I really loved the thought processes in the second game "Ah shoot there is a viking killing my broods, i better make corruptors" *corruptors all die at some point* "Ah nice no corruptors i better make a banshee" "Ah shoot there is a banshee, i better make some corruptors"
Scarlett is a reminder that Zerg, swarm. Throws so much stuff at you, if your economy is distracted, you just fold. Sure you may kill more in minerals/gas, but the winner is the one who doesnt type GG.
This game is really insane! Scarlett is real zerg queen! Amazong ravager biles, nice defensive vipers in game 1. Yep mistakes were made but it was really high level and gight intesity game! Greetings from Ukraine!
Here's what you do to balance tvz. Ghosts snipe deals 50% less damage to armored units. Marauders do 50% more to armored units. "Idk what to do against zerg" "Have you tried uh idk fucking only ghosts?"
Makes me fucking sick that ghosts are able to aoe split second knock out all energy from energy units, can snipe every single zerg unit instantly, can nuke, go invisible, and it's not considered a light unit so it doesn't take extra damage from banes. Blizzard really does love that fucking ghost unit I'll tell you that. Can counter literally any protoss unit and building because it takes the shield away from everything. Archons? 350 shield or whatever 10 hp? No big deal just emp them to 10 hp. Don't even have to go close to anyone. I can't stand the ghost. And the damn widow mine. IDK why you would go for any other late game build. Marines medivacs and ghosts. It even shows invisible units when you emp them, unless that's been changed.
@@andrea8300 When Zombiegrub mentioned that during a live tournament, I legitimately thought she was gonna get fired. :') -Blizzard being anti political and everything that takes away from the game. It wasn't too long after Blizzard sacked a pro player from Overwatch who spoke up about Hong Kong. -zombiegrub is still a caster though:)
Both these players are great players. Am I wrong that they are kind of the underlying best. Like Serrall, Clem, Maru, Reynor, then these guys a few more down? Not to be disrespectful, just curious.
playing Zerg is like playing Quidich. It doesn't really matter what else is happening in the game, if you get the golden snitch you get enough points to win regardless of what else happened. It's a side quest mini game that determines everything. Spreading Creep and Injecting are the mini games that decide everything. You can get harassed, lose 70 drones, take terrible engagements. You don't have to send any drops, or any harassment, no ling run bys or fancy moves. You just keep playing your little mini game, and eventually you win. That's what game 1 was.
Well Terran isn’t different. Did you see Harstem’s Terran game last week? He was 22 drones to zero SCVs, but had a bigger Econ than the Zerg with 3 mules.
that's what I was going to say too....but the reaper harass is part of the problem too....the first 5 minutes of the first game are in a nutshell the reasons why I quit playing Starcraft 2. (Also note triple hatch opener and queens from Scarlett making her almost invincible)
Personally in my bronze league hero opinion. "Mech terran" needs to include ghosts. The mechs secure you a stable position with tanks, and thor's/hellbats as a front line. the cyclones are just nice to have as well. but especially against zerg the unit is just broken and its ONLY weakness is getting ran down and surrounded. and getting NP and emp'd by an ally but you know.
to me spreading creep is almost like a mini-game within every match. I sometimes get lost in it though, especially in the longer games. but it's sooooo fun
Scarlett is my favorite player because she's amazingly good and Canadian and smart and cute. And I think she has the best creep spead of the world. ;) GGZ.
And yes, for anyone wondering, it was THAT case. I represented the plaintiffs trying to keep former President Trump off the ballot. Like an SCII series: lost a close first match, won the second match (CO Supreme Court), got obliterated in the third match (SCOTUS) because the map was overwhelmingly against us.
What the fuck? You might be the most surprising person I've seen to have ever appeared on a sc2 cast. Sorry the republican court decided that elections were up to the states. Oh wait? It's Trump that's being tried? Yeah nvm fuck our previous ruling i guess.
@@starwars4427 LOL - yeah. I actually spent a lot of time drafting briefs for this case while watching Winter and Lowko casts (and sometimes Harstem and UThermal). It is a good filler in the background and nice break when I hear something exciting happen.
@@marionicolais3024You gotta submit Trump v Anderson to IMBA or Do I suck now. Figure out whether y'alls arguments were wrong or if the supreme court messed up
it's weird seeing Zerg not building extra base defences when they're storing several thousand minerals. Like, you can afford the temporary resource hit to secure your bases from harassment, why don't you do it?
