I wanna point out that the 7 highest ranked characters (Fox Yoshi Falco Sheilda Sheik Marth Mewtwo) are *coïncidentally* the 7 characters he's played the most in his career lmao
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 it's optional to do both. 70% damage dsmash is optimal on cc opponents, but you have to know when to play it safe or be more movement and specially aware.
@@666blaziken ty for the reply 👍 i wasn't sure if i would want to main peach because i always liked her but people always say shes braindead in melee with just using dash attacks and down smash which is off putting to me
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 Don't worry about it, melee may be a very hard game at top level, but it has a lot of jank, some which tilt people more than others. Lots of games are like this, but melee's mechanics makes for a lot of creativity... But a lot of bullshit.
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 peach has some OP tools at low and mid level (like CC d smash) that will win you tons of games for free while you and your friends are scrubs. But she has some really difficult tech, and high execution combos that you'll need to master if you want to start playing peach vs stronger players
I like how ppl think Falcon tech chasing spacies is harder when he's faster, can cover options safely by going for a favorable risk/reward read, and has an eventual kill confirm with up throw (on some parts of stages) while sheiks have none of those luxuries and risk getting waveshine up smashed as their only extension option. If someone wants to prove me wrong with frame data and advantage states on down/up throws or how boost grab shiek beats out a dashing Falcon, then go ahead. It still comes down to the fact all sheiks need this super high risk/medium reward option whereas falcons literally don't.
falcon does not have an eventual kill confirm off his throws, it requires bad di from the spacies. similar to how sheik can get dthrow ftilt on bad di. sheik can tech chase with dash attack and down smash to get direct confirms and kills respectively WITHOUT a read. falcon cannot reliably tech chase with his launcher/kill moves which makes it significantly harder to convert off the throw. As for falcon being faster it doesn't really make a difference off the throw because spacies get sent much farther away initially than sheik's dthrow, making the setup/positioning more difficult, time consuming and precise to execute. but off the hit yeah falcon has the advantage for the tech chase and what u said about the risk/reward when covering tech options is 100% true
@@PG13xStevieG Falcon can Knee / Stomp rolls on reaction to kill, not to mention dsmash/sideb to cover a ton of options super easily. The fact that falcons U/Dthrow send away actually is a huge help because it stops you from being able to ambigious DI which is incredibly hard to cover with Sheik. It is legit like 10x harder to setup the techchase with Sheik, falcon just does dash WD with a very lenient timing. -Leffen
@@williamhjelte1981 Kneeing tech rolls is "possible" but requires you to react to the earliest distinguishing frame of the tech roll animation. The frame data of stomp does not allow for its use as a reaction to tech rolls, even if you are reacting to the earliest distinguishing frame of the tech roll animation. Using raptor boost as a tech chase is easily counterable on the defender's side, as it is obvious which roll the CF also wants to cover. Believe it or not, there is a good reason no top CF player has adopted a tech chase utilizing these "reactions" and "option coverages" in a consistent and meaningful way. Not shitting on Sheik, or you Leffen (mad respect), but I'm a bit tired of non CF players who think they know what they are talking about with CF without doing any meaningful research or testing. Now, if you were to say "CF can use instant up air and instant back air to cover rolls" I would agree with you, BUT these are inferior to a standard re-grab until mid/high percent and require nearly frame perfect execution.
@@leeleeisgay I appreciate the response, nonetheless, anyone can stomp tech rolls if they guess correctly. Tech roll in can be more lenient (depending on the setup, character, percent, etc.) because sometimes you do not need to dash, and they roll right under your stomp. Just some math to prove my point... 2 frames for earliest indication of tech roll, 12 for standard reaction time, 4 for jumpsquat, 16 for frame perfect down air, totaling 34 frames when a tech roll lasts 40. This means if a CF has to dash in order to stomp the destination of a tech roll, they have just 6 frames to do so, which is impossible if the CF also wants to be able to cover tech roll out and tech in place.
