The BEST 3 dot iron sights and how to use them - and a cheap sight mod! (why 3 dot sights suck!)
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- We take a look at how you properly use iron sights, and my opinions on three dot sights. The truth is that 3 dot sights are not a very good sighting system. They cause more visual distraction than they provide benefit - and if you're using them to aim at your target - there is a great chance that you're being hugely inaccurate.
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Since I am 2 weeks away from being 67 years of age, my favorite "iron" sight is an RDS. 😏 Otherwise, blacked out rear with fiber front sight.
Good choice!
@@TheHumbleMarksmanIt's easy when your selection is limited.😏
@@TheHumbleMarksman Cut the target in half ?
@@TheHumbleMarksman what do u think of ameriglo u notch with a blacked out rear. and ameriglo agent sights are a no go??
My blacked rear sight is starting to get blurry on my iron sight set up… suggestions?
Only one small pedantic correction: Bullseye shooters have a 6 O'clock hold on the black of the target ring. That way the black on black sights are against white paper and they can tangentially touch the bottom edge of the back to assure a perfect center hold (still using equal light/height) and they are set so that the bullet will impact the ~2-3inches high right in the X-ring.
Eh true target sights set up for bullseye - sure - most sights from the factory will not be 6 o’clock
@@TheHumbleMarksman I don't disagree. But you said bullseye shooters use the bisecting technique when they actually don't. Like I said, pedantic correction.
Target shooting with blacked out sights is fine. Daylight with blacked out sights is fine. But dim light such as in a room, at night, with average light is another story. The night sights, (misnomer) will help to get a good, if rough, sight alignment and you can then put the front sight on the target and fire. If the light is so dim you can't identify your target, don't fire. Always make sure of your target and backstop.
For carry "irons" I prefer Orange front and blacked out rears (Trijicon HD). One point about fiber optic front sight (especially in competition), the coating around the fiber optic will get dirty and scratched fairly quickly, so changing the fiber often can really help in picking up the crispness. A gunsmith showed me his trick, (fingernail clippers) to easily cut the old fiber from sight as well as trim the replacement before melting the ends.
I don't have an issue with my fibers too bad - but I like a dimmer pipe
Interesting observation, I always wondered why I find I've gotten worse at irons since I moved primarily to red dot shooting, but I have noted my handguns with blacked out rear sights I'm much more competent with,than the 3 dot counterparts I own.
3 dots are a tragedy.
Its a tragedy to use sights in a gunfight...but thats my experience...anyways what about the blacked out back with the one dot in the middle ,for target practice of course...wouldn't that be easier to aline an 8(two dots)or one dot with absolutely no reference to where you front sight should be EXACT!! ?
My preferred pistol irons are three dot. And yes, I know the dots go away when using a WML. That doesn't bother me because my sights are now just notch and post, which are still easy to use. I have tried blacked out rears and I can't get the front and rear aligned as I have no reference as to where the front dot is supposed to go. Blacked out target sights are easier for me to use than just a blacked out rear.
First time shooting my G17 with a vortex dot on it in low light with an Olight valkyrie pl2 on it and my dot was gone as well. This is why I strongly recommend training in low light for everyone. It's a whole new ballgame then support hand in low light also.
Absolutely - with a WML in an enclosed space with a high power light it washes out your dot unless you're on 9 or 10
The only small reasons to go with night sights I found is they can help get the sights oriented in the dark before hitting the weapon light. Finding the gun in the night stand in the dark. Or in the rare case you have a pistol silencer with regular height sights. In low light you can line up the sight with 2 or 3 dot night sights.
Yeah seeing your gun in the dark is the best thing I can come up with on night sights.
Exactly,lmao 🤣 😂 😆
Night sights are perfect for finding your gun in the dark when your half asleep ,Thats it 😴...
Seems like such a niche thing, might as well get fibers.
A spare gun should have night sights because lights might fail, and your SO may not activate the light properly under stress.
@@mrmarcus6138 lol nope.
Hey Humble. I agree with you on everything you said about the sights! Except for the 2 dot night sights only because honestly I've never tried it. I can't support, advise, or agree with something I haven't tried myself. Personally I've enjoyed the multi colored 3 dot sights for night shoots if I'm using irons. However in the daytime, I've noticed a huge improvement with blacked out rears. Sight alignment is so much faster, which in turn makes me faster on the gun. Appreciate your content with real experience! Cheers!
