Jeff you’ve saved the heads of hundreds, if not thousands, of IKEA fasteners with this video. Those things shattered with my M12 impact driver on speed 1.
Then don't use an impact driver. Use a 18/20 volt drill driver, or hammer drill. Both, come with an adjustable clutch. Plus, are 10 times more useful for other projects than a 12 volt tool.
Agreed! Brought the impact driver simply because I am used to grabbing it, and soon found that well, the Ikea fasteners ain't Grade 5 bolts. Ended up going with hand assembly.
@@svn5994 @BILL Ladies ¡ ¿ Lads!? Calm yourselves, both 12V & 18V can meet standards. The owners/ creators DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT EITHER OF YOU. SO WHY SHOULD YOU! Never be co trolled. Be free men. 🇺🇸
I work in aviation and bought a drill/impact set for my first day. My boss looked through my box and saw the impact driver and told me to take it home. Impacts generally aren't used in aviation. So I went out and bought the brushless Dewalt 12v screwdriver. I love it, I use it every day and it's one of my more versatile tools.
I'm in the HVAC trade and have encountered so many stripped screws! Impact drivers have their place BUT not on screws in the sheet metal! Thank you for presenting this information! ❤
@@svn5994 actually Milwaukee has a sheet metal screw setting on several of its impacts. Puts the screw in and fast and stops before stripping. Others probably have similar settings.
Thank you. I'm tired of sealing up air exchanger and furnace panels due to the last guy stripping the holes. Even on newly installed units, they are always stripped. I use a m12 brushed screw driver, clutch on setting 4 or 5.
I agree 100%. I'm in HVAC too and I use the Dewalt 12v screwdriver gun and I love it. Lightweight, and very torquey too. It will take your wrist for a ride if you don't watch it.
I use the surge hydraulic impact driver on setting 1 or 2, it's not as powerful as a regular impact but still has plenty of power for bigger bolts. Works perfectly for me.
The surge does have pretty good low speed control and can do 95% of what most would do with a standard impact. I own the m18 version, but still picked up the Bosch Chameleon with last month's 149 deal. Having the attachments for one tool is quite handy, especially if you are putting things together like IKea type things and miscellaneous thinfs like grills, etc.
I've been using my Ridgid subcompact drill. Its got all the clutch settings to not strip screws. And its actually smaller than most of the 12v screwdrivers in the video.
You are/were so right on this topic. I went strait to Home Depot and picked up the Brushed M12 kit last night. Funny thing is, the display had the two pack of 1.5 batteries that come with the screwdriver, case and charger for the same price. Definitely the tool everybody needs and dont know it. Great topic. Thank you.
I completely agree with this. I bought a motorcycle back in January. It turns out the previous owner stripped out most of the bolts holding on the fairings. I'm betting he used an impact driver.
I went with the m12 fuel installation driver. Bought the m12 hex screwdriver also for $69, but returned it as I don't really need it. I do want to get some CP3.0 batteries though.
I only bought my first cordless screwdriver within the last 6 months -- Bosch pocket driver. You're 100% correct, I was destroying things trying to ride the trigger on an impact driver when it was too much for the application. I hate the M12 brushed version though, to be honest.
So true. I am an occasional DIY'er and gave up using the drill driver because I kept stripping screw heads. Had to resort to my favorite power tool: biceps. Will have to look into one of these.
Thanks buddy for posting this!!!! Because of your vid, I went and bought the Milwaukee on sale at HD for $69. I am building my wife a barn door and this thing is perfect for it. Thanks man!!!
I have the Milwaukee m12 screwdriver. I love it! Don’t know how I got along without it. It makes fast work out of assembling items that the fasteners that don’t need a lot of torque. Hell I’ve even driven smaller fasteners into soft woods and mdf without a problem or it bogging down.
there is no mac, cornwell, matco, etc near me and home depot/lowes is a nightmare to warranty shit. Spent 2 hours at lowes for a 1/2" Uni adapter because they only sold a kit of 3 so I had to harass them to separate it and honor it. Snapon took my decimated impact socket from 1980 something and no questions asked right then and there gave me the newest flank drive version since thats all the guy had on him. It's not just brand loyalty its quality service and tools made in the USA, hand tools that is. The lights/electronics suck.
@@tuggyboat I'm sure they love you as a customer....keep spending that money....you should never be in a pinch with tools..if your a mechanic you should have back up tools.The internet is open 24/7 with a click ....over night delivery is 24/7....