@@williamhjelte1981 I see, fair enough. I guess my biases still put her higher. Her tech is under utilized, Llod seems to be improving that on box though.
i know im a hater but i honestly think ganon could go below roy or pichu lol, its very much more a matter of when you hit rather than what it takes to hit someone with ganon
Peak fox privilege placement- literally has easy kill confirms against the entire cast and no bad moves, meaning his option select in neutral is brainless. Fullhop invalidates like half the roster and the character is hard? Nahhhh
Yoshi icies mewtwo ss tier no question. Sheik is D tier lol. Look at how many foxes have optimized things and look at how many Icys (no wobs) pikachus yoshis have.
@@Supertaldo916 the hard parts are actually connected to his grab imo. chaingrabbing with marth on fox/falco is way harder than it seems. if you want to keep chaingrabbing you have to perform a 1 frame timing several times in a row. also his air attacks are more laggy than people seem to think. i personally think marth's grab is worse than sheik's simply because of the difference in the throws. also if he isnt playing a spacie, his up throw sucks.
@@cancermancer692 but he has the easiest grab in the whole game, easiest and less punishable dash back, easy edgeguard on fast fallers, with a good kit to gimp characters, and multiple kill moves on floaties (fsmash, dsmash, uptilt, or tipper fair if everything else fails). i too wanted to hear about marth, i deff think mew2 is harder.
@@1DeadSpirit Marth's main thing is gimping. The dashback isn't as good as you think, and Marth definitely can't kill floaties. Not sure what you mean by that one. F-smash is not a good kill move, way too much startup and end lag, d-smash is too laggy, and up smash sucks. A ton of Marth's air attacks that everyone seems to have so much trouble with are still very punishable. Lastly a long grab means nothing if your throws are terrible most of the time. Before anyone mentions his falco laser power shield, that almost never works on a real player. On top of all of this, marth has to deal with Marth killer and several characters that are faster than him. Don't let the long range fool you, he is not easy. Just because one guy does well with Marth does not mean Marth is easy.
I know *insert down smash* meme But I definitely think that past the intermediate level, Peach is pretty hard. Loses most of her matchups, has a tough neutral against half of the cast, previously god tier punish game is slowly falling out by comparison of the progression of each cast member. I think Peach is good, but I definitely think there's a reason she's not seen as widely and pretty much no one has stepped up with the consistent results one might expect. EDIT: also hard agree with Leffen that people don't play Peach with the difficulty potential she has
Losing matchups/Being bad doesn't make a character hard. In that case Bowser would be the hardest and this tier list would just be a regular tier list, but in reverse. Also Peach has good results still even post Armada, not sure if you've been paying any attention to the scene lol. -Leffen
Weird to rank Peach so low. Peach is just as hard as sheik if not harder. You judge the other characters by how hard they are to play at the top level, but not peach for some reason. Saying all peaches do is wavedash back downsmash is kinda silly as that is only one mixup. If you watch the good peaches like lloD, Trif, Polish, and Ryobeat, you should know that they do a lot of hard stuff and crazy mixups and reads. Peach has a very hard time in neutral, while her punish game is prolly the easiest out of the top 10, her neutral might be the hardest since she is so slow and has telegraphed approaches. Plus, she has a lot of cool stuff with double jump canceling and float canceling, as well hyperfloats and slapdashing. She's a pretty technical character, I'd say prolly more technical than sheik or marth. Weird to put her so low. I'd say she's just as hard to play as sheik, and would put her right above marth. You should be judging how hard she is to play at the highest level, not what "most peaches do" that's silly. Because than sheik and marth would be really easy since all sheiks do is spam tilts, and all marth players do is dash dance, grab and dash dance fsmash.