Well to “secure” a base with static d you’d need a lot. 2 spines are almost the same cost as a new hatch + cost in larva. Just like cannons, they can’t defend your base. They just buy time for your army to rotate. even a a single drop of marines can kill 2 spines in a few seconds. I guess arguable if they do that and your rotste in time and they have to pick up thats they are not killing your drones or hatch. But it’s also a cost in microing your drones to build the spores and spines. Placing them, with a a likely chance that they find a spot e tree just isn’t covered anyway. Remembering to rebuilding them. Also again, kills your own drones to build them anyway. There is something to be said about building them in mid to late game and migrating betweeen bases but again it’s micro dedicated to something that isnt guaranteed to get you value.
@@llanowar90 spores heavily damaging/killing medivacs will pay off, especially in preventing from them rotating between bases. Also, cost in larva is not an issue if you're at 200/200 already. Neither is the cost of a hatchery. Neither hatcheries nor the cost of them are meaningful if you need to waste them rebuilding them, or if there are no drones to actually return resources to them.
Static defenses take room though, but I'd guess the placement can be made so that defensive units can move, even maybe slow down or block stuff. Microing is for both sides, though larva->drone->defense may be more, but then again you can pick when you do it. I bet professionals have tested probably retested many times.
@@tondekoddar7837 lol, have you not seen Zerg make spore forests in late games before? They contribute a lot by preventing Terran from just flying in, and if they walk in, they'll be easily intercepted. Static defences taking up room isn't even an issue since it's on your side of the map
do the barracks fly off hopes and dreams? doesnt cost gas but...the planes and stuff do. but not a 3000ton barracks that flys rather fast for its size and weight? PLOT HOLES witch starcraft 2 is known for not having a single one!!! feel i got to clarify this sadly. im being sarcastic.
People are going to want to fight about it but I think artosis is right that the seamlessly fluid unit movement, plus the unlimited control group size, in sc2 makes things less interesting than sc1. Unit control in an important part of sc1, and while it's clunky it's much more organic and creates unique situations. In sc2 everyone just clumps together like a school of fish and it just makes things a little one dimensional. There is still unit micro but it's nowhere near the same. At first I thought that was a silly idea, because it seems like those things are just better to have in a game, but making things easier to do in a game doesn't necessarily equate to a better game. Having more organic and alive feeling units could make sc2 much more fun imo
Ehh as someone who barely played either game. Both are interesting. Sc2 is much more digestible spectator sport. Imo the Happy middle ground is probably wc3. Making individual units more valuable and individial micro more impactful to the pointy thst if you aren’t doing it you are at a significant disadvantage. It seems that’s the direction stormgate is going actually
Bias aside that Scarlett is Canadian which is awesomeness...she doesn't play terran and this is why I always cheer Scarlett over any Terran player cause I hate the meatball strat its tired and boring and used all the time.
I like the streams but I'm tired of every single video being about Zerg and the zerg player almost always winning. I couldn't even find a PvT video anytime recently and there are barely any protoss videos at all T_T
god watching these pro players manage everything makes me feel so incredbibly bad at my own abilities and i always thought i was an alright player..talke about feeling inadequate. The worst for me is seeing how scarlett is able to manage her creep, and do everythign else she does.. makes me wanna quit playing ,, LOL i officially suck at SC2
Astrea is the only NA player in the top 20 worldwide and he barely makes top 10. The rest of the top 20 is split between Europe and Asia heavily weighted toward Korea in the Top 10, though Serral and Clem steal the top 2 for Europe.
I really loved the thought processes in the second game
"Ah shoot there is a viking killing my broods, i better make corruptors"
*corruptors all die at some point*
"Ah nice no corruptors i better make a banshee"
"Ah shoot there is a banshee, i better make some corruptors"
They didn't just die - she threw them away trying to spray down the CC only to need to rebuild them later.
25:15 - "You wouldn't fake a battlecruiser. You son of a bitch!" - Winter and everyone else
Dark and scarlett are the most interesting player that make this old game still fun to watch. Of course when winter cast it
Scarlett is a reminder that Zerg, swarm. Throws so much stuff at you, if your economy is distracted, you just fold. Sure you may kill more in minerals/gas, but the winner is the one who doesnt type GG.
also build queens.
34:59 really threw those mutalisks away like a used tissue
Not just that. Lots of thing just get throw away like in bronze.
@@john0000011111 think you can do better?
