Iguazu felt like the Redguns never gave a shit about him, but he's proven wrong several times: Volta's data log, Red lamenting him dying to the G13 curse, Michigan sticking up for him to Albany the MT pilot. Like yeah, they talk shit to his face, but his comrades cared for him on a fundamental level. Iguazu just took it all personally because he never felt good enough.
He couldn’t see how much they cared for him and they couldn’t figure out how to show him. In the end I think they’re both at fault for Iguazu never really being a team player. Iguazu for the way he acted and the redguns for not seeing how obviously their way of dealing with him was just making all the problems they had with him worse. The only one that could’ve possibly kept Iguazu calm would be Volta but…
@@muramasa870that and they aren't psychopath enought to scheme. Hell outta the 5 main faction they technically are the most honest one since they just work for coral cash unlike even dolamayan trying to assasinate you.
Ngl, I had a moment of worry cause you can hear EVERYONE was in full panic, especially when they were acknowledging everything going wrong. "This is Hell! We're in Hell!" "V.III Pater on scene... *sob* I'm here now."
Killing Michigan, G6, Rusty, and Pater is the emotional equivalent of having to carry a 200 pound dumbbell in each hand while walking on legos. NG++ fuckin traumatized me…
I loved killing Pater. He's a narcissistic shallow prick who only cares about his status. You see that in NG++ when you kill him, you see that when you escape captivity if you killed Hawkins, he acts completely power-mad on the speaker. You also see this if you fight him and Hawkins. He puts on a facade of caring for people but the moment Hawkins dies, he fake-cries for a second then celebrates that he's finally got Hawkins' number. If he beats you, he thanks Hawkins for dying so he can go up the ranks, and if you beat him, he goes "But I just got promoted!" He's a snake, I don't understand how anyone likes him.
@@disappointedfather5114 He’s not really faking, it’s more like some kind of dual personality disorder taking over, hence his AC’s name Dual Nature and its emblem. It’s probably also why Hawkins and O’Keefe were looking out for him.
Feels bad man. I hated having to take down the Guns squad. They all knew the score, but it just sucks that they consistently ended up on the wrong side of things
@@zeehero7280 One of the few lines to make me proper laugh, but it's also a little sad if you think about it. Much the same way he mentions the medals "go real far when you throw them" (a common sign of disrespect towards your commanders), I imagine he said that not just to be funny, but also so that Balam wouldn't honor him as someone who died in a brutal mission, but rather just let him rest. No big funeral or ceremony for a "fallen soldier", just quietly taken out and replaced.
G6 Red Japanese voiced, Red adress G5 Iguazu as ''Iguazu-senpai'', leaving to me believe thats Red still respect Iguazu after all those events. Redguns rly deserved better ending.
It really makes you wonder why. Maybe we’re missing some vital information for all the times he went missing. AWOL technically doesn’t mean that he ran and we only hear from an MT that assumed he ran. Maybe Iguazu isn’t the coward everyone assumes him to be. Also Iguazu is ranked surprisingly high in the arena, it could also be that Red just admires that Iguazu is genuinely skilled despite his bad augmentations.
@@samnunnink7575 Iguazu is G5, Red is G6, Iguazu is also higher in the arena rankings than Red (Red is in F tier), Iguazu is his superior in the redguns, "senpai" is a way of referring to an upperclassman or a mentor so its more just acknowledging that Iguazu is his superior. Hell Red is hardly an AC pilot he's their merc liason more like a desk jockey like Pater (but even Pater's fairly high up in the rankings compared), Michigan mostly hired him because his attitude impressed him (based on his arena blurb). The Redguns are probably also pretty used to people with bad attitudes and don't really see how deeply resentful Iguazu is and just think he's a bit rough around the edges rather than a deeply spiteful person who can't see the forest for the trees.
@QuestionableObject All this is true but the point that I was trying to make is that Red still refers to him like this even after all his alleged cowardly actions and after he abandoned the red guns. It wouldn’t really make sense for him to still refer to Iguazu like this if Iguazu wasn’t apart of the red guns and even balam, and if Iguazu had done a bunch of cowardly things. I think that it could hint that more went on then what we see as 621. Maybe a dlc could expand on it or maybe I’m just looking too far into it. Of course Red could also just be a bro.