sheik required to react tech chase is crazy wouldnt it be play style specific? a lot of sheiks use needle cancels and ledge pressure to win but i don’t think it’d be harder to learn and even so reaction tech chasing can be habit related. however im not top 100 so maybe my opinion is biased on my own experiences maining them
he said this list refers to top 8 at a major performance, you can't drop opportunities like tech chases and expect to win with top 8's crazy punish games
this list might be biased towards leffen's own characters, not because he enjoys playing difficult-to-play characters as he says, but simply because he knows those characters aren't easy to compete with (on a pro top 8 level). Those characters are likely listed most accurately (except sheik). The rest are just extremely good guesses. (although i agree that jigglypuff is cake... who knows?? tight frame timings? lmao. poor boxboy)
falcon combos as easy as jigglypuff? with 16 jumps?? i agree he doesn't have technical hard stuff, buuuuuttt aaahhhhhhh that's hard to take in. ;( i'd put him at B level, between young link and peach
@@mlalbaitero at the highest level neither does pikachu. But he has more hit boxes, more complex execution, and is more fill. What does sheik have that’s difficult to execute? Boost grabs? Shino stalling?
@@mlalbaitero needle turnarounds/cancels are not hard. Give it half an hour in training mode and anyone can get it. And reaction tech chasing is all flow chart. Is this tier list assuming late 50’s reaction time?
@@mlalbaitero You act like DI is matchup specific. The worst punishment a sheik gets from missing her 0td is someone else's 0td, big whoop. That has nothing to do with the complexity of her kit. To answer your question: up b ledge stalls (5 angles all with different uses) mainly defensive up b ledge stalls on recovering opponent (see zain vs axe in recent sets), edge cancel side b recovery, fair aerial interrupts, shortened up b (just like sheik), his own di dependent chain grab on falcon and spacies (just like sheik), quick ledge grabs from onstage using up b (which axe/tyswift are still labbing), and a bunch of other more situational stuff. See ua-cam.com/video/ZNru1MFwwpY/v-deo.html Please boot up slippi and give some of this up b stuff. You'll realize how difficult it is
I'd put falco lower than fox because laser is such a crutch- whether it's getting off ledge or in neutral. Falco shine is also wayyyyy easier to convert off of than fox's in spacie matchups (the most important/relevant matchups). I'd probably put falco two tiers below fox in all honesty. I'd also put marth/puff lower. They both just have absurd disjoint that skews risk reward so much in their favor in like every neutral interaction. neither has to do anything technical ever. I actually can't imagine a fighting game character designed to be easier to play as than puff lol (granted I haven't played any other fighting games).
Marth is around as easy as falcon, you get tippers just by playing normally cause you will want to play from a range anyway, and even if you don't it doesn't matter much unless it's a kill confirm, and down air spike is braindead easy to hit.
The tier list is interesting, but there is a list, or rather a book we all need to make it in to, and that is the book of life. You see, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and we need His son, which is His word manifest in the flesh, Jesus Christ, to save us and set us free from our sins. Turn to Him, repent of your sins, be buried with Him under the waters of baptism, and recieve His Holy Spirit!
I really don't understand the logic here. In fact, I'd argue that until Leffen can beat literally everyone in the world with every character, this list is hilariously pointless.
You're confused because you've misunderstood what the tier list is. It's about execution difficulty. It's not about potential, results or succeeding. The only reason it has any nuance to it is because we're only considering tournament relevant tech, so we exclude arbitrarily difficult execution like shield breaking multi shines and TAS sdi.
reading Rubicon4's messages on how falcon deserves to be treated as harder was so annoying to see, esp when egging leff at the end of the video, like bro let the content man make his content, at the end of the day the list doesn't effect you
pretty much shows that Leffen knows barely anything... Marth is like THE character to pick up for any noob. Freaking easy to play and barely any hard tech.
I wanna point out that the 7 highest ranked characters
(Fox Yoshi Falco Sheilda Sheik Marth Mewtwo)
are *coïncidentally* the 7 characters he's played the most in his career lmao
Was waiting for someone to say this, wasn't expecting it to be the GOAT of ssf2
classic leff
that's what I was thinking
bruh he literally addresses this in the video and says it’s not a coincidence
doesnt it add more to it because he would know the hard aspects of those characters?
