Hope you all enjoyed the video! Was tons of fun to watch, make sure to check out the original vod/give a sub ua-cam.com/video/WHCbxqDfXJ4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=turndownforwalt Also don't forget about part 2 vs Fox and episodes vs Marth/Falco/Falcon/Sheik/Puff can be found here if you wanna learn more about Melee metafy.gg/series/peach-deconstructed?msp=Armada
Awesome video dude, consider me impressed! Cool to meet you at Genesis and hopefully the content we worked on ended up every bit as good as you were hoping for
33:04 the case for using 1 TV the worst top tier is Peach, look at how no body has won with her since Armada stepped away.. but in the right hands maybe she is the best character in the game? (except vs. Puff)
People seem to forget the massive difference in usage rate between spacies and Peach. You could argue that spacies are the most popular because they're perceived as the best, but they're also popularized by certain streamers. While Peach usage is extremely low, the top players make up for the numbers. Trif has been #2 in Europe for a while, Llod is top 10 player, and the SWT tournament had like 4 Peach mains in top 8. If you measure the average placing by usage rate, Peach would probably be the best (Yoshi has an even lower usage rate, but also a bigger placing disparity between aMSa and everyone else. Similar story with Jigglypuff)
I thought that SWT was a major that was barred from being a supermajor due to the lack of some people such as Zain, Mang0, and Leffen. Was I misinformed and it was actually just a regional or super-regional? Or was it that Plup pulled out the Fox?
9:40 WHAT???????!!!! its also funny cause borp seems to have stopped playing and panenkoek seems to have resumed uploading lmao. Only one can be active at a time ig
and ur wrong lol falcon has two winning match ups vs two other top tiers, icies and peach. sheik has 3 winning match ups vs falcon, peach and Marth. Peach only beats icies. she loses to the rest of the top tiers
Falcon easily worst top tier. Bullies all below virtually. Still an insane character to be a top tier to begin with, but yeah, frame data bites falcon when he's up against other top tiers. Though if we're speaking in terms of SOLOing, Falcon is one of the best to not need a secondary. Fox/Marth Falco Puff Sheik Falcon ... Yeah, I think that seems like the top tier group to me. Falcon CAN jump to or already be at #5 really, I'll accept him being on par with Sheik. Both Falcon and Sheik suffer limitations that will cap them at 5 tops imo, but its just that Falcon is the EASIER of the two to exploit due to frame data and simplicity, whereas Sheik is a little more nuanced.
I swear that both Falcon and Sheik getting their opponent above CC percent is a magic trick. Clearly it happens, but I don't really understand how they manage it reliably without eating a heavy punish.
It's wild to me how they make an entire documentary about the first Sheik winning a major when Plup literally won a Genesis not too many years ago going mostly Sheik. Seems so desperate
@@ajajajaj6336 Two stylistically tough matchups and one slightly losing matchup and the rest comfortably not losing to dominant matchups isn't bad for a potentially 2nd best character. Personally, I think Sheik was for the longest time held back by wobbling being legal and by the three best players in the world being a puff and two foxes, as well as the best sheik players in the world, Plup and M2K, not feeling particularly loyal to the character and switching off for harder matchups.
@@ajajajaj6336 Puff and ice climbers is the main argument against me tbh and I will admit that those two characters are the reason she wouldn’t be higher for someone. Against fox and Falco tho I believe she can hold her own and she does so well against the rest of the cast imo.
@@Delightfully_Witchy yeah. I think he did once a poll, and the slight majority of people voted to just speak over the commentator. I imagine these people do nothing else other than watching Smash videos on UA-cam, and already know the original, so they want only Armada's opinion on it and be done with it.
Hope you all enjoyed the video!
Was tons of fun to watch, make sure to check out the original vod/give a sub ua-cam.com/video/WHCbxqDfXJ4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=turndownforwalt
Also don't forget about part 2 vs Fox and episodes vs Marth/Falco/Falcon/Sheik/Puff can be found here if you wanna learn more about Melee metafy.gg/series/peach-deconstructed?msp=Armada
Hey, that's me! Thanks for watching Armada!
Awesome video dude, consider me impressed!
Cool to meet you at Genesis and hopefully the content we worked on ended up every bit as good as you were hoping for
don't give out your hard work for free
@@exp5261?
Jmook is also my favourite player to watch. I do not main sheik, but I really appreciate him sticking to the character and labbing so many situations.
borp being the brother to pannakoek is crazy
JMooks Genesis story was so Armada-like. He went to grands vs the #1 player and losses, even changing to fox in the last game. Next year he wins!
Jmook about to win the next 2 genesis????
33:04 the case for using 1 TV
the worst top tier is Peach, look at how no body has won with her since Armada stepped away.. but in the right hands maybe she is the best character in the game? (except vs. Puff)
People seem to forget the massive difference in usage rate between spacies and Peach. You could argue that spacies are the most popular because they're perceived as the best, but they're also popularized by certain streamers. While Peach usage is extremely low, the top players make up for the numbers. Trif has been #2 in Europe for a while, Llod is top 10 player, and the SWT tournament had like 4 Peach mains in top 8. If you measure the average placing by usage rate, Peach would probably be the best (Yoshi has an even lower usage rate, but also a bigger placing disparity between aMSa and everyone else. Similar story with Jigglypuff)
@@equinox3861you literally just said a whole lot without saying anything at all lol
@@animaIpath Maybe try reading again? Sorry don't know how to help you.