TFX Pro’s on my primary CCW/CCL, & range use-Tricked out CZ 75 B. Trijicon HD’s on a rarely used secondary CCW/CCL-Walther PPS M2. Run Dawson FO’s (personal favorites) with blacked out rear irons on an HK VP9, W/Streamlight LED as well an HK USP (home defense, range & vehicle use). Finally Aimpoint’s on two converted SBR’s-HK SP5K, & a CZ Scorpion Micro K for everything else.
Officially a loyal fan of your content. I was looking for an ideal back up site for my new ccw that has a red dot. I got a weapon light on order and had no idea about the lights over riding the tritium or fiber optic from showing! This is a win win. I wanted blacked out anyways to not have 2 dots in my screen and now that just gave me the confirmation I needed. Thank you!
I hope your ccw is for target practice,I have experience,I used to be into all these sights and things for my guns,because I love guns,but the truth is sights Were useless for me when I got carjacked I never once looked at my sites never once!!! All I did was take out my gun and let loose, I'm OK and the 3 carjackers got caught one hour later robbing somebody else...
So practice being a fast draw !! And stay alert in public ...🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏😎
@@mrmarcus6138 with this logic you showcase, what’s the point in anyone having sights than? I would argue it’s definitely better to have them than not have them. My ccw is 100% for target practice…and hopefully it stays that way. Obviously being fast at withdraw and a decent shot is part of target practice with a ccw pistol. Your response contradicts itself entirely. Optics and sights definitely matter on any firearm that someone may have. It’s not like they get in the way..they can only offer a higher probability of hitting a target, especially combined with speed. But I guess sights and confirmation of being on the right target doesn’t matter to you. Speed is all you need 😂
@@CadenMichnal No,I'm really accurate with my trijicon HDs but I DO like the combination of both speed & accuracy even further,also instincts,sights are obviously needed,jeez 🙄,but what's the point of SUPER-DUPER ACCURACY if your slow and get shot first,lol soon im trying out some xs big dots ,so I like sights,I like everything to do with GUNS(my hobby)so keep shooting at targets every 10 seconds lol,remember your responsibility once you pull that trigger,(if you ever get a chance)to each his own my bro...🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎✌
@@mrmarcus6138 This is where you are taking things out of context. My first comment was simply about what sites that I would go with. I have never mentioned anything about being a slow shooter or underminded the importance of speed. You assuming that I prioritize sites and accuracy over speed is an assumption. Accuracy and speed are both equally as important.
@@CadenMichnal I agree 👍
Proctor Y-Notch is a great fiber optic.
Attended Glock school @Smyrna. The Ameriglo red w/ tritium gives the brightness of fiber for daytime indoor use. I’m leaning towards that for my carry gun. M&P 2.0 👍🏻
I never tried the Y notch but have heard good things
Your opinion is good . Mine is ; if you practice enough any sight will work just fine . “ if I just had this gun “ “ if I just had those sights or red dot “ ect... ect... . Spend your money on ammo and land (acres)
Any can work- some work better. The precision I can shoot with with most OEM sights versus well machined target sights is notably different. Good sights matter
Three years later I find this vid relevant.Thanks!
I only have 5 pistols, 4 of them have some kind of HiVis sight, TruGlow TFX Pros. My EDC Has a 507C. I blame that on you sir! I was lucky enough to have a text msg type of exchanges with you and two other commentators. Between you, Aron, and Colin Noir I've learned a lot form ya'll and still do. Colin started a series of videos from his " I don't like MRDS on pistols. " He went to some academe in the Northeast,either Sig or one of the other "brand" names. Now he's up to three videos strictly on red dots. Enjoy all your videos sir. Thank you for making them
red dots are the way.
Totally agree, I use blacked out rear and a fiber optic front, I've been kinda rough With it, but if the fiber breaks, carry a spare piece, and a lighter then BOOM!!! It's fixed. But I do wanna give the I dots, or something like that a try, I haven't used night sights a lot, but those would be my choice as well.
