Always love to hear anything John has to say. Thanks Peter. Here is a comment I previously posted when the traditional SDA interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was the subject of discussion: Those of us who are extremely familiar with the so-called 2300 day/year prophecy know, or should know, the following: 1) There is no biblical support of any kind for the so-called "year-day" principle of prophetic interpretation where the word "day" is used symbolically to mean "year." The word "day" is sometimes used in a formula, such as in Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6, but never as a symbol where the word "day" is intended to mean "year." 2) Daniel 8:14 does not use the word "day." 3) Scripture does not identify the beginning of the Daniel 8:14 "2300 evenings and mornings" period with sufficient exactitude to pinpoint the date that period of time began. 4) Daniel 8:14 is ambiguous as to whether 2300 "evenings and mornings" should be understood to mean "2300 literal days" or "1150 literal days." 5) Ellen White and company were obviously unaware that Daniel 8:14 does not use a word properly translated "cleansed," but instead uses a word properly translated "restored' or 'vindicated." 6) All knowledgeable historians and biblical scholars are aware that the Jerusalem temple was defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes, and was "restored" and "reconsecrated" during the Maccabean period -- an event celebrated by Jesus as Hanukkah. (John 10:22-23) Common sense tells anyone familiar with the New Testament that the notion that the bible predicts an event in heaven some 1800 years after Jesus' ascension has no rational or scriptural support, and was contrived to assuage the cognitive dissonance of a handful of people who could not come to terms with "the great disappointment."
Jim (or James) you've probably heard of Nordon W. Winger's paper "Syllabus and Source Material for the Seminar '1844, The Sanctuary, And The Investigative Judgment'" I originally got a hold of his typewritten version, and later he directed me to an online version that he had posted, I believe. This was from before 1995 sometime. When I got in touch with him he was working in another denomination. Anyway, he mentions 23 assumptions, some of which are interlocking, to support this 1844 theory. Definitely helpful. You've mentioned some of the issues above. Also, as you probably know, the words for morning and evening indicate a punctiliar point in time, not a broader period of time.
Solid post. I had to look the word “ assuage” up. Pastor Donald Barnhouse called the re-interpretation of the false prophet William Miller’s false prophecy, “The most colossal religious trickery in history. Naive and unimportant.” Adventists desperately want to be important- they aren’t. They are one million people talking to one another, and arguing with one another, in a continent with four hundred million people, North America.
@@MC-vw5jfThe book Cultic Doctrine has the 22 linked assumptions of William Miller. Miller was a false prophet. He’s responsible for people in eternal hell. Armstrongism, Hebrew roots, and Adventism have their beginning in Miller’s lies. The World Wide Church of God leadership repented, denounced Herbert Armstrong, and ordered almost the entire first printing of Cultic Doctrine. Ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff is responsible for Adventists being rescued from the burning ship that Adventism is. Glory to God.
@@MC-vw5jf Thanks MC. I had not heard of this resource. It is no surprise that Winger is able to cite "23 assumptions." It takes that many to contrive out of whole cloth a non-biblical theory about invisible events, taking place in an invisible place, effected by invisible beings, doing invisible -- and inscrutable -- things, during an indiscernible period of time, on which the eternal destiny of mankind hangs. Is "Good News" anywhere to be found in this debacle?
@jamesandres6312 It is really sad. I've known several scholar types that know about some of the problems, but they just go on teaching and presenting white papers and duking it out with or in the BRI and GC. They have no other source of income. When you think about it, there were folks in the ruling class in Jerusalem during Jesus' time facing the same type of dilemmas. They kept holding on in the system until they saw Jesus publicly humiliated and executed. I really find appealing the writer of Hebrews telling us to follow Jesus outside the camp. It's not about where we've been, it's where we're going -- following Jesus, if that's our decision. I really don't think people can realize how evil all this is, until they're completely out of the system for a while. In this interview John referenced the brainwashing that holds people. It think it's more than that -- something supernatural holding and blinding people. But we can pray that God will free some of these people.
Love to hear John R. He's such a wealth of information! Please keep having him on regularly. I love this channel, Peter. Thank you for sacrificing your sleep so we can hear great content. Keep it up!!
If you've sinned against God, aren't you going to hold onto God to receive forgiveness? What is that comment about? Of course we have to hold onto the Truth!
