That vessel has your name ALL over it ! Buy it do the refit yourself and charter it to the Caribians have it paid for in 3 to 5 years then Sail the world full time , oh ya i was talking like im young enough to do it ! But grab the oppertunity by the Chest hairs and do it !
Hahahah Thanks Dave! Well, we’re on a limited budget since my house didn’t sell for what we thought it would so our boat budget has definitely dwindled a bit. We’d like to run overnight charters, since Hal has been in the charter industry his entire life as a fishing guide and I spent my years working on boats and yachts and have training in silver service and such. We’d love a boat this size with at least one double berth up forward for couples, but something we can also raise a family on on day. (Sooner than later, I’m 36!) who knows what we’ll end up with! Feel free to subscribe and find out with us! Haha
Thank you for that! Yes, ideally I’d like a Formosa 51 or a Force 50, and we’ve already considered two different Mikelson 50’s (we may do a video on one even if we don’t buy it) and honestly, the smaller Taiwan builds won’t suit our needs for chartering, and even on the models mentioned, it would have to be the right berthing setup. We both come from a history of working on boats in different capacities and aren’t afraid of a project, fiberglass work, woodwork, etc. These are things we can do, just maybe not professionally. Hal is also very mechanically skilled so that is the part that I really appreciate because while I can play with things and sometimes fix a mechanical issue, I’m not a mechanic so I wouldn’t do that with my engine or generator like he can. We hope you stick with us!!!
Wonderful positive attitude it’s great !!When you’re thinking about buying a boat and you’re ready to go , just buy it and follow your heart. You need to be able to physically work which most people these days are reluctant to do. You have to love it and be positive . I like working on boats doing the dirty work covered in dust in a boatyard , grimy and tired but it’s not for everyone and my wife can only take it for a month at a time .That boat will be much slower than a newer production yacht it’s heavier, but they’re such a pretty thing.I’ve been a cruiser for three years in australia , what is important for us is to examine each system individually test and cost for any needed repair and maintenance to get that part running at 100percent. Start with through hulls and antifoul first , then steering then engine/gearbox/shaft/prop then clean tanks no leaks then batteries . It’s systematic and you can’t go wrong . When your happy with those it’s standing rig, sails, anchor winch, chain and anchor. Leave the woodwork and cosmetics because they’re the pleasure jobs . But it’s not my business to advise, this is just what worked for us. wish you luck . Oh and a new outboard for a good dinghy will save you from hours of rowing in the rain and wind and waves with wet groceries and clothes and a sad and unhappy wife. Oh by the way the only new engine for a boat is called YANMAR because they will save your life. The old other brand diesels will teach you all you need to know about being a diesel mechanic. When we wanted anitfoul we buy it from the commercial fishing boat yard, not the recreational boat supplier. It’s cheaper and lasts longer .
Hey John, Thanks for that! Yep, luckily we’ve both done our share of hard dirty work on boats and mostly Hal is super handy on mechanics so we have that going for us, at least. If we didn’t, we’d never be able to make it happen. That’s for certain! I do hope you subscribe and stick around!
Love the Forms 51, Hudson Force 50, Vagabond 47, and this one is VERY interesting. But - what is comfortable at anchor is not necessarily comfortable at sea, and the TC 54 looks voluminous inside, but that could be quite a hazard in a heavy seaway, nothing to hold on to with your hip while your hands are full. She certainly has an interesting layout with those pullman berths - I suppose they could have a slide out base to make them wider as required for sleeping. Would certainly like to see more Taiwan builds - love them..!!
Thank you!! I love them too. When I was filming, Hal was sitting over on the Setee ignoring my rant, and when I was done, he told me I had gone too far, ranted too much, I was going to bore everyone to death. hahah The first day the video was up was slow and he said "I think this is just a bad, boring video, you talked too much...." and then the views started shooting up and now we've gained well over 350 new subscribers, and it pushed us over the edge for monetization with UA-cam and we have the new features, and we have our viewers to thank for that! But I kept telling him, that I might be a 36 year old lady with the interests of a 65 year old man, but there are plenty of people out there who love this stuff as much as I do! hahahah Point proven. You are totally right about the interior. It's honestly not my favorite layout, and I'm much more a fan of the Formosa 51 or Vagabond 47, Bill Garden layouts. We're looking strongly at a Mikelson 50, only 18 built, and its a can of worms. We will see what plays out with it. It's beautiful, though. I'm really glad to know that you and these other guys want to see more Taiwan builds!!! I'll do what I can! I believe we're planning to go live tonight at 9pm EST (6pm PST) on youtube. We haven't gone live here before so we will see how it goes. We'll be talking about what we've seen and what we want. We hope you subscribe and join us!
Captain Hal & Lovely Siren, Thanks a lot for doing my shopping for me! Hal, you said it all when you stated: "I have room in this boat"! I get it, as I lifted too much weight for too many years, and my shoulders just don't fit into boats, airline seats, or cars built for people 5'10" or less! Hell, my claustrophobia starts up just viewing a video of a sailboat with cut down doorways, so low ceilings, clearances, or passages won't work for me. To make things worse, I'm trying to find a sailboat that my 6'8" youngest son will fit into, and my precious wife is not going to live with a wet head, cramped kitchen, no washer, or submarine feel down below... I've been shopping for a suitable sailboat for two years now, and can't shake the fever, despite having multiple boats already on the hard in my one of my yards. 😂
Thank you girls!!!!! Can’t believe it happened literally overnight. This was another one of those weird videos that did well for no apparent reason. Hahah oh well, it worked! That you for your love and support!!!!
We had this boat...1975, "MERRYALL" aft cockpit which is rare apparently. The freeboard of this boat made motoring [and especially reverse] a nightmare in heavier air. Having said that, we shared space and adventures aplenty. The boat was bought in Taiwan and shipped to Newark. We sailed out of Westport, Saugatuck harbor to destinations in the NE. So comfortable underway! In those days we had Loran c and used the paper charts as backup. It took 3 to navigate in questionable water or at night. One on the bowsprit, One steering, and one on the chart. That was our system anyway. My dad preferred the look of the aft cockpit but it was impossible to actually see from the wheel over the massive bowsprit! This also made configuration below a little different too. We did look at probably 30 boats [all with some water damage] which prompted the purchase of the new one. It did have the spruce masts which lent even more authentic retro pirateship vibe and it was an attention grabber wherever we anchored. We were able to sail easily and balance with genny and mizzen...mainsail was a big commitment. Looking hard is really important. Every boat is uniquely rigged, powered and fitted out. Many things will be discovered even when you think you know her well.
Love those spruce masts. Thanks for for comment. Have you subscribed?! We have a new video out of one we CAN afford to buy, but overhauling the damned thing is another story. How was the interior layout of the aft cockpit?
We have a Formosa 56 1986, love her to the limit, We have been cruising for over 18 years. We have done many refits in the past, including new teak deck laid up in Trinidad, currently hauled in Grenada for a long list of projects. i agree with your addiction to these old beauties...sail on, lovin watching your videos. Autie and Janie s/v Onward
Thank you!!! We’re so glad to have you around here. Did you go with real teak?? And where did you have it done and what did it cost? We got some rough estimates and the price of teak is so high right now. Looked at Flexiteek too, which isn’t real teak but it looks pretty nice, actually. Better than the other knock-offs. Even still, it’s not cheap!
We did real teak in Chagaramas @ Power Boats Trinidad that was 2015. She was in a barn for over 8 months. It cost 30k+. it was worth it to us a fantastic job, no screws. Sail on!@@TheSirensLog
@@janiemcvicker739 Oh that’s totally doable!! The price of teal has gone up so much now. Still maybe cheaper down there. I got a quote on a teal deck with installation here on a 42’ Vagabond (and we are most likely going much larger) and it was over $100k. 😫 That’s why we started considering the Flexiteek but even that is still like $70k on the 42. Might have to hold off until teak prices drop.
I chartered a CT56 from CSY Charters in Road Town BVI twice. We had a party of 6 and accommodation wise is was great. The charter company had cut the aspect of the sails so that Bareboat charterers wouldn’t over power the rig. Because of the experience of 3 0f the 6 people on-board that was probably good. I am a very experienced skipper and we had a wonderful time. My feelings were the boat was solid and didn’t creek and groan. There is one hell of allot of work to do and really time and wallet consuming. I have a small power boat for fishing now. However, I’m in my 70’s. Good luck. I’m following you.
Thank you so much for the follow and the comment Robert! I really appreciate that. I understand the work and dedication the boat will need. No doubt. In a string of negative comments about how I can’t charter a Leaky Teaky, your comment is appreciated. Hahah That’s good to know!!!
