Crown Vic parking brake cables, broken and seized bolt fun!
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2023
- Last time we saw the P71 Crown Vic Police Interceptor I was battling the 21 year old parking brakes, and not having fun. After a break of a few days Im back on it to try again. With mixed results...
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Remember this car spent it's life where salt was used in huge amounts. Penetrating oil is worthless. You should be able to get parts locally, the lug nut and stud.. You forgot to order shock absorbers.
I did add them as well!
I'd have got a few lug nuts when you're at it....
Try and undo the forward trailing arm Matt to give you room to get a socket on the seized bolt hex socket and do it up a little tighter before you try and undo the dam thing ,looking at it further as the bolt is long and waisted ,try and warm up the bolt at both ends,on the head first and let it cool down ,hen the far end where it's in the calliper carrier.
Good luck.
I was thinking that would be the next level to this
I really admire your perseverance and unflappability on jobs like this. Old cars, don't you just love 'em. I'd have given up and sought professional help. All the aggro will be worth it once sorted and she's out on the road again.
Nice one. Hell of a job, but rewarding in the end despite the sheared lug bolt. Similar happened to me with my old MGF, but sorted in the end.
I'm in New Zealand and when I was driving my daily in 1972 onwards which was a MK2 Zephyr I used to have to take the hand brake cable of that every 18 months and slide the inner cable out of the outer and clean in in diesel and put it back together so it would keep working so you doing that reminded me of those days as the cable looked a lot like what you were working with. I have still got the car but I have put mud flaps on now so I don't get it so much now but I only go to car shows in it now..
I'm a bit late to this party, but I've done this entire job on my 98-02 Towncar and it all looks exactly the same. If you need them, I have spare rear caliper bolts, as I ordered them when I thought I lost them on one side. Found them under the seat. Long story.
Also, you've not got to the hard bit yet. The parking brake levers will almost certainly be seized. They lever apart the shoes to push against the drum. You might have to slide the axle shafts out to replace those. That's a diff-casing open job, but I'm no mechanic and have done all this outdoors on a jack too. You'll be fine. Good luck.
Good progress. For the broken wheel stud First jack up the rear end so both wheels turn, then you just take the rotor off, then loosen the parking brake shoes from the backing plate. Then take a large punch and a hammer and whack the old stud out. To put the new one in you can feed it into the stud hole then you have to turn the hub (hence the need to have both wheels off the ground), at some point there is a deep depression in the backing place so the stud will go in the stud hole. I myself, just remove the ABS sensor from the back of the backing plate so that leaves a hole in the backing plate. Then I line up the stud hole to that hole and put the stud in. I seat the stud with two washers and a lug nut. Take a tire wrench (do not use the socket gun) and turn the lug nut until the stud seats and then you are good to go. You might spray a bit of WD-40 into the stud hole to make it go in easier.
Of course it might be of benefit to make friends with some American car fans that are willing to post to England as these parts are easy to get here and surprisingly, the local Ford Dealer has competitive prices for OEM parts vs Rock Auto. You might also see if there is an entity that sells the stuff over in the UK as there seem to be a lot of Vics over there now.
You are right about it being cheap to maintain a Vic in the USA. Plus we have plenty of them in local pick and pull junkyards so you can always find parts for them. As for American cars being easy to work on, yes some are but some are a pain. I have a 2018 Ford Escape (called Kuga in the UK) and you have to remove so much stuff just to get the battery out.
Never give in Matt. You'll win at the end. Old cars are like that. Just come here after watching another UA-camr having the corroded subframes welded on his aged Ferrari. Worth it though.
I love the sound of that start up when operating the starter on those modular V8s. I get that same sound every time I turn the key on my MG ZT 260. The induction sound when the V8 comes on song as the revs climb is another joyous experience for the old ears. When that blends with the exhaust sound under long tunnels an even better experience I never tire of hearing.
Guess I'm not the only one that has crown vics AND a smart car. Best of both worlds.