@@IamSomebodyWithHimTRUTH ? WHERE IN WILLIAM MILLER QUOTES OF PREDICTING DATES OF CHRIST RETURN WAS IT EVER ABOUT THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY CLEANSED? DID THE LIL HORN THE PAPACY STOP DEFILEMENT OF THE SANCTUARY AFTER 1844 AS PER THE VISION IN DANIEL 8 14
Answer: A lot of people sinned by trying to predict when Jesus would return when he explicitly said, Don’t Do That. So, they ended up in trouble and very, very sad. Yet, they were not sorry. They tried to tell more lies to cover up their very bad, very big sin. And then they made it even worse by trying to convince other people that they were right.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 Peter asked John a very interesting question. Have other predictors of the second advent changed the event and continued to proclaim the date was correct?
The veil was torn in 2 at Christ crucifixion Hebrews 10 19 20 Separating the holy place from the most holy place giving us direct access to God. Ellen G White is à false prophet
Ur comment privés why this reverse engineering ploy of sanctuary 1844 doctrine IS blasephemy. U cant go to bible to prove this insensé . Its cultic@@IamSomebodyWithHim
@@charnelallan7159 if I tell you, you won't believe me, so what's the point of me trying to tell you? Who was represented by the lamb that was slain? JESUS CHRIST. CORRECT! When the priest was bringing the annual sacrifices for the sins of the people, who did that sacrifice symbolise? Correct, Jesus Christ! When will the priest enter into the Holly Place, what was the requirement of that God asked of the people of Israel?! To sanctify themselves! While the priest was doing service in the Most Holly Place people were to stay humble and in tremor..isn't this a symbol of what Jesus is doing now? When He entered into the better covenant? Isn't he pleading for our sins before the Father? It's all in the Scriptures! Isn't He our lamb that was slain for us? Aren't we called to be humble and in tremor before Him for the anger of the Lamb will be revealed soon? How much more do you want to listen from the Truth of the Bible to be convinced, that earthly Sanctuary is a Symbol to the Heavenly service Jesus is doing for all humanity, including you and me? May GOD bless our minds to understand His truth and give us willingness and strenght to live according to that understating!!
@@cindiloowhoo1166 hope you are well and happy today Cindi. John Rosier has a lot of information. He says “ we” a lot. Is John an Adventist, do you know.” Is he one who still holds hope for the Adventist organization?
Yes, you are right about that! William Johnson was a pathetic human til he died. He absolutely revealed his life long cognitive dissonance. He looked perplexed and uncomfortable with Peter’s question. If nothing happened on October 22, 1844, then there is no reason for the Adventist organization to exist. That’s not my opinion only, it’s the opinion of President Ted Wilson and Adventist leaders. The primary function of the Adventist organization ( I refuse to call it a church), is to proclaim to the world present truth. No one knew what they were talking about, so God supposedly raised up a woman in New England to tell the truth to humans. Luther didn’t have the truth, so Ellen has proclaimed the truth to the world. Jesus moved from the Holy place in heaven to the most holy place and began to investigate his children who he placed on probation. Jesus is still trying to figure out who his children are. Raise your hand if you believe Ellen was speaking for almighty holy God. By the way, just to remind all of us- there is no temple in heaven. Jesus entered heaven itself, not a building in heaven.
Saul was never the same after his personal encounter with Jesus of Nazareth. His life was revolutionized. From Saul, a persecutor of the church, to Paul, a man who proclaimed the pure gospel message of liberty til he was killed for his testimonies.
It's so sad that the Karaites insist that the Day of Atonement can never be as late as the 22nd of October in any year -- not possible chronologically. Not sure why Samuel Snow claimed this, except maybe to get a bit more time.
Samuel Snow was a lunatic. He had long flowing hair, and rode around on a horse proclaiming he was Elijah. Adventists are not only blasphemous heretics, they are crazy.
Thankyou Peter for such an insightful intrrview. What has been shared lines up perfectly with my own research. SDAs need to put down the writings of the early pioneers and study the Bible and the Bible only and the truth will be clearly seen.
Bravo! John brings up BENJAMIN BEN MOSES NAHAWENDI. Right on! I first heard this from Raymond F. Cottrell while he was still with us. Since then I've seen a reference to an even earlier rabbi that used the day/year idea, but don't remember where I saw that. I used to use a memory crutch to help my children remember Nahawendi's name. Something about saying no to stopping at Wendy's for a chocolate shake. 🤣 Didn't work.
To my mind, all this date kerfuffle is totally irrelevant. Either you are “ready,” or you are not. If you get hit by a bus on the way home tonight ~ Today was The Date For You!
39:00 Bear in mind that with this type of thinking, if applied to all the scriptures, it nulifies the symbols right way! You can literally take any verse and teach others like this: "well if you read carefuly, you'll understand that what you read, it just means what it says and that's all!" Let's take Genesis 3:15, isn't this verse talking about Jesus Christ defeating satan? Well, if you read carefully, you'll just realise that it's not about Jesus Christ, it is just satan talking to Eve and that's all! Stop deceiving people, blind teachers!