I just love it when Winter swears during casts. It's so rare and that's why I appreciate it lol
Scarlett's creep spread is unmatched
Corner to corner in game 1, crazy
That dramatic fusion core music got me both times 😅
40:39 Scarlett's ravager micro getting dark-esque, look at that Banshee snipe 👍👍
That was like 501 rounds of Rock, Paper, scissors.
This game is really insane! Scarlett is real zerg queen! Amazong ravager biles, nice defensive vipers in game 1. Yep mistakes were made but it was really high level and gight intesity game!
Greetings from Ukraine!
They'll expect one of us in the comment section brother
Here's what you do to balance tvz. Ghosts snipe deals 50% less damage to armored units. Marauders do 50% more to armored units.
"Idk what to do against zerg" "Have you tried uh idk fucking only ghosts?"
Makes me fucking sick that ghosts are able to aoe split second knock out all energy from energy units, can snipe every single zerg unit instantly, can nuke, go invisible, and it's not considered a light unit so it doesn't take extra damage from banes. Blizzard really does love that fucking ghost unit I'll tell you that. Can counter literally any protoss unit and building because it takes the shield away from everything. Archons? 350 shield or whatever 10 hp? No big deal just emp them to 10 hp. Don't even have to go close to anyone. I can't stand the ghost. And the damn widow mine. IDK why you would go for any other late game build. Marines medivacs and ghosts. It even shows invisible units when you emp them, unless that's been changed.
What happend to Scarlett's title "Queen of Blades"? The Swarm Zerg sounds so redundant lol
Well, she's actually a he. kinda weird to call a man queen
For what i heared she was not a big fan of that title
@@andrea8300 When Zombiegrub mentioned that during a live tournament, I legitimately thought she was gonna get fired. :')
-Blizzard being anti political and everything that takes away from the game. It wasn't too long after Blizzard sacked a pro player from Overwatch who spoke up about Hong Kong.
-zombiegrub is still a caster though:)
@@andrea8300he*
Winter is the only caster I can enjoy watching cant even watch official commentary ended wait till he cast to see any tournament info 😂
Both these players are great players. Am I wrong that they are kind of the underlying best. Like Serrall, Clem, Maru, Reynor, then these guys a few more down? Not to be disrespectful, just curious.
I like Scarletts style, it is very entertaining
playing Zerg is like playing Quidich. It doesn't really matter what else is happening in the game, if you get the golden snitch you get enough points to win regardless of what else happened. It's a side quest mini game that determines everything. Spreading Creep and Injecting are the mini games that decide everything. You can get harassed, lose 70 drones, take terrible engagements. You don't have to send any drops, or any harassment, no ling run bys or fancy moves. You just keep playing your little mini game, and eventually you win. That's what game 1 was.
Well Terran isn’t different. Did you see Harstem’s Terran game last week? He was 22 drones to zero SCVs, but had a bigger Econ than the Zerg with 3 mules.
It's called macro, ever heard of it?
that's what I was going to say too....but the reaper harass is part of the problem too....the first 5 minutes of the first game are in a nutshell the reasons why I quit playing Starcraft 2.
(Also note triple hatch opener and queens from Scarlett making her almost invincible)
Personally in my bronze league hero opinion. "Mech terran" needs to include ghosts. The mechs secure you a stable position with tanks, and thor's/hellbats as a front line. the cyclones are just nice to have as well. but especially against zerg the unit is just broken and its ONLY weakness is getting ran down and surrounded. and getting NP and emp'd by an ally but you know.
Very different styles from what I'm used to, exciting and cool!
"And all it cost him was everything" LOL
"I want a best of 69 between these two." - WinterStarcraft 2024
Think I have my new favorite quote
The HOA reference was spot on and hilarious 🔥🤣🔥
to me spreading creep is almost like a mini-game within every match.
I sometimes get lost in it though, especially in the longer games. but it's sooooo fun
The mass ravager to go toe-to-toe with the cyclones, and to negate sieged tanks, is an interesting twist.
OMG, this series is Epic! These 2 should give us best of 5 twice a week, and Serral and Clem series...
Some good old fashioned NA aggression! Finally, something we've all been waiting so long for
Scarlett is my favorite player because she's amazingly good and Canadian and smart and cute. And I think she has the best creep spead of the world. ;)
GGZ.