@@TheSirensLog I chartered my tayana 37 a bunch of times in indonesia. It depends on youre activity too. I was doing surf charters. Private surf safari. So tbe boat was never the issue. Everyone loves a leaky teaky. It brings out there pirate dreams I could have had a charter every day. But there not easy to live with others on a small boat tbats youre home. Go big and keep tbe act cabin as youre cabin. So you always have youre space. And youre things.
@@evinwhiteson4902 That’s exactly what I keep thinking. Hal disagrees and says that we “have” to give them the aft cabin but I disagree. I want my space and my aft cabin and my things. If I’m living on the boat, that’s my home and my room and my things. He sees it as they’re chartering the boat so they get the aft cabin and we just move our things back and forth and I’m just not feeling that. I’d rather do a Formosa 51 with a really nice forward cabin setup with a nice double berth (I’ve seen beautiful ones!) and do a couples charter. I don’t want to prioritize having more people on the boat. Two is perfect. And couples will pay more than singles, I think, so having one big berth is better than bunks, I think. We argue about that one single thing a lot.
@@TheSirensLog The aft cabin is key to always having youre own space in my opinion . When you have guests you need some distance.. My experience with charters its very hard to get rest if you dont have youre own space. Youre own bed . Besides who wants a bunch of strangers sleeping in there bed.
If you have the energy to do the work, that is an awesome boat. The space and headroom are for living in, and that is what you are going to do the most. You have to stop looking and buy something one day, why not today.
You’re not wrong! We just have to stick within our budget and this one is just a bit too much for us with all the things we’d need to do before we start chartering it. We’ll be looking! Subscribe and follow along! We’d love to have you!
Wow, Siren. Great history lesson about Perry, impressed with your knowledge and you surprise me as I go through the videos. I agree about looking past the visual as seen. Need to check the "bones" of the boat. If it is just a topical damage issue and the foundation (bones) are solid, no harm no foul. Hal's requirement is solid. I am not that tall but have wide shoulders and dislike having to twist and turn to go through a doorways. 2 more videos then I'm caught up. Have a great day !
Hahaha wow!!! Thank you! Yeah I agree with him. I’d be buying the boat for us, but he is going to be a big part of the maintenance so it’ll be his boat too, and I want him to love it so it’s important to me that whatever we get, be both love and care for it. I need him in this as much as he needs me! Hahah
Really enjoyed the walkthrough and history lesson. I just took ownership of a 1977 CT 38 (non Warwick) and love seeing the other boats that came out of the Taiwanese shipyards.
It's just out of our budget, and I know that even that one will need work. They don't tell all in the listing! hahaha We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!
Thanks Dan! Yeah, I have no fear of projects, just a fear of running out of money before j can get them all done. Lol. We hope you subscribe and stick around!
Hey! That dance hall main salon is nice @ dock-side. Yet @ sea, I wonder how many passengers suddenly found themselves @ port when a moment ago they'd been standing @ starboard. Also, saw some 90-degree corners I'd definitely round-off. A 40-year old house demands lots of work. A sailing vessel demands even more.
I love your channel! I have a yacht skipper's license for 30 years now, so that dates me :-) Regarding surveys (I saw it discussed below) in 1960 my dad bought a new H-28 (L. Frances Herreschoff design built in Japan). He insisted on having it surveyed - new. The broker was livid, but my dad has his way. In the end the boat was full of problems which got fixed. Go figure...
Hahahah THAT is exactly what we keep saying!! We get all these comments of people saying we’re too picky and we need to buy a new boat. No! Hahah New boats come with problems too!! I’d rather have an old boat and do the work. All boats will have issues, just try to be reasonable and pick your issues as best as you can. That’s the way I see it. Buying a new boat doesn’t mean you won’t have maintenance!! Haha Good on your Pa!
Get the biggest one a 56 I thought about getting one a while ago and the real problem was not the decks that all need replacement it is the lamination schedule of the bottom summertime or wintertime I think winter would have been better but if you have done some grinding of glass on the bottom of a hull literally there could be a million osmotic blisters on any of them so if your going to buy owner pays for haulout to see the bottom that's when negotiating comes into play
Yeah we’re having that issue now with another boat we’re looking at, a Mikelson 50. Tiny little blisters across the entire hull. Luckily it’s already on the hard so we knew that first thing. That’s the single biggest job we’d have on that boat if we bought it. Really still deciding if that’s something we’d want to tackle, and if so, how much would we even want to pay for the boat knowing that needs to be done. Errr. We can do the work ourselves, at least. I’m also a broker so I do have good access to seeing what’s available, so I’m hoping the right boat magically pops up for a good price before next spring.
I used to broker wooden boats and my best freind was the best surveyor on the west coast in the last 30 years remember osmotic blistering can happen on any fiberglass boat anything bigger then a quarter grind away re glass but if you are looking at a million little blisters I probably would walk away unless you want to re glass the entire bottom
Thanks for that advice. Yeah, that was my way of thinking. If we were to buy it, we’d want to deal with it immediately while it’s out of the water and needs paint. But it would have to be a sweet deal.
@TheSirensLog so my friend wanted a big old Hatteras broker wanted 120,000 for a boat that was chained to the dock slip fees unpaid sure start the engine forward reverse on good old detroit diesels wrote a 3 page letter to the broker with prices to bring the boat up to any standard we talked the broker and owner down 60,000 not only that but broker said nicest survey I have seen in my time working for the brokerage
You should see the videos we did on the Mikelson. That boat isn’t nearly as bad as everyone said it was. It’s listed at $139k now but you can totally make a lower offer and get it. Last I heard, they wanted it gone. I guess the bank finally reached that point with it- unfortunately that was after we decided we weren’t taking it. Its a little project but with some TLC, could be a fantastic boat again. If you want to see it let me know. It’s through our brokerage and it’s right up the street.
Still looking for one of those with the Original wooden wheel house, I found one then it disappeared Poof and gone. Hal you are a lucky man with such a pretty and smart sea wife.
Yeah I’ve seen a few. I was watching one out in the Pacific Northwest last year called Chalupa and some guy bought it and I read in a forum somewhere he said the boat was a lot worse than the listing let on. I’d love to have that as well, but it looks like we’d have to build it. I saw on UA-cam hundreds of videos of people building them themselves! And thank you for the compliment! ❤️ Subscribe and stick around!
@@TheSirensLog Do you know of the rebuilt one in Washington state inside a barn? The Widow is selling it her husband was an A#1 shipwright. 80k if I remember right, it too was missing the wheelhouse. I am Like Hal Tall, Mechanic etc. and OLDER so I do not want to spend years on a refit or build. I am most interested in a Zero Gravity Galactic cruiser for a ship they are Very capable and are submersible. lol
Hey You're right! Green Cove Springs always has good deals. I just sold my property in Palatka (1915 Historic home, so yeah. I'm looking for a new can of worms lol) and I'm played with the idea of looking for property around Green Cove Springs because I'm a broker and that's a decent little area. There isn't anything there I want in the MLS, but that's not to say there isn't something sitting at a dock somewhere without a price tag on it.
Yeah, Green Cove and St Aug tend to be like that. lol We have to get over to Jacksonville soon to pick up one of my VW busses and drop another off with the mechanic at Hilltop, and we may stop through Green Cove and poke around. @@douglasperkins7592
Cape George boatyard and Skookum Marine, both in Port Townsend, Washington likely built the strongest cruisers ever, and not prone to leaking- no shortcuts were taken. These little ships are fantastic though only Cape George still survives. today. Building a great boat and making profit on a great boat are two different things. Both are built for oceans- go anywhere boats. If you see a Skookum on the East coast, be sure to take a look.
@@TheSirensLog I have occasionally seen them for sale on the East coast, a very nice one was for sale in the UK...right now, there are 2 or 3 for sale on the West coast. They are so strong, they are sometimes used as commercial fishing sailboats.
i cruised sea tigers for years. solid and honest. i share your love for them and if i went back to cruising it would be the only boat id consider, (except for a swan). thanks for the back story and passion. fair winds, k
Older boats comes with a pricetag, pending on how much work a owner have to do on it. Doesn´t matter how tall one are and what comforts the boat comes with, its all about if a prospector are up for the task of doing the work. Lots of wood have 6 times more worktime and constant maintenance. due to varnishing and such. Protip: Dont be overambitious. Its a lovely boat by design. Especially the stern. Buying a boat should mostly be, did you fall in love in it? and be realistic at the same time.