@@gsc01972 Snap-On couldn't care less if me as an individual bought their shit. I spend miniscule compared to the rest of the snap-on community. I love their tools, fit the nuts/bots right, dont fall out of the tool. Ratchets last a lifetime which others dont, tools are just designed right and I can afford a few tools here and there and I spend the money on it so who cares.
You're 100% right about their electric tools they are trash project farm just tested their electric ratchet and it started smoking when he left it running until the battery went dead it's pretty sad
As a small engine technician I swear by my DeWalt dcf601 screw driver. When you're doing assembly/disassembly it goes 10x faster and you won't damage delicate pieces by over torquing. It also helps keep you from stripping out chinesium screws
Jeff I'm surprised that you'd have a problem with the M12 handles, I figured with your big paws they'd fit you fine. I'm 6'3" but I don't have particularly huge hands and the M12 are extremely comfortable to me. I love the fact that with the 1.5Ah battery they're pretty much the smallest full power tools you can get. I also have a brushed and a Fuel impact, I put the screwdriver or nut driver in the brushed and a drill bit in the Fuel and I can drill pilot holes and drive screws without changing bits and both tools fit on a ladder rung.
I do have big old paws and yes I CAN use the M12 but the other styles feel more nimble while the one with the battery in the handle, like the M12, are just chunky.
When I'm building a fence or deck I use 20v tools for the power they carry but when putting together prefab cabinets I'll switch to my 12v tools. The 12v just make sense less weight, good speed and power that doesn't leave you tired after a full day and they're smaller so they fit in tighter spaces.
I do auto collision repair, and I use my dewalt xtreme 12v screw gun so much more than my impact driver. Have the 12v impact wrench for metal panels, and the screw gun for interior/bumpers/trim. I use it daily!
I am so glad you made this video. Not even done with watching it yet but ever since you mentioned needing one of these a week or so ago I've been obsessed with the M12 screwdriver and have been wishy washy on whether or not I should actually get it (or one in general) and this is the exact type of video I've been searching for. Think I'm gonna pull the trigger (pun intended) tonight. Thanks dude 👍
I've had the m12 fuel screwdriver since 2013 and still use the same batteries it came with (they lost about half their charge since then). I also have the Makita hex to chuck adapter for regular bits. I've used the drill for everything from drilling into steel enclosures to putting ikea furniture together. It is a very versatile drill.
Same, I have the new m12 fuel screwdriver and its been my favorite tool for years! and so many people don't know about electric screwdrivers. Impacts and drill/drivers are more popular but my screwdriver is the first thing I pick up for almost everything!
I've used the Dewalt one for years and loved it. I work in commercial refrigeration and it is the perfect tool for working on contractors, terminal blocks, etc. I can adjust the clutch and just let it go and not have to worry about over-tightening any of the dozens of small screw I have to turn on a daily basis.
I got a simple 12v Rigid drill/driver on clearance at HD for $60. Included case/charger/2 batteries. It’s compact, light and just right for assembly. The ones shown here are probably better overall but I’m very satisfied with it.
I have had the Makita 3.6v one for years. It works really well. The way I look at it, if it can't screw in or take out a screw with the driver....then I should be doing it by hand. These are to speed up the repetitive job and for that they work amazingly well. Built many an Ikea kitchen, bedroom and bathrooms with it. Great call Jeff on the topic!
I just purchased one a few weeks ago and it's definitely a must have. It's the power level you need from hand screwdriver to full size drill... it's right in between. Also my wife like it because how small it is lol
Great video!! I'm into woodworking, mainly guitars. I really don't care for brushless high-power tools near higher priced woods. I just picked up the DeWalt right-angle attachment with a bit set in the clearance section of a local Home Depot for 14 bucks. I thought about getting the Milwaukee M12 screwdriver but got the drill/driver kit on sale, so the drill serves as a screwdriver in lower settings and fits in my Packout drawer perfectly. My Packout setup is for live performance and the M12 drill is perfect as a catch-all screwdriver or drill if I need it on the road.
I love my m12 fuel impact driver , I use it always and usually use it on setting 1 to not break bolts/ screws or damage threads, I’ve used the Milwaukee screwdriver (non fuel) but it struggles to even loosen some of the screws that hold the air box closed on some cars
This tool is perfect for working on hand held lawn equipment. A lot of the screws in that equipment go into plastic threads. I work on that stuff every day. You absolutely can not over torque them. This tool with the quick release hex drive and the CLUTCH!! The clutch is the big deal. This thing is perfect.