How people expect to play peach: djc, float cancelling, turnip regrab tricks.
How people actually play petch: dash attack downsmash.
can you still play her the expected way or is it not optimal
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 it's optional to do both. 70% damage dsmash is optimal on cc opponents, but you have to know when to play it safe or be more movement and specially aware.
@@666blaziken ty for the reply 👍
i wasn't sure if i would want to main peach because i always liked her but people always say shes braindead in melee with just using dash attacks and down smash which is off putting to me
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 Don't worry about it, melee may be a very hard game at top level, but it has a lot of jank, some which tilt people more than others. Lots of games are like this, but melee's mechanics makes for a lot of creativity... But a lot of bullshit.
@@apkhbmbgamlkbh1531 peach has some OP tools at low and mid level (like CC d smash) that will win you tons of games for free while you and your friends are scrubs. But she has some really difficult tech, and high execution combos that you'll need to master if you want to start playing peach vs stronger players
“Every character I’ve ever went is hard and everyone else is carried”
lmao dude I was literally gonna say the same thing, all the characters he's played have a boost
Alwyas curious to see the ranks of people who disagree like this 😂
This is probably the worst tier list I've ever seen
I like how ppl think Falcon tech chasing spacies is harder when he's faster, can cover options safely by going for a favorable risk/reward read, and has an eventual kill confirm with up throw (on some parts of stages) while sheiks have none of those luxuries and risk getting waveshine up smashed as their only extension option.
If someone wants to prove me wrong with frame data and advantage states on down/up throws or how boost grab shiek beats out a dashing Falcon, then go ahead. It still comes down to the fact all sheiks need this super high risk/medium reward option whereas falcons literally don't.
falcon does not have an eventual kill confirm off his throws, it requires bad di from the spacies. similar to how sheik can get dthrow ftilt on bad di. sheik can tech chase with dash attack and down smash to get direct confirms and kills respectively WITHOUT a read. falcon cannot reliably tech chase with his launcher/kill moves which makes it significantly harder to convert off the throw. As for falcon being faster it doesn't really make a difference off the throw because spacies get sent much farther away initially than sheik's dthrow, making the setup/positioning more difficult, time consuming and precise to execute. but off the hit yeah falcon has the advantage for the tech chase and what u said about the risk/reward when covering tech options is 100% true
@@PG13xStevieG Falcon can Knee / Stomp rolls on reaction to kill, not to mention dsmash/sideb to cover a ton of options super easily.
The fact that falcons U/Dthrow send away actually is a huge help because it stops you from being able to ambigious DI which is incredibly hard to cover with Sheik. It is legit like 10x harder to setup the techchase with Sheik, falcon just does dash WD with a very lenient timing.
-Leffen
@@williamhjelte1981 Kneeing tech rolls is "possible" but requires you to react to the earliest distinguishing frame of the tech roll animation. The frame data of stomp does not allow for its use as a reaction to tech rolls, even if you are reacting to the earliest distinguishing frame of the tech roll animation. Using raptor boost as a tech chase is easily counterable on the defender's side, as it is obvious which roll the CF also wants to cover. Believe it or not, there is a good reason no top CF player has adopted a tech chase utilizing these "reactions" and "option coverages" in a consistent and meaningful way.
Not shitting on Sheik, or you Leffen (mad respect), but I'm a bit tired of non CF players who think they know what they are talking about with CF without doing any meaningful research or testing. Now, if you were to say "CF can use instant up air and instant back air to cover rolls" I would agree with you, BUT these are inferior to a standard re-grab until mid/high percent and require nearly frame perfect execution.