Couldn’t agree more. I firmly believe you should always buy a boat based on feel. As a broker, I encourage all of my potential buyers to do the same. Fortunately this has been a long-time goal and the perfect set-up for us has been being narrowed over the last 15 years of deciding what the “forever boat” would be. We’re at a point of finding it now, and we know what we want, and we know what we’re up against. These builds are a huge commitment. We will be using the boat as a home, as well as a charter business, so it will consume us and will be our priority. We’re fortunate in that sense, being on top of the work. We can’t afford for it to be a $100k toy, so we have no option but to make it a business and home together. My house is sold, and Hal’s house is where we live, so we aren’t waffies looking for a cheap way to live- more that we’d prefer to. But you’re right! The boat we choose will be high maintenance! We’re capable of most everything we’d need to do to it, so we’re lucky!
@@TheSirensLogwont make it, due to 3am i 9pm EST, for me, GMT+1 Stockholm time. I´am probably asleep, and got work tomorrow. Maybe another time. I´ll catch up later, and may write a comment or two.
My 2 cents worth. I have a perry ct 37 also known as tayana 1977. For 20 years. Put 100,000 miles on it and 4 refits over 20 years. Solid boat but a lot of teak and a lot of dry rot in bulkheads and anything not teak. Was my experience and all stainless is total crap. But woodwork not a issue if you can do a bit of grinding fiberglass and epoxy A boat this size is awesome. But first thing put a brand new yanmar 170 hp before it goes anywhere . Cause 40 year old diesels will let you down in a big way. These boats sail great down wind in the tradewinds. 200 mile days there heavy and seakindly. But outside the trades youre motorsailing. Also needs new chainplates and rigging and sails. You talking about 45,000 if you do the work. 55,000 if youre hire it out. These are really dreamy boats that spark sailing dreams. But there a lot of work I would go for it if in budget. As long as you know the leaky teaky history as you do.
Oh I do.. and I understand the work involved. Thank you! You’re right about the engine. This one is going to be a little out of our budget with what all it needs, but we’re happy to have a little project on our hands. We know it’ll always be a project, but we’d be dedicated to the boat as a home and business so there’s no issue there. And oddly, I enjoy brightwork. I’m sure I’ll change my mind when I’m sanding down the entire interior of a 51’ Taiwan build but….. hahahah We hope you subscribed! This will be interesting regardless. Hahab
@@TheSirensLog i did sub. sounds like you guys have a plan and a leaky teaky is what youre after. Thats the thing about buying a classic. There full of character. There beautifull. From a era of discovery Try to stick with aluminum spars. I had a 1969 mariner 32 and spruce masts. A ketch. Beautifull and varnished . Aluminum is far more desirable from a maintenace perspective. Good luck
You're right! The spruce is gorgeous, and there's one in Italy we have been watching hard since 2019, and now it has been sitting and it leaking and rotten everywhere. That one has spruce, and I can't say I wouldn't do it, because we looked at a Formosa 41 and had considered working on those masts (they only wanted like $13k for the boat) but if I can find the right boat with aluminum, I know we'd be better off. We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!@@evinwhiteson4902
Hi i am over in the UK where do i go to see this boat. I have found it being advertised by EDWARDS but it is out of the water with them, it was also last seen in Panama. It has been found by you, more info please. regards Jim
Ahhh I bet it’s lovely! That’s well out of our budget though. We’ve got to try to stay under $100k, and even then, we’re pushing not having the extra money to do big jobs on it. It is possible to find these boats in ready-to-go shape for under $100k, and we’re definitely open to other builds. Thanks for the heads up on that one in Newport though!
I see. I saw another boat more close by and with the perfect booze seats. Just kidding, but oozing with charm. Recent engine, Robert Bruce Modified Spray. On Yachtworld again. I subbed today, love the channel 😘 @@TheSirensLog In Charleston 🙂
Hahahaha That's totally an ongoing thing in a LOT of our episodes too. So I think I get more and more frustrated every time it happens when I'm filming. lol
ALSO have you thought about getting onto the boat from your dingy? or getting into the water or your dingy from the boat? It's is very hard and problematic. This is why serious cruising monohulls have gone to different transoms allowing easy boarding and exiting. You will rue the day you had one of these when you are anchored somewhere and you note how easy others board and disembark their boats. This is a far bigger deal than you imagine when cruising.
Oh yeah, definitely have. I’ve lived on the hook as well and I can attest that’s a tricky one. That’s one thing we’ve brainstormed ideas for because we are also surfers and divers, and while getting in and out of the boat empty handed is hard, it’s even worse when you’re holding a 9’2” surfboard that is as fragile as an egg.
My wife and I bought a Hudson Force Ketch 50 . Very similar built-in 87 . We got so screwed. We didn't get a survey. We should have. But we were new to boats and was befriended by the previous owner . It was well painted and problems hidden. The survivor was a friend of the own and gave us a survey that wasn't right. It had hidden termites. That they hid well we bought it mainly because It had a brand new 125 hp yanmar a brand new suitcase 10k Panda generator. Brand-new. Fuel polishing system New fuel tanks 300 gall new 100 gallon water tanks . . Now we feel like suckers . It's got new rigging standing and running and sails . I still would love to finish it up and cruise the globe
Ahhh man. Yeah. Those are pretty boats and we keep an eye out for them as well. I’m a broker and always advise everyone to get a survey no matter what! Luckily, we have a new survey on this boat, plus we’ve been watching it for months and saw it before they painted the bottom. Really serious electrolysis issue. They put a new prop on which “hides” that issue, but we’re fully aware of it. We saw the old zincs too. Nice that they changed that stuff out but… we’re in the shipyard a lot so we see!! Sorry about your termites! Sounds crazy. But at least it’s a big pretty boat and once you have it all under control, you have something really nice. Sounds like yours had a lot going for it too! All that new stuff is a lot less headache on you. There will always be unknown problems in ANY boat so… you just pay the least you can get away with and cross your fingers. Hahaha The projects will always be there no matter how nice the boat is. I hope you guys go cruising!!! Please subscribe and stick around!
Dewayne - we DID get a survey on the 52' boat we bought - a surveyor that the broker recommended. We also got SO SCREWED - the surveyor was either incompetent or corrupt - and he glowed over the boat, either missing or covering up every kind of ill you can imagine. Too late, I learned that when dealing with brokers, you ask them which surveyor they recommend - then choose someone else. There are a lot of poor marine surveyors out there, so even if you had the Hudson inspected, they might have provided a passing survey. Best of luck finishing up projects on the Hudson - when done you should have a wonderful cruising boat.
Well I AM a broker and it is totally illegal for the broker to recommend a surveyor! When people ask me who they should use, I politely tell them that I can not legally make a recommendation and that they can easily google surveyors and most our surveyors around here and good. They all have some weird surveys here and there, but overall, none are “bad”. The fact they recommended someone is a red flag.
CT54's are cool boats. Our friends have one and we spent time aboard in Mexico. I just see so many projects on this boat, and when I see one project, there are 5 more hidden right behind it. Everything will be more expensive on a bigger boat. We sailed away on our Lord Nelson 35 (another Taiwanese boat similar to a Hans Christian) and everything cost us less to refit. For us, a smaller boat was right. We don't have to charter, which, for me, I see as a major headache. Our boat is our home and our sanctuary, and it would be a pain for us to have as a floating hotel, catering to others who don't understand how to conserve water and clog our head.
Hahaha You’re right! Chartering is a headache. I worked yachts for years and in that world it’s the crew who has to take 20 second showers, not the guests, hahah but the beach ache remains!! I just sold my historic home which was very much like an old boat. You’d rip into one thing and…. Oh my goodness. You couldn’t change a shower head in that house without having to tear out the whole wall to replace the plumbing and put new drywall and tile back up, basically. Everything in the house felt like that, and these boats are very much the same. I share your way of thinking that a bigger boat is heaps more expensive to own and maintain, which is why if we’re looking at the 50’ range, we have to charter it seasonally. We may not even need to run charters full time, just enough to get some money in the bank to help upkeep the boat. I’m also a broker and Hal is a fishing guide, so we we will see how these things work out in the end. We also want something big enough to be able to raise a small family on one day. We’re looking for the forever boat. It’s a huge commitment, but we’ve been planning for years so it’s time. I agree that if we decide not to run overnight charters, we may go back to 37-44’ range. I would like to be as small as we can, while also being a comfortable home. Thank you for your comment! We hope you subscribe and stick around with us!
