць тому +3

    JerseyBill here and I have sworn off any tender drive locomotives altogether from all brands. They all seem to have similar problems at some point no matter what scale and don't get me started about split chassis locomotives. lol. Great video and your assessment is accurate.

  • @joshslater2426
    @joshslater2426 Місяць тому +2

    Weirdly enough, I had a dream about a similar locomotive a few months back. I dreamt I was at the National Railway Museum, and at the back of the station hall, opposite a blacksmith’s shop for some reason, was a Britannia- type loco known as “The Flying Buccaneer”. The NRM doesn’t have a loco like this, and to my knowledge I’ve never seen one, but somehow it was manifested into my dreams.

  • @TweeksCoffeee
    @TweeksCoffeee Місяць тому +4

    I personally love old tender drive locos in Ngauge, as you can replace the motor and mechanism with the little Kato chassis and pop the tender body back on top!. Its diecast, has a flywheel and costs under £30 :)
    Oh, and is also a brilliant base for 3d printed bodies.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +2

      Sounds interesting! I might have to look into that!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Skipper.
    @Skipper. 14 днів тому

    Top marks for naming and shaming Sam, it shows how good your videos are for someone else to try to pass off as theirs. Don’t be put off and keep up your faithful work to the hobby. Please

  • @lawrenceappleyard3971
    @lawrenceappleyard3971 Місяць тому +1

    Sam. I have just purchased the same loco pre owned from Clarks rail. It is DCC fitted and I had the same issue running it on my main layout. I found the problem with it was if you don't make sure that both floating bogie wheels are on properly on the front bogie. Since finding this out I sorted the problem out. I model in N gauge, but like watching your channel.

  • @phillipmackay1536
    @phillipmackay1536 Місяць тому +2

    To see (in my opinion) "how it should,d be done" get yourself a recent Kato Japanese steam loco. They are I feel some of the best running locos available. Even better than many HO/OO steam locos!
    Also exceptionally good value. At a direct exchange rate comparison (not counting post or customs) you could get a large 2-8-2 tender loco from Japan for less than £60!

  • @mandrillfoden
    @mandrillfoden Місяць тому

    Pretty fair review as always Sam.

  • @bingbonus9636
    @bingbonus9636 Місяць тому +2

    Hi Sam, I hear you say in your review and expensive model costs around 200-250 pound, that is like 290€ for a locomotive. Today i bought this locomotive from Märklin number 39281. Here in Belgium this locomotive costs 339€ at the local store and around 400€ at Märklin, so that is around 290 to 340 pound. This is an entry level at Märklin as most locomotives cost around 400€ and upwards. Even a secondhand analogue model in good condition can set you back 120-200€ and then i'm talking about locomotives from 1986. To upgrade this old locomotive will costs you around 170€ to digitalize with new motor, decoder, sound and finetuning in speed.
    The point i'm trying to make: You review a lot of locomotives and you are right, some are absolute crapshows.. but getting crappy locomotives from the UK vendors like Hornby & co doesn't surprise me as the budget is limited to 200 pound is dirt cheap for a locomotive and you wouldn't even find a decent model for that price at Märklin.

  • @stephenesposito6885
    @stephenesposito6885 Місяць тому

    Great review! Those "New Haven" coaches are a hoot...

  • @thegoldendog7991
    @thegoldendog7991 Місяць тому +3

    Britannia has always been my favourite locomotive. I love the design of it.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +2

      Yeah it's a very iconic design isn't it??
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @RonCooper-nl4pn
      @RonCooper-nl4pn Місяць тому

      @@SamsTrainsI have seven Btitts and in four different gauges, my ‘N’ is a Minitrix and my ‘O’ is an MMP kit built by myself. All brilliant runners. Regards from Ron. 👍🚂

  • @JustinFrazier_360
    @JustinFrazier_360 Місяць тому

    Amazing review of the britannia sam!