I use the X-ray 3 dot glow in the dark green tritium irons but i believe that you should use whatever sights fit you as the shooter best.
I put Tru Glo TFX Pro orange front white rear two white dots on my SIG P320 Compact 9mm. These work great for me. I am 58 years of youthful age and wearing no line trifocals. I work in a grave shift security setting where I am required to carry. These sights are comfortable to me. I say carry what is comfortable to you.
I have the XS Big Dot sight and I actually shoot quite well with it. To each their own.
That’s like a 2 dot sight
True..however the main problem is having all 3 dots being the same color.....if the front dot is a strong red or green and the rears are white problem solved......they can be painted a lot cheaper for $20 than replacing the entire sights for $100....and the triangle of Speed Sights works well....
There's a video by Honest Outlaw where his rear sight falls off and he continues to ring steel using just the front sight. Some have even taped over the sights during practice because you might not have time to find sights in a defensive situation.
Kyle Defoor has a black out sight from Ameriglo. Also a tritium front version. Kyle has written a great article on sight width. He explains a sight width .117” is width of head at 25 yards.
They aren’t bad. I have some
Love the ball and and post.............always a winner - my Sig 226, my Walther P5, etc etc
I have a beater Glock where I just turned the rear sight around backward so it is a black rear white front.
My preferred sights are red dots (like them even better then green dot, go figure). That said, I'm gonna try blacking out some 3 dot iron sights I'm still using on a few guns and see what happens. Thanks for the tip/experiment! I also need to go check out your shooting left tips. I've recently developed a shooting left issue that seems to be concurrent with me greatly improving my shooting low/flinching issue. It's a process 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly been shooting with 3 dots for so long I’m just used to them. however, I’ve been given a lot of recommendations for the fiber front/blacked out rear set up so I think I’m gonna go ahead and try it for once
I'm an amateur target pistol shooter- thanks for saving me some headaches with this video.
Heinie Slant Pro are the best non adjustables i have encountered of the 30 (or therabouts) sight systems i have tried for extended periods of time.
For adjustables, LPA target sights usually is the winner for me, no matter what the type of competition is that i participate in. I also add "sight-soot" to futher the contrast of the sights.
I like the Heinie sights a lot.
Very informative. I felt comfortable with the 3 dot site on the Beretta but found I am more accurate with the Sig having the lower 2 dot site
You cant see blacked out sights in the dark during a home invasion.
Interesting perspective.
My 1911 came with with a Heine look alike fiber optic sight. Works very well with my eyes.
Very good description on proper use of sights esp. if you are a target competitor shooter. However, defensive target acquisition shooters are not as interested in an “X” shot, but a target mass hit and defensively within 30 feet (10yds) and very quickly. Sights that are optically up and in front, not having to search for the sight either front post or rear slot (the window). I have a-platform for target precise as I can performance, but my carry is sighted for quick on mass acquisition and followups regardless of ambient lighting. I prefer the HIVIS H3 with Tritium and Fiber Optics as well on my G43 a TLR-6 with yes a LASER, pointer. At 76yo and in low to dark settings my aging eyes prefer the DOT on target-PULL.
Suppressor height because they are larger and easier to pick up quickly. Blacked out serrated rear. High vis yellow or orange ring front with a tritium tube in the middle. Best iron sight set up in my testing.
I added 3 dot night sights, Trijicon Surpressor style. New Glock 22 MOS .40 gen 5. They large sights are easy to see, quick to aim. The - is the size, ccw. I've had no major problems using the Glock 22 MOS.
how are supporessor height sights easier to pickup quickly? lmao
I have stock glock 19 sights. I sharpied the white on rear sites, gonna test this week
3 dot, orange front, green rear… I’m ADHD and I find it soothing!😅
Back up the bus! Please do not just throw out comments like (I paraphrase) Big Dots are not a winner. WHY NOT?
My favorite sights are the dot-dash, two-dot'ish sights that came on my Sigs purchased ~92. They are similar to the XS Big Dots, by way of the dot (front) dash (rear).
I throw those out because based on experience attempting to perform at a high level- I believe it to be true. For lower levels of performance anything can work.
