BOB PERRY Yachts Talks Design and Refit Strategies
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- What questions would you ask the legendary yacht designer, “The Maestro” Robert Perry?
I sat down with Bob for a wide ranging discussion about my refit plans, some of his design philosophies, and some other stuff too.
Bob Perry Yachts has, for more than 40 years, been synonymous with world class cruising sailboats. Many of his designs have forever shaped the way that sailboats are designed and built.
From the radically unconventional (at the time) and incredibly capable Valiant 40, to the incredibly successful Tayana 37, and onto Bob’s beautifully crafted custom builds, Bob Perry’s boats are all regarded as some of the very best that money can buy.
Bob offers some great services to those looking to acquire the boat of their dreams, or refit one that they already have. His consultation business is very active and he has helped many sailors in that regard.
To get in touch with Bob for consultation requests, visit his website:
www.perryboat.com/
If you are interested to know more about Bob’s life and some of the amazing boats that he has designed as well as the philosophies that shaped them…
Pickup a copy of Bob’s Book!: amzn.to/3CnzSaV
Join the Bob Perry Facebook Fan Page (Bob is a moderator and posts often): / 187149054996410
Contents:
0:00 - Welcome to the Boat Shed
1:19 - A Visual Introduction to Bob Perry’s Design Studio
2:29 - Bob’s Connection to the Liberty 458 and Passport Yachts
5:17 - Introduction to Bob’s Book About Yacht Design
6:13 - Bob Talks: Deck Construction
8:58 - Bob Talks: Interior Layouts
12:29 - Bob Talks: Rigging
14:45 - Bob Talks: Stive Angle (Bet you’ve never heard of that before)
17:25 - Bob Talks: Adding a Bow Thruster
20:00 - Bob Talks: Anchor Lockers
22:27 - Bob Talks: Adding a Hard Dodger
24:24 - Bob Talks: Other Stuff . . .
27:48 - A visit from the Bandits
29:43 - Thank you Bob!
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Do you have a question that you would like to ask Bob Perry? Put it here and we will possibly consider it for an upcoming Yacht Talk Studio Session.
I think it would be brilliant and a huge help to lots of Sailboat Owners if Bob knows anything about how to prevent Termite Destruction of Sailboat Woodwork ? I knew Termites were a problem, as we may have just beaten them in Britain, after 20 years of effort in the County of Devon here in Britain, and seeing a Termite Swarm where Sailing Teulu and Boat Life Boats are in the Caribbean last week, with so many Boats have Termite Restaurants called Plywood on them it Really Brought it home. The Next Sailboat I plan on getting, is Termite Resistant, and may be Termite Proof, as New Island Packet Sailboats have been for a few years now. I'll try to get mine 100% Termite Proof tbh. Not Fun having Plywood Bulkheads etc, Eaten Out from under you. 🤔 Best wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️❤️
@@brownnoise357 I had not put a lot of thought into termites I must be honest. We dont get them in the northwest. You’ve given me some thoughts to “munch” on here …
@@livingforsail I did get very wary of potential Termite issues, during the designing g of a Highly Efficient Timber Frame House, for my friend's Timber Frame manufacturing company, as he had come across an article that confirmed Termites had become established in the English County of Devon. As once they get a foothold, everyone has a Termite Problem, we took the matter very seriously, and every Timber Frame Construction Kit Order, we advised installing the available Termite Membrane which isolates the building from below ground Termite intrusion as Co tact with that membrane kills them. tbh, information on keeping them out of the building above ground, other than using insect screens and Ant infestation type poisons, has been more than a bit lacking. Still is tbh. The procedure that does seem to work is as soon as possible after you know they have got into the oat, is to Seal the boat in a tent, apparently this can be done while it is still in the water, and you Gas Them. Apparently Filling the Boat with CO2 will kill them as well. The other course I think, is to make, every bit of wood on the boat impervious to them getting into it, which could work against Carpenter Ants as well ? Perhaps a help in grasping the Scale of the Problem - and worth Noting, Not enough CO2 in the Atmosphere is the actual problem, not that there is too much - Far and away the Biggest Source of CO2 on this Planet is insects, and the CO2 Champion Insects by Far, are Termites. For perspective, one Termite Mound area in razil, is as large as the British Isles. Me, Travel up the Amazon in a Termite Vulnerable Boat ? Er, I think I'll be bypassing Brazil altogether and next Stop Argentina thanks. I have attempted to alert Sailing Teulu and Sail Life Athena Boats as to the seriousness of being Swarmed with Termites on their Boats, but haven't even had a response, plus had asked them to a,dry all the other Boats where they were, so they could Brainstorm the best course of action. So if Bob Perry Could use his Sources and pass on useful information we can all attempt to Spread, it could help to save potentially large numbers of people's Boats. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍🤔⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Perry thoughts on the sloop versus contemporary solent rig, i.e. second headstay just aft and parallel to the genoa headstay. This differs from his description of a solent rig in Perry on Yacht Design, written in 2008. In simple terms; what is the best way to shorten sail from genoa to storm sails on a moderate, short-handed cruising boat?