  • @shteviemac8310
    @shteviemac8310 Місяць тому

    Thanks so much for this vid, I love to see n gauge reviews, i have a very similar merchant navy class that behaves the same, its back with the dealer atm

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому

      Thank you so much - ahh dear - was that a Dapol too?
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @DennisLora2001
    @DennisLora2001 Місяць тому

    Good job as always Sam keep up the good work 21:53

  • @mysilentwake
    @mysilentwake Місяць тому +2

    So looking forward to this. I mentioned a while ago that you may be shocked when you review certain locos!

    • @Elvinley
      @Elvinley Місяць тому +1

      This is still me but my railway channel by the way! I have modelled N gauge for decades, so any advice feel free to ask!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you! Yeah pretty shocked by this one - seems like Dapol N is quite a mixed bag!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @Elvinley
      @Elvinley Місяць тому

      @@SamsTrains Cheers Sam. See my more recent reply after I watched your vid for some more info. I would recommend the most recent Farish steamers with coreless motors. Some still have issues, but if you get a good one they are excellent and well built. The new tooled Next 18 4F for instance, is a great runner, has fully detailed cab and lots of fine details all round.

  • @briandesens144
    @briandesens144 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video Sam's trains 😊

  •  Місяць тому +1

    I have the lined version of this. If it bounces up at the rear - get it looked at or swapped. My first one had this issue, but died before I could do anything due to a power surge. The replacement doesn't bounce and has run a lot longer, so here's hoping it works for years to come.
    It also really doesn't like radius 2 or lower curves. Radius 3+ are fine. You also really need a straight before any sort of curve with this to be honest.

  • @southernrailway00
    @southernrailway00 Місяць тому

    Hi Sam thanks for another great video could we maybe see the n gauge terrier in the future many thanks for your reviews

  • @VRDenshaOtaku
    @VRDenshaOtaku Місяць тому

    Kato trains used to have thier early N scale Japanese steam engines with the motor in the tender, so seeing a "modern" N scale steam loco with tender drive is quite a suprise

  • @SomeGuynamedOtto
    @SomeGuynamedOtto Місяць тому

    I'm so excited for it

  • @Tombola1993
    @Tombola1993 Місяць тому

    I can remember seeing No. 70000 ‘Britannia’ in Cardiff Central as if it was 5 minutes ago. I’s give anything to go back. Plus the coupling rods on this model look as if they have been straight out of the 3D printer without being sanded.

  • @NotGavin
    @NotGavin Місяць тому +2

    Great review Sam, loving the N scale content!! As a suggestion, i recommend you check out a N scale model from Atlas. They have a ton of really good American locos, i have a few myself and they all run really quiet and have good detail.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому +1

      Ahh interesting - I've seen some great Atlas HO models so would like to try that!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @michaeltaylor1869
    @michaeltaylor1869 Місяць тому

    Well done Sam very good camera work as usual bye for now Philip

  • @iansngauge
    @iansngauge Місяць тому

    Enjoyed the review Sam! I've looked at these a number of times, but think I'll give them a miss until the tooling is updated! Dapol tender driven steamers don't seem to have a good reputation, but I've found that most of their diesels have been really good runners! I've got their 27, -31-, 33, 43, 50 and 122, and only the 27 had running issues which were easily fixed once I knew what the problem was! I'm a big fan of their "supercreep" motor, which works exceptionally well on DCC! Keep the N gauge reviews coming! :) All the best, Ian.

    • @MyMustang72
      @MyMustang72 Місяць тому +1

      dapol do not make a n gauge 31.

    • @iansngauge
      @iansngauge Місяць тому

      @@MyMustang72 - That's a very good point! Got a bit carried away with my numbers there! Thanks for pointing out my error! Ian

  • @Pedro-lf4gr
    @Pedro-lf4gr Місяць тому

    Sam check the wires from the tender to the loco as they are a swine for breaking that will cause the erratic running, if mine start not running well this is the first thing I check 👌

  • @PlatformONE
    @PlatformONE Місяць тому +1

    @Sam Trains, you should've ran it in on the outside line with thr larger radius curves.

  • @zacsteamlocomotive1800
    @zacsteamlocomotive1800 Місяць тому +1

    remember when you review the replacement black 5 sam please do it to the oxford n7 in be black no. 69670 thank you

  • @adamlim1644
    @adamlim1644 Місяць тому +1

    Hey Sam, quick question: are there any plans to get some N scale Japanese Locos?
    Great vid as always, love to see more N scale trains in the future!