Big boat, grt space.....but u guys arnt playing with a full deck if u think its worth buying. Fair dinkum. Yah nuts? And big fella, after a yr on board, youll know y there ain't large, open spaces down below. Segway too....what r u grabbing onto when that squall hits, which 100% will happen. Plus, u guys need couples counselling. Bugger me. Id put a fiver down that your voyage is short, sweet and tempered😂. No, i wouldnt put a buck down to buy it. But i gotta sub and follow u. Front row seats to this, cant miss that. Good luck and enjoy t journeyl 🤙
Thank you for this comment. 😂 To be fair, we’ve been close friends since we were little kids and we’ve been together for 3, and we’re old, so we’re used to giving each other hell. Lol we’ve been at it a long time. And you’re right about the open spaces! I’m on your team with that! We’re not buying this one. Our budget has shrank since the initial plan but we will get something and it will be amazing. Whatever it is. Hahaha Thanks for subscribing! Happy to have you around to give us hell.
Dude, thats funny. But...took me 5 sec to think, I like this man. Way too many feminised men on this planet Jeff, he ain't one of em! He reminds me of heaps of Texan men I met who could fix anything. Have a fight with, and a nice cold beer after.
When you look past the beautiful and generous use of teak, you have a boat that is much like the expression: a hole in the water you pour your money". All the stainless on boats of this era is faulty and not the same SSW as used today and will rot. The method of the hull layoup is subject to falure and blistering. It's also very heavy. I had one the most beautiful Tayanas, the FD12 so I know a bit about the boats and I have sailed or delivered many CT's, Hans Christians, Tayana's, etc. You will sink much more than you anticipate if you get one of these boats. I know you are probabaly looking at this eras due to price and beauty, but you can find bargain on much younger boats which are much better quality and a lot faster in the water.
Vagabond 42’s are generally anywhere from $50-85k, but the Vagabond 47 is anywhere from roughly $85k to $150k range. Our budget should really be under $85k. But that number is going to depend on the boat, the size and what we can do with it. If we get a Vagabond 42, our plans of running overnight charters are out the window.
Your idea of doing charters on any leaky teaky wont work out. Chaters boats are all much newer, insurable boats with all the modern amenities and most are catamarans. Having owned 3 different vessels from 42 feet to 51 feet i would suggest you figure out what your plans truly are before buying any boat. If you want to cruise, liveaboard or charter, will define your budget. Owning a charter boat is very expensive. Living on and refitting a boat is a tough hurdle, and to buy a boat to cruise on will change the perameters entirely. Good luck on your search.
Thank you Doug! Yes the plan is to run overnight charters on the boat, which means we’d need to keep it tight. We’d also run day charters, private, so it’s making money regardless. We have the opportunity to join our boat with another local charter company who also has a leaky teaky, and then we will move the business to the Caribbean in the coming years. It will also be a home for some time, so we want something significant enough in size that we’re comfortable, even with guests. There’s no doubt it’ll be a struggle! We will have passive income, and I’m also a broker, so we hope we can pull it all together and make it work!
On a day charter, ppl will mostly stay in the cockpit or on deck when they can. As long as it’s not leaking over the beds, leaks are not something you should worry about too much. You can totally charter that boat but it depends where. Trying to charter in BVI probably would not work. Think about what client you plan to attract. There is a huge gap between high end charter and ppl who just want to go on a sailboat.
You are 100% correct, and that's the plan. We'll start with day charters until the interior is totally good to go. We can already join a charter company where we live with a friend who is established, so that's easy. Once we get out of this area, we will do overnight charters. It'll be that hole in the market, not quite luxury, but custom charters that are affordable for people who do want a little low-key lux. @@MHow1900 I worked freelance on yachts for years, and have that background, so I have no problem on the charter end. Hal is a long-time charter captain, so this feels like a natural progression! We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!
Its pretty clear who decides what boat will be bought, So save up some more money until you can afford to buy what you want!. Other wise all of this is bullshit!
Well to be fair, this has been my long term plan, and I sold my house to buy the boat, so I do have say in what I spend it on. However, I want Hal to love whatever I buy as much as I do because his name will be on the title.
We had to. He was a rescue and the previous owner was elderly and didn't brush him and his hair on his back legs and all was matted 4" deep and no groomer in town would touch him. It would have been impossible to brush, it was like a huge stretch of dread. I tried out of desperation. I finally found a groomer that would shave, because it had to be shaved down to the skin and the skin was super irritated from the dread. There was no choice. So we did it. It's finally starting to grow out now so he's starting to look more normal.
buy the boat as is, then you wont have to redo what they have been doing in a haphazard way. Thoroughly inspect--then have your surveyor inspect. KNOW what you are buying-----THEN--Get to work!----Mikey, in Belfair
Thanks Mike! Yea, in many cases, we prefer that! I kinda like the peace of mind knowing that WE did the work, or someone we trust, and then we know what's going on if something goes wrong. It pays to know your boat intimately, that's for sure.
I have to disagree. Everyone has a boat preference for different reasons. If I bought a power boat I’d say that was terrible and I’d hate myself. If I bought a Beneteau, ID definitely hate myself. If I bought a Lagoon, I’d feel even worse! Everyone is different, my friend.
I would be interested how you see any positives in these boats: far too heavy, terrible hydrodynamics, sail like a brick, poor handling under power, terrible build quality, especially the earlier boats, aesthetically challenged to say the least. They are old, generally leaky and rotten motor sailors that look ugly and go nowhere fast. They were poorly built when new and time has not been kind to many of them. I would never advocate for a Beneteau or a Lagoon but frankly these would be one of the few boats that are worse.
I don't completely disagree with you, but these boats still have their place and in my opinion, they're beautiful and there is great craftsmanship in these boats. Solid wood in interiors in some of them, thick fiberglass hulls... The leaking is often with the teak deck and the stanchions, and many of the teak decks are eventually pulled off and fiberglass is put down so that is remedied completely. @@deerfootnz A teak deck doesn't last forever. The same was true in the time when boats were primarily built of wood. But with that said, new boats leak too! They are heavy, and they are slow, so I can't argue that.
I’m just wondering- Do you own and live on a sailboat? And did you look at only one before you bought it? I would advise anyone to look at a number of boats before choosing one to buy. In our case, while we both work in the industry, I am more familiar with these boats than Hal, and I’ve had this plan for many years, and I sold my house to buy the boat, but he’s less familiar with these Taiwan builds so we are exploring our options together and showing the process of looking for the right boat for us. This is helpful for a lot of our viewers because they want a boat but have no idea what they’re looking at or what to look for. For Hal, he needs the headroom and not all of these boats offer that. So far, showing the process has worked out just fine for us. I can’t exactly help you if you don’t want to see it. There are plenty of other channels with people refitting boats or sailing them.
That vessel has your name ALL over it ! Buy it do the refit yourself and charter it to the Caribians have it paid for in 3 to 5 years then Sail the world full time , oh ya i was talking like im young enough to do it ! But grab the oppertunity by the Chest hairs and do it !
Hahahah Thanks Dave! Well, we’re on a limited budget since my house didn’t sell for what we thought it would so our boat budget has definitely dwindled a bit. We’d like to run overnight charters, since Hal has been in the charter industry his entire life as a fishing guide and I spent my years working on boats and yachts and have training in silver service and such. We’d love a boat this size with at least one double berth up forward for couples, but something we can also raise a family on on day. (Sooner than later, I’m 36!) who knows what we’ll end up with! Feel free to subscribe and find out with us! Haha
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Thank you for that! Yes, ideally I’d like a Formosa 51 or a Force 50, and we’ve already considered two different Mikelson 50’s (we may do a video on one even if we don’t buy it) and honestly, the smaller Taiwan builds won’t suit our needs for chartering, and even on the models mentioned, it would have to be the right berthing setup.
We both come from a history of working on boats in different capacities and aren’t afraid of a project, fiberglass work, woodwork, etc. These are things we can do, just maybe not professionally. Hal is also very mechanically skilled so that is the part that I really appreciate because while I can play with things and sometimes fix a mechanical issue, I’m not a mechanic so I wouldn’t do that with my engine or generator like he can. We hope you stick with us!!!
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Wonderful positive attitude it’s great !!When you’re thinking about buying a boat and you’re ready to go , just buy it and follow your heart. You need to be able to physically work which most people these days are reluctant to do. You have to love it and be positive . I like working on boats doing the dirty work covered in dust in a boatyard , grimy and tired but it’s not for everyone and my wife can only take it for a month at a time .That boat will be much slower than a newer production yacht it’s heavier, but they’re such a pretty thing.I’ve been a cruiser for three years in australia , what is important for us is to examine each system individually test and cost for any needed repair and maintenance to get that part running at 100percent. Start with through hulls and antifoul first , then steering then engine/gearbox/shaft/prop then clean tanks no leaks then batteries . It’s systematic and you can’t go wrong . When your happy with those it’s standing rig, sails, anchor winch, chain and anchor. Leave the woodwork and cosmetics because they’re the pleasure jobs . But it’s not my business to advise, this is just what worked for us. wish you luck . Oh and a new outboard for a good dinghy will save you from hours of rowing in the rain and wind and waves with wet groceries and clothes and a sad and unhappy wife. Oh by the way the only new engine for a boat is called YANMAR because they will save your life. The old other brand diesels will teach you all you need to know about being a diesel mechanic. When we wanted anitfoul we buy it from the commercial fishing boat yard, not the recreational boat supplier. It’s cheaper and lasts longer .