We always learn the most from our mistakes. Especially, if their costly one or big ones, those are the ones you don't forget in life.
Amen! 🙏🙏🙌🙌👍👍
Wow!!! Had no idea that Bob was part of the band that wrote the song little Sally walker.. I first heard the song from commander Cody and the lost planet airmen
I’m not sure that they wrote it. I think it’s an old standard but their version was a hit.
That was great! Good to see Bob in his lair!11
Thank you. Good to see you here again! I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
Wow! I just happened across this interview after munching through some of your refit videos and this was a real treat. Thank you.
Great! I’m glad you enjoyed it. I see you’ve been watching most of the catalog today. Much appreciated! 🙏🙏🙌👍
Top notch!!! Bringing in the G.O.A.Ts.!! Thank you so much for taking onboard a legend. This is what distinguishes you from the rest of the sailing channels: Old fashioned maritime class! Keep it up, Captain!
Thank you for your support! I appreciate that a lot. I am very excited to have access to Bob’s experience for this project. He is easily the GOAT in my book for sailboat design. Cheers!!
Fantastic musical selection on this one.
Thanks! I threw in a little classical music for Bob 👍
Very interesting chat with Bob.
Thanks! 🙏 We both have a lot of fun getting together to chat. It’s time for another visit soon.
I have not even finished the video with Bob Perry. PLEASE,PLEASE record more of these interview sessions. When he is gone he is gone. The Same with Walter Shulz with Shannon Boats, Ran-Day interviews him on his Yacht Hunter channel formerly Captain Q,Yacht Hunter. He does a nice job interviewing folks on the east coast. Thanks again. Have you gone over to P.T. to see The Duracell Project? thanks again!
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed this one. We hope to do more of these for sure.
I haven’t been out to visit Duracell yet but hope to soon.
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You talk of a cluttered desk/work bench, Albert Einstein famously quipped, “If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?” I have this above my CLUTTERED desk and the 6 year old twin grand daughters always say Grand pa can we clean up your desk?
I can’t imagine a better way to say that… That’s great! 🙏 haha.
Jet bow thruster sounds fab. Economical to install as well!⚓️👍🇬🇧😎
I think if you take a look at all of the factors including time and maintenance, the upfront cost may make more sense. We will see!
Fascinating. Great interview. More design issues, naval architecture next time. Less systems engineering and garbage placement. Many dock-side trades folks are great at the engineering stuff (pumps, drains, etc.) Very few grok CLP vs COE balance, steering control, waterlines, deadrise affects on speed versus comfort, bow entry angles, etc. Perry is a master at these topics.
Very true. Thanks for the feedback 🙏👍🙌
What a wonderful video! It's SO cool to be able to tap an old pros knowledge and wisdom and the put it to use on your project! An amazing men!!! I was super impressed with the jet system rather than butchering a huge tunnel into the boat, what a great idea! The video was well worth the wait. GREAT JOB!!! I'm hooked on this refit project!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Hi Peter. Thanks for checking out another one of my videos. I really appreciate the continued enthusiasm and support!