@@equinox3861help yourself, cause you have no idea what ur talkin about lmao 🤡
@@equinox3861 what is it you are attempting to say? I'm with the other guy. The purpose of the post is lost on me
Thank you for the Melee content Armada!!
armada is itching to play melee i can feel it
Dat enthusiasm is slowly coming back 🎉🎉
4:20 Amsah one epita smash arena 2 which was one of only 2 majors in 2008
The goat has spoken
"I feel like I always _don't_ win," - A sheik player
Love the zoolandee reference going 10 miles over armada head
always a pleasure
Seeing Armada react to 6:12😂
I've counted that Armada had 21 major wins but it says peach only has 16 main wins am I missing something.
maybe not including when armada played fox
I think people got a lot better at getting out of techchase, with ambiguous di and no techs things have gotten way harder to react to
I thought that SWT was a major that was barred from being a supermajor due to the lack of some people such as Zain, Mang0, and Leffen. Was I misinformed and it was actually just a regional or super-regional? Or was it that Plup pulled out the Fox?
The fox😊
9:40 WHAT???????!!!! its also funny cause borp seems to have stopped playing and panenkoek seems to have resumed uploading lmao. Only one can be active at a time ig
Pretty sure borp retired at this point as well.
I’d recognize that icon anywhere. Leffen really IS *just the worst*
What?
probably peach
I agree, unless you count pikachu as a top tier
@@Finneaganpikachu is definitely not top tier
@@animaIpath I agree actually. Pikachu, ICs, and samus occupy a weird borderline tier between top and mid
@@Finneagan i say icies top tier yes; dysyncs are essentially wobbling that takes skill. pikachu and samus are high mid imo
@@animaIpath wait so who is high tier on ur list then
Can you do a video reacting to Jerami's new video about you?
7:59 Inaudible. Sheik`s what? :)
Sheik's needles
@@skydreamsans5356 Thank you
nipples :)
Falcon
In my heart of hearts I wanna say Sheik but
and ur wrong lol falcon has two winning match ups vs two other top tiers, icies and peach. sheik has 3 winning match ups vs falcon, peach and Marth. Peach only beats icies. she loses to the rest of the top tiers
Falcon easily worst top tier. Bullies all below virtually. Still an insane character to be a top tier to begin with, but yeah, frame data bites falcon when he's up against other top tiers.
Though if we're speaking in terms of SOLOing, Falcon is one of the best to not need a secondary.
Fox/Marth
Falco
Puff
Sheik
Falcon
... Yeah, I think that seems like the top tier group to me. Falcon CAN jump to or already be at #5 really, I'll accept him being on par with Sheik. Both Falcon and Sheik suffer limitations that will cap them at 5 tops imo, but its just that Falcon is the EASIER of the two to exploit due to frame data and simplicity, whereas Sheik is a little more nuanced.
I swear that both Falcon and Sheik getting their opponent above CC percent is a magic trick. Clearly it happens, but I don't really understand how they manage it reliably without eating a heavy punish.
@@gomjabbar6246 CC do fuck with them ye though they're the 2 best tech chasers, so they compensate
Falco is better than marth
@@lewisbirkett4428 yeah right lol
@@rapidretrovenue563 top tier = loses no matchups. Falco loses no matchups, Marth loses at least sheik and arguably more
lfg
Sheik? Am sleep
Ganon? REAL SHIT
It's wild to me how they make an entire documentary about the first Sheik winning a major when Plup literally won a Genesis not too many years ago going mostly Sheik. Seems so desperate
“Mostly sheik” bruh do you not understand the point of the video? It’s about solo sheik
Sheik is the 2nd best character in the game imo.
Well maybe but she is top 1 in boring asf
How could the 2nd best character have a losing matchup against puff, ice climbers, fox and arguably falco?
@@ajajajaj6336 Two stylistically tough matchups and one slightly losing matchup and the rest comfortably not losing to dominant matchups isn't bad for a potentially 2nd best character. Personally, I think Sheik was for the longest time held back by wobbling being legal and by the three best players in the world being a puff and two foxes, as well as the best sheik players in the world, Plup and M2K, not feeling particularly loyal to the character and switching off for harder matchups.
obvious troll is obvious
@@ajajajaj6336 Puff and ice climbers is the main argument against me tbh and I will admit that those two characters are the reason she wouldn’t be higher for someone. Against fox and Falco tho I believe she can hold her own and she does so well against the rest of the cast imo.
there is just no reason to speak, while the commentator does. annoying
Pausing the video *then* speaking would be nice.
@@Delightfully_Witchy yeah. I think he did once a poll, and the slight majority of people voted to just speak over the commentator.
I imagine these people do nothing else other than watching Smash videos on UA-cam, and already know the original, so they want only Armada's opinion on it and be done with it.
So we just content stealing now huh?
Dude, Armada is just reacting. He's just only putting his thoughts in the video