4:36 how to not have your tanks stuck in your base :
40 likes on this comment and I’ll comment on another video… and I’ll probably do it anyways. I don’t know what else I’d do with my life. JIMMY!
Jimmy!
JIMMY!
Keep it up with the good comment, lets be all part of this by supporting him. Smash that like button guys!!
1 like on this comment's comment and I'll comment another Jay's comment. And I'll probably do it anyway!
@@kraldada6557😂
Can zerg dodge a yamato blast if they burrow in time?
I heard that SC2 has 3 factions in it but you'd never know that from watching competitive play.
Very sad :c.
I try to plays Protoss and is painful (The pylons mostly), i have advantage if go air. But i don't very well un this mode
Winter. Love the casts. Thanks again.
I see Winter upload, I like immediately.
Had to like this one twice!
Winter has to clip the HOA but. I choked on my drink from laughing at that bit. Too many good moments from NA games
Brilliant commentary
“19 mutas dead” - *shivers*
Bro this was a REALLY entertaining one 🎉 About as much fun as watching a good bronze league heroes match
Grande Scarlett, ha recuperado su nivel estando en Corea. Saludos
Thank You
Om nom nom
Tasty content🤤
Winter, I was having a crappy day (lost a case 9-0 at the United States Supreme Court). And you did, in fact, make it a little bit better. :)
And yes, for anyone wondering, it was THAT case. I represented the plaintiffs trying to keep former President Trump off the ballot. Like an SCII series: lost a close first match, won the second match (CO Supreme Court), got obliterated in the third match (SCOTUS) because the map was overwhelmingly against us.
What the fuck? You might be the most surprising person I've seen to have ever appeared on a sc2 cast. Sorry the republican court decided that elections were up to the states. Oh wait? It's Trump that's being tried? Yeah nvm fuck our previous ruling i guess.
@@starwars4427 LOL - yeah. I actually spent a lot of time drafting briefs for this case while watching Winter and Lowko casts (and sometimes Harstem and UThermal). It is a good filler in the background and nice break when I hear something exciting happen.
@@marionicolais3024You gotta submit Trump v Anderson to IMBA or Do I suck now. Figure out whether y'alls arguments were wrong or if the supreme court messed up
Nice to see you here. You are fighting a good fight. Good luck!
"put your thinking caps on......then take them off and eat them"
it's weird seeing Zerg not building extra base defences when they're storing several thousand minerals.
Like, you can afford the temporary resource hit to secure your bases from harassment, why don't you do it?
Well to “secure” a base with static d you’d need a lot. 2 spines are almost the same cost as a new hatch + cost in larva. Just like cannons, they can’t defend your base. They just buy time for your army to rotate. even a a single drop of marines can kill 2 spines in a few seconds. I guess arguable if they do that and your rotste in time and they have to pick up thats they are not killing your drones or hatch. But it’s also a cost in microing your drones to build the spores and spines. Placing them, with a a likely chance that they find a spot e tree just isn’t covered anyway. Remembering to rebuilding them. Also again, kills your own drones to build them anyway. There is something to be said about building them in mid to late game and migrating betweeen bases but again it’s micro dedicated to something that isnt guaranteed to get you value.
It's against zerg religion.
@@llanowar90 spores heavily damaging/killing medivacs will pay off, especially in preventing from them rotating between bases.
Also, cost in larva is not an issue if you're at 200/200 already. Neither is the cost of a hatchery.
Neither hatcheries nor the cost of them are meaningful if you need to waste them rebuilding them, or if there are no drones to actually return resources to them.
Static defenses take room though, but I'd guess the placement can be made so that defensive units can move, even maybe slow down or block stuff.
Microing is for both sides, though larva->drone->defense may be more, but then again you can pick when you do it.
I bet professionals have tested probably retested many times.
@@tondekoddar7837 lol, have you not seen Zerg make spore forests in late games before? They contribute a lot by preventing Terran from just flying in, and if they walk in, they'll be easily intercepted.
Static defences taking up room isn't even an issue since it's on your side of the map
That was a real slugfest! Awesome!
epic music
0:49 whos Jimmy again? Im from a future vid of yours, now watching old ones. But idk who jimmy is, but youre funny, so I subbed.
Its younger murphy from impractical jokers
Scarlett, the Queen of Blades
Special is the INcontrol of terran
do the barracks fly off hopes and dreams? doesnt cost gas but...the planes and stuff do. but not a 3000ton barracks that flys rather fast for its size and weight? PLOT HOLES witch starcraft 2 is known for not having a single one!!!
feel i got to clarify this sadly. im being sarcastic.