I’m with you. Seek out the experience of those that have gone before you!! Also, Bob is just a lot of fun to chat with and has some pretty funny stories. I hope to make some more of these chats as well as full refit videos. Cheers!
You set off in a Ford and arrived in a Honda...truly amazing
Just wait till you see what I do with this boat!! 😳
I'll watch all the Bob Perry you got!
We are hoping to do more chats on a regular basis. Your vote has been received 👍🙌🙏
Ask Bob about another band he played with--bass guitar!--the Springfield Rifle with Jeff Afton on flute and vocals. They played the NW in the late 60s--early 70s. Mostly cover arrangements. Bob was learning boat design on a drafting table in his bedroom. He was definitely a hippie.
That’s great! I’ll have to ask him about that next time. Thanks 🙏
I have just bought a Union 36, always loved his designs. I've been a pro guitar player for 40 years, great to hear he plays!!
Nice. I spent some time looking at a union 36 here in Bellingham. It was a beautiful boat. I think they “borrowed” the design from Bob. I’m sure he has some interesting things to say about that… 😳. Congratulations on the new boat!! 🙌
I for one, am hoping people "find" you...I am learning so much about boats it's amazing! I like that you hit the details that are rarely talked about on those "other channels".... Bob seems like a real character who has a TON of knowledge that he's not afraid to share...so yup, I would love to hear some more from him. Again, your videos have been great to watch and learn from. QUESTION: I know this is probably too early to ask, but do you have a splash date you would like to meet?
Thanks Dave for the continued support. I think in time we will find more people. It will all work out. I'm actually surprised how many people have found the channel so far.
Bob is definitely a character and we would like to make some more chats so stay tuned for that possibly.
I always say that I will splash in two years. I've said that for the last year and will continue to say that until the day she is back in the water! Ha Ha!!
Wow, your last video you used a light saber to finish the work and today you get in your F150 and get out in a compact orange car. That is amazing!!! I may need your help on my RV. LOL
Haha. Yeah. I could probably turn your RV into either broken down Honda element or an old cafe racer motorcycle. Which would you prefer? I was pretty sure a LOT of people would pick up on that and it only took a few minutes.. haha. Hopefully a forgivable editing sin in the end...
@@livingforsail Not a sin, just thought it was VERY clever of you to see how many viewers noticed that you purposely inserted that segment in your video. Actually, I drive my wife crazy when we are watching movies and I notice things like this and make mention. Some are only a split second and I still notice. Great Video, very interesting! Keep them coming...
Lol.
Humble beginnings start with clever transitioning. 😆
@@livingforsail what’s the cafe racer? if you say a Vincent where is the video on that? My 56 (edited) triumph scrabbler build is right behind my boat build.. I’d love to see bob talk more about the one offs/limited runs like night runner and the new carbon cutters.
Just starting watching your series tonight. Your video and audio skills take no second place to your tenacious approach to the refit. Nice, nice work! Thank you.
Hi. Thanks for the feedback and welcome aboard! 🙏👍🙌
Big fan of Bob Boats…
Absolutely! He has created some of the very best!!
Ive always been a fan of those who were decades older than me.. i learned alot doing this
Exactly. Bob has a lot of knowledge to share!
Best Perry interview I’ve seen to date, please do more of them. And by the way, Bob is helping with the design of a hard dodger for our Norseman.🤓.
Thanks for that! We are planning a chat really soon. I’ll tell him you say hi 🤣. Great call to consult with him for the dodger. Who better to help with that than the designer?! I’ll be keen to see what he comes up with for you. 👍
I would love to talk to Bob Perry in person!! Gravest idea to make this episode 👍👍👍
Happy to hear that you enjoyed it Mark. Bob and I have had a few fun chats and I think we will make a few more of these
Great video, I always love hanging out with Bob in his studio! Thanks for sharing
It’s a very cool studio. Stories everywhere you look… 😳. Thanks for the feedback. 👍🙏🙌
I meant great idea 😮I want to get that book too!