Hey John, Thanks for that! Yep, luckily we’ve both done our share of hard dirty work on boats and mostly Hal is super handy on mechanics so we have that going for us, at least. If we didn’t, we’d never be able to make it happen. That’s for certain! I do hope you subscribe and stick around!
Love the Forms 51, Hudson Force 50, Vagabond 47, and this one is VERY interesting. But - what is comfortable at anchor is not necessarily comfortable at sea, and the TC 54 looks voluminous inside, but that could be quite a hazard in a heavy seaway, nothing to hold on to with your hip while your hands are full. She certainly has an interesting layout with those pullman berths - I suppose they could have a slide out base to make them wider as required for sleeping.
Would certainly like to see more Taiwan builds - love them..!!
Thank you!! I love them too. When I was filming, Hal was sitting over on the Setee ignoring my rant, and when I was done, he told me I had gone too far, ranted too much, I was going to bore everyone to death. hahah The first day the video was up was slow and he said "I think this is just a bad, boring video, you talked too much...." and then the views started shooting up and now we've gained well over 350 new subscribers, and it pushed us over the edge for monetization with UA-cam and we have the new features, and we have our viewers to thank for that! But I kept telling him, that I might be a 36 year old lady with the interests of a 65 year old man, but there are plenty of people out there who love this stuff as much as I do! hahahah Point proven. You are totally right about the interior. It's honestly not my favorite layout, and I'm much more a fan of the Formosa 51 or Vagabond 47, Bill Garden layouts. We're looking strongly at a Mikelson 50, only 18 built, and its a can of worms. We will see what plays out with it. It's beautiful, though. I'm really glad to know that you and these other guys want to see more Taiwan builds!!! I'll do what I can! I believe we're planning to go live tonight at 9pm EST (6pm PST) on youtube. We haven't gone live here before so we will see how it goes. We'll be talking about what we've seen and what we want. We hope you subscribe and join us!
It's got those Captain Ron vibes. Hope you guys get on the water sooner rather than later 🤙
Me too!!! Thank you!!!
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Captain Hal & Lovely Siren,
Thanks a lot for doing my shopping for me!
Hal, you said it all when you stated: "I have room in this boat"!
I get it, as I lifted too much weight for too many years, and my shoulders just don't fit into boats, airline seats, or cars built for people 5'10" or less! Hell, my claustrophobia starts up just viewing a video of a sailboat with cut down doorways, so low ceilings, clearances, or passages won't work for me. To make things worse, I'm trying to find a sailboat that my 6'8" youngest son will fit into, and my precious wife is not going to live with a wet head, cramped kitchen, no washer, or submarine feel down below...
I've been shopping for a suitable sailboat for two years now, and can't shake the fever, despite having multiple boats already on the hard in my one of my yards. 😂
Oh man. Hahaha Well this one is for sale! It’s in a refit but it’ll be around $200k when she’s all done. Let me know if you wanna buy it!
You're welcome.
Nice to see another generation loving these boats. I sailed on a few of them. Shared your video with Bob Perry too.
Awhhhh Thanks for that!
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We had this boat...1975, "MERRYALL" aft cockpit which is rare apparently. The freeboard of this boat made motoring [and especially reverse] a nightmare in heavier air. Having said that, we shared space and adventures aplenty. The boat was bought in Taiwan and shipped to Newark. We sailed out of Westport, Saugatuck harbor to destinations in the NE. So comfortable underway! In those days we had Loran c and used the paper charts as backup. It took 3 to navigate in questionable water or at night. One on the bowsprit, One steering, and one on the chart. That was our system anyway. My dad preferred the look of the aft cockpit but it was impossible to actually see from the wheel over the massive bowsprit! This also made configuration below a little different too. We did look at probably 30 boats [all with some water damage] which prompted the purchase of the new one. It did have the spruce masts which lent even more authentic retro pirateship vibe and it was an attention grabber wherever we anchored. We were able to sail easily and balance with genny and mizzen...mainsail was a big commitment. Looking hard is really important. Every boat is uniquely rigged, powered and fitted out. Many things will be discovered even when you think you know her well.
Love those spruce masts. Thanks for for comment. Have you subscribed?! We have a new video out of one we CAN afford to buy, but overhauling the damned thing is another story. How was the interior layout of the aft cockpit?
We have a Formosa 56 1986, love her to the limit, We have been cruising for over 18 years. We have done many refits in the past, including new teak deck laid up in Trinidad, currently hauled in Grenada for a long list of projects. i agree with your addiction to these old beauties...sail on, lovin watching your videos. Autie and Janie s/v Onward
Thank you for watching. We do love old boats, cars, guitars, anything old really.
Thank you!!! We’re so glad to have you around here.
Did you go with real teak?? And where did you have it done and what did it cost? We got some rough estimates and the price of teak is so high right now. Looked at Flexiteek too, which isn’t real teak but it looks pretty nice, actually. Better than the other knock-offs. Even still, it’s not cheap!
We did real teak in Chagaramas @ Power Boats Trinidad that was 2015. She was in a barn for over 8 months. It cost 30k+. it was worth it to us a fantastic job, no screws. Sail on!@@TheSirensLog
@@janiemcvicker739 Oh that’s totally doable!! The price of teal has gone up so much now. Still maybe cheaper down there. I got a quote on a teal deck with installation here on a 42’ Vagabond (and we are most likely going much larger) and it was over $100k. 😫 That’s why we started considering the Flexiteek but even that is still like $70k on the 42. Might have to hold off until teak prices drop.
I like the outside style
We do too! Classic Taiwan build.
I chartered a CT56 from CSY Charters in Road Town BVI twice. We had a party of 6 and accommodation wise is was great. The charter company had cut the aspect of the sails so that Bareboat charterers wouldn’t over power the rig. Because of the experience of 3 0f the 6 people on-board that was probably good. I am a very experienced skipper and we had a wonderful time. My feelings were the boat was solid and didn’t creek and groan. There is one hell of allot of work to do and really time and wallet consuming. I have a small power boat for fishing now. However, I’m in my 70’s. Good luck. I’m following you.
Thank you so much for the follow and the comment Robert! I really appreciate that. I understand the work and dedication the boat will need. No doubt. In a string of negative comments about how I can’t charter a Leaky Teaky, your comment is appreciated. Hahah That’s good to know!!!
@@TheSirensLog I chartered my tayana 37 a bunch of times in indonesia. It depends on youre activity too. I was doing surf charters. Private surf safari. So tbe boat was never the issue. Everyone loves a leaky teaky. It brings out there pirate dreams I could have had a charter every day. But there not easy to live with others on a small boat tbats youre home. Go big and keep tbe act cabin as youre cabin. So you always have youre space. And youre things.
@@evinwhiteson4902 That’s exactly what I keep thinking. Hal disagrees and says that we “have” to give them the aft cabin but I disagree. I want my space and my aft cabin and my things. If I’m living on the boat, that’s my home and my room and my things. He sees it as they’re chartering the boat so they get the aft cabin and we just move our things back and forth and I’m just not feeling that. I’d rather do a Formosa 51 with a really nice forward cabin setup with a nice double berth (I’ve seen beautiful ones!) and do a couples charter. I don’t want to prioritize having more people on the boat. Two is perfect. And couples will pay more than singles, I think, so having one big berth is better than bunks, I think. We argue about that one single thing a lot.
@@TheSirensLog The aft cabin is key to always having youre own space in my opinion . When you have guests you need some distance.. My experience with charters its very hard to get rest if you dont have youre own space. Youre own bed . Besides who wants a bunch of strangers sleeping in there bed.
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Ok Siren you two earned my subscription, Best of Luck on your path.
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Thank you.
Thanks for the Captain Ron reference!
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Any time, Boss.
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Vagabond 47 is my favorite boat all time
That’s a damned beautiful model.
If you have the energy to do the work, that is an awesome boat. The space and headroom are for living in, and that is what you are going to do the most. You have to stop looking and buy something one day, why not today.
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Wow, Siren. Great history lesson about Perry, impressed with your knowledge and you surprise me as I go through the videos. I agree about looking past the visual as seen. Need to check the "bones" of the boat. If it is just a topical damage issue and the foundation (bones) are solid, no harm no foul. Hal's requirement is solid. I am not that tall but have wide shoulders and dislike having to twist and turn to go through a doorways. 2 more videos then I'm caught up. Have a great day !