Considering that Arquebus had control over the entire depths until All Mind reactivated all the defenses, Red must've been down there for days hiding from the Aequebus squads after his own MT squad was wiped out. Probably by us no less.. Its no surprise he's delirious and suffering from PTSD
Credit to Fromsoft I got all three endings and they all hurt in different ways. I cant remember any other game I've played having characters that got me as emotional as some of the last boss fights in this game.
@@genericexcuse4737 yes because they're just honest people doing their work earnestly. They always get shafted because they dont plan to backstab you or attempt to assassinate you. Even G1 is like "aight shit man, the skills! aight you got me guess i'll die C: btw that offer to join us is still open, ok shoot"
My only emotions were pissed off. I hate having to keep beating down on Iguazu. Sure it was nice to watch a very real friendship between Rusty and Raven, and sure I felt sorry for Walter and Carla hearing how betrayed they sounded. But, man, those final bosses were super crappy. Either hard in a bad way (damage output too high, too gimmicky or too much health) or too easy (Walter felt easier than some of the alfa arena fights!)
Man this mission was disturbing and tragic to me From the chaos, to Ayre being sympathetic to the rapid lost of life while the complete opposite with ALLMIND’s cold demeanor and complete disregard of human life, to the dialogues like “this is hell, we’re in hell” and “I’ve never should’ve come here” plus the absolute terror in the voices of the rest when they see our AC and finally listening to all of Red and Pater’s dialogues made me feel like some devil but not a good way
I felt really disturbed playing through this mission. Like, all the previous missions it was just a job. The enemy knew that, I knew that. This time though, just feels different. I don't have a focus, an objective other than survive.
@@alephkasai9384 Moreover, if you didn't notice the subtle hints to ALLMIND being a crazed/evil AI, this mission hammers it into your face - ALLMIND is not at all like Chatty. While Chatty both understood and appreciated humanity and their quirks, ALLMIND just see humans as tools to be used and discarded. The horrors committed by ALLMIND would eclipse anything ever before seen in all of Armored Core history. This mission was the turning point - neither Ayre nor 621 trusted ALLMIND completely, and after seeing the cold destruction ALLMIND rained down, they would never allow things to go its way.
@@matasa7463 ALLMIND sees humanity as a whole. She doesn't care about preserving individuality. Thus, she justifies the atrocities she commits on Rubicon as "it benefits human race" or "it is necessary for humanity to evolve".
@@matasa7463 The sheer chaos and ALLMIND"s Cold Comments harmmered it in for me. The explosion coming from that tunnel wiping out ALL the forces on the Bridge followed by "A chain of human links is easily broken." THAT"S When I knew it was psychotic.
AllMinds cold delivery of the line of "A chain made of human links is easily broken" after blowing up the left over MTs after ayre's painful reaction gave me chills.
Ah, this mission was making me feel bad enough to see the Arquebus grunts getting annihilated, besides Snail I don’t really hate them, but then I run into this guy
What about Freud? What about those vespers in the underground city talking shit? Even the ones you fight in the "Kill the vespers" mission are kinda dicks to you.
@@hectorbb4225 Well if you really think about it. Freud is just a regular guy that likes mecha fights, he didn’t trash talk when fighting raven. Heck he even praises us during the fight. The guys in institute city are defectors from Balam, so they don’t count. The feel I get from fighting V3,V5 are that they are decent people. V6 Pater has some issues, but at least he’s pretty courteous when interacting with us. V7 is just too pathetic to be all that hateable.
@@joeaverage9772everyone on Rubicon is a monster in some way. None of us are decent people save for maybe 621 who doesn't seem to have a malicious bone in his body and only works because he has to as a pilot slave or to help his friends who helped him.