I have been eyeing the Hercules 12v drivers. Initially wanted the 12v impact but after seeing this I am not sure. Does the 12v screwdriver drill holes well? Hoe are you using it? I have an older craftsman 4amp corded drill I've been using for both drilling and driving. I am only doing light work, no heavy lag bolts.....just assembly type work and making some patio tables for plants etc
Wait so your suggestion is for tight places is that a new tool is more effective than a 90 degree adapter? I agree that people use impact drivers the wrong way. Tight spaces is a niche application. I like that you mentioned assembly and certainly agree much better than a full drill. Assembly usually have pre drilled holes so a adapter works just as well. IDK
I have just gotten into woodworking in the last year these videos are so invaluable I went out and bought this tool I totally agree with you I think this is going to really help me out once again thank you bear
I have the Dewalt version. I have one at home and one at work. I reach for the one at home over all my 20v stuff. The one at work saves my hands day in and day out changing inserts on machining tools.
Have the same Hercules you have and use it all the time, have the impact one also and love the fact I can just change battery over. A lot of guys I work with tighten things with the impact driver and I need one to loosen them up
I’m an auto technician who picked up his first electric driver I’m the mid-80’s. For the last 10 or so years I used the neat little Makita set. The10v (12v) impact driver and one with a clutch. I had a Phillip’s bit on the clutch driver and a 1/4” bit for sockets on the impact driver. I could pretty much take the interior out of a car with those two tools.
Been using my original Bosch 12 volt with the add on accessories you mentioned for about 10 years now. It was on sale for $40. It's my #1 goto power tool for assembly in the shop, around the house, in the car, or at a someones home. Dial it down to 3-4 and it can handle all those "screwdriver only" self assembly jobs. Dial it up to 7 and you can handle most pocket hole screws. Need a small drill for drilling a small pilot hole and then drive a fastener, this is your tool. In my shop if I had to keep just one tool. My Bosch 12V is it.
Hi Jeff, this a fantastic video!!!! AMEN 🙏🏻, I have 18v impacts in all colors and use them when the application calls for it, for example this summer I built a 30’X30’ deck and I used my Makita XDT16 and for that application it worked flawlessly driving 3 1/2 deck screws. For EVERYTHING ELSE (90%) I grab my Dewalt 12v XTREME, its so small and lite I don’t even feel it in my pouch. I absolutely love the light ring, no shadows, great job Dewalt!! Being a woodworker it’s perfect for driving pocket screws, cabinet making and just about everything else, thanks for making this video, 🙏🏻
Gotta love them settings tho. Don't think I could ever go back to using a impact driver without them. I got the XGT impact, and I do with I could put a smaller battery on it...
I have an M 18 impact with OneKey Bluetooth connectivity. I have re-programmed speed one to be low speed low torque, deliberately for assembly use. I find it works well without over torquing. I’ve also had a plug-in rechargeable Ryobi screwdriver for years, but I find it excruciatingly slow. I’m tempted by your suggestion to look at the dedicated M 12 driver.
I recently bought a dewalt impact driver with the three speed setting. I really like using the first setting. It'll drive screws without hammering until it runs out of torque, you hold the trigger for two seconds, and then it begins hammering fairly slowly.
Hey you forgot about the Dewalt 5 in 1 assembly tool if you’re looking something with offset capabilities. Comes with 2 speed and 15 clutch settings. For 179 at Lowe’s comes with charger and 2 batteries.
I’ve had the m12 fuel screwdriver (went back and forth between that and the Hercules) for a bit over a year now and it’s by far and away my favorite tool and the only one I’m never without. The ability to go from enough power to drill through studs to tiny amounts for appliances/furniture all in one tool is fantastic. The small size with the m12 is also incredibly useful. I would make sure to get one with two speeds however. One isn’t enough.
I hear u about that but use the Milwaukee surge on power 1 does great on 4mm bolts and things like that. I've been saying same thing for years when I see bolts stripped out. I work in industrial maintenance and for small stuff the Surge can't be beat. 18 volt version
I have the dewalt 12v version from Lowe's for under $40 with 2 batteries, 1 charger and a tool bag. It was a YMMV deal. Also got the 12v drill. 12v impact driver order was cancelled by Lowe's. It is sometime $80 now at Lowe's. Use the screw driver and drill all the time. 4 batteries are more than what I can use in a weekend.
Thank you big bear. I just picked up the Milwaukee screwdriver for $69 at Home Depot. It work perfectly for what I need. Thank you for all you info and knowledge on these tools. Remember don’t strain the brain!!