Hahaha wow!!! Thank you!
Yeah I agree with him. I’d be buying the boat for us, but he is going to be a big part of the maintenance so it’ll be his boat too, and I want him to love it so it’s important to me that whatever we get, be both love and care for it. I need him in this as much as he needs me! Hahah
Really enjoyed the walkthrough and history lesson. I just took ownership of a 1977 CT 38 (non Warwick) and love seeing the other boats that came out of the Taiwanese shipyards.
There is a Formosa 51 ketch on
Boat Trader right now. In Marina Del Rey, Ca
It's just out of our budget, and I know that even that one will need work. They don't tell all in the listing! hahaha We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!
That boat would scare me. So much work. But did like the video. Good luck!
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That dance hall main salon is nice @ dock-side. Yet @ sea, I wonder how many passengers suddenly found themselves @ port when a moment ago they'd been standing @ starboard. Also, saw some 90-degree corners I'd definitely round-off.
A 40-year old house demands lots of work. A sailing vessel demands even more.
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Groovy video; a romantic ship.
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Beautiful filming sis
I owe you a phone call! Sorry! We’ve been SO sick lately. 🤢 It’s terrible. Talk soon!
I love your channel! I have a yacht skipper's license for 30 years now, so that dates me :-) Regarding surveys (I saw it discussed below) in 1960 my dad bought a new H-28 (L. Frances Herreschoff design built in Japan). He insisted on having it surveyed - new. The broker was livid, but my dad has his way. In the end the boat was full of problems which got fixed. Go figure...
Hahahah THAT is exactly what we keep saying!! We get all these comments of people saying we’re too picky and we need to buy a new boat. No! Hahah New boats come with problems too!! I’d rather have an old boat and do the work. All boats will have issues, just try to be reasonable and pick your issues as best as you can. That’s the way I see it. Buying a new boat doesn’t mean you won’t have maintenance!! Haha Good on your Pa!
Great boat!
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Get the biggest one a 56 I thought about getting one a while ago and the real problem was not the decks that all need replacement it is the lamination schedule of the bottom summertime or wintertime I think winter would have been better but if you have done some grinding of glass on the bottom of a hull literally there could be a million osmotic blisters on any of them so if your going to buy owner pays for haulout to see the bottom that's when negotiating comes into play
Yeah we’re having that issue now with another boat we’re looking at, a Mikelson 50. Tiny little blisters across the entire hull. Luckily it’s already on the hard so we knew that first thing. That’s the single biggest job we’d have on that boat if we bought it. Really still deciding if that’s something we’d want to tackle, and if so, how much would we even want to pay for the boat knowing that needs to be done. Errr. We can do the work ourselves, at least. I’m also a broker so I do have good access to seeing what’s available, so I’m hoping the right boat magically pops up for a good price before next spring.
I used to broker wooden boats and my best freind was the best surveyor on the west coast in the last 30 years remember osmotic blistering can happen on any fiberglass boat anything bigger then a quarter grind away re glass but if you are looking at a million little blisters I probably would walk away unless you want to re glass the entire bottom
They only grow if not dealt with sure the clock gives you time to deal with them later it only means a bigger job later
Thanks for that advice. Yeah, that was my way of thinking. If we were to buy it, we’d want to deal with it immediately while it’s out of the water and needs paint. But it would have to be a sweet deal.
@TheSirensLog so my friend wanted a big old Hatteras broker wanted 120,000 for a boat that was chained to the dock slip fees unpaid sure start the engine forward reverse on good old detroit diesels wrote a 3 page letter to the broker with prices to bring the boat up to any standard we talked the broker and owner down 60,000 not only that but broker said nicest survey I have seen in my time working for the brokerage
I love the Taiwan builds. Im looking for a pilothouse. Love the video ❤️.
Ahh yes!!! They’re harder to find but when you do they’re gorgeous!
You should see the videos we did on the Mikelson. That boat isn’t nearly as bad as everyone said it was. It’s listed at $139k now but you can totally make a lower offer and get it. Last I heard, they wanted it gone. I guess the bank finally reached that point with it- unfortunately that was after we decided we weren’t taking it. Its a little project but with some TLC, could be a fantastic boat again. If you want to see it let me know. It’s through our brokerage and it’s right up the street.
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Still looking for one of those with the Original wooden wheel house, I found one then it disappeared Poof and gone. Hal you are a lucky man with such a pretty and smart sea wife.
Yeah I’ve seen a few. I was watching one out in the Pacific Northwest last year called Chalupa and some guy bought it and I read in a forum somewhere he said the boat was a lot worse than the listing let on. I’d love to have that as well, but it looks like we’d have to build it. I saw on UA-cam hundreds of videos of people building them themselves!
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Chalupa IS THE Boat I was talking about. @@TheSirensLog That is funny...
I'm thinking I should clear my shop for a Mumby Cat build and just do it.
Hahaha I TOLD y’all!!! I’m on top of this! Lol I have kept a close eye on the market for years. That’s why I’m so interested in this one.
Not familiar with that cat!
Would you be building the whole thing? That’s amazing.
@@TheSirensLog Do you know of the rebuilt one in Washington state inside a barn? The Widow is selling it her husband was an A#1 shipwright. 80k if I remember right, it too was missing the wheelhouse. I am Like Hal Tall, Mechanic etc. and OLDER so I do not want to spend years on a refit or build.
I am most interested in a Zero Gravity Galactic cruiser for a ship they are Very capable and are submersible. lol
Green cove springs, Fl, Green cove Marina would be place to call see what there. Good earth you see what I mean.
Hey You're right! Green Cove Springs always has good deals. I just sold my property in Palatka (1915 Historic home, so yeah. I'm looking for a new can of worms lol) and I'm played with the idea of looking for property around Green Cove Springs because I'm a broker and that's a decent little area. There isn't anything there I want in the MLS, but that's not to say there isn't something sitting at a dock somewhere without a price tag on it.
Do you live there now?
@@TheSirensLog No I’m at Mandarin Holiday Marine, close to Green Cove. Lots of sailboat look like some haven’t been touch in years.
Yeah, Green Cove and St Aug tend to be like that. lol We have to get over to Jacksonville soon to pick up one of my VW busses and drop another off with the mechanic at Hilltop, and we may stop through Green Cove and poke around. @@douglasperkins7592
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Cape George boatyard and Skookum Marine, both in Port Townsend, Washington likely built the strongest cruisers ever, and not prone to leaking- no shortcuts were taken. These little ships are fantastic though only Cape George still survives. today. Building a great boat and making profit on a great boat are two different things. Both are built for oceans- go anywhere boats. If you see a Skookum on the East coast, be sure to take a look.
They’re beautiful boats! Will do.
@@TheSirensLog I have occasionally seen them for sale on the East coast, a very nice one was for sale in the UK...right now, there are 2 or 3 for sale on the West coast. They are so strong, they are sometimes used as commercial fishing sailboats.
Update, we met a couple on a Skookum and it'll be seen in one of our next few videos!
i cruised sea tigers for years. solid and honest. i share your love for them and if i went back to cruising it would be the only boat id consider, (except for a swan). thanks for the back story and passion. fair winds, k
Very nice. The sea tigers are beautiful boat. There was one for sale nearby we looks at actually. ❤️
Older boats comes with a pricetag, pending on how much work a owner have to do on it. Doesn´t matter how tall one are and what comforts the boat comes with, its all about if a prospector are up for the task of doing the work.
Lots of wood have 6 times more worktime and constant maintenance. due to varnishing and such.
Protip: Dont be overambitious.
Its a lovely boat by design. Especially the stern.
Buying a boat should mostly be, did you fall in love in it? and be realistic at the same time.
Couldn’t agree more. I firmly believe you should always buy a boat based on feel. As a broker, I encourage all of my potential buyers to do the same. Fortunately this has been a long-time goal and the perfect set-up for us has been being narrowed over the last 15 years of deciding what the “forever boat” would be. We’re at a point of finding it now, and we know what we want, and we know what we’re up against. These builds are a huge commitment. We will be using the boat as a home, as well as a charter business, so it will consume us and will be our priority. We’re fortunate in that sense, being on top of the work. We can’t afford for it to be a $100k toy, so we have no option but to make it a business and home together. My house is sold, and Hal’s house is where we live, so we aren’t waffies looking for a cheap way to live- more that we’d prefer to. But you’re right! The boat we choose will be high maintenance! We’re capable of most everything we’d need to do to it, so we’re lucky!
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@@TheSirensLog yup. Fair winds until live.
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My 2 cents worth. I have a perry ct 37 also known as tayana 1977. For 20 years. Put 100,000 miles on it and 4 refits over 20 years.