@@jakobkinz123456 I'm pretty sure you can stomp tech roll in, idk how consistent it is but there's vids out there of people doing it
@@leeleeisgay I appreciate the response, nonetheless, anyone can stomp tech rolls if they guess correctly. Tech roll in can be more lenient (depending on the setup, character, percent, etc.) because sometimes you do not need to dash, and they roll right under your stomp.
Just some math to prove my point... 2 frames for earliest indication of tech roll, 12 for standard reaction time, 4 for jumpsquat, 16 for frame perfect down air, totaling 34 frames when a tech roll lasts 40. This means if a CF has to dash in order to stomp the destination of a tech roll, they have just 6 frames to do so, which is impossible if the CF also wants to be able to cover tech roll out and tech in place.
He put IC's where their peak is but he put Peach where most people play her.
That's kinda weird.
No, peak ICs would be doing all the hardest desyncs that aren't even practical. Editing might cut out some of the context though.
-Leffen
@@williamhjelte1981 I see, fair enough. I guess my biases still put her higher. Her tech is under utilized, Llod seems to be improving that on box though.
i know im a hater but i honestly think ganon could go below roy or pichu lol, its very much more a matter of when you hit rather than what it takes to hit someone with ganon
"gentleman 3 time right now" - Rubicon4
this is like asking amsa to multishine consistently
Every character is extremely hard at top level.
You completely missed the point of the video!
fox
My character is harder than your character end of story 😤
Sheik being a harder character to maximize is a bit of a stretch
sheik A tier?? 😂
now that wobbling is banned, knowing how to desync and control nana properly is insanely hard
No, Leffen doesn't play Icies therefore they are easier than Marth, you don't get his point.
The salt against this character will last ages.
Peak fox privilege placement- literally has easy kill confirms against the entire cast and no bad moves, meaning his option select in neutral is brainless. Fullhop invalidates like half the roster and the character is hard? Nahhhh
absolute facts
great content. thank you!!
Atleast he put yoshi as hard. Fox is hard but their some other characters that are harder to play well.
Peach is easy but Falco dair spam when near laser spam when away and shine spam whenever your close is hard? lmfao
Yoshi icies mewtwo ss tier no question. Sheik is D tier lol. Look at how many foxes have optimized things and look at how many Icys (no wobs) pikachus yoshis have.
Leffens explanation for marth is just “marth is hard” I would love a bit more explanation because it seems a lot easier than mewtwo for example.
He is hard, I can assure that he is hard
Spacing tippers consistently and knowing how to use weak hits and sweet spots to combo sounds pretty hard imo
@@Supertaldo916 the hard parts are actually connected to his grab imo. chaingrabbing with marth on fox/falco is way harder than it seems. if you want to keep chaingrabbing you have to perform a 1 frame timing several times in a row. also his air attacks are more laggy than people seem to think. i personally think marth's grab is worse than sheik's simply because of the difference in the throws. also if he isnt playing a spacie, his up throw sucks.
@@cancermancer692 but he has the easiest grab in the whole game, easiest and less punishable dash back, easy edgeguard on fast fallers, with a good kit to gimp characters, and multiple kill moves on floaties (fsmash, dsmash, uptilt, or tipper fair if everything else fails). i too wanted to hear about marth, i deff think mew2 is harder.
@@1DeadSpirit Marth's main thing is gimping. The dashback isn't as good as you think, and Marth definitely can't kill floaties. Not sure what you mean by that one. F-smash is not a good kill move, way too much startup and end lag, d-smash is too laggy, and up smash sucks. A ton of Marth's air attacks that everyone seems to have so much trouble with are still very punishable. Lastly a long grab means nothing if your throws are terrible most of the time.
Before anyone mentions his falco laser power shield, that almost never works on a real player.
On top of all of this, marth has to deal with Marth killer and several characters that are faster than him.
Don't let the long range fool you, he is not easy. Just because one guy does well with Marth does not mean Marth is easy.