Thanks Jeff. This is great. I have a black and decker screwdriver that is not fancy but is a great day to day workaround. I love my ryobi impact driver but it is too much for most of my assembly tasks.
I started to get the Hercules Screwdriver but got the impact driver instead. It was my first Hercules tool. I might get the screwdriver since they dropped the price but I’m kinda waiting for some brushless.
I’m liking my Bosch 12v tools because they fit into my tool belt pouches and the handles will fit into the holes in the top of step ladders. Much easier than my Milwaukee m18 stuff.
I have the Dewalt 12v Screwdriver with the clutch like that and it is a much better option in many cases than using an impact. I set dial around 7 typically.
I used the Bosch 12v screwdrivers at my old job and those things are really tough. They took a beating and were used a lot and don't remember any real problems with any.
I can highly reccomend the Dewalt 12v Screwdriver. DCF601 I got mine at lowes. Strong enough to sink a 3 inch wood screw into a 2x4 not predrilled. Nice clutch when you don't need to give it the beans.
So when do you use an impact then? If you don't use it to screw on or off stuff and you don't use it to screw on high-torque applications...only taking off high-torque, what elsd are they for? And whats the difference between a cordless ratchet and these?
I'm wondering the same thing. I've actually heard the opposite as well. Some people say that an impact is so versatile that screwdrivers and drill/drivers are pretty much obsolete. I wish someone would make a video showing the tasks that each of these driving tools is meant to accomplish instead of just showing off that their impact will drill 1 inch holes in stids all day.
@@chrisloehr6641 People who say screwdrivers and drills are obsolete are idiots. Let's see you drill a 1/2" hole in concrete with an impact. Drills will always do a better job at drilling than impacts, and the same thing goes for screwdrivers.
Jeff, I'm an RC technician, and I use and swear by (not at) the brushed DeWalt 12V Max screwdriver. On setting 1, the clutch won't accidentally strip a hole, which is something the 4V Ryobi screwdriver did all too often. One of my co-workers uses the Bearcules 12V, and likes it, but he loves the DeWalt more, as the Bearcules has a bad tendency to strip holes. The gyro DeWalt works fairly well, also, if you can get used to the actuation method (twisting your wrist, instead of pulling a trigger). I've not had much feedback from anyone using the Milwaukee 12V, though.
True but there’s always a chance of over tightening the screw and then your day is ruined. With a screw driver, just set it to the right torque setting and no need to worry about timing it correctly.
Speaking of the Dewalt 90° driver attachment. HD has a bit set with a free 90° for less than the original cost of the adapter. But the one I want is the Dewalt flex adapter for your 3/8 impact or drill. The kit has the 90° and the 8 or 9 inch (not sure exactly) flex cable for 29.00 regular price.
I used to carry an inline battery screwdriver cause it fit in my tool pouches, I would use it for long 6-32, 8-32, and wire nut drivers, oh I am an electrician however.
My biggest question is, if you already have an installation driver, does it make sense to also pick up a cordless screwdriver as well? I’m on the fence
Thank you for the great information, I’m going to get me one of those. I’ve probably stripped a five box of screws & spent way to much $ on broken & worn out bits. Jeff👍👍👍👍keep’m coming
Any furniture I assembly I use the Milwaukee installation driver kit. Works perfectly without stripping out the screw hole or breaking cheap screws they supply….Like you said…..start low and work up to find the right setting.
I am still using a 20V lithium craftsman that is about 15 years old i bought a spare battery on sale when they were dumping them because of failure issues. One of the batteries dies after a year. It is a drill with a 10 step clutch. I put in a screwdriver bit and rarely break or strip a screw…. But i am looking for a replacement dril, driver, impact wrench system.
I'm an appliance service tech. I bought the Bosch driver when it was first released. Since then, Ive gone through a few of them, earlier this year, my most recent driver began making some not so good noises and smells. I'm not to crazy about the newest Bosch drivers and I'm sort of a Makita fanboy so I got the Makita. I love it. I only wish they would release the brushless version in the US.
So much fking this. The M12 surge has a slower lower speed, faster higher speed, and softer useful impacting than all get out. That's only the first setting!! No clutch fiddling, no fading paint numbers. Need precision for face plates and outlets installs. Done 2+ inch screws in or out of wood. Done Auger and masonry hex shank bits. done and done.