Using Meprolight FT Bullseye sight myself on my Masada. For those that don't know there are two different sights as well. European sights and American Sights. Euro sights aim low, American sights aim high. So bullseye sight picture will be different between the two types.
Q miras meproligth ft bullseyes le comprastes la trasera o la delantera para la masada , que tal te va con ellas
My favorite sights are the ones that came on my Hellcat osp. That tritium front with that rear U notch is awesome.
Best sights for me are a large flat blacked out rear and a fiber optic front. The Shadow 2 has great sights from the factory.
Shadow 2 sights are great
@@TheHumbleMarksman how about the tanfoglio stock III sights sir?
I need a little help, this past Dec i got a Beretta 92X Performance Carry Optic for Christmas. The gun came with a fiber optic front sight that's not at all bright. I'm not sure if it is defective or if they are not overly bright to begin with. I need something that darts out as my vision isn't the best. Are those sights usually dull even at an outdoor shooting range in bright Florida sunshine or is there obviously something amiss about mine? Any help would be appreciated!
I like my trijicon HDs with a yellow front sight on my P2KSK. I also have these in orange on my CZP01 and Sp01. Also as a test, just picked up Night Fisions with a yellow front for my G26. Similar sight picture but sit a little lower than the HDs.
I hear good things on night fision but I haven't messed with them.
I'm a Trijicon HD guy as well. Thought about getting a pair of Ameriglo Idots to try out but I can't justify switching things out just for preference. I think you can train to get acclimated with the sights you have.
@@user-pv9pv4xf9c so you prefer Ameriglo but don't want what you prefer on your gun ? Explain ,that makes no sense to me,I put whatever I prefer in my firearms,not what commercials or these youtubers recomend,one person will say there Great then the next serious shooter for over 20 years say its garbage ,HELLO UA-cam is fantasy land ...🤣🤣
@@mrmarcus6138 That comment is a year old and I've grown since then. In my opinion Trijicon HD XRs are the best iron sights for most shooters. But I have since made the transition to red dots on my carry pistols. I carry a Trijicon RMR 2 on my Glock 19. Red dots truly are the way of the future once you get the hang of them. If someone isn't gonna put in the time to train with them then don't bother but if you will dry fire and spend time at the range then Red Dots can't be beat.
Love the bait and switch in the title lol
Dawson Precision Charger. Black rear, red FO front. All of my pistols are set up the same way, consistent sight picture across all platforms.
Those are good sights for sure
This.
Depends on your age. I’m in my 70s and can’t see black sights. Big white dots work for me. At least I can stay on the paper with them.
Best advice I ever got for free.
Blacked out rear with fiber optic fronts are the way to go
I went with Angry Bear FO sight sets on my CZ P10C's. I don't mess with WML's on my carry guns. I feel a good held light is far more versatile, especially since my lifestyle doesn't find me out after dark much.
For brand new glock users (or old) there's a CHEAP brand caller BEAR ARMZ TACTICAL that offers front tritium ( theres 2 bars to cut multiple times,one red one green on the same box) with blacked out rear for less than 40 buckaroos, these are sturdy af and youre saving about 60 to 90 compared to Trijicon...up to you to try but i cant be happier with them!
You simply blew off "big dot" sights referring to these as "not a winner". However, they seem to be the only sight configuration offering a real solution to what you've described in this video. I've found that even the figure 8, dot on dot sights still have to dissect the target with equal height and light just as the three-dot sights you've condemned here. Although figure-eight sights are far less confusing at night and when moving for sure. Can you perhaps just explain why there appears to be no true "winner" with iron sights on a pistol. I'm curious if any of these iron sight varieties really matter or if we should all have mini-rds sights milled into the slides of our pistols allowing for that 30-meter headshot we'll need to be executing in stressful self-defense situations. Minus point shooting, I have yet to find anything as simple and more accurate than the XS DXT2 sights allowing for lightning-fast hits on a target within the statistical defensive shooting distances 49 feet and as near as 3 ft. I couldn't agree more, there are far better options available to us than three-dot sights yet they arrive installed on nearly every pistol I've ordered over the past 20 years. Thank you for making the vid.
A set of sights that allows you to easily target focus is best- so high vis front blacked out rear is probably “best” - I am not familiar with the makes of big dot sites but the dangerous game sights Yaeger was pushing for so long dramatically reduce precision. RDS are superior to irons - that would be my first preference.