Get the shoes sorted first, the stud will bash out from the drive flange with the shoes out the way so no huge dramas!!! Changed three wheel studs on two Toyota Hi Lux within the past two weeks on their rear drum axles so that'll be exactly the same. Just take car when pulling the new stud back into the drive flange that that new treads don't get damaged by stretching them. Do admire your give it go attitude especially doing everything outside!!! 😊😊
Pro tip on the passenger side caliper. Jack the car up on the suspension/axle on the side and the bolt you seek to remove will now be above the control arm so you can use a proper 6-point socket on the caliper bolt. That's how I roll if I'm not lazy. Usually I am lazy tho so I just use the ratcheting wrench. In any case, the bolt is kinda long so I think you still need to lift thay side high enough to clear the control arm. It's been a couple years since I replaced the rear brakes and parking brake cables so so my memory ain't so good.
I suggest ordering more lug studs and nuts. I’ve wrenched off a few myself. Having spares is nice.
Also, did the parking brake cable on my 2001 Ranger. It’s very much the same. It was a little rough as you’ve seen. 😂
at the price of the shipping to the cost of the stud and nut it may have been worth ordering a couple of spares just in case also a calliper bolt, i had a 1962 a4o and almost every nut or bolt i removed involved a drill, grinder of blowlamp! and the wheel studs had a tendency to strip threads at the drop of a hat so i had a large stock of af nuts and bolts on had for even the smallest of jobs , joys of classic cars , i can fell you frustration !!! thanks for the content
Some progress is better than no progress. OK as with many 5 minute jobs a few 20 minute jobs need to be done as well and parts procured. Getting the new shocks saves another separate lunge under the car so sorting it all out in one (or two) goes makes sense. Looking forward to an update when the bits turn up. Thanks for sharing.
An old fashioned Ford dealership in the UK would of probably tried to get you the parts, there must be a few left in the UK that don't belong to Trust, Bristol Street etc. Good luck with brake bolt Matt.
Those prices are without any taxes, US Sales Tax applied at point of sale, not included in the price displayed, which is why the shipping to the UK is expensive as that includes the VAT and Customs charge that you pay on them (and the cost of the shipping) when imported. The shipping company passes it to HM Revenue and Customs. If you get a charge to pay before delivery then it has not been included in the shipping cost. Learnt a lot about importing stuff (and the costs and correct mistake free declarations/paperwork) since Brexit. Like paying two lots of VAT (UK and IE) when a UK supplier does not have a Duty/VAT free sales arrangement with HMRC.
Have got to rely on An Post's AddressPal service both from UK and US for both cheap, quick tracked shipping and to pay (charged to me before delivery) all the VAT and customs charges. Goods being delivered to their Mail hubs in each country.
Oh this title is PTSD for me after this weekend. Seized drop link bolts on my Boxster on all corners, and parking brake adjustment after rear disc replacement. It was a bit of a pain and frustrating is not the word 😂
All done now though, and treated it to a good wash on Sunday afternoon
This and the Tomcat are my favourites of your fleet. Always good to see you with them
Nice update there should be so many places over here you can get parts from that will make it easier
Hi matt, got my vic at last, bought it from Ben down in Kent, gonna get it rust protected in the summer, keep up the good work dude 👍
I think I’ve seen your pics on Facebook, you’ve got a really good one there
@@furiousdriving ah that's my bro, I'm not on Facebook yet will be soon tho, but it's a gorgeous car, just ordered a box full of parts from rock auto and there really quick with there shipping
What a nightmare to replace! Everything rusted in place. Keep it up.
On Saturday I did some preventative maintenance on my perfectly working car. 6 hours of fettling and I had a broken car. Oh the joy. I feel your pain. I’ve said to my Mrs next time I suggest doing something on the car, handcuff me.
Love the car , love the commitment you have to it and every job you do just improves a legend
Things shouldn't be that hard to take apart. Also, I would be careful about using a swivel fitting in conjunction with an impact tool. Better to have your tool directly inline with the bolt or nut you're trying to remove, even if you have to take extra steps to get access to it. Those 10 MM bolts on the rear caliber can be removed by interlocking two open end - box end wrenches together to make sort of makeshift breaker bar, and to give yourself more leverage. If it is really stuck, try laying on the ground and using your shoulder muscles to push upwards on the two wrenches locked together, and then it should come off. I don't know what happened to that wheel stud, but maybe someone at the tire store over tightened it with an air wrench. Anyway, best of luck, and I wish I were there to lend a hand.