I wasn't talking camming them out, you can break a ton of small fasteners and damage alot of high dollar finish items, and if you got a problem with a clutch then you wouldn't have been able to work in alot places I've worked in and on for the last 35 years. I didn't say Impacts both wrenches and drivers didn't have a place in the toolbox, but a custom made piece shouldn't ever be gone at with an impact driver when being installed.
Thanks! I've been going for my hand screw driver for putting up curtain rods of late. Totally spaced that i have a Bosch flexi click I used for some cabinet work a while back.
The dewalt 12v is my go to for small screws. It has low medium and high. when you're screwing things in above your head not having the huge battery saves your wrists. I've used it professionally for 2 years. Worth the money
This is why I went with the makita oil impact. It's got nice control at slow speeds. Been eyeing that M12, but I don't really want another battery platform.
Great point Jeff! I totally agree. I recently got the combo in Dewalt and the impact 20v has a lot of power and it’s definitely not for every application. By the way, hope you’re feeling better brother!
Jeff you are right. I think partially tool companies are at fault for selling the impact with a drill/driver as a kit. Many DIYers myself included start with this kit as one of the first power tool acquisition. Logistically it was natural to put the predrilling/pilot hole drill bit in the drill/driver and using the impact to drive the screws. It also took me many damaged screw heads, ruined pocket holes & a ton of frustration to realize the problem. I learnt it hard way but now when my family/friends ask me for tool buying advice I steer them away from a typical kit. Instead I get them a single drill/driver kit knowing most of them are just furniture assemblers or installing a shelf or a towel rod around the house. I hope many viewers watch this video and heed your advice. Take care and Shine On !
Thanks Bear! Just ordered the non fuel(fool) Milwaukee. I have 18 volt fuel and brushed tools and they all do their job. Now I finally have a use for the 12v side of my chargers. I ordered this because one of my guys constantly uses an impact to take off plates and install downspouts. I yell at him almost daily. Now he can use the proper tool.
Jeff you’ve saved the heads of hundreds, if not thousands, of IKEA fasteners with this video. Those things shattered with my M12 impact driver on speed 1.
Then don't use an impact driver. Use a 18/20 volt drill driver, or hammer drill. Both, come with an adjustable clutch. Plus, are 10 times more useful for other projects than a 12 volt tool.
@@bill6590 Stupid comment. 12v has plenty of applications. Plus, are 10 times more useful for other projects than a 18* volt tool.
Agreed! Brought the impact driver simply because I am used to grabbing it, and soon found that well, the Ikea fasteners ain't Grade 5 bolts. Ended up going with hand assembly.
completely agree Nothing you’re doing right with IKEA needs 18V power.
@@svn5994 @BILL
Ladies ¡ ¿ Lads!?
Calm yourselves, both 12V & 18V can meet standards. The owners/ creators DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT EITHER OF YOU. SO WHY SHOULD YOU! Never be co trolled. Be free men. 🇺🇸
I work in aviation and bought a drill/impact set for my first day. My boss looked through my box and saw the impact driver and told me to take it home. Impacts generally aren't used in aviation. So I went out and bought the brushless Dewalt 12v screwdriver. I love it, I use it every day and it's one of my more versatile tools.
Any other tool tips, I am an aspiring AMT. I start school fall of 2025
I'm in the HVAC trade and have encountered so many stripped screws! Impact drivers have their place BUT not on screws in the sheet metal! Thank you for presenting this information! ❤
But but but drills are obsolete. Impacts do everything better according to idiots. Ugga dugga everything. /s
Man, a electric screwdriver is gold
@@svn5994 actually Milwaukee has a sheet metal screw setting on several of its impacts. Puts the screw in and fast and stops before stripping. Others probably have similar settings.
Thank you. I'm tired of sealing up air exchanger and furnace panels due to the last guy stripping the holes. Even on newly installed units, they are always stripped. I use a m12 brushed screw driver, clutch on setting 4 or 5.
I agree 100%. I'm in HVAC too and I use the Dewalt 12v screwdriver gun and I love it. Lightweight, and very torquey too. It will take your wrist for a ride if you don't watch it.
I use the surge hydraulic impact driver on setting 1 or 2, it's not as powerful as a regular impact but still has plenty of power for bigger bolts. Works perfectly for me.
The surge does have pretty good low speed control and can do 95% of what most would do with a standard impact. I own the m18 version, but still picked up the Bosch Chameleon with last month's 149 deal. Having the attachments for one tool is quite handy, especially if you are putting things together like IKea type things and miscellaneous thinfs like grills, etc.