  • @Elvinley
    @Elvinley Місяць тому

    Great vid Sam. Finally an honest review on a big platform of a Dapol steamer; it's been a long time coming. I finally had time this eve to watch the full thing. I'm not sure you would remember, but when you reviewed two TT wagons some time ago we had a little discussion about prices and our conversation ended as follows:
    Sam: "Oh okay! Well that is ridiculous - EFE rail are consistently terrible value in my experience. A lot of the Dapol N scale stuff is pretty affordable though - £93.50 for a 2mt, £133 for a Britannia (retailer prices, so comparable to Hornby's with the club discount). So I'd say it works out at around the same as N gauge then
    Thanks for watching, Sam :)"
    My response was: "I think the sets are very good value in TT and the locos look stunning. I really wish you would review an N gauge steam loco by Dapol. You would be very surprised and probably not in a good way! They keep churning out engines that should have been redesigned. Us N gaugers have had to put up with some dodgy stuff over the years Sam!"
    So you can imagine how pleased I was to see you reviewing this loco. I had a feeling it wasn't going to go down too well. I wasn't pleased that you had a disappointing time with the loco of course, but that you could see the state of affairs as they stand. There have been a few issues with Dapol steam locos over the years that we N Gaugers have had to battle with including the following:
    Motors getting hot
    Wires between loco and tender breaking
    Valve gear very delicate and easy to bend
    Noisy motors
    Circuit board issues
    Cardan shaft disengaging easily
    Traction tyres causing wobbles
    Derailments
    Poor QC
    The list goes on. It isn't just steam locos that have issues, and it isn't just Dapol that have issues either. I have many horror stories as well as lots of lovely locos that run perfectly.
    In the past the magazine reviews all used to say 'Runs smoothly and quietly throughout the speed steps' and experience told us otherwise. I used to go to the Dapol open days and they are a nice bunch of people that mean well. I picked up a lot of NQP stuff for bargain prices over the years and got to chat to them. I don't have a beef with them, but it saddens me to see these old locos sold for such high prices these days with issues that haven't been addressed at all. The newest N gauge steam loco from them, which was the re-tooled M7 had quite a few issues. N gauge needs quality control and improvements or people will be put off for good.
    You have to love N Gauge to be involved with it but it can be as frustrating as it is fun!

  • @johnbill9201
    @johnbill9201 Місяць тому

    An eye opening video Sam, I've got a Dapol A4 with the same loco to tender drive pinion that keeps falling out, I wouldn't consider another Dapol loco, Graham Farish all my locos run really well, I must say that in OO gauge I have a Castle and a Country locomotives for some time now, purchased new, no problems with these at all, J

  • @jamesdunloptrains
    @jamesdunloptrains Місяць тому

    Awesome video today Sam might have to get a hornby one

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому

      The Hornby one is great looking in OO!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @RichardKuivila1947
    @RichardKuivila1947 Місяць тому

    Does the Rust or Paint on the motor rotor improve performance ? Should the instructions indicate a DCC (not DC) blanking plug ?

  • @timhubbard8895
    @timhubbard8895 Місяць тому

    I have two Dapol N Gauge Britannia's and both are good runners! The drive shaft is fairly easy to reengage and not really an issue for me.
    I agree with one issue though and that is the drawbar.
    That looks very suspect in the way it can contort itself in an awkward way whilst in reverse and cause those derailments.

  • @jocksavard41241
    @jocksavard41241 Місяць тому

    could you review the bachmann peter sam? or the bachmann skarloey? they’re fantastic little models and i know you’ll be impressed.

  • @gwrbuckleyjunction1733
    @gwrbuckleyjunction1733 Місяць тому

    Brilliant loco same
    Quick question matey what do you do with the locos after reviews ?
    And would you be interested in selling loco ?
    Many thanks
    Sion

  • @gamingwithlukeJToH
    @gamingwithlukeJToH Місяць тому

    You should do a video at some point where you go into that storage closet with the old broken models, pick out like 5 that are in poor condition, and then see if you can fix them up. It wouldn't be like Salvage or Scrap where there's a time limit, just unpressured repair work.