Solid boat but a lot of teak and a lot of dry rot in bulkheads and anything not teak. Was my experience and all stainless is total crap. But woodwork not a issue if you can do a bit of grinding fiberglass and epoxy
A boat this size is awesome. But first thing put a brand new yanmar 170 hp before it goes anywhere . Cause 40 year old diesels will let you down in a big way. These boats sail great down wind in the tradewinds. 200 mile days there heavy and seakindly. But outside the trades youre motorsailing.
Also needs new chainplates and rigging and sails. You talking about 45,000 if you do the work. 55,000 if youre hire it out.
These are really dreamy boats that spark sailing dreams. But there a lot of work
I would go for it if in budget. As long as you know the leaky teaky history as you do.
Oh I do.. and I understand the work involved. Thank you! You’re right about the engine. This one is going to be a little out of our budget with what all it needs, but we’re happy to have a little project on our hands. We know it’ll always be a project, but we’d be dedicated to the boat as a home and business so there’s no issue there. And oddly, I enjoy brightwork. I’m sure I’ll change my mind when I’m sanding down the entire interior of a 51’ Taiwan build but….. hahahah We hope you subscribed! This will be interesting regardless. Hahab
@@TheSirensLog i did sub. sounds like you guys have a plan and a leaky teaky is what youre after.
Thats the thing about buying a classic. There full of character. There beautifull. From a era of discovery
Try to stick with aluminum spars. I had a 1969 mariner 32 and spruce masts. A ketch. Beautifull and varnished . Aluminum is far more desirable from a maintenace perspective. Good luck
You're right! The spruce is gorgeous, and there's one in Italy we have been watching hard since 2019, and now it has been sitting and it leaking and rotten everywhere. That one has spruce, and I can't say I wouldn't do it, because we looked at a Formosa 41 and had considered working on those masts (they only wanted like $13k for the boat) but if I can find the right boat with aluminum, I know we'd be better off. We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!@@evinwhiteson4902
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I do like that boat.
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Good history. Lots of information I was not familiar with. Not this is good content. Will subscribe and follow.
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I like it, especially that he finally has the trousers on in your relationship while you are loosing yours. Thats how it should be and how it works.
This man definitely wears the trousers. Hahaha feels good.
@@TheSirensLog Thanks for not being offended. All the best.
You are making me homesick for Fla.
Hi i am over in the UK where do i go to see this boat. I have found it being advertised by EDWARDS but it is out of the water with them, it was also last seen in Panama. It has been found by you, more info please. regards Jim
There is a 56 for sale in Newport. Looks amazing. 325K though. You can maybe slash it down to sub 250K, at least try :D On Yachtworld 🍺
Ahhh I bet it’s lovely! That’s well out of our budget though. We’ve got to try to stay under $100k, and even then, we’re pushing not having the extra money to do big jobs on it. It is possible to find these boats in ready-to-go shape for under $100k, and we’re definitely open to other builds. Thanks for the heads up on that one in Newport though!
I see. I saw another boat more close by and with the perfect booze seats. Just kidding, but oozing with charm. Recent engine, Robert Bruce Modified Spray. On Yachtworld again.
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Hahahaha That's totally an ongoing thing in a LOT of our episodes too. So I think I get more and more frustrated every time it happens when I'm filming. lol
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Formosa 51 is my pick.
That’s my personal fav as well. Finding one in my price range is another story! Haha
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ALSO have you thought about getting onto the boat from your dingy? or getting into the water or your dingy from the boat? It's is very hard and problematic. This is why serious cruising monohulls have gone to different transoms allowing easy boarding and exiting. You will rue the day you had one of these when you are anchored somewhere and you note how easy others board and disembark their boats. This is a far bigger deal than you imagine when cruising.
Oh yeah, definitely have. I’ve lived on the hook as well and I can attest that’s a tricky one. That’s one thing we’ve brainstormed ideas for because we are also surfers and divers, and while getting in and out of the boat empty handed is hard, it’s even worse when you’re holding a 9’2” surfboard that is as fragile as an egg.
He likes the boat, buy it. 😊
I don’t have enough money to buy this one anymore. The budget keeps shrinking the longer we look.
My wife and I bought a Hudson Force Ketch 50 . Very similar built-in 87 . We got so screwed. We didn't get a survey. We should have. But we were new to boats and was befriended by the previous owner . It was well painted and problems hidden. The survivor was a friend of the own and gave us a survey that wasn't right. It had hidden termites. That they hid well we bought it mainly because It had a brand new 125 hp yanmar a brand new suitcase 10k Panda generator. Brand-new. Fuel polishing system
New fuel tanks 300 gall new 100 gallon water tanks . . Now we feel like suckers . It's got new rigging standing and running and sails . I still would love to finish it up and cruise the globe
Ahhh man. Yeah. Those are pretty boats and we keep an eye out for them as well. I’m a broker and always advise everyone to get a survey no matter what! Luckily, we have a new survey on this boat, plus we’ve been watching it for months and saw it before they painted the bottom. Really serious electrolysis issue. They put a new prop on which “hides” that issue, but we’re fully aware of it. We saw the old zincs too. Nice that they changed that stuff out but… we’re in the shipyard a lot so we see!!
Sorry about your termites! Sounds crazy. But at least it’s a big pretty boat and once you have it all under control, you have something really nice.
Sounds like yours had a lot going for it too! All that new stuff is a lot less headache on you. There will always be unknown problems in ANY boat so… you just pay the least you can get away with and cross your fingers. Hahaha The projects will always be there no matter how nice the boat is.
I hope you guys go cruising!!!
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Dewayne - we DID get a survey on the 52' boat we bought - a surveyor that the broker recommended. We also got SO SCREWED - the surveyor was either incompetent or corrupt - and he glowed over the boat, either missing or covering up every kind of ill you can imagine. Too late, I learned that when dealing with brokers, you ask them which surveyor they recommend - then choose someone else. There are a lot of poor marine surveyors out there, so even if you had the Hudson inspected, they might have provided a passing survey. Best of luck finishing up projects on the Hudson - when done you should have a wonderful cruising boat.
@@Morrisfactor People can be evil. I hate that happened to you.
Well I AM a broker and it is totally illegal for the broker to recommend a surveyor! When people ask me who they should use, I politely tell them that I can not legally make a recommendation and that they can easily google surveyors and most our surveyors around here and good. They all have some weird surveys here and there, but overall, none are “bad”. The fact they recommended someone is a red flag.
I guess it varies by state - or our broker was ignoring it. In a twist of Karma, he is in jail for life - child pornography. @@TheSirensLog
I'd like to buy it, how much?
Shoot an email over to Seth@dca-dcpr.com who is the broker.
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CT54's are cool boats. Our friends have one and we spent time aboard in Mexico. I just see so many projects on this boat, and when I see one project, there are 5 more hidden right behind it. Everything will be more expensive on a bigger boat. We sailed away on our Lord Nelson 35 (another Taiwanese boat similar to a Hans Christian) and everything cost us less to refit. For us, a smaller boat was right. We don't have to charter, which, for me, I see as a major headache. Our boat is our home and our sanctuary, and it would be a pain for us to have as a floating hotel, catering to others who don't understand how to conserve water and clog our head.
Hahaha You’re right! Chartering is a headache. I worked yachts for years and in that world it’s the crew who has to take 20 second showers, not the guests, hahah but the beach ache remains!! I just sold my historic home which was very much like an old boat. You’d rip into one thing and…. Oh my goodness. You couldn’t change a shower head in that house without having to tear out the whole wall to replace the plumbing and put new drywall and tile back up, basically. Everything in the house felt like that, and these boats are very much the same.
I share your way of thinking that a bigger boat is heaps more expensive to own and maintain, which is why if we’re looking at the 50’ range, we have to charter it seasonally. We may not even need to run charters full time, just enough to get some money in the bank to help upkeep the boat. I’m also a broker and Hal is a fishing guide, so we we will see how these things work out in the end. We also want something big enough to be able to raise a small family on one day. We’re looking for the forever boat. It’s a huge commitment, but we’ve been planning for years so it’s time. I agree that if we decide not to run overnight charters, we may go back to 37-44’ range. I would like to be as small as we can, while also being a comfortable home.
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That smaller boat is not just a little bit cheaper to maintain...
I could fit!!!!!
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Hi it is a long shot but I am looking for information how to assembly double bad in front cabin on ta chia 54? If anyone has idea please let me know.
Assemble the bed? Is it a traditional V berth? You’re welcome to email us photos sirenwilliams@thesirenslog.com and maybe we can help
"I am 6'2" and can stack BS thiis high!"