@@joeaverage9772only one of them is a defector. The other one (Maeterlinck) has always been a Vesper, and is said to be unconditionnally loyal to Arquebus
@@samnunnink7575 to play Ayre's advocate, Carla and Walter wanted to burn the entire planet. She saw them as unreasonable and willing to murder millions of innocent lives because they feared Coral's potential.
It’s sad because you can actually get this dialogue while not betraying the Redguns basically at all, besides initially killing the fledgling G13. G6 Red was just broken by everything he saw that day. Which like, fair, that mission gave me chills.
It's less that he thinks 621 betrayed him and more a belief in the curse of Gun Thirteen as being a real tangible thing attached to the pilot with the designation, as if killing 621 will un-curse the Redguns. Even if they never lifted a hand against the other Redguns it's still 621's fault.
The terrifyingly sad part is when he kills you, he snaps out of his PTSD episode and can't believe what he just did; refusing to believe he actually killed you (him saying "sound off" like someone saying "wake up" to a dead loved one). He killed the last friendo he had, and most likely doesn't even remember how or why..
@@gigabone3832 what is the missions name ? this looks like the mission where allmind tells you to go back into depth 1 to be saved maybe there's just a way to not encounter g6 in the mission
@ibraaulia9908 ture that one you need to go right and down in the same place where you activate the generators and take the lift you can hear him also 😂 I think he is the last combat log to acquire
In the JP voice G6 red doeasnt call youa as " the curse of the red guns" but instead he calls you as " The devil of the red guns" which is a referecne to the gundam pilots in the gundam universe. ( E.G Amuro ray as the white devil )
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Iguazu felt like the Redguns never gave a shit about him, but he's proven wrong several times: Volta's data log, Red lamenting him dying to the G13 curse, Michigan sticking up for him to Albany the MT pilot. Like yeah, they talk shit to his face, but his comrades cared for him on a fundamental level. Iguazu just took it all personally because he never felt good enough.
Yeah. Iguazu had a lot to prove. I wouldn't be surprised if he returns for a DLC in some sort of existential revenge.
G5 was a bitter cunt until the very end.
He couldn’t see how much they cared for him and they couldn’t figure out how to show him. In the end I think they’re both at fault for Iguazu never really being a team player. Iguazu for the way he acted and the redguns for not seeing how obviously their way of dealing with him was just making all the problems they had with him worse. The only one that could’ve possibly kept Iguazu calm would be Volta but…
@@miinyoo He is the final boss he ain't returning
@@afd1040 He returned like 3 times, death ain't stoping the salt on this man's veins
The major flaw with this game was I couldn't side with balam.
We doomed them to fall from the start with our cursed callsign G13😢
Lmao they really die in every route
@@muramasa870that and they aren't psychopath enought to scheme. Hell outta the 5 main faction they technically are the most honest one since they just work for coral cash unlike even dolamayan trying to assasinate you.
@@muramasa870 to be fair we doomed them far earlier when we killed the student pilot and destroyed their tester AC
Same I really hoped there was a Route for Balam, Michigan and Red treated us like Family the moment we joined :(
"Now, you're a real Redgun..."
Jesus Christ...
He also has different dialogue if you die to the other enemies, he say something like "Gun 13 Not you too!"
The NG++ ending just felt so chaotic. Like the lives of so many characters were just shattered in no time.
Yeah, siding with ALLMIND really just turned everything on its head went absolutely wild
@@Ikcatcher at that point i just thought-
*"You wanna make a monster out of me? Fine... kill them... kill them all..."*
that's what wars do. even in real file.
Ngl, I had a moment of worry cause you can hear EVERYONE was in full panic, especially when they were acknowledging everything going wrong.
"This is Hell! We're in Hell!"
"V.III Pater on scene... *sob* I'm here now."
Man...
Our man really had a heavy PTSD after knowing everyone but him are dead.
"Now you're a REAL redgun when he kills you hits harder knowing they're all dead, and quite a few of them at your hands potentially.
@@kirbyis4ever
*ahem* IGUAZU
@@justasimplegamer129 well, he's dead and become apart of ALLMIND.