What sights are best for longer range ? I have a 10mm and want to reach out to at least 100 yards. I am looking at some trijicon fiber optics that looks nice, but they are $90 seems high for what they are. Ameriglo has similar sights for $40. Does anyone have experience with these ? Are they good for long range? I like the trijicom because they have a narrow front post.
If you are really shooting at 100yrds you probably want an adjustable sight that have the thinnest front sight and thinnest notched rear. You won't get that with tritium sights. Check out dawson precision.
what did you go with? I just ordered warren fiber optic front .115, sevgeny competition black .130 wide
My Glock 45 came with Ameriglo H3 w00, set. It’s a U notch and my groups are all over the place. Mostly never a bullseye even with, 12 hold, combat hold, or 6 o’clock.
I qualified for my conceal carry with the trainers Glock 45 so that’s what l bought, because l felt comfortable with it. My groupings were good at 3, 5 and 7 yards.
But l can’t get on target with my gun. Even when l have a good sight picture. I don’t know if it’s because of a lack of stock sights.
I feel like the rear site might not be milled exactly straight. As l look too down at the rear there seems to be more metal on the right side than the left.
I’ve tried to measure the distance with calipers but can’t get a definitive reading to confirm. But eye balling it, my OCD is telling me it isn’t a hundred percent straight.
I’m a new shooter, but l’ve got about 500 rounds through this gun, but can’t consistently place my shoots on bullseye. Even if l try to make sure the front and rear sights are level before breaking the shot.
I was shooting low and to the left, when l first started,but now it’s just mostly low and all over. In the middle, but low and Swiss cheese like despite aiming for a bullseye spot in the middle.
I’m going to try these tips. Next time I’m at the range.
would these idot sights work still if you have a red dot sight attached? or would the red dot obstruct it?
Yes - they are not cowitness
I've never been told to line up three dots at the expense of equal height equal light. Equal height equal light always comes first, and that's why the front dot on my M&P's are not perfectly lined up. It's a smaller dot being further away, and the bottom of the dot is higher than that of the two rear sights. If someone is lining up 3-dot sights neglecting the posts, they're just doing it wrong. You have to consider that Ameriglo, Trijicon, Truglo are going to use the same sights for a 3.42" barrel of a G26 as they are the 4" or 4.49" barrel. In each case the dots are going to line up and look different because the front dot will look smaller on a pistol with a longer sight radius. That said, I prefer Ameriglo i-dots, XS Standard dots, and Glock Bold Sights. All work very well. I do have some Ameriglos on my PX4 with a tritium square, blacked out rear, and a slim rear profile. They they were serrated they'd be my favorite.
lining up the dots is a relic of probably the 80's - it's still floating around out there. If I didn't encounter it in a comment section of another video I wouldn't have made it.
Heinie straight 8's are awesome, got some on my G26. Another set of sights that I really like are the Trijicon Fibers.
I love straight 8s
I have a Walther Q4 and added a front Fiber Optic sight. Don't need a 3 dot system. Some day I might re install the original front sight and paint it.
Dawson precision, blacked out rear, fiber front
absolutely
Jim Davis Me also when shooting production. 😉 when not, rds, C-more & Holosun.
lazerrred I shoot production division also. Shadow2
Jim Davis- awesome, I use it for CO also with a complete CGW optic slide they used to prototype their optic slides. Got a smoking deal on it.😎
If shooting outdoors in daylight, black on black sights work pretty well.
I shoot mostly IPSC/USPSA and my CZ-75s have red fibre optic front sights with some kind of rear sight. Not sure, not adjustable, don't care. At short distances, if you get a feel for the true aim of your pistol, all I need is that front sight. It's only out at 25 to 50m that I have to be careful. Ha ha, lost my front sight a couple of times, but even then the hole in the front sight is enough to aim with.
Yeah - even losing a fiber pipe is no big deal.
My favorite handgun Sights are Meprolight an Tru-Glo.
been a while since I messed with those.