I've been using my Ridgid subcompact drill. Its got all the clutch settings to not strip screws. And its actually smaller than most of the 12v screwdrivers in the video.
You are/were so right on this topic. I went strait to Home Depot and picked up the Brushed M12 kit last night. Funny thing is, the display had the two pack of 1.5 batteries that come with the screwdriver, case and charger for the same price. Definitely the tool everybody needs and dont know it. Great topic. Thank you.
Drill with a clutch? Came in the combo, might as well use it. Most drill chucks are 3 jaw so they can grab your hex stuff.
I completely agree with this. I bought a motorcycle back in January. It turns out the previous owner stripped out most of the bolts holding on the fairings. I'm betting he used an impact driver.
I went with the m12 fuel installation driver. Bought the m12 hex screwdriver also for $69, but returned it as I don't really need it. I do want to get some CP3.0 batteries though.
I only bought my first cordless screwdriver within the last 6 months -- Bosch pocket driver. You're 100% correct, I was destroying things trying to ride the trigger on an impact driver when it was too much for the application.
I hate the M12 brushed version though, to be honest.
So true. I am an occasional DIY'er and gave up using the drill driver because I kept stripping screw heads. Had to resort to my favorite power tool: biceps. Will have to look into one of these.
Thanks buddy for posting this!!!! Because of your vid, I went and bought the Milwaukee on sale at HD for $69. I am building my wife a barn door and this thing is perfect for it. Thanks man!!!
I have the Milwaukee m12 screwdriver. I love it! Don’t know how I got along without it. It makes fast work out of assembling items that the fasteners that don’t need a lot of torque. Hell I’ve even driven smaller fasteners into soft woods and mdf without a problem or it bogging down.
Brand loyal mechanics are the only reason snap on is still in business.
there is no mac, cornwell, matco, etc near me and home depot/lowes is a nightmare to warranty shit. Spent 2 hours at lowes for a 1/2" Uni adapter because they only sold a kit of 3 so I had to harass them to separate it and honor it. Snapon took my decimated impact socket from 1980 something and no questions asked right then and there gave me the newest flank drive version since thats all the guy had on him. It's not just brand loyalty its quality service and tools made in the USA, hand tools that is. The lights/electronics suck.
@@tuggyboat I'm sure they love you as a customer....keep spending that money....you should never be in a pinch with tools..if your a mechanic you should have back up tools.The internet is open 24/7 with a click ....over night delivery is 24/7....
@@gsc01972 Snap-On couldn't care less if me as an individual bought their shit. I spend miniscule compared to the rest of the snap-on community. I love their tools, fit the nuts/bots right, dont fall out of the tool. Ratchets last a lifetime which others dont, tools are just designed right and I can afford a few tools here and there and I spend the money on it so who cares.
You're 100% right about their electric tools they are trash project farm just tested their electric ratchet and it started smoking when he left it running until the battery went dead it's pretty sad
As a small engine technician I swear by my DeWalt dcf601 screw driver. When you're doing assembly/disassembly it goes 10x faster and you won't damage delicate pieces by over torquing. It also helps keep you from stripping out chinesium screws
Jeff I'm surprised that you'd have a problem with the M12 handles, I figured with your big paws they'd fit you fine. I'm 6'3" but I don't have particularly huge hands and the M12 are extremely comfortable to me. I love the fact that with the 1.5Ah battery they're pretty much the smallest full power tools you can get. I also have a brushed and a Fuel impact, I put the screwdriver or nut driver in the brushed and a drill bit in the Fuel and I can drill pilot holes and drive screws without changing bits and both tools fit on a ladder rung.
I do have big old paws and yes I CAN use the M12 but the other styles feel more nimble while the one with the battery in the handle, like the M12, are just chunky.
When I'm building a fence or deck I use 20v tools for the power they carry but when putting together prefab cabinets I'll switch to my 12v tools. The 12v just make sense less weight, good speed and power that doesn't leave you tired after a full day and they're smaller so they fit in tighter spaces.
Had the Milwaukee version of this for 4 years, my most used power tool
Not going to lie, my Milwaukee fuel 12v screwdriver is my FAVORITE power tool and has been for years! Thanks for the great video sharing the knowledge
I can't listen to Jeff talk without the bear. Messes me all up!
The very first thought I had was “I miss the bear”!
Imagine how the bear feels. Jeff took his job away. :-)
Th figured Jeff was covering for Red until Red gets work release from prison!
Just close your eyes and think of The Bear.