@@MiniDienNah, Iguazus soul is his hatred and that will never die. Iguazu is immortal!
Killing Michigan, G6, Rusty, and Pater is the emotional equivalent of having to carry a 200 pound dumbbell in each hand while walking on legos. NG++ fuckin traumatized me…
I loved killing Pater. He's a narcissistic shallow prick who only cares about his status. You see that in NG++ when you kill him, you see that when you escape captivity if you killed Hawkins, he acts completely power-mad on the speaker. You also see this if you fight him and Hawkins. He puts on a facade of caring for people but the moment Hawkins dies, he fake-cries for a second then celebrates that he's finally got Hawkins' number. If he beats you, he thanks Hawkins for dying so he can go up the ranks, and if you beat him, he goes "But I just got promoted!"
He's a snake, I don't understand how anyone likes him.
@@disappointedfather5114
He’s not really faking, it’s more like some kind of dual personality disorder taking over, hence his AC’s name Dual Nature and its emblem. It’s probably also why Hawkins and O’Keefe were looking out for him.
If you let the enemy kill you when G6 is still alive, he's like "Not you too G13... :( "
Feels bad man. I hated having to take down the Guns squad. They all knew the score, but it just sucks that they consistently ended up on the wrong side of things
MEAN OLD MICHIGAN DIED OF A BAD FALL!
Except Iguazu, guy's an a**hole
@@zeehero7280 One of the few lines to make me proper laugh, but it's also a little sad if you think about it. Much the same way he mentions the medals "go real far when you throw them" (a common sign of disrespect towards your commanders), I imagine he said that not just to be funny, but also so that Balam wouldn't honor him as someone who died in a brutal mission, but rather just let him rest. No big funeral or ceremony for a "fallen soldier", just quietly taken out and replaced.
G6 Red Japanese voiced, Red adress G5 Iguazu as ''Iguazu-senpai'', leaving to me believe thats Red still respect Iguazu after all those events.
Redguns rly deserved better ending.
It really makes you wonder why. Maybe we’re missing some vital information for all the times he went missing. AWOL technically doesn’t mean that he ran and we only hear from an MT that assumed he ran. Maybe Iguazu isn’t the coward everyone assumes him to be. Also Iguazu is ranked surprisingly high in the arena, it could also be that Red just admires that Iguazu is genuinely skilled despite his bad augmentations.
@@samnunnink7575 Iguazu is G5, Red is G6, Iguazu is also higher in the arena rankings than Red (Red is in F tier), Iguazu is his superior in the redguns, "senpai" is a way of referring to an upperclassman or a mentor so its more just acknowledging that Iguazu is his superior. Hell Red is hardly an AC pilot he's their merc liason more like a desk jockey like Pater (but even Pater's fairly high up in the rankings compared), Michigan mostly hired him because his attitude impressed him (based on his arena blurb).
The Redguns are probably also pretty used to people with bad attitudes and don't really see how deeply resentful Iguazu is and just think he's a bit rough around the edges rather than a deeply spiteful person who can't see the forest for the trees.
@QuestionableObject All this is true but the point that I was trying to make is that Red still refers to him like this even after all his alleged cowardly actions and after he abandoned the red guns. It wouldn’t really make sense for him to still refer to Iguazu like this if Iguazu wasn’t apart of the red guns and even balam, and if Iguazu had done a bunch of cowardly things. I think that it could hint that more went on then what we see as 621. Maybe a dlc could expand on it or maybe I’m just looking too far into it.
Of course Red could also just be a bro.
Considering that Arquebus had control over the entire depths until All Mind reactivated all the defenses, Red must've been down there for days hiding from the Aequebus squads after his own MT squad was wiped out. Probably by us no less..
Its no surprise he's delirious and suffering from PTSD
The desperation in his voice is so raw.
Credit to Fromsoft I got all three endings and they all hurt in different ways. I cant remember any other game I've played having characters that got me as emotional as some of the last boss fights in this game.
Legit felt bad for how the Redguns were just bullied most of the time.