I put a dab of green florescent glow in the dark paint on my front sight only with a wooden toothpick for years it works great and it's cheap one bottle lasts forever for all my guns never had the paint come off I tried the tape they have but it comes off easily if solvents get on it or from holstering
Blacked out rear with fiber front, Warren Tactical on my Caniks. My Sig 365XL's sights are very good though. All your referenced sights on Amazon are for Glock, got rid of that platform a long time ago.
yeah it's just what's easy to link. The sig night sights look OK - I've heard of issues with their lamps burning out but they usually make it right.
my XDm elite had a white outline u notch rear and fiber front. by far the best sight I've ever shot. unfortunately when I traded it in to upgrade for an xdm osp, it came with the raised fully blacked out sight which I strongly dislike. can't find the u notch sights anywhere
@ HumbleMarksman Shoot like you would using irons on a rifle, top of the rear sight to the top of the front sight with the front sight in the center of the target. What are you thoughts on trapezoidal sights? I have a Canadian Iglis Hi Power with tangent sights. With that pyramid front sight it is so accurate and I enjoy that type of sight picture. Why don't firearms companies use that type front sight? I don't understand why they use a fat boxy front sight?
I've seen the trapezoidal sights on steyrs before - it's a little weird but more precise than typical garbage notch and post. I'm not sure I prefer that sight picture for speed shooting but I've never really tried beyond that one time.
Trijicon HD’s in orange or yellow?i keep thinking ill try another type, like ameriglos or Heinies, but I always get Trijicons and like them?
Going to be shooter specific - some pick up green better, some pick up red better. I do better with green/yellow.
X-ray 3 Sig Sauer Legion sights are my favorite. I can put a magazine into a two inch circle at 30 feet with .45 or 9mm. I completely disagree about putting a light on a firearm. In the service we were trained to shoot the light. Even if I can’t see you, I can see your light and I’m shooting the light until it’s not moving any more. There is enough ambient light in the suburbs, and in my home for me to see. And I know where all the light switches are. Why the hell would I need a light on my firearms?
Why would you shoot a target you cant see?
This may sound silly but I shoot wicked precise without the colored fiber optic on front sights (without the filament) and blacked out rear sights. Have that set up on 3 Walthers and I shoot dimes.
What do you think about adjustable target sights?
great for target guns. I prefer fixed sights for carry guns.
hey is that frame black? or like vortex bronze? what color is that??
Is there a tutorial on how to use the Masada IWI sights I’m shooting low consistently, and I’m starting to wonder if I need to get some new ones. Even if I am using the “3 dot system” I still shoot low.
Don’t cut the target in half with the Masada - put the dot of the front sight on where you want to hit. It’s a totally stupid sight picture but that’s what they think military’s want
TheHumbleMarksman
Okay so I was playing with my pistol and I was doing what you said I never was cutting the picture in half. I’ve found that at 23yards I literally had to cut the picture in half at the bottom of the sight.. I don’t know how to explain it but it was soo low that to even hit a 4-6” ballon I had to use the very bottom of the sight below the white dots with everything lined up properly it. I don’t know if they put the wrong sights on or what but they are WAY off
Reuben Carriere yeah I hated those sights - I would buy some Dawson Precision Sig sights for it
For indoor range shooting the black out rear and a HD front orange or yellow works better for me . Still 50 50 on red dots . If I shot outside fiber would probably work well .
indoor range lighting is the worst :(
Also the Henie figure 8 sights are great as well
I have never understood the point of nights sights, if you can't see the sights because its to dark you can't see what ever you are trying to shoot so having night sights makes no difference if you can't see your target anyways, and if you use a light you can see the sights silhouette so to me night sights are pointless.
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What if an Orc invader is visible in ambient light, but you are taking cover in shadow unable to see your sights? I would rather be able to dispatch the invader without turning on a flashlight to give away my position.
Do you think having 3 dot sights co witnessed with an optic is too busy and confusing for the eyes?
I was thinking of getting a blacked out rear and only a tritium front sight with my carry gun with a optic. The other option is 3 dot tritium with the optic.
Yes 3 dots are too busy for red dot
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks, I decided to go with just a plain tritium from sight and a blacked out rear. I've never shot with an optic before but I hear its the 💣
Love your content by-the-way.
Hi! I have a poor eyesight. which sights would be more visible and what would you recommend?