I know *insert down smash* meme
But I definitely think that past the intermediate level, Peach is pretty hard. Loses most of her matchups, has a tough neutral against half of the cast, previously god tier punish game is slowly falling out by comparison of the progression of each cast member. I think Peach is good, but I definitely think there's a reason she's not seen as widely and pretty much no one has stepped up with the consistent results one might expect.
EDIT: also hard agree with Leffen that people don't play Peach with the difficulty potential she has
Also not saying she's harder than anyone else, but that I think it's at least worth noting
Losing matchups/Being bad doesn't make a character hard. In that case Bowser would be the hardest and this tier list would just be a regular tier list, but in reverse.
Also Peach has good results still even post Armada, not sure if you've been paying any attention to the scene lol.
-Leffen
@@williamhjelte1981 I don't watch anymore, but thanks for the input!
So it’s a difficulty in executing game plan tier list?
Weird to rank Peach so low. Peach is just as hard as sheik if not harder. You judge the other characters by how hard they are to play at the top level, but not peach for some reason.
Saying all peaches do is wavedash back downsmash is kinda silly as that is only one mixup. If you watch the good peaches like lloD, Trif, Polish, and Ryobeat, you should know that they do a lot of hard stuff and crazy mixups and reads.
Peach has a very hard time in neutral, while her punish game is prolly the easiest out of the top 10, her neutral might be the hardest since she is so slow and has telegraphed approaches. Plus, she has a lot of cool stuff with double jump canceling and float canceling, as well hyperfloats and slapdashing. She's a pretty technical character, I'd say prolly more technical than sheik or marth. Weird to put her so low. I'd say she's just as hard to play as sheik, and would put her right above marth.
You should be judging how hard she is to play at the highest level, not what "most peaches do" that's silly. Because than sheik and marth would be really easy since all sheiks do is spam tilts, and all marth players do is dash dance, grab and dash dance fsmash.
sheik required to react tech chase is crazy wouldnt it be play style specific? a lot of sheiks use needle cancels and ledge pressure to win but i don’t think it’d be harder to learn and even so reaction tech chasing can be habit related. however im not top 100 so maybe my opinion is biased on my own experiences maining them
he said this list refers to top 8 at a major performance, you can't drop opportunities like tech chases and expect to win with top 8's crazy punish games
You need good needles in neutral and you also need to convert knockdowns into hard punishes when you get them as sheik
At top level you pretty much need rtc in order to win. Especially against spacies (specifically fox). Below 50% they can cc so many of your moves.
this list might be biased towards leffen's own characters, not because he enjoys playing difficult-to-play characters as he says, but simply because he knows those characters aren't easy to compete with (on a pro top 8 level). Those characters are likely listed most accurately (except sheik). The rest are just extremely good guesses.
(although i agree that jigglypuff is cake... who knows?? tight frame timings? lmao. poor boxboy)
Aww, the classic Leffen bias is present at its finest in this tier list.
good to know that if i play a character i can say its the hardest character in the game
Falcon has wizzy who leffen struggles against.
falcon combos as easy as jigglypuff? with 16 jumps??
i agree he doesn't have technical hard stuff, buuuuuttt aaahhhhhhh that's hard to take in. ;(
i'd put him at B level, between young link and peach
Why the fuck is shiek above pikachu? pikachu has like 12 hitboxes on his upair, and like 36 possible angles on his up b.
His up air has *3* hitboxes
@@Megatwilightwarrior Sheik mains use 3 hitboxes total
@@mlalbaitero at the highest level neither does pikachu. But he has more hit boxes, more complex execution, and is more fill.
What does sheik have that’s difficult to execute? Boost grabs? Shino stalling?
@@mlalbaitero needle turnarounds/cancels are not hard. Give it half an hour in training mode and anyone can get it. And reaction tech chasing is all flow chart. Is this tier list assuming late 50’s reaction time?
@@mlalbaitero You act like DI is matchup specific. The worst punishment a sheik gets from missing her 0td is someone else's 0td, big whoop. That has nothing to do with the complexity of her kit.