Can you expand on what you’re saying. I’m not sure I understand yet what you mean. And btw I’d agree with your last statement. So yea. Please unpack more. It sounds interesting what you are saying.
Greetings, Peter! It might be nice to have a transcript available to follow along when it is hard to understand people’s speech (or at least I’m struggling here~~~)
Peter asked William Johnson if anything happened on October 22, 1844. The soy boy paused, looked dazed and w, and then said he didn’t know how to answer the question
John Rosier is living in a fantasy world. He says there needs to be a reformation in the Adventist Church. It’s not a church. It’s an abomination. Adventists need to repent and become born again Christians. That’s not a reformation- it’s salvation.
John says he was raised in an Adventist home without Ellen White which means he was not raised in an Adventist home. He says he has no hope Adventists wi change, but still remains in what he calls an Adventist community. What he needs to do is walk in the front door of a “ shotgun house” in New Orleans, and as he is about to walk out the back door , their a fire bomb behind him, and keep on walking.
And the answer is yes! Everyone of our true doctrinal positions can be proved from the Bible ALONE. I will also be hated for my position on this. The majority of our theologians have been trained in the schools of Babylon and are in sympathy with the popular churches who spend their lives trying to defend THEIR positions. They, like the Jews of Jesus' time did and do not understand the Scriptures because of their traditions. They don't understand or practice correct Bible interpretation as William Miller did. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. Isaiah 28:11 Miller's chronology was totally biblically correct so when Jesus did not come they all knew the mistake had to be something else. They studied more and prayed and fasted more so that accounts for the new position of the Investigative Judgment. The thing is all these fall neatly into the escatological teaching of Scripture in Daniel and Revelation.
Seriously? The Magic Light Bulb mysteriously switched on only 163 years ago, when Jesus Christ Himself established His Church over 2,000 years ago?!? The IJ is the most convoluted claptrap I’ve ever heard, all in an attempt to cover up the heretical lie of October 22, 1844. You should put quote marks around those phrases that you “borrowed” from EGW. Her style of speech is quite recognizable and easy to pluck out ~~~ Matthew 24:36 ~ 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only…” I do not hate you. I don’t even know you. However, you, yourself, have provided evidence that you do not think for yourself… That is sad.
Did u read the rest of the text it clearly says line upon line precepts upon precepts here a little there a little THAT THEY MAY FALL BACKWARDS. THAT THEY MAY BE BROKEN AND SNARNED. STOP LISTENING TO UR PASTORS PROOFTEXT SCRIPTURES READ IT FOR URSELF THATS NOT HOW WE R TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES. WAKE UP
We'll all be hated whatever side we're on, so you're not alone, Edith. We all have to go with our conscience. You make some good points. When I look at Daniel 8, I just don't see that our understanding of Daniel 8:14 answers the big question posed by the angel in Dan 8:13, the verse before. And then in verse 17, "Then he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision pertains to the time of the end.”" Biblical Studies Press. 2019. The NET Bible. Second Edition. Denmark: Thomas Nelson. How in the world can we see 457BC as being the end of the world? Even if all the dates add up, and from what I can tell, none of them do (I've spend a lot of time trying to justify each claimed date), the whole application doesn't match in intent of the prophecy.
The time, effort and devotion to these broadcasts could be much better used. Even if you don't believe that E G.White was a special messenger of God, has what she taught made anyone worse for it.? The Bible itself teaches what she has taught. Even her enemies testified to her godly life. She lived what she taught. 2Chronicles 20'20
Yes Edith, millions are in eternal hell right now with Ellen and James. Her life and lies have affected many. Her lies affect me everyday and I was never an Adventist. What an ignorant question? You are bewitched.
You have a 5 % chance of escaping eternal hell. Stay an Adventist and your ticket is punched for eternal hell. Leave Adventism and you will almost assuredly become an agnostic. Former Adventist Colleen Tinker runs Former Adventist Fellowship. She says they have very few former Adventists to counsel because former Adventist cultists become agnostic. You are not a Christian. You are going to eternal hell.
Definitely much worse! How many people have had their mental heath scrambled with all the negativity, fear-mongering, outright lies (your guardian angel will wait for you, weeping, outside the theatre doors), all the harmless things one mustn’t do (sports games books) instead of reading their Bible, total hypocrite, wino, con artist, grifter- no matter there is no more food for the children, don’t touch that tithe jar! Be perfect or straight to hellfire with you! She died a multi/millionaire with multiple homes. A nice big fat chemical laden roll of phoney baloney!!! One doesn’t simply leave the church ~ deprogramming is required!