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This boat is at least 45 years old,, geez
It’s a 1982, so no.
@@TheSirensLog OK so it's 42.. whats another 3 years?
Big boat, grt space.....but u guys arnt playing with a full deck if u think its worth buying. Fair dinkum. Yah nuts? And big fella, after a yr on board, youll know y there ain't large, open spaces down below. Segway too....what r u grabbing onto when that squall hits, which 100% will happen. Plus, u guys need couples counselling. Bugger me. Id put a fiver down that your voyage is short, sweet and tempered😂. No, i wouldnt put a buck down to buy it. But i gotta sub and follow u. Front row seats to this, cant miss that. Good luck and enjoy t journeyl 🤙
Thank you for this comment. 😂 To be fair, we’ve been close friends since we were little kids and we’ve been together for 3, and we’re old, so we’re used to giving each other hell. Lol we’ve been at it a long time.
And you’re right about the open spaces! I’m on your team with that!
We’re not buying this one. Our budget has shrank since the initial plan but we will get something and it will be amazing. Whatever it is. Hahaha Thanks for subscribing! Happy to have you around to give us hell.
@TheSirensLog 🍻 thanks for being kind to me. Didn't realise I wrote all that 🤦♂️. Mightve hit t sauce a bit too much last night. 🙏.
You're forgiven. hahah @@woody4269
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If you can stand that man, how discerning must you be with the boat?
Lol Well this man is the only way I’ll ever be able to own and maintain a boat like this so yes, I can stand that man.
Dude, thats funny. But...took me 5 sec to think, I like this man. Way too many feminised men on this planet Jeff, he ain't one of em! He reminds me of heaps of Texan men I met who could fix anything. Have a fight with, and a nice cold beer after.
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more head room = how much more windage
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When you look past the beautiful and generous use of teak, you have a boat that is much like the expression: a hole in the water you pour your money". All the stainless on boats of this era is faulty and not the same SSW as used today and will rot. The method of the hull layoup is subject to falure and blistering. It's also very heavy. I had one the most beautiful Tayanas, the FD12 so I know a bit about the boats and I have sailed or delivered many CT's, Hans Christians, Tayana's, etc. You will sink much more than you anticipate if you get one of these boats. I know you are probabaly looking at this eras due to price and beauty, but you can find bargain on much younger boats which are much better quality and a lot faster in the water.
You’re right about the stainless, which is why I particularly like that Mikelson we looked at. That was just after that era.
How much is the sailboat?
That boat is listed at $125. It is still available by that seller if it’s something you’re interested in let me know.
@@TheSirensLog I would love to talk to the seller. Is the boat from before or after 1981?
What sort of money are you wanting to spend , vagabond is expensive, very robust ????
Vagabond 42’s are generally anywhere from $50-85k, but the Vagabond 47 is anywhere from roughly $85k to $150k range. Our budget should really be under $85k. But that number is going to depend on the boat, the size and what we can do with it. If we get a Vagabond 42, our plans of running overnight charters are out the window.
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He knows….😂😂😂
🤷♀️ He ought to!
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@@TheSirensLog probably past our bedtime! 🤣🤣🤣
Your idea of doing charters on any leaky teaky wont work out. Chaters boats are all much newer, insurable boats with all the modern amenities and most are catamarans. Having owned 3 different vessels from 42 feet to 51 feet i would suggest you figure out what your plans truly are before buying any boat. If you want to cruise, liveaboard or charter, will define your budget. Owning a charter boat is very expensive. Living on and refitting a boat is a tough hurdle, and to buy a boat to cruise on will change the perameters entirely. Good luck on your search.
Thank you Doug! Yes the plan is to run overnight charters on the boat, which means we’d need to keep it tight. We’d also run day charters, private, so it’s making money regardless. We have the opportunity to join our boat with another local charter company who also has a leaky teaky, and then we will move the business to the Caribbean in the coming years. It will also be a home for some time, so we want something significant enough in size that we’re comfortable, even with guests.
There’s no doubt it’ll be a struggle! We will have passive income, and I’m also a broker, so we hope we can pull it all together and make it work!
On a day charter, ppl will mostly stay in the cockpit or on deck when they can.
As long as it’s not leaking over the beds, leaks are not something you should worry about too much.
You can totally charter that boat but it depends where. Trying to charter in BVI probably would not work.
Think about what client you plan to attract. There is a huge gap between high end charter and ppl who just want to go on a sailboat.
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You are 100% correct, and that's the plan. We'll start with day charters until the interior is totally good to go. We can already join a charter company where we live with a friend who is established, so that's easy. Once we get out of this area, we will do overnight charters. It'll be that hole in the market, not quite luxury, but custom charters that are affordable for people who do want a little low-key lux. @@MHow1900 I worked freelance on yachts for years, and have that background, so I have no problem on the charter end. Hal is a long-time charter captain, so this feels like a natural progression! We'll be going live tonight on UA-cam at 9pm EST if you'd like to join us!
Its pretty clear who decides what boat will be bought,
So save up some more money until you can afford to buy what you want!.
Other wise all of this is bullshit!
Well to be fair, this has been my long term plan, and I sold my house to buy the boat, so I do have say in what I spend it on. However, I want Hal to love whatever I buy as much as I do because his name will be on the title.
did you shave that poor dog?
We had to. He was a rescue and the previous owner was elderly and didn't brush him and his hair on his back legs and all was matted 4" deep and no groomer in town would touch him. It would have been impossible to brush, it was like a huge stretch of dread. I tried out of desperation. I finally found a groomer that would shave, because it had to be shaved down to the skin and the skin was super irritated from the dread. There was no choice. So we did it. It's finally starting to grow out now so he's starting to look more normal.
buy the boat as is, then you wont have to redo what they have been doing in a haphazard way. Thoroughly inspect--then have your surveyor inspect. KNOW what you are buying-----THEN--Get to work!----Mikey, in Belfair
Thanks Mike! Yea, in many cases, we prefer that! I kinda like the peace of mind knowing that WE did the work, or someone we trust, and then we know what's going on if something goes wrong. It pays to know your boat intimately, that's for sure.
These boats are terrible. Don't do it, you will hate yourself
I have to disagree. Everyone has a boat preference for different reasons. If I bought a power boat I’d say that was terrible and I’d hate myself. If I bought a Beneteau, ID definitely hate myself. If I bought a Lagoon, I’d feel even worse! Everyone is different, my friend.
I would be interested how you see any positives in these boats: far too heavy, terrible hydrodynamics, sail like a brick, poor handling under power, terrible build quality, especially the earlier boats, aesthetically challenged to say the least. They are old, generally leaky and rotten motor sailors that look ugly and go nowhere fast. They were poorly built when new and time has not been kind to many of them. I would never advocate for a Beneteau or a Lagoon but frankly these would be one of the few boats that are worse.
I don't completely disagree with you, but these boats still have their place and in my opinion, they're beautiful and there is great craftsmanship in these boats. Solid wood in interiors in some of them, thick fiberglass hulls... The leaking is often with the teak deck and the stanchions, and many of the teak decks are eventually pulled off and fiberglass is put down so that is remedied completely. @@deerfootnz A teak deck doesn't last forever. The same was true in the time when boats were primarily built of wood. But with that said, new boats leak too! They are heavy, and they are slow, so I can't argue that.
@@TheSirensLog and heavy & slow is a safety issue: the circumstances under which these boats can sail out of trouble are very limited.
I can agree with that. @@deerfootnz We know that is a concern, but are prepared to do it.
I can't decide if you are really looking to buy a boat or just shilling sailboats. Lot of that going around on UA-cam these days.
Well be sure to let us know when you decide. 🤷♀️ I guess.
I’m just wondering- Do you own and live on a sailboat? And did you look at only one before you bought it? I would advise anyone to look at a number of boats before choosing one to buy. In our case, while we both work in the industry, I am more familiar with these boats than Hal, and I’ve had this plan for many years, and I sold my house to buy the boat, but he’s less familiar with these Taiwan builds so we are exploring our options together and showing the process of looking for the right boat for us. This is helpful for a lot of our viewers because they want a boat but have no idea what they’re looking at or what to look for. For Hal, he needs the headroom and not all of these boats offer that. So far, showing the process has worked out just fine for us. I can’t exactly help you if you don’t want to see it. There are plenty of other channels with people refitting boats or sailing them.
Get a CATAMARAN
I don’t want a catamaran
@@TheSirensLog u guys like only sailboat 👍👍
@@salvymaghari5965 We want to travel far, and I don’t want to cross oceans in a small powerboat. 🛥️
@@TheSirensLog so did u guys dock in heaven the Philippines
@@salvymaghari5965 one day we will! I would love to spend time there and find some good surf there.