To answer your question: up b ledge stalls (5 angles all with different uses) mainly defensive up b ledge stalls on recovering opponent (see zain vs axe in recent sets), edge cancel side b recovery, fair aerial interrupts, shortened up b (just like sheik), his own di dependent chain grab on falcon and spacies (just like sheik), quick ledge grabs from onstage using up b (which axe/tyswift are still labbing), and a bunch of other more situational stuff. See ua-cam.com/video/ZNru1MFwwpY/v-deo.html
Please boot up slippi and give some of this up b stuff. You'll realize how difficult it is
Did Leffen say all of Kirby's throws, when 2/4 are unusable?
You haven't seen a master at his craft: ua-cam.com/video/tClSGIqcO2c/v-deo.html - Tirq
@@BIG_LEFF I retract my statement
Wonder if Leff has seen madtyro push the frame perfect luigi tech. Luigi difficulty level skyrockets with that tech considered
sheik is def down there with puff, lmao. hella bias xD
my friend used to call sheik "i want to play but not take the time to learn" character :)
I'd put falco lower than fox because laser is such a crutch- whether it's getting off ledge or in neutral. Falco shine is also wayyyyy easier to convert off of than fox's in spacie matchups (the most important/relevant matchups). I'd probably put falco two tiers below fox in all honesty.
I'd also put marth/puff lower. They both just have absurd disjoint that skews risk reward so much in their favor in like every neutral interaction. neither has to do anything technical ever. I actually can't imagine a fighting game character designed to be easier to play as than puff lol (granted I haven't played any other fighting games).
hes biased
Marth is around as easy as falcon, you get tippers just by playing normally cause you will want to play from a range anyway, and even if you don't it doesn't matter much unless it's a kill confirm, and down air spike is braindead easy to hit.
scuffed tier list
How is marth in A tier and Roy in D tier?
Really left Nana hangin there
Zelda is too high (I am a zelda main)
Falcon C for suree
Roy is one of the most hardest characters I had to get used to.
Yeah definitely his fall speed is just so strange but if you play marth you still have the fundies
Falco way harder than fox lol
i agree because falco has to hit way more reads, and his gameplan is way less straightforward, but fox is mechanically harder for sure
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if the requirement is to top 8 a major bowser should be sss tier lmao
Shiek and Martin are two of the easiest characters to play in the game. Horrible list
The tier list is interesting, but there is a list, or rather a book we all need to make it in to, and that is the book of life. You see, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and we need His son, which is His word manifest in the flesh, Jesus Christ, to save us and set us free from our sins. Turn to Him, repent of your sins, be buried with Him under the waters of baptism, and recieve His Holy Spirit!
If you'd replace "Jesus" with "Marth", I'd totes probably buy that book xD
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how is roy easier than marth
Who cares just play the game if you lose you lose no Johns.
I really don't understand the logic here. In fact, I'd argue that until Leffen can beat literally everyone in the world with every character, this list is hilariously pointless.
Leffens opinions are weird
this is such a weird tier list, you're taking characters that are the hardest to succeed with and calling them the easiest characters? what?
see 13:49
You're confused because you've misunderstood what the tier list is. It's about execution difficulty. It's not about potential, results or succeeding. The only reason it has any nuance to it is because we're only considering tournament relevant tech, so we exclude arbitrarily difficult execution like shield breaking multi shines and TAS sdi.
So bad
reading Rubicon4's messages on how falcon deserves to be treated as harder was so annoying to see, esp when egging leff at the end of the video, like bro let the content man make his content, at the end of the day the list doesn't effect you
the deep reason why puff induces rage, in addition to having rest is that: she's the easiest to play, yet one of the best to fight
pretty much shows that Leffen knows barely anything... Marth is like THE character to pick up for any noob. Freaking easy to play and barely any hard tech.
Leffen knows enough to win tournaments, you don't.
Jigglypuff is so easy she should be banned.