Adventism can be a beacon of light to the world.’ - John Roseir. Adventists have only darkness, confusion, guilt, fear, and paranoia, to offer the world. If only they would change their position, John? If only pigs could fly.
Ray, I'll give you a personal rethorical question, what happened to you in your life that you'll end up saying such words about a church that spreads the light in the world?
You don’t get to pick and choose Adventist doctrine you like and discard those you don’t like. You either support all of Ellen’s lies or you aren’t an Adventist. John can’t leave Adventism.
@@edithdotson7603 I’m not avoiding anything. I was an Alaskan fisherman. I have more courage than all the Adventist effeminate soy boys combined. I knew I was dead several times. No one belongs in Alaskan waters except fish and whales. As for shallow- Adventists are a shallow pool. How many times have you said “ Sabbath was made for msn man.”
@@edithdotson7603 hey, it’s your golden calf idol day. Your fantasy holy day. Did you know judaizer dog- that Jesus never ever met with his disciples on the seventh day of the week in the 40 day time span from his resurrection to his ascension.
@@dannychatel7117 actually I got it wrong - Daughter of the devil Ellen White pontificated this:”Tea and coffee drinking is a sin. An injurious indulgence which like other evils, injures the soul.” - Ellen White- counsels on diet and health. Page 425 paragraph 3. Coffee and teas injure your soul according to Ellen who pontificated all of her writings were barricaded by a thus saith the Lord. Starbucks is injuring people’s souls.
Come on John! You don’t know why Adventism exists or was started? The mission of Adventism has always been to correct wrong interpretations of scripture, and bring the people who didn’t know what they were talking about into the only last days remnant church. If you don’t know, now you know.
Always love to hear anything John has to say. Thanks Peter. Here is a comment I previously posted when the traditional SDA interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was the subject of discussion:
Those of us who are extremely familiar with the so-called 2300 day/year prophecy know, or should know, the following:
1) There is no biblical support of any kind for the so-called "year-day" principle of prophetic interpretation where the word "day" is used symbolically to mean "year." The word "day" is sometimes used in a formula, such as in Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6, but never as a symbol where the word "day" is intended to mean "year."
2) Daniel 8:14 does not use the word "day."
3) Scripture does not identify the beginning of the Daniel 8:14 "2300 evenings and mornings" period with sufficient exactitude to pinpoint the date that period of time began.
4) Daniel 8:14 is ambiguous as to whether 2300 "evenings and mornings" should be understood to mean "2300 literal days" or "1150 literal days."
5) Ellen White and company were obviously unaware that Daniel 8:14 does not use a word properly translated "cleansed," but instead uses a word properly translated "restored' or 'vindicated."
6) All knowledgeable historians and biblical scholars are aware that the Jerusalem temple was defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes, and was "restored" and "reconsecrated" during the Maccabean period -- an event celebrated by Jesus as Hanukkah. (John 10:22-23)
Common sense tells anyone familiar with the New Testament that the notion that the bible predicts an event in heaven some 1800 years after Jesus' ascension has no rational or scriptural support, and was contrived to assuage the cognitive dissonance of a handful of people who could not come to terms with "the great disappointment."
Jim (or James) you've probably heard of Nordon W. Winger's paper "Syllabus and Source Material for the Seminar '1844, The Sanctuary, And The Investigative Judgment'" I originally got a hold of his typewritten version, and later he directed me to an online version that he had posted, I believe. This was from before 1995 sometime. When I got in touch with him he was working in another denomination. Anyway, he mentions 23 assumptions, some of which are interlocking, to support this 1844 theory. Definitely helpful. You've mentioned some of the issues above. Also, as you probably know, the words for morning and evening indicate a punctiliar point in time, not a broader period of time.
Solid post. I had to look the word “ assuage” up. Pastor Donald Barnhouse called the re-interpretation of the false prophet William Miller’s false prophecy, “The most colossal religious trickery in history. Naive and unimportant.” Adventists desperately want to be important- they aren’t. They are one million people talking to one another, and arguing with one another, in a continent with four hundred million people, North America.
@@MC-vw5jfThe book Cultic Doctrine has the 22 linked assumptions of William Miller. Miller was a false prophet. He’s responsible for people in eternal hell. Armstrongism, Hebrew roots, and Adventism have their beginning in Miller’s lies. The World Wide Church of God leadership repented, denounced Herbert Armstrong, and ordered almost the entire first printing of Cultic Doctrine. Ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff is responsible for Adventists being rescued from the burning ship that Adventism is. Glory to God.