I have the milwaukee fuel instalation driver and it works great! I use it often.
I have the brushless Bosch 12v. I really like it a lot. I've used it for assembly and for building my deck. It worked amazingly.
I use a Bauer impact driver when I'm working on or taking apart a small engine. Saves my hands.
I use these a lot. Especially in light torque situations and small fasteners where even a cordless ratchet will strip the bolt if you’re not careful.
I do auto collision repair, and I use my dewalt xtreme 12v screw gun so much more than my impact driver. Have the 12v impact wrench for metal panels, and the screw gun for interior/bumpers/trim. I use it daily!
Totally agree!!! I bought the Milwaukee to use on small around the house stuff like hanging brackets for window blinds...
I have the same one that I use at work all the time. I love the clutch feature.
i hope skil comes out with one on their 12v line up.
Very useful info Bear. Knowing how and what a tool is use for and why is over the heads of many until they get informed.
I have the Bosch 5 in 1 and it has worked well. The Milwaukee counter part has a weird switch on top to change directions.
I am so glad you made this video. Not even done with watching it yet but ever since you mentioned needing one of these a week or so ago I've been obsessed with the M12 screwdriver and have been wishy washy on whether or not I should actually get it (or one in general) and this is the exact type of video I've been searching for. Think I'm gonna pull the trigger (pun intended) tonight. Thanks dude 👍
I've had the m12 fuel screwdriver since 2013 and still use the same batteries it came with (they lost about half their charge since then). I also have the Makita hex to chuck adapter for regular bits. I've used the drill for everything from drilling into steel enclosures to putting ikea furniture together. It is a very versatile drill.
Same, I have the new m12 fuel screwdriver and its been my favorite tool for years! and so many people don't know about electric screwdrivers. Impacts and drill/drivers are more popular but my screwdriver is the first thing I pick up for almost everything!
I've used the Dewalt one for years and loved it. I work in commercial refrigeration and it is the perfect tool for working on contractors, terminal blocks, etc. I can adjust the clutch and just let it go and not have to worry about over-tightening any of the dozens of small screw I have to turn on a daily basis.
I got a simple 12v Rigid drill/driver on clearance at HD for $60. Included case/charger/2 batteries. It’s compact, light and just right for assembly. The ones shown here are probably better overall but I’m very satisfied with it.
I love these things, I just wish skil would add one to their 12v lineup.
I have had the Makita 3.6v one for years. It works really well. The way I look at it, if it can't screw in or take out a screw with the driver....then I should be doing it by hand. These are to speed up the repetitive job and for that they work amazingly well. Built many an Ikea kitchen, bedroom and bathrooms with it. Great call Jeff on the topic!
I just purchased one a few weeks ago and it's definitely a must have. It's the power level you need from hand screwdriver to full size drill... it's right in between. Also my wife like it because how small it is lol
I bought the Milwaukee set at big orange for 129. Had both impact and drill w/ clutch.
Great video!! I'm into woodworking, mainly guitars. I really don't care for brushless high-power tools near higher priced woods.
I just picked up the DeWalt right-angle attachment with a bit set in the clearance section of a local Home Depot for 14 bucks. I thought about getting the Milwaukee M12 screwdriver but got the drill/driver kit on sale, so the drill serves as a screwdriver in lower settings and fits in my Packout drawer perfectly. My Packout setup is for live performance and the M12 drill is perfect as a catch-all screwdriver or drill if I need it on the road.
I love my m12 fuel impact driver , I use it always and usually use it on setting 1 to not break bolts/ screws or damage threads, I’ve used the Milwaukee screwdriver (non fuel) but it struggles to even loosen some of the screws that hold the air box closed on some cars
This tool is perfect for working on hand held lawn equipment. A lot of the screws in that equipment go into plastic threads. I work on that stuff every day. You absolutely can not over torque them. This tool with the quick release hex drive and the CLUTCH!! The clutch is the big deal. This thing is perfect.
I've had the little Hercules 12v one for 2-3 years, and love it. It is one of the most used tools in the house.
I have been eyeing the Hercules 12v drivers. Initially wanted the 12v impact but after seeing this I am not sure. Does the 12v screwdriver drill holes well? Hoe are you using it?
I have an older craftsman 4amp corded drill I've been using for both drilling and driving. I am only doing light work, no heavy lag bolts.....just assembly type work and making some patio tables for plants etc
I bought the $69 Milwaukee M12 screwdriver kit last week. Love it so much, that I just bought one for my dad too.