  • @ChrisJNeale
    @ChrisJNeale Місяць тому

    Regarding tender motors with a cardan shaft to the loco I have a couple of Rivarossi Royal Scots, (scale somewhere between OO & HO - a bit strange...), with this set up and it works very well - they are lovely runners. The OO gauge Graham Farish King, Merchant Navy and Black 5 locos from the early 1950's also used this configuration but with a very odd 2-pole motor, which runs fine if it does start to run, but which unfortunately isn't exactly guaranteed!!

  • @johnlevey9935
    @johnlevey9935 Місяць тому

    Had similar issues with Dapol A4 Seagull. Noisy and not happy on size 2 curves. Also tender came away from loco and had to reconnect the drive. With n gauge I have had a few issues generally with the motion jamming. I find n scale diesels pretty trouble free.

  • @andrewduke1489
    @andrewduke1489 Місяць тому

    I love this channel

  • @Shark_Builds_Bro
    @Shark_Builds_Bro Місяць тому

    Hey Sam, are you going to add some scenery to your N guage board someday, like trees and buildings?

  • @1471SirFrederickBanbury
    @1471SirFrederickBanbury Місяць тому

    The funny thing about the design is that the whole point of having the tender in the rear was so that one could stuff the boiler full of lead and use a weight transferring (bent down) drawbar to maximise the maximum possible weight on the driving wheels, but someone at Dapol didn’t quite understand!

  • @endoorrailway
    @endoorrailway Місяць тому

    Hi, you have too many comments already for me to read through them all (managed 110), so apologies if I repeat what someone else has said.
    That was a great review, and sadly mirrors my experience of Dapol N-gauge tender steam loco running quality. I was bemused by it to start with, so made a video about it, and got plenty of comments from other people sharing similar experience. Of Dapol tender steam locos I had 1 good loco from 2018, and in 2022-2023 5 bad ones, one of which was a Britannia. The Britannia was the final straw - I don't buy any brand-new old-tool Dapol steam locos any more. I returned the Britannia for refund - during its backwards running-in it was regularly grinding almost to a halt - it didn't derail like yours though. When Hattons closed I wasn't tempted by any such "bargains" - I know I need the option to return for refund ;)
    An example of nice in-cab detail in British outline N is Graham Farish's LMS 4F.
    If you want to see how my Dapol Britannia ran it's here (linked at the appropriate timestamp): ua-cam.com/video/yahiSgG5kIo/v-deo.html

  • @RichardKuivila1947
    @RichardKuivila1947 Місяць тому

    Odd draw bar has two pivot points, neither is located at axle centerline and has a notch. . Can this hang-up in reverse direction ? Also having both the gear drive AND the connecting rods fight each other ?

  • @ferguskenny4578
    @ferguskenny4578 Місяць тому +2

    I've plenty of N Scale...but I go with Trix, Fleischmann etc

  • @macombmagi
    @macombmagi Місяць тому +5

    You should make this a special project and put a coreless motor in it and fix the tender connection

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Місяць тому

      That would be awesome actually - I'd like to see how much room there is inside this body!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @macombmagi
      @macombmagi Місяць тому

      +
      @@SamsTrains Thanks for all of your entertaining videos Sam!

  • @OlivierGabin
    @OlivierGabin Місяць тому

    The two Dapol steamers I have are this one, and the 9F. By chance for me, both are correct runners. I might be lucky...
    Honestly, on Dapol N, their diesels are less circonvoluted. I have a class 22 and a class 35 from them, nice models overall.
    By the way Sam, I'm running them on 280mm curves minimum (Tomix track, 17mm broader than your second radius Peco), that might help...