The absolute best sight for someone with poor eyesight is a miniaturized red dot sight (MRDS) - such as the Trijicon RMR, Holosun 507C/407CO/508T. If you have an astigmatism that makes the dot grow in size - you'll do better off with a bigger, dimmer dot, I personally really like the Leupold Deltapoint Pro with the 7.5 MOA triangle reticle and the Holosun 407CO - with an 8 MOA ring. Something about the larger shape means you don't have to rely on brightness to notice the dot as much. Both the Triangle and the Ring do not blister as badly. The Holosun 507C/508T have a 2 MOA dot with a 32 MOA ring - this is actually probably the most intuitive sight for people learning the dot because the huge ring allows you to see if the dot is wandering off the screen. Check out the links in the description of the video. For skinnier guns for concealed carry - the Holosun 507K is a good choice.
So shooting iron sights requires you to have basically 3 focal planes: The front sight, the rear sight, and the target. I have bad eyesight myself - until I got it corrected - but my speed of focus isn't amazing. The red dot simplifies this process by allowing you 1 focal plane - the target. You focus on the target - which is what you naturally are going to want to do anyway - and then you "see" the dot as you move it around onto the target. Once it's where you want it you pull the trigger. The other benefit of the red dot is it's a magnificent training tool - if you're observant you can see how the dot moves through your trigger pull - you can use that feedback to tune up your grip to attempt to stabilize it. Not to mention they make sighting the gun a lot easier. With an iron sight gun my groups are about 2x as large as my groups with a red dot gun at the same distance.
While red dots add a bit of hassle to the pistols - they absolutely increase the competency of most shooters once they grasp the basics of how to use them and accelerate the rate at which you learn to be a better marksman.
@@TheHumbleMarksman very awesome explanation ! by the way, among the iron sights..which would be a better choice?
I've just begun shooting and do well with 3 dot sights. From 3 yards (Glock 48) - 19 rounds in a 2 inch circle; 3 rounds in a 1 inch circle. From 7 yards (Walther PPQ) - 10 rounds in a 4 inch circle. Yes that first time at 3 yards the 19 single shots had plenty of time between shots to aim. The 3 rounds were probably in 5 seconds. The second time shooting at 7 yards all 10 shots within 10 seconds. Slow but not bad for a beginner. Maybe it is beginner luck.
That's awesome you are digging in. At 3 yards - all the holes should be touching - if you move the target back that 2" group becomes a much larger group in a hurry. I don't say that to discourage you but to give you a standard to work towards. What you have now is effective out to maybe 10 yards - but the time aspect becomes a question - if that's unlimited time what can you do with compressed time? Again - I'm not trying to suck the wind from your sails - what you're doing is awesome - simply suggesting working toward an objective standard. the NRA B8 style target is awesome - if you can keep all the shots in the black at a given distance - that's pretty good - see if you can get that distance to be closer to 25 yards.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Like I said I'm just starting. Lots to learn. I was just surprised I did as well as I did for a beginner at the age of 59. That makes it both fun and interesting, wanting to improve.
I have a couple gen 3 glocks (CA.) I would like to upgrade the sights. A single post on the front sounds and looks like a fine idea
I like americano UC night sights plain black u notch back with day night hi viz front. Love them
For my competition guns, I use a fiber optic front and a black rear. For carry guns, I've typically used a front night sight and black rear.
For rears, I prefer a flat rear like a 10-8 or Heinie. I absolutely despise the Novak rear sight -- too visually busy.
I tried a Big Dot once. Ugh. Paid the gunsmith to take that damn thing off.
These days, though, I've mostly changed to red dots. My old eyes have a hard time seeing iron sights unless I use reading glasses.
What do you think of "Mach Point" Buckhorn sights for Glock?
3 dot night sights are really great
At night I use the amazon light lazers combo range fiber optic fronts and black rear sights
Not all handguns are Glock, and not all come from the factory zeroed for center hold (top of sight post as the point of aim like THM demonstrated).
SIG ships most of their fixed-sight handguns zeroed for a "combat hold", where you place the front sight dot on the target, not the top of the sight post. You're meant to shoot "both-eyes-open-focus-on-the-target-not-the-sight", and while not precise, it's fast and allows for more awareness.