It’s a good read. Highly recommended. There a link in the description and Bob is happy to sign them if you mail them to his office with a self addressed return mailer and a Brief description of who you are so he can personalize it a bit.
It's so wonderful that Bob Perry is so accessible to buyers of boats he was paid for 40 something years ago. He's an American treasure.
I agree with that sentiment 100%. From your handle I would guess that you're the owner of a VERY NICE Tayana 37? Just a wild hunch... How'd I do?
@@livingforsail No, I'm looking for just the right Passport 40. Perry designed, more modern, easier driven hull, gorgeous Taiwanese teak interior, and a square transoms. Hard to beat combination of tradeoffs. Perry's accessibility seals the deal.Tashiba 36 second choice.
@@redshifttrucking4537 well there you go. There is a beautiful Tayana 37 out there named “redshift”. It was on the Perry forum the other day.
The passport 40 is an awesome boat and it was on my short list too. Good luck with the search!!
Yeah, his consultation costs $$$ or more... I remember reading that he didn't like double ender design but built them for the demand... (cultists). I concur because how many people need a ggr boat to sail the southern latitudes??? I prefer a lighter, faster, less expensive vessel that gets me to shallow anchorages to enjoy life in far away places...
this was a very interesting video - would love some more
Thanks for the feedback!
More like these, please. I like the way you reveal some of the engineering theory rather than just say, "Do it like this." Thanks.
Hi. Thanks for the feedback. We will have some more Bob chats coming up soon! Cheers.
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My first refit was a Bob Perry design Aloha 8.2 built by Ouyang Boat works. You have the best advice you can get right in your own backyard.
I have been a big fan of Bob's work for a long time. It was cool to figure out that his office is not that far from the boat shed!
Genuinely engaging and fun to listen to. Who cares if I know my bow thruster from my vang. To hear someone like Bob talk about his craft and for you to be able to engage in a way that was both elucidating and interested, made for a fascinating back and forth. thanks for this one
Jake, thanks for watching. I’m glad that you enjoyed the chat. It was genuinely a pleasure to make this one. Thank you also for teaching me a new word! So there you go… we all learned something new with this one!
Yes, more about design and about the interplay of refit and design!
Thanks for the feedback. I think it’s an important part of the discussion. Bob has designed a LOT of great boats and I happen to be a big fan of his designs 🙌
Congo. Loving the channel.
Thanks Jason, I appreciate that!!
Great interview with the Maestro! Excellent questions, and some of the answers may find their way into my own "Bob boat,' a Baba 35 PH. Good to hear Bob telling the story of "The Bandits." He earned his way through college with that band.
Thank you very much. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I had no idea about that band and now that song is stuck in my head! Haha!!
If I didn’t know a single thing else about him, the fact that he has a sea foam green Fender P-bass (with rosewood fretboard, no less!!) in his office tells me all I need to know.
#kindredspirit
Right?! I was pretty amazed walking in there for the first time.
The coresell was a good information. I did not know about that. Looking forward to seeing how you use G10? for heavy loaded areas like the windlass.
I’ve been using g10 under the staysail fitting and desired to use Coosa under the windlass with Ruth g10 or thickened epoxy tubes to help with compression at the mounting bolts. You can see the installation plan and how it’s going on my recent videos. Thanks for watching! 👍🙏
John, catching up on your build episodes...wow, Robert Perry, that was a great interview! Looking forward to seeing what you do with your boat. BTW, I like the bow thruster idea.
Thank you! 🙏. Welcome to the channel. Bob and I will have a few more chats coming up soon. I appreciate feedback! 🙌
G day John , I loved this episode, Thanks for introducing Bob to us. Man, what a cool guy ,so much knowledge there. Great guy to have on board to get the goods on Antidote..Bob rocks....literally .Cheers, mate.