@@MC-vw5jf Thanks MC. I had not heard of this resource. It is no surprise that Winger is able to cite "23 assumptions." It takes that many to contrive out of whole cloth a non-biblical theory about invisible events, taking place in an invisible place, effected by invisible beings, doing invisible -- and inscrutable -- things, during an indiscernible period of time, on which the eternal destiny of mankind hangs. Is "Good News" anywhere to be found in this debacle?
@jamesandres6312 It is really sad. I've known several scholar types that know about some of the problems, but they just go on teaching and presenting white papers and duking it out with or in the BRI and GC. They have no other source of income. When you think about it, there were folks in the ruling class in Jerusalem during Jesus' time facing the same type of dilemmas. They kept holding on in the system until they saw Jesus publicly humiliated and executed. I really find appealing the writer of Hebrews telling us to follow Jesus outside the camp. It's not about where we've been, it's where we're going -- following Jesus, if that's our decision.
I really don't think people can realize how evil all this is, until they're completely out of the system for a while. In this interview John referenced the brainwashing that holds people. It think it's more than that -- something supernatural holding and blinding people. But we can pray that God will free some of these people.
Love to hear John R. He's such a wealth of information! Please keep having him on regularly. I love this channel, Peter. Thank you for sacrificing your sleep so we can hear great content. Keep it up!!
Is John Rosier an Adventist cultist?
@@rayray4192 I don’t know his membership status.
I do know he doesn’t believe in EGW nor 1844/ Investigative Judgment.
Will do! And I’m so glad you love the show! Your encouragement really helps! Thank you!
It's always great to hear from John Rosier!
Alright, Peter! Awesome interview and awesome guest. Please thank him for us. And thanks for holding a midnight vigil for us!
The awesome guest is still an Adventist cultist.
🎉🎉🎉 I’m a night owl :D
@@rayray4192 😱
Wow , over a hundred members. Former Adventist pastor Mark Martin is pastor of a fellowship in Phoenix Arizona with 12,000 members. Real Christianity.
Great Stuff! John is amazing ! We love John the best historian I know. He is well read and researched.
He blows 1844 out the ball park.
John amazingly still calms himself an Adventist. Pathetic
Couldn't agree more! How are you guys? Would love you back on the show!
Luke 21:8 being read might have stopped anyone following Miller at all.
The church sadly needs to hold on to 1844 to defend the sanctuary doctrine and the investigative judgement
If you've sinned against God, aren't you going to hold onto God to receive forgiveness? What is that comment about? Of course we have to hold onto the Truth!
REALLY??????,,,WHERE???have you been all these years
P R U Seriously? After all u. Heard ? Ur in a cult. @@IamSomebodyWithHim
@IamSomebodyWitAfter listening to John and u make such comment shows u lack basic wisdom.
@@IamSomebodyWithHimTRUTH ? WHERE IN WILLIAM MILLER QUOTES OF PREDICTING DATES OF CHRIST RETURN WAS IT EVER ABOUT THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY CLEANSED? DID THE LIL HORN THE PAPACY STOP DEFILEMENT OF THE SANCTUARY AFTER 1844 AS PER THE VISION IN DANIEL 8 14
He's right ... we're not supposed to try to figure it out . Only He knows....
Answer: A lot of people sinned by trying to predict when Jesus would return when he explicitly said, Don’t Do That. So, they ended up in trouble and very, very sad. Yet, they were not sorry. They tried to tell more lies to cover up their very bad, very big sin. And then they made it even worse by trying to convince other people that they were right.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 Peter asked John a very interesting question. Have other predictors of the second advent changed the event and continued to proclaim the date was correct?
@@rayray4192 I’m having a very hard time hearing John. Some tech issue on his end maybe. I do not know the answers to your question.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 John mumbles. Peter is easy to listen to and understand. I’d John still an Adventist heretic!
Beautiful music and scenery. Snowing at my place in Oregon. Snow will be measured in feet rather than inches.
Thought: everyone is living in the last days. Their very own last days. No one knows how or when their last breath will be.
The historical account of the maccabbean revolt and dedication of the sanctuary and John 10 :22 would throw the sda sanctuary doctrine out the window
You'll then have to go and pick your mind from wherever you threw it over the window! For the truth about the Sanctuary includes you too!