Great little Tinkering Video Matt, don't you just hate working on old cars some days.
Yes, the sheer folly of not EVER using the parking brake
and it [ not unsurprisingly ] seizing up. Been there, done that,
took me ages to get it to operate correctly. Please ensure
the brake shoes return after a park brake application or you
get a smell of burning, very hot rear wheels and 11 mpg.
Has the w123 completely rusted away now? 😆 Just kidding, but am looking forward to the next update. I like the Crown Vic but w123, Volvo and todos los Rovers are my faves.
You will get all of this sort. Good job!
Glad you didn't get defeated!
I hate days like that! It's never just one problem!
I had the same problem with the wheelbolt on my Mondeo Mk4. Seeing the same issue on your Crown Vic I guess it's a common problem on Fords.. Keep up the good content Matt!
If you can not get that brake caliper bolt out just remove the carrier it's self should make it easier and all so undo the hand brake cable from in side the car and reconnect it back up last it normally has some sort of adjustment on them and is normally a lot lot easier
Love the Vic Vids!
If its helps you could undo the carrier from the axle then caliper will come away whole then you will have better access to the caliper bolt
Well,Matt at least you're still smiling and giving us some I've been there moments,keep you're chin up regards
One of them jobs that turns in to more jobs 👍
if it makes it easier, you could compress the spring and lift the axle up to get better access and hopefully get a 6 sided socked on a breaker bar in there.
I love the Crown Victoria. Great car.
It seems odd that Ford would not design a mirror image braking system. Is it possible that some time during car pool maintenance they have improvised and fitted a left hand hub carrier to the right hand side? Maybe they didn't have the correct part available? It looks like the handbrake cable has enough slack to swing round the other way? Is it something you could check with Rock Autos parts diagrams?
Filppen heck Matt that turned into a right saga.. felt for you when that stud snapped, at least the parts are cheap, one benefit of such a huge volume market like the US
You can use a ring spanner to press the fingers in all at once
A former American PD mechanic would do this in 30 mins with no mishaps - mind you it would have been the 104,000th job they'd have done on a Crown Vic lol
Hats off to your perseverance and im all for oddball cars. Liked nearly all of them so far but this one.. im not feeling it at all.
I don't know if you follow the Sleeperdude channel but he is always working on old American cars and fitting stuff like new carbs and manifolds. The prices do indeed seem ridiculously cheap which is how he manages to do so many cars.
Don't worry Matt it will all come together in good time 👍🙂👍
Good to see the Crown Vic again! 😀 Maybe it was worthwhile ordering some extra nuts and bolts, if you are paying for shipping anyway?
All the rest have would on and off really easily, this is the first time Ive ever experienced this (on any car)
Next time there is an issue with lug nuts, go to a dealer that sells McGuard lug nuts. They make them for Ford cars and are by far the highest quality lug nut I have found. I have run them on old Fords for years and have a set on my 1990 Volvo because I ran out of patience with the ROTTEN factory nuts
Please use the safety\lock pin on the jack stands
Crown Vic police car was on fellow Canadian UA-camrs "Cold war motors" on Saturday I gave yours a mention in their comments.
Thanks, wonder if people will follow over?
@@furiousdriving Hope so, both are great channels.
You need to get yourself some long ratchet spanner’s. There probably something you thought you’d never need but when you’ve got them, your use them all the time. These will definitely get caliper bolt off. 👍🏼
Might be an idea to get a few more lug nuts and bolts if they are cheap if you are buying them anyway. You never know when they might come in handy again.
I assume you're in England? I don't suppose you see many Crown Vics over there. Hope you're enjoying driving it.
Isn't rock auto the absolute bollocks? I admit shipping to the UK can take a while but the prices and sheer range of what's available is amazing, I need a starter for a 69 Lincoln and it's less than it would cost to change the oil on a fiesta!
They are incredible! Be stuffed without them
Are you sure a previous owner didn't fit the LH rear disk setup on the right side? It does seem odd that the handbrake cable will come in from the rear. Maybe the RH parts werent available?