@@genericexcuse4737 yes because they're just honest people doing their work earnestly. They always get shafted because they dont plan to backstab you or attempt to assassinate you.
Even G1 is like "aight shit man, the skills! aight you got me guess i'll die C: btw that offer to join us is still open, ok shoot"
My only emotions were pissed off. I hate having to keep beating down on Iguazu. Sure it was nice to watch a very real friendship between Rusty and Raven, and sure I felt sorry for Walter and Carla hearing how betrayed they sounded. But, man, those final bosses were super crappy. Either hard in a bad way (damage output too high, too gimmicky or too much health) or too easy (Walter felt easier than some of the alfa arena fights!)
@@hectorbb4225 They really weren't too bad. They were hard, but not in an unfair way at all.
Man this mission was disturbing and tragic to me
From the chaos, to Ayre being sympathetic to the rapid lost of life while the complete opposite with ALLMIND’s cold demeanor and complete disregard of human life, to the dialogues like “this is hell, we’re in hell” and “I’ve never should’ve come here” plus the absolute terror in the voices of the rest when they see our AC and finally listening to all of Red and Pater’s dialogues made me feel like some devil but not a good way
I felt really disturbed playing through this mission. Like, all the previous missions it was just a job. The enemy knew that, I knew that.
This time though, just feels different. I don't have a focus, an objective other than survive.
@@alephkasai9384 Moreover, if you didn't notice the subtle hints to ALLMIND being a crazed/evil AI, this mission hammers it into your face - ALLMIND is not at all like Chatty. While Chatty both understood and appreciated humanity and their quirks, ALLMIND just see humans as tools to be used and discarded. The horrors committed by ALLMIND would eclipse anything ever before seen in all of Armored Core history.
This mission was the turning point - neither Ayre nor 621 trusted ALLMIND completely, and after seeing the cold destruction ALLMIND rained down, they would never allow things to go its way.
@@matasa7463 ALLMIND sees humanity as a whole. She doesn't care about preserving individuality. Thus, she justifies the atrocities she commits on Rubicon as "it benefits human race" or "it is necessary for humanity to evolve".
@@matasa7463 The sheer chaos and ALLMIND"s Cold Comments harmmered it in for me. The explosion coming from that tunnel wiping out ALL the forces on the Bridge followed by "A chain of human links is easily broken." THAT"S When I knew it was psychotic.
I took "I never should have come here" as a Skyrim reference and laughed.
The redguns were too pure for Rubicon 3, everyone including us were backstabbing mf who ruins field trips.
AllMinds cold delivery of the line of "A chain made of human links is easily broken" after blowing up the left over MTs after ayre's painful reaction gave me chills.
Yeah. I thought for sure she'd betray us instead of helping us, but she isn't some kind of terminator AI. She kept up her end of the bargain.
Ah, this mission was making me feel bad enough to see the Arquebus grunts getting annihilated, besides Snail I don’t really hate them, but then I run into this guy
What about Freud? What about those vespers in the underground city talking shit? Even the ones you fight in the "Kill the vespers" mission are kinda dicks to you.
@@hectorbb4225 Well if you really think about it. Freud is just a regular guy that likes mecha fights, he didn’t trash talk when fighting raven. Heck he even praises us during the fight. The guys in institute city are defectors from Balam, so they don’t count. The feel I get from fighting V3,V5 are that they are decent people. V6 Pater has some issues, but at least he’s pretty courteous when interacting with us. V7 is just too pathetic to be all that hateable.
@@joeaverage9772everyone on Rubicon is a monster in some way. None of us are decent people save for maybe 621 who doesn't seem to have a malicious bone in his body and only works because he has to as a pilot slave or to help his friends who helped him.
@@joeaverage9772only one of them is a defector. The other one (Maeterlinck) has always been a Vesper, and is said to be unconditionnally loyal to Arquebus
I love that Ayer sincerely regrets the loss of life when it can be avoided. She really is the best waifu in my head ;~;
Ayre: Could you assassinate the people who saved us? It’s for my potentially galaxy ending family please.