The veil was torn in 2 at Christ crucifixion Hebrews 10 19 20
Separating the holy place from the most holy place giving us direct access to God. Ellen G White is à false prophet
Ur comment privés why this reverse engineering ploy of sanctuary 1844 doctrine IS blasephemy. U cant go to bible to prove this insensé . Its cultic@@IamSomebodyWithHim
@@IamSomebodyWithHimwhat sanctuary thé one governed by thé lévites ? For crying out loud . WE R under a New covenant
@@charnelallan7159 if I tell you, you won't believe me, so what's the point of me trying to tell you? Who was represented by the lamb that was slain? JESUS CHRIST. CORRECT! When the priest was bringing the annual sacrifices for the sins of the people, who did that sacrifice symbolise? Correct, Jesus Christ! When will the priest enter into the Holly Place, what was the requirement of that God asked of the people of Israel?! To sanctify themselves! While the priest was doing service in the Most Holly Place people were to stay humble and in tremor..isn't this a symbol of what Jesus is doing now? When He entered into the better covenant? Isn't he pleading for our sins before the Father? It's all in the Scriptures! Isn't He our lamb that was slain for us? Aren't we called to be humble and in tremor before Him for the anger of the Lamb will be revealed soon? How much more do you want to listen from the Truth of the Bible to be convinced, that earthly Sanctuary is a Symbol to the Heavenly service Jesus is doing for all humanity, including you and me?
May GOD bless our minds to understand His truth and give us willingness and strenght to live according to that understating!!
“ You are living on the lunatic asylum planet.” - Des Ford.
TRUTH?!!!
@@cindiloowhoo1166 hope you are well and happy today Cindi. John Rosier has a lot of information. He says “ we” a lot. Is John an Adventist, do you know.” Is he one who still holds hope for the Adventist organization?
Hi Edwin kotttttoo
Listen and learn EDWIN
@@rayray4192I don’t recall ever even hearing his name ~ maybe I need to branch out a tad more ~
I remember watching him asking William Johnnson that . His response was very revealing .
His response was epic! Love it🤣🤣🤣
Yes, you are right about that! William Johnson was a pathetic human til he died. He absolutely revealed his life long cognitive dissonance. He looked perplexed and uncomfortable with Peter’s question. If nothing happened on October 22, 1844, then there is no reason for the Adventist organization to exist. That’s not my opinion only, it’s the opinion of President Ted Wilson and Adventist leaders. The primary function of the Adventist organization ( I refuse to call it a church), is to proclaim to the world present truth. No one knew what they were talking about, so God supposedly raised up a woman in New England to tell the truth to humans. Luther didn’t have the truth, so Ellen has proclaimed the truth to the world. Jesus moved from the Holy place in heaven to the most holy place and began to investigate his children who he placed on probation. Jesus is still trying to figure out who his children are. Raise your hand if you believe Ellen was speaking for almighty holy God. By the way, just to remind all of us- there is no temple in heaven. Jesus entered heaven itself, not a building in heaven.
Who is William Johnson please?
@@cindiloowhoo1166 Whoo hooo. William Johnson was the editor of the Adventist Review. James White was the first editor.,
@@rayray4192 Thanks rayray!
Saul was never the same after his personal encounter with Jesus of Nazareth. His life was revolutionized. From Saul, a persecutor of the church, to Paul, a man who proclaimed the pure gospel message of liberty til he was killed for his testimonies.
Just googled “Year 1588.” Thirty-two, 32, different calendars came up!!!
It's so sad that the Karaites insist that the Day of Atonement can never be as late as the 22nd of October in any year -- not possible chronologically. Not sure why Samuel Snow claimed this, except maybe to get a bit more time.
Samuel Snow was a lunatic. He had long flowing hair, and rode around on a horse proclaiming he was Elijah. Adventists are not only blasphemous heretics, they are crazy.
Thankyou Peter for such an insightful intrrview. What has been shared lines up perfectly with my own research. SDAs need to put down the writings of the early pioneers and study the Bible and the Bible only and the truth will be clearly seen.
Bravo! John brings up BENJAMIN BEN MOSES NAHAWENDI. Right on! I first heard this from Raymond F. Cottrell while he was still with us. Since then I've seen a reference to an even earlier rabbi that used the day/year idea, but don't remember where I saw that. I used to use a memory crutch to help my children remember Nahawendi's name. Something about saying no to stopping at Wendy's for a chocolate shake. 🤣 Didn't work.
To my mind, all this date kerfuffle is totally irrelevant. Either you are “ready,” or you are not. If you get hit by a bus on the way home tonight ~ Today was The Date For You!
I just googled John Rosier - many hits re him being a financial investor- is that the same guy.
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Bear in mind that with this type of thinking, if applied to all the scriptures, it nulifies the symbols right way! You can literally take any verse and teach others like this: "well if you read carefuly, you'll understand that what you read, it just means what it says and that's all!" Let's take Genesis 3:15, isn't this verse talking about Jesus Christ defeating satan? Well, if you read carefully, you'll just realise that it's not about Jesus Christ, it is just satan talking to Eve and that's all!