Thank you! It has been great getting to know Bob over the last while. Lots of knowledge to tap into there, and plenty of great stories. Cheers!! 👍
@livingforsail No worries, John. Mate, I wish I could lend a hand. West Oz is a bit far away.....ATM ;)
Great episode! Three out of 5 of my "finalist boats" when I was buying were Bob Perry designs. I ended up with a Thomas Gillmer designed boat, but I'd have been happy with any of the Perry designs.
Thank you Mark!
I think if you look at any reputable list of solid-quality sailboats it would have a few Bob Perry designs. I am a big fan of John Kretschmer and he has a list of good boats for crossing oceans in one of his books. There are 3 or 4 Perry boats in there (for good reason!)
My Sadler 26 has drain holes in the anchor locker and they work perfect, I mean it's above the water line so always empties even if some goes in. The Vetus bow thrusters are a game changer in my opinion.
Thanks for the input. I wonder if you might know how high above the static waterline are your drain(s)? Are they on the side?
That was great, thoroughly enjoyed that chat. I wonder what was wrong with the design of the steel boat the ex footballer was going to build?
Glad that you enjoyed it. 🙏 And great question!
Great video. Thanks for doing this. It was nice to see Bob in that environment. I've never met him, but always thought he was a bit of a curmudgeon by reading a lot of his posts on Sailing Anarchy. My opinion has changed! LOL. And I have his book on design. It's fun/interesting to calculate all the metrics for you own boat and compare to the ones in his book.
Some perspective on the chain locker. My Hylas 46 has the water tight chain locker with drains. I have a couple stainless steel clam shells about a foot up from the waterline. I've never had any issues with them and the locker stays dry. I'm sure in heavy seas, some water gets in there but it's not a concern to me as I know they'll drain eventually. You know how bilge pumps are. They are in constant need of maintenance at best. And you'll always have some water in that bilge you create.
Also, I replaced my 3/8" BBB chain last year with 5/16" G4. The 3/8" was in bad shape and I only had 140 feet of it. (bought it that way). I now have 300 feet of the 5/16". I wanted 300 feet and the 5/16" reduced the weight by 175 lbs compared to 3/8". It has a higher working load limit than the BBB, so I felt is was an upgrade in that department. And takes up less space which could be beneficial to you. Of course, you'll have to replace the chainwheel on the windlass, but that's an easy job.
I'm curious why Bob is leaning towards swept back spreaders. At least it seemed that way in the video. They definitely reduce downwind sailing capabilities and he still felt running back stays would be a good idea. I'm probably missing something.
Thanks again the video. I know that 30 minutes required several hours of editing.
Hi Chris, I'm glad that you liked the video, and thank you for all of the good input/perspective.
Bob is pretty straight to the point without a lot of time for BS. He is a really great guy with a well calibrated sense of humor!
Nothing is in stone yet on the project so I appreciate the feedback about the locker. I can see pros and cons to both approaches. Technically I rely on a bilge pump already to do the job but I will have 2-3 pumps to handle the bilge versus 1 (maybe 2 just in case) at the anchor locker. I was thinking that I might also keep the hole in the bulkhead with a valve located there so that I could release accumulate water into the bilge in a situation where the pump failed and I needed the water out...
Cheers!
Great interview. Might I suggest to keep the number of camera angles down a little? Right now it's quite nervous to watch.
Thank you for watching and for your feedback! 🙏
I’m not a prophet nor do I play one on tv but I see this channel being a success. Actually, upon some thought, I’m not really sure what success means. A certain number of subs reached? That can’t be because quality is independent #ofsubs. Well, you know what I’m getting at. Great chat with a fascinating character. I need a sailboat so I can apply this information I’m hoarding.
Haha! Thank you for the vote of confidence! I would feel better if you WERE a prophet, but I’ll take what I can get! Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers.
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Canvas and materials have come far in the dodger world. I wouldn't rule it out.
Point taken. Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate that perspective. 👍
great video with Bob! If you make another, I'd love to know what areas of my newly acquired '77 Baba 30 he would recommend changing or pay special attention to. Also it seems to sit in the water a little bow heavy; is that normal? Thanks!