@@samnunnink7575 to play Ayre's advocate, Carla and Walter wanted to burn the entire planet. She saw them as unreasonable and willing to murder millions of innocent lives because they feared Coral's potential.
Imagine if we had a mercy option, we could have spared him and hoped he doesn’t get killed by ALLMIND.
Red is so god damn scared here. Wish I could talk him down.
G6 Red was voiced by Robbie Daymond, a friend and costar of Critical Role.
Wait isn't that the same guy who voices Akechi in persona 5?
Actually, there is a line that you can hear that will be destroyed before going against G6.
After finished all endings, I don't even have courage to start this game again. The EMOTIONAL DAMAGE just choke me
Oh man, I missed this room during my escape. This makes this sequence even more tragic.
It’s sad because you can actually get this dialogue while not betraying the Redguns basically at all, besides initially killing the fledgling G13. G6 Red was just broken by everything he saw that day. Which like, fair, that mission gave me chills.
It's less that he thinks 621 betrayed him and more a belief in the curse of Gun Thirteen as being a real tangible thing attached to the pilot with the designation, as if killing 621 will un-curse the Redguns. Even if they never lifted a hand against the other Redguns it's still 621's fault.
I have never played a game where I didn't want to fight someone as much as I didn't want to fight G1 Michigan and G6 Red. The Redguns deserved better.
Would love if they brought out an update that added a balam ending.
Killed him to quickly, missed his dialogue. Thought that be to random to find so easily on the internet. I was wrong, thank you!
The terrifyingly sad part is when he kills you, he snaps out of his PTSD episode and can't believe what he just did; refusing to believe he actually killed you (him saying "sound off" like someone saying "wake up" to a dead loved one). He killed the last friendo he had, and most likely doesn't even remember how or why..
I didn't even know there was alternate dialogue for letting him die. This game really knows how to hit you in the feels.
REDGUN ENDING DLCS PLEASE. I'M BEGGING YOU
You forgot one, if you die helping him you get an line
This was recorded very early before I did that other video.
Man that help me line... 😢. Sound off as well....o7 G6 Red, it was an honour
He gives dialogue if you die while he’s still allied to you.
Thank god I never come across G6 this hurts way worst after being forced to kill VIII Pater
There's also script if you die trying to help him
Is there any dialogue if you just run away from him instead of fighting?
It locks you down there with him, unfortunately.
G5 Iguana liked us...I believe
Redguns? More like Red Gones!
Haha!
As a fellow Balam lover, I apologize. Feel free to kill me.
I’ll see myself out.
wait i dont think i got this mission on my ng++ run wtf
that's strange, did you get both of the other endings?
@@gigabone3832 yes, i think pretty much everything else on my ng++ run was normal aside from this
@@ibraaulia9908 huh, maybe you gotta reinstall the game, other then that I don't know
@@gigabone3832 what is the missions name ? this looks like the mission where allmind tells you to go back into depth 1 to be saved maybe there's just a way to not encounter g6 in the mission
@ibraaulia9908 ture that one you need to go right and down in the same place where you activate the generators and take the lift you can hear him also 😂 I think he is the last combat log to acquire
what if you save him and then bail before or after he turns on you?
I need g5 in another crabs treasure
Firth:
Is there dialogue or the ability to do damage to him prior to him attacking you, when he's still marked as ally?
You can't attack or damage anything marked as an ally.
is there dialogue if you just leave back up the shaft instead of fighting him? or is that not possible
Get locked in
In the JP voice G6 red doeasnt call youa as " the curse of the red guns" but instead he calls you as " The devil of the red guns" which is a referecne to the gundam pilots in the gundam universe. ( E.G Amuro ray as the white devil )
You forgot one
Rip
1:59?
All the other redguns are dead/dying in that route
621/G13 is now dead
Dead = Real Redgun, because the redguns are dead
@@Arkar-pl9kubut that voice was scary
Gun13! What happened to the last one?
Died I guess
Yeah, its mentioned by Michigan that all the other G13s do not last long at all compared to 621.
people have speculated that the tester ac would be the next g13 but he got annihilated