Stop deceiving people, blind teachers!
Can you expand on what you’re saying. I’m not sure I understand yet what you mean. And btw I’d agree with your last statement. So yea. Please unpack more. It sounds interesting what you are saying.
Cognitive dissonance IS Ur diagnosis
Even though the Bible says that no one knows the time of Jesus' return
R u kidding the very thing scriptures says DO NOT DO UR PIONEERS DID? THEY WERE FALSE PROPHETS
Sorry I sent u à comment m'y apologies GOD bless
Greetings, Peter!
It might be nice to have a transcript available to follow along when it is hard to understand people’s speech (or at least I’m struggling here~~~)
I think there is a transcript button here somewhere. Also I understand Gillian Ford may be transcribing this one. I’ll check with her.
Peter asked William Johnson if anything happened on October 22, 1844. The soy boy paused, looked dazed and w, and then said he didn’t know how to answer the question
John Rosier is living in a fantasy world. He says there needs to be a reformation in the Adventist Church. It’s not a church. It’s an abomination. Adventists need to repent and become born again Christians. That’s not a reformation- it’s salvation.
What does it matter that he didn't have an answer? What actually happened then?
@@benjamindantzie8053WAT MATTERS FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ÉDITORIAL ADMIN OF THE GC? THATS VERY TELLING😮
adventismis in trouble with world history. TELL ME HIW WAS THE SANCTUARY CLEANSED IN 1844?
@@charnelallan7159I see. Tell me more please.
Does anyone have the links to the articles or presentations on this topic that cover what John is discussing?
What documentation is John reading g from in relation to Miller's use of Isaiah 7:8 and 2nd chronicles?
None of those other date setters had the Ellen prophet. Wonder if any of the other date setters had the spirit of Ellen amongst them?
Watching
8:36 AM in the great Pacific Northwest of America. Blowing snow. It’s definitely winter. Time to our another log on the fire.
I’m in Chicago - 1:45p - snow might stop seek after next.
Twas about 50 on Christmas.
@rayray, how is coffee and tea a sin, where in Scripture does it say that?
He was being sarcastic... ✌️
In the Great Fishbowl of Life, who is John Rosier?
John says he is part of an Adventist community of 100. He’s insignificant and can’t leave the Adventist demonic cult. He’s trapped
John says he was raised in an Adventist home without Ellen White which means he was not raised in an Adventist home. He says he has no hope Adventists wi change, but still remains in what he calls an Adventist community. What he needs to do is walk in the front door of a “ shotgun house” in New Orleans, and as he is about to walk out the back door , their a fire bomb behind him, and keep on walking.
Please do a show on the Christian Connection.
Dale radcliff passed? God bless his soul
Ohhh ~ A very sad loss! Heartfelt condolences to family and friends ~
And the answer is yes! Everyone of our true doctrinal positions can be proved from the Bible ALONE. I will also be hated for my position on this. The majority of our theologians have been trained in the schools of Babylon and are in sympathy with the popular churches who spend their lives trying to defend THEIR positions. They, like the Jews of Jesus' time did and do not understand the Scriptures because of their traditions.
They don't understand or practice correct Bible interpretation as William Miller did. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. Isaiah 28:11 Miller's chronology was totally biblically correct so when Jesus did not come they all knew the mistake had to be something else. They studied more and prayed and fasted more so that accounts for the new position of the Investigative Judgment. The thing is all these fall neatly into the escatological teaching of Scripture in Daniel and Revelation.
Seriously? The Magic Light Bulb mysteriously switched on only 163 years ago, when Jesus Christ Himself established His Church over 2,000 years ago?!?
The IJ is the most convoluted claptrap I’ve ever heard, all in an attempt to cover up the heretical lie of October 22, 1844.
You should put quote marks around those phrases that you “borrowed” from EGW. Her style of speech is quite recognizable and easy to pluck out ~~~
Matthew 24:36 ~
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only…”
I do not hate you. I don’t even know you. However, you, yourself, have provided evidence that you do not think for yourself… That is sad.
Did u read the rest of the text it clearly says line upon line precepts upon precepts here a little there a little THAT THEY MAY FALL BACKWARDS. THAT THEY MAY BE BROKEN AND SNARNED.
STOP LISTENING TO UR PASTORS PROOFTEXT SCRIPTURES READ IT FOR URSELF THATS NOT HOW WE R TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES. WAKE UP
Context, Context, Context!!!
Not personal, proof-text plucking!
I am quite sure I posted another reply to this post. Am I being censored?