Now I realize your voice would be wrecked. Everyone's nerves shot. But I ask, are we not entertained?
Jimmy it's been more than a month, you should have that number ready without being prompted.
Oh but it's a sacrificial marine, so umm different one :)
Exciting bloodbath lol.. thanks
Thanks Winters!
Well done😮
Is Zerg considered OP? I’m new to Starcraft.
Yes
ahhh my daily dose,,, I needed this, sniff sniff..
I'm scared to mass siege tank vs zerg... It's very easily countered
Scarlett's EPIC Zerg vs Terran! StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft
Im happy you dont know what to do with your life :D Keep up the great work!
For the swarm!!!!
Thanks Winter,
I am a fan of Scarlett but I have to say, after watching this, I am very concerned by her strategies :( I know she can do better but.................
*factory upgrades build 25% faster* there are no upgrades in the factory, tough luck xD
I'll be honest my likes are purely based on how Brenda reacts.
I was in a bad mood today. But the result of this makes me happy. I am not going to say what the result was... not to spoil anything.
nice experiments Scarlett
He's really good as zerg.
true! He's damn good
@@JD-wu5pf Scarlett perceives himself as a girl and I have no problem with that, but still he's a dude.
Scarlet is real bro
real girl or
@@JesseCuoi or real bro. Scarlet is the best boy among all girls
LEETS GOOO!!!! :D Scarlett!
Wish I could press Like more often!
Scarlett is the true queen of the zerg
This was uploaded 5min ago, but I alrdy watched the 50 min.
How is that possible?
34:38 lolololz BarracksLord. I watched enough to know why that's funny.
Absholutely!!!
special is so fucking typical terran lol
TvZ looks so much more fun to watch without Vipers/Infestors/Ghosts present
Can we just remove them? :)
People are going to want to fight about it but I think artosis is right that the seamlessly fluid unit movement, plus the unlimited control group size, in sc2 makes things less interesting than sc1. Unit control in an important part of sc1, and while it's clunky it's much more organic and creates unique situations. In sc2 everyone just clumps together like a school of fish and it just makes things a little one dimensional. There is still unit micro but it's nowhere near the same. At first I thought that was a silly idea, because it seems like those things are just better to have in a game, but making things easier to do in a game doesn't necessarily equate to a better game. Having more organic and alive feeling units could make sc2 much more fun imo
Ehh as someone who barely played either game. Both are interesting. Sc2 is much more digestible spectator sport. Imo the Happy middle ground is probably wc3. Making individual units more valuable and individial micro more impactful to the pointy thst if you aren’t doing it you are at a significant disadvantage. It seems that’s the direction stormgate is going actually
here today alive
nice game to learn how to counter cheese noob terrans in diamond 3, thanks scarlet
2 mins in. Hahaha Jimmy 😂🎉 most pro SC2.
Bias aside that Scarlett is Canadian which is awesomeness...she doesn't play terran and this is why I always cheer Scarlett over any Terran player cause I hate the meatball strat its tired and boring and used all the time.
can u and Lowko stream together plsssssss
Wikipedia says "and is the first woman to win a major StarCraft II tournament". But it's not true exactly...
I like the streams but I'm tired of every single video being about Zerg and the zerg player almost always winning. I couldn't even find a PvT video anytime recently and there are barely any protoss videos at all T_T
god watching these pro players manage everything makes me feel so incredbibly bad at my own abilities and i always thought i was an alright player..talke about feeling inadequate. The worst for me is seeing how scarlett is able to manage her creep, and do everythign else she does.. makes me wanna quit playing ,, LOL i officially suck at SC2
Girl power❤
its a biological man tho
Your thumbnail baited me into thinking "wait, he plays Terran?"
Same here😂
now i know why NA isnt that good, there names are to long.
but serious why is an considered that bad?
Because Serral is EU.
Astrea is the only NA player in the top 20 worldwide and he barely makes top 10. The rest of the top 20 is split between Europe and Asia heavily weighted toward Korea in the Top 10, though Serral and Clem steal the top 2 for Europe.
America has fewer people in esports, because we have to work for a living.
Home pride 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
such messy games
Whats the point of this game? Zerg always win.
We are in The critical Moments, some player of competitive are quit.
Games like this really show the levels between players like clem, maru, serral and then these 2 bums