  • @scox5286
    @scox5286 Місяць тому

    Completely agree with most of the comments and I have had some of the usual issues with Dapol in general over the years. In general, I still prefer older Farish engines. I don't like the Dapol tender drive set up at all. Despite my better judgement I bought this exact same model (£130 bought at Rails in Sheffield in 2023). Well I liked the look of it! I checked the wheels for gap etc., and all were exact as they should be. Sure enough, even after initial standard set up maintenance it was very clunky around my track, occasional derailing for no obvious reasons. So I gave it a very long run on a rolling road (hours of it back and forward!) and it now runs really smooth around even R1 curves. It hasn't give any problems of any sort since and runs as I would have hoped.......

  • @hornet1068
    @hornet1068 Місяць тому

    I have an N gauge Dapol 0-6-0 tender driven Q1, lovely looking loco, but I've nicknamed it `Straightline` as it seems any short radius points or tight curves it meets, it falls off the track, my Minitrix 9f 2-10-0`s and A4`s sail over them no issues

  • @2010ditta
    @2010ditta Місяць тому

    Funny how it hasn't got nameplates on the smoke deflectors. Nice one Sam.

  • @The_Man_At_The_FndWHR
    @The_Man_At_The_FndWHR Місяць тому

    You should do a review on the new small englands peco have made. Once they are released

  • @Cross_Trainspotting
    @Cross_Trainspotting Місяць тому

    I would love it if you added some scenics to your layout and possibly a station?

  • @davidatkinson2167
    @davidatkinson2167 Місяць тому

    It probably has gears to each wheel as the rods look to be plastic and are just along for the ride. They don't need to be strong they are cosmetic.
    A suggestion. Would it be possible to obtain a spare front driving axle and do away with the driving bands on the rear by fixing a spare front axle in its place?

  • @amostlynottoxicdude8002
    @amostlynottoxicdude8002 Місяць тому

    Hi Sam, im confused. Do you use a green screen or is that actually your background? The focal length seems off to me

  • @BrewPub
    @BrewPub Місяць тому

    Back in the late 80s I bought a SNCF class 241P steam loco made by Joef, that had the motor and gears all in the tender. So wondering why Dapol didn't just have the tender driving the loco, would've used the weight of the motor for traction.

  • @TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
    @TheTrainspotterFromTauranga Місяць тому

    This engine's tendency to derail reminds me of the N class 2-6-0 from the Thanet Flyer train set.

  • @l1a146
    @l1a146 Місяць тому

    I bought a Dapol A4 with a similiar mechanism some time ago.
    Detail wise it was light years ahead of my ancient Farish A4.
    Unfortunately it ran horribly and derailed a lot when it ran in a clockwise direction and was awful over points.
    I bought it from UK and had it sent to Australia. So sending it back wasnt worth the trouble.
    I tried all the tips as found online to sort it to no avail.
    All in all it was very disapointing, So It got sold off and I went back to my old Farish A4.

  • @andrewguttry6886
    @andrewguttry6886 Місяць тому

    In my experience many n-scale locos need a lot of running-in; much longer than the recommended standard 30 minutes each way. Both my Panniers were poor runners from new; after many hours' use they now run smoothly and quietly.

  • @AllensTrains
    @AllensTrains Місяць тому

    I would beware of buying old stock at a knock down price from discount merchants. I don't collect N gauge, except by mistake! I got an N gauge coach at a knock down price on eBay thinking it was OO. I laughed when it came! Have fun and keep the reviews coming.

  • @EclecticTastes
    @EclecticTastes Місяць тому

    I wonder if the derailing problem isd something to do with the drive shaft coupling? It looks like the tender is "twisting" and derailing perhaps? O wonder if you ran it on a stand, and checked to see whether there is a torque problem when the connection between cab and tender binds with part of the loco on curves, causing the tender to twist, and derail?

  • @christopherstokes9393
    @christopherstokes9393 Місяць тому

    15:05 - My Graham Farish 4F has painted cab detail, so that might be one to try :) .
    I also have a Dapol Britannia, but sadly, it's been one of my worst locos. It's always been wobbly and stuttery - and now, the wires connecting the loco to the tender have broken, so it's picking up from the tender wheels only (which tend to get very dirty). Needless to say, I don't run it very often!

  • @russellbenton2987
    @russellbenton2987 Місяць тому

    DJ used to work for Dapol so possibly was involved in design . Would explain a lot !