Thank you! 🙏
You will probably be interested in the “Robert Perry Fan Club” on Facebook. Bob moderates the group and will very likely be interested to answer your questions. So, there you go!!
Good luck. 👍🙌
Will you be holding down the foam for the core, and tops with vacuum to enable a tight bond?
I will try to get that worked out, yes! 👍🙌
Loving your video style mate, keep them coming! I’d be curious for a question to be(selfishly for my small boat): What are some intelligent design changes that can “create space” in these older boats? I’m doing my darndest to make spaces not for a single task like a head.
Thanks Cameron! I appreciate the feedback and the question. Remind me what boat you are working with again? It is a Bristol 30 if I recall... Good question.
@@livingforsail Bristol 35.5
@@camsail see, just like that I created an extra 5.5 feet of space!
@@livingforsail haha you definitely the power of the force
When do you draw the line between reinventing the boat and going sailing???
Between reinventing the boat and going sailing I don't have a lot of time for drawing lines.
Thanks for that, was interested to hear that Foam core for Decks is ok. The one Named is the one used with the Island Packet that God Willing, will be my Next Sailboat with a Hard Dodger and a Hard Aft Cockpit Arch for Solar Panels and Davits, as it will be a Liveaboard. Desperately Trying to get around the need for a Built in Generator at the moment. I'm thinking that 1200 ah of high quality AGM Batteries should manage what's needed okay as that will allow up to 240 anps use between juice going back in, to keep apacity above 80% so the Recharge Cycles Flatline at 3500 Cycles and never fall = minimum 20 years Service Life for the Batteries barring accidents. Lifepo4 look to be a struggle to grt to last for over 10 years, and that isn't acceptable, for me anyway. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Although I don’t have first hand experience with lifepo4 batteries in a boat, they have a higher useable capacity and should last for more charge/discharge cycles compared to AGM. I haven’t read any reports of them not lasting 10 years. Like all things, they need to be operated and maintained correctly to give you the longest possible service life.
I am of a similar opinion that I want to avoid dependence on a generator at all cost.
@@livingforsail Instead of a Generator, and to assist the AGM Housebank I was thinking of getting one of those Bluetti Lifepo4 Power Stations But Clark of Emily and Clark suggested say 600ah of Lifepo4 with a Battery Bank Manager that he makes, which will ensure they are Charhed and Maintained properly, and a Switchover to draw from them at night, to help keep the AGM Bank at over 80% state of Charge, and have another 3,000 watt inverter to switch that Bank o er to. Clark reckons his Bank Manager should be able to get Lifepo4 Batteries to 10 years without difficulty. I'd love to try getting them to 15 years tbh, as at 15 years the Cost per year is dropping Nicely. Aby excuse to Test Stuff tbh. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob in Wales still Landlocked. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️❤️
When I asked he said $500 to ask (12 years ago)
But mahogany is rot resistant which is why your decks didn't have the look and feel of a core that was that wet for that many years
External glass carbon chain plates.
I don’t think so for this build… it’s a classic boat and I want to pay some respect to that aesthetic.
I’ll think about it … 🤔
@@livingforsail No holes in the hull, no crevice corrosion, no leaks, and many kg lighter. Synthetic rigging, less weight aloft.
@@dan2304all really great points and the benefits are not lost on me. I will give it some serious consideration.
You got in a Ford and got out of a Honda!
You know, probably nine out ten boats aren't suitable for the average Dutchman. Basically they are too tall. I'm just 1.80 that is about 3cm of the average, and even I had to increase the height of the kitchen in my house let alone the the galley. It becomes tiresome when you like to cook... and on a passage when some good food is essential, your galley becomes more important.
Headroom is a “must have” for a live aboard! I’m 6’0” (or 183 as you prefer 😉) and have pretty good headroom in the boat.
I’ve spent some time in the Netherlands and there are a lot of tall folks walking around!
Was more talking about the counter height, most of us can't cook because the stove is to low. You would know, at six feet, most Americans kitchens are too low because they still build them at the female average height of 5'4 😉 and my former wife couldn't cope with that either, hence I had to change that too. She was 5'8