We'll all be hated whatever side we're on, so you're not alone, Edith. We all have to go with our conscience. You make some good points. When I look at Daniel 8, I just don't see that our understanding of Daniel 8:14 answers the big question posed by the angel in Dan 8:13, the verse before. And then in verse 17, "Then he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision pertains to the time of the end.”"
Biblical Studies Press. 2019. The NET Bible. Second Edition. Denmark: Thomas Nelson.
How in the world can we see 457BC as being the end of the world? Even if all the dates add up, and from what I can tell, none of them do (I've spend a lot of time trying to justify each claimed date), the whole application doesn't match in intent of the prophecy.
The time, effort and devotion to these broadcasts could be much better used. Even if you don't believe that E G.White was a special messenger of God, has what she taught made anyone worse for it.? The Bible itself teaches what she has taught. Even her enemies testified to her godly life. She lived what she taught. 2Chronicles 20'20
Yes Edith, millions are in eternal hell right now with Ellen and James. Her life and lies have affected many. Her lies affect me everyday and I was never an Adventist. What an ignorant question? You are bewitched.
Who are you to make a proclamation that these videos are a waste of time?
Anytime error is revealed people benefit.
You have a 5 % chance of escaping eternal hell. Stay an Adventist and your ticket is punched for eternal hell. Leave Adventism and you will almost assuredly become an agnostic. Former Adventist Colleen Tinker runs Former Adventist Fellowship. She says they have very few former Adventists to counsel because former Adventist cultists become agnostic. You are not a Christian. You are going to eternal hell.
Definitely much worse! How many people have had their mental heath scrambled with all the negativity, fear-mongering, outright lies (your guardian angel will wait for you, weeping, outside the theatre doors), all the harmless things one mustn’t do (sports games books) instead of reading their Bible, total hypocrite, wino, con artist, grifter- no matter there is no more food for the children, don’t touch that tithe jar! Be perfect or straight to hellfire with you! She died a multi/millionaire with multiple homes.
A nice big fat chemical laden roll of phoney baloney!!!
One doesn’t simply leave the church ~ deprogramming is required!
Adventism can be a beacon of light to the world.’ - John Roseir. Adventists have only darkness, confusion, guilt, fear, and paranoia, to offer the world. If only they would change their position, John? If only pigs could fly.
Ray, I'll give you a personal rethorical question, what happened to you in your life that you'll end up saying such words about a church that spreads the light in the world?
Really ? R u deaf?@@IamSomebodyWithHim
@@charnelallan7159 praise God, I still hear, really!
You don’t get to pick and choose Adventist doctrine you like and discard those you don’t like. You either support all of Ellen’s lies or you aren’t an Adventist. John can’t leave Adventism.
I have hot green tea Peter.
If you grew up without Ellen White then you did not grow up as an Adventist.
Thought this video was live.
I don’t care about dates. The only day that matters is today. This is the day that the Lord has made. A day to rejoice and be glad.
A very shallow way of reasoning. Anything to avoid the plainly taught teaching of the Sabbath in Scripture and other teachings that involve time.
@@edithdotson7603 I’m not avoiding anything. I was an Alaskan fisherman. I have more courage than all the Adventist effeminate soy boys combined. I knew I was dead several times. No one belongs in Alaskan waters except fish and whales. As for shallow- Adventists are a shallow pool. How many times have you said “ Sabbath was made for msn man.”
Is there a way to reason with these guys? @@edithdotson7603
They're really good in Palm Springs. Got some there during a sand storm.
@@edithdotson7603 hey, it’s your golden calf idol day. Your fantasy holy day. Did you know judaizer dog- that Jesus never ever met with his disciples on the seventh day of the week in the 40 day time span from his resurrection to his ascension.
Coffee and tea drinking is a sin Peter- like other evils, injurious to your health. 😇
Examine the List of Ingredients on your Vegepukky and get your B12 levels checked…
And don’t eat the potluck casserole that has 4 cups of cheese in it ~~~
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@@dannychatel7117 actually I got it wrong - Daughter of the devil Ellen White pontificated this:”Tea and coffee drinking is a sin. An injurious indulgence which like other evils, injures the soul.” - Ellen White- counsels on diet and health. Page 425 paragraph 3. Coffee and teas injure your soul according to Ellen who pontificated all of her writings were barricaded by a thus saith the Lord. Starbucks is injuring people’s souls.
Bible doesn't say this, Ellen W did, copying from earlier sources. But plagiarism and lying are deadly sins!
Address October 23, 1851 please.
Come on John! You don’t know why Adventism exists or was started? The mission of Adventism has always been to correct wrong interpretations of scripture, and bring the people who didn’t know what they were talking about into the only last days remnant church. If you don’t know, now you know.