6 sided tools wherever you can is the key. That wheel nut must’ve been on there properly tight to sheer a stud! Crown Vic’s should be relatively easy to sort out I’d have thought. Best of luck.
Torque on the lug nuts is supposed to be 92 lb/ft. Often they are over tightened. A shop did that to my brother's 86 Colony Park and one of the alloy wheels broke and the other three cracked.
why order only one of each nut and stud? get 6 of each, that way you have some spares if needed down the track. also see if the stud is the same as a Mustang, you might be able to get one locally if so.
Two questions, what year model is your Crown Victoria? And are you still needing the orange indicators for the rear? Because you can order on ebay a set for a 98-03 model with the orange indicator slots. My crown vic is a 2001 and it has them from the factory.
lol , when you were on Rock-Auto's site ordering the stud & lug-nut i was yelling ' remember the shockers ' .... looks like you heard me , so all good
Love to see the Crown Vic. I have a 1988 Lincoln Town Car, a '79 Buick estate wagon and an ex US Forest Service '87 Suburban. Addictive aren't they?
Very! Wonderful things
@@furiousdriving If you are ever up my way (Lincolnshire) feel free to drop by for a look if you like. You may even get a cup of tea. I have a Morris Minor, Citroen Ami and a Corvette too. I think I need some sort of therapy.
Progress slowly never replaced a hand brake cable on any vehicle l have iwned adjusted them and used them all the time Australia no snow no salt in Sydney Australia
Did u try to undo the caliper bracket bolts? The wheel nut might have been cross threaded if someone had used an impact to tighten it.
Got the top carrier bolt out non trouble, the bottom one is welded on..
I always start wheel nuts by hand, don’t remember if I’ve had that wheel off ever before
Someone had cross threaded that nut seen it before where people have obviously used the gun to wind a nut on fast, you should always screw the nut on by hand first then there's no possible way of cross threading
Are none of the US Ford parts available from Ford in the UK even to order?
Try changing the air distribution damper motor inside the dashboard of a 25 year old Volvo and you will soon find the handbrake cable change of the Crown Vic an easy job. 😅
not sure your aware, but the audio drops out at 3:43 and returns at 4:04
Working fine for me.
This is a summer time job god your hands must be falling off 😮
Personally once a bolt is turning a bit I move on from penetrating oil to spray grease. Grease is far better when dragging a nut over rusted threads. Bad luck with the broken bolt.
Matt remove the caliper and carrier together.
Hi Matt how you getting on with the Rover v8?
Waiting on the garage
It’s fighting you☹
So the hand brake cable change has gone a bit hubnut lol😢😅
Progress but then the fateful snap off cars don't you love them lol at least the cable is routed in now all the best donny
Surprised the caliper bolt was 10mm surely 3/8"" AF if American (9.5mm) maybe get better fit?
It’s a mix, I’ve found both on it!
You want to be in NZ we pay way too much for all our parts 😭
Shipping as far as you possibly can to get to you!
maybe you should have ordered extra just in case of future incidences?
Another good video 🚗🚙🚘👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
First greetings from Greece
Hello!
Hi mate how may I contact you I have a inquiry and couple questions 🙏
This is denting my interest in the Lincoln Towncar so you must endure, sir! You must!
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Lug nut, its a wheel nut, come on man, this is the UK not New York. 🤪
Yipee I'm 1,920th today Matt.
Parking brake cable on a Crown Vic? You aint' seen nothin" yet.
Lo Matt, i cannot help but admire your doggedness. Wondering why ye don't jusy say F*** IT and order a complete new caliper. As you say parts are cheap.. As i have said before i run a "003 Honda Civic and i am having issues with my 20 year old handbrake cables. used to do all my own work but Doctor says no. Been quoted £72 each{there is 2} plus 2hours labour +vat. approx £350. No the mechanic wasn't Dick Turpin. Later
Doesn’t matter if I get a new caliper or not if the old one won’t come off! It works fine and I won’t have to bleed the brakes as it is
Hit the bugger with loads of heat OR get sumbudy else to do it. Yeeha!!
that looks awful job to do, you must of had to edit a few naughty words out !
It would make a great video if you get the Crown Victoria up on a lift and wire brush and underseal it.