  • @Fs_G45
    @Fs_G45 Місяць тому

    I recommend for a different style of review the Leyland fleet line by rapido many route options, a couple livery’s and are incredibly detail and come with lights just a recommendation, great video.

  • @matthewforth8561
    @matthewforth8561 Місяць тому

    Would you ever consider having a look at the Dapol 45xx? I've got a 14xx which is decent, and a 57xx which is brilliant, but I've heard rather unsettling things about the performance of the small praries?

  • @robertlucido3686
    @robertlucido3686 Місяць тому

    Have you ever thought of doing a running session where you run both TT scale and N scale at the same time

  • @Hacksworth_Sidings
    @Hacksworth_Sidings Місяць тому

    If you want to review a far more primitive version of that mechanism, take a look at an old Graham Farish OO loco (5MT, King, Merchant, NYC Hudson), 2 pole motors (which run far more reliably than people make them out to), rather awkward to disassemble but easy enough to rebuild too

  • @RichardKuivila1947
    @RichardKuivila1947 Місяць тому

    Yes, It came with the white Lint and Fibre installed, and in N Scale ! (You don't call this out in the review ?) Not as much as your OO locos. . . . ?

  • @lilyzzworld
    @lilyzzworld Місяць тому

    My guess is that the dodgy gauging is causing the flanges to interfere with the rather large fishplates, which explains those large "jumps"; they act like speedbumps in a McDonald's drive thru.

  • @finnbroughngauge
    @finnbroughngauge 23 дні тому

    Its getting better these days but traction tyres are still used quite a bit in N gauge. I think a lot of it is due to weight. If i take them off my farish A1 it wont pull anything at all (but that js tender driven)

  • @rogerlockwood2363
    @rogerlockwood2363 Місяць тому

    if you think this is bad you should try a manor class. I bought mine second hand as non runner or spares and repairs as cheap as £50 just needs a new wire or traction tyre. I haven't bought any dapol steam locomotive from new. The motor is call super creap but it should really delete the e out of creap.

  • @johnchadwick4222
    @johnchadwick4222 27 днів тому

    Just wondered why you didn’t fix the back to backs, to see how it would run with correct gauging. The Brits and other Dapol loco’s I’ve seen on the club layout all run fine.

  • @voshanimacoon-jagarnauth2457
    @voshanimacoon-jagarnauth2457 Місяць тому

    CAn you please do a review on graham farish n gauge lms 10000

  • @mikedennington8856
    @mikedennington8856 Місяць тому

    What's with the streaks in the hair, or are you going grey?

  • @alexanderstern3359
    @alexanderstern3359 13 днів тому

    The drive shaft solution thing is very similar to older German Arnold tender engines. German Railways class 18.4 or class 01 had these too. But with those, it worked fine. Roco also did this in the 80s with their N scale class 44. Compared to Fleischmann's tender- driven engines they work and pull really well. Those tender driven things run superbly, as long as they are run on super even track and are maintained wrll. If not, they'll get stuck hopelessly on any slight bump or push the engine along with fully stuck wheels... So there have been quite shitty steamers in N scale. I guess with this one it's down to that weird and really coarse drawbar. Never seen anything like that.

  • @NWRJ_WStudios
    @NWRJ_WStudios Місяць тому +1

    Happy May 1st Sam, first video of the month.
    Cheers Jasper & Willow

  • @davidstrains4910
    @davidstrains4910 Місяць тому

    That’s unfortunate that one, the overall appearance of the model looks quite good and I do like the brittanias, I like the yellow axleboxes on this model, it’s also something I really like on my OO gauge standard design locomotives, as N Gauge is my dads scale he doesn’t have one of these but not because of the derailing issue, he just isn’t much of a fan of the standard locomotives compared to me.
    Sent a tweet to you a couple of hours sam regarding something on the Kernow Railmotor, not sure if you have seen it yet though.

  • @derironrailfan1919
    @derironrailfan1919 Місяць тому

    why do diesels run quieter with awd compared to steamers with similar mechanisms

  • @TenCJones
    @TenCJones Місяць тому

    I wonder how it would perform if the excess gears were removed?