It's basically the same single focal plane concept as using a red dot, but needs the three dots somewhat lined up because of parallax.
So if you think you need new sights for your SIG because it's shooting low, think again. :)
Not all of us aspire to be a pistol marksman, we're satisfied to be a humble hitsman.
I don't know why you'd give up precision when it's a sight change away - "combat" holds don't gain anything on speed and erode accuracy.
I have the TFX Pro night sights on my Po1 and the fiber optic part is so small that unless you are in bright sunlight they act as black no dot sights which I am not crazy about..when in sunlight they are bright bright,and of course the night sight part works great!!!!E
yeah - I wish they made them with only the front fiber pipe and would do a 2 dot version.
Ameriglo Hackathorns. I like night sights, but I have found that I shoot better with a blacked out rear sight. At this point, I would probably only use the night sight to see my firearm in the dark, since I have a WML on my dedicated HD pistol.
Hacks are good sights.
Novak adjustable rear, black with .325 tritium front. Have had this set up on 1911's, and two Glocks....bombproof.
Hatin on my big dot sights lol. They work great on my g30sf!
Night fision for the win
never messed with those.
For range shooting you are right. For combat, three dot or eight figure, is the same thing. It depends on what you have used to. Fiber optic sights are fragile. It is not just the fiber but the construction of the front sight. For civilian carry it is not a big deal maybe… for duty carry, specially military use, I wouldn’t recommend them. Excuse my bad English, I'm Greek...
There are door kicker types here who deployed in GWOT rocking fiber optic sights
I agree 💯. With irons honestly default are meh. I at minimum fiber optic & black rear should be the default if you don't run a dot optic. I got the 92a1 with Wilson combat green fiber optic and black rear sights. Pretty nice not as fast as a dot but can get similar speed / accuracy. It seems easier to stay target focused too with that fiber optic & black rear easier than regular irons but not as easy a dot fo sho. Just my opinion tho .
Warren Tactical 2 dot --- also will back out sites on some guns and remove that fiber optic too for fun
warrens are good sights.
One of my friends told me to avoid 3 dots same reason... Looking at some ameriglo fiber OR single trit dot front. Cheers!
Damn, wish I would've seem this vid months ago before I ordered some might fision 3 dot sights. Oh well, guess theyll go on a range gun now and buy a other set.
they aren't horrible - but I think 2 dot NS are superior.
My preference. I don't care much. If the sights are on, I can usually hit with them. I always have a weapon light so, I don't bother with night sights. I am one of those guys that is totally happy with Glock sights😂👍🇺🇸
the ball and cup isn't bad but for precision it's nicer to have something else.
@@TheHumbleMarksman that is true
Got the 1st like. Maybe even the first comment? HUMBLE, what do thou think of the ball and crescent sights if the SA Hellcat?
I actually really like them. The white crescent creates contrast with black targets. If you watch my Hellcat review I moon over the sights - I totally wouldn't change them.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I haven't even handled one yet. Went and looked up your video on Hellcat. Great video. I haven't been subscribed very long, but have been watching some of your older videos as well. Much respect sir. You know your stuff, you're transparent and a likable presenter. I watch, like and share. They like you too.
I use a grey nail polish on my non-tritium rear sights, and they’re easy to align, and easy to ignore. I carry a couple of spare 2” lengths of fiber optic material in my wallet.
fiber optic products as a website you can buy 1m of fiber optic piping for about $9
TheHumbleMarksman
I buy the longer lengths from Dawson, and cut a few short length in case in case of breakage at the range, or a color switch.
Im a lefty & i use my middle finger to work the trigger and use my index as my guide,where ever my index finger points is where i hit.
Frank proctor Y notch sights best I’ve ever used
the RDS is love the RDS is life
This is the way
The only one that matters is the front sight the rear isn't that important especially in a defensive situation you ain't gonna have time to line up front n rear yes constant practice makes for consistent draw etc but with adrenaline high makes for whole different scenario.
You are talking about developing an index - and index shooting the 3 dots are especially damaging especially if you know how to “shoot the notch” - timing the front sight coming down from recoil. With a high vis front the irons become a red dot - effectively- assuming a good index