  • @RichardKuivila1947
    @RichardKuivila1947 Місяць тому

    Shouldn't run-ins be done on a figure 8 circuit, so that locomotive has both left AND right handed curves ?

  • @MrBnsftrain
    @MrBnsftrain Місяць тому

    This wasn't Dapol's first N scale loco as they acquired Minitrix toolings of British trains in the mid-80s or early-90s. I'm not sure when they started in O scale, though.
    Around the time this model was introduced, Dapol was awarded the title of N-gauge Manufacturer of the Year.

  • @remyxiong4584
    @remyxiong4584 Місяць тому

    Sam have you got a n scale before

  • @Enviro4000
    @Enviro4000 Місяць тому

    I was considering one of these, thanks for the review, I'll save the money instead.

  • @TRJ326
    @TRJ326 Місяць тому

    Almost all of Dapols N gauge tender engine are like this. This is why I’ve stuck to my old minitrix One since I started in N.

  • @thisisaduck
    @thisisaduck Місяць тому

    It’d be interesting to see a comparison between this and the Hornby one. It’s pretty good.

    • @thisisaduck
      @thisisaduck Місяць тому

      It even has working headlights and an unintended blue firebox flicker probably coming from its motor.

  • @jeannedarcalterberserker8620
    @jeannedarcalterberserker8620 Місяць тому

    If OO/HO gauge tender drives kinda suck, I can't imagine this in N scale. Granted, I have the old 4-4-0 American by Bachmann. Had two, sold one after it sucked when running because the tender wheels don't turn properly. Then I got one for free from a friend, serviced it, it now runs to a certain degree without the motor burning out. I was actually very close to buying this last year, but now, I'm glad I didn't. I am looking for the M7, which seems to be a more modern tooling with cab details. While I understand your disappointment, I would love to see a review of it or the 14xx. A shame, but it looks like Grafar will be a better choice.

  • @jackstrains4468
    @jackstrains4468 Місяць тому +1

    Beautiful looking loco considering the scale, but in my opinion no where near as good looking as an 00 gauge version- I think for the price it at least needs cab detail! Great n gauge review sam, as always!

  • @1471SirFrederickBanbury
    @1471SirFrederickBanbury Місяць тому

    Oh Sam, defeated by a n scale model. I don’t blame you though. N scale models made with plastic never want to stay on the rails without some lead. Thanks as always!

  • @TrentFalkenrath
    @TrentFalkenrath Місяць тому

    If I can get nicely detailed N-scale steam locos, I think that'd be my choice for a layout. I think it'd be rather nice to have a more elaborate layout with more scenery, buildings, roads, yards, etc. However, I'm not naive enough to believe it's easy to create reliable locos in that scale. Hence why I'd also consider tt120 if Hornby wasn't being so stingy.

  • @Botstudios1691
    @Botstudios1691 3 дні тому

    I would be carful with dapol tender engines as most of them have quite bad running problems but dmu's, emu's, diesels and saddle/pannier tanks will be fine.
    P.S-great vid

  • @azuma892
    @azuma892 Місяць тому +3

    Sam, have you tried sleeping in the loft? If yes, how was the experience?

  • @Alpha-oo8
    @Alpha-oo8 Місяць тому

    Hmm, that mechanism does give me strong DJM vibes.
    I wonder what David is up to these days?

  • @TheTransportationFanfromCA
    @TheTransportationFanfromCA Місяць тому

    Hey Sam you should review an American steam loco mabey Broadway Limiteds mikados

  • @darreno9874
    @darreno9874 Місяць тому +1

    The argument that they could not get small motors is crazy, way back in the early 1970's Marklin launched Z gauge so small motors did exist. This loco has a silly power train, hence the jerky running

  • @toyroadsrails-trainscarspl1709
    @toyroadsrails-trainscarspl1709 Місяць тому

    Well, it's pretty. I'll give it that. I'm still thinking about trying N Scale someday. But probably not this model.

  • @gwyny420
    @gwyny420 Місяць тому

    Graham farish for n gauge steamies in my opinion!
    Also kato for some cheaper but mostly reliable runners.