Jeff I went out and added a DeWalt 12v brushless screw driver to my collection. I think its going to get a lot of use after the first day with it
Wait so your suggestion is for tight places is that a new tool is more effective than a 90 degree adapter? I agree that people use impact drivers the wrong way. Tight spaces is a niche application. I like that you mentioned assembly and certainly agree much better than a full drill. Assembly usually have pre drilled holes so a adapter works just as well. IDK
I picked up the Milwaukee M12 screwdriver from Home Depot because of you telling us about the deals on them. Thanks!
Dang 3rd today. I may have to pick up that Milwaukee screw driver. I normally use a drill driver and turn it down, way down so the clutch engages.
I have just gotten into woodworking in the last year these videos are so invaluable I went out and bought this tool I totally agree with you I think this is going to really help me out once again thank you bear
FWIW, the Makita impacts have a TON of adjustability for auto-stopping at a specific torque point.
I have an old makita no setting all finger control i never break bolts
I have the Dewalt version. I have one at home and one at work. I reach for the one at home over all my 20v stuff. The one at work saves my hands day in and day out changing inserts on machining tools.
Have the same Hercules you have and use it all the time, have the impact one also and love the fact I can just change battery over. A lot of guys I work with tighten things with the impact driver and I need one to loosen them up
I use my Dewalt 12v Extreme screwdriver more than any other tool I own. Love it.
I’m an auto technician who picked up his first electric driver I’m the mid-80’s. For the last 10 or so years I used the neat little Makita set. The10v (12v) impact driver and one with a clutch. I had a Phillip’s bit on the clutch driver and a 1/4” bit for sockets on the impact driver. I could pretty much take the interior out of a car with those two tools.
Been using my original Bosch 12 volt with the add on accessories you mentioned for about 10 years now. It was on sale for $40. It's my #1 goto power tool for assembly in the shop, around the house, in the car, or at a someones home. Dial it down to 3-4 and it can handle all those "screwdriver only" self assembly jobs. Dial it up to 7 and you can handle most pocket hole screws. Need a small drill for drilling a small pilot hole and then drive a fastener, this is your tool. In my shop if I had to keep just one tool. My Bosch 12V is it.
Hi Jeff, this a fantastic video!!!! AMEN 🙏🏻, I have 18v impacts in all colors and use them when the application calls for it, for example this summer I built a 30’X30’ deck and I used my Makita XDT16 and for that application it worked flawlessly driving 3 1/2 deck screws. For EVERYTHING ELSE (90%) I grab my Dewalt 12v XTREME, its so small and lite I don’t even feel it in my pouch. I absolutely love the light ring, no shadows, great job Dewalt!! Being a woodworker it’s perfect for driving pocket screws, cabinet making and just about everything else, thanks for making this video, 🙏🏻
Gotta love them settings tho. Don't think I could ever go back to using a impact driver without them.
I got the XGT impact, and I do with I could put a smaller battery on it...
@@SweetStat I totally agree
I imported my Makita 18v screwdriver from amazon UK. New favorite tool by far.
Just use impact , has a variable speed trigger so I am able to easily overcome it's limitations.
I have an M 18 impact with OneKey Bluetooth connectivity. I have re-programmed speed one to be low speed low torque, deliberately for assembly use. I find it works well without over torquing. I’ve also had a plug-in rechargeable Ryobi screwdriver for years, but I find it excruciatingly slow. I’m tempted by your suggestion to look at the dedicated M 12 driver.
was gonna sell my Milwaukee installation driver, but you convinced me to keep it
I recently bought a dewalt impact driver with the three speed setting. I really like using the first setting. It'll drive screws without hammering until it runs out of torque, you hold the trigger for two seconds, and then it begins hammering fairly slowly.
Hey you forgot about the Dewalt 5 in 1 assembly tool if you’re looking something with offset capabilities. Comes with 2 speed and 15 clutch settings.
For 179 at Lowe’s comes with charger and 2 batteries.
I’ve had the m12 fuel screwdriver (went back and forth between that and the Hercules) for a bit over a year now and it’s by far and away my favorite tool and the only one I’m never without. The ability to go from enough power to drill through studs to tiny amounts for appliances/furniture all in one tool is fantastic. The small size with the m12 is also incredibly useful. I would make sure to get one with two speeds however. One isn’t enough.
Same! m12 fuel FTW
I hear u about that but use the Milwaukee surge on power 1 does great on 4mm bolts and things like that. I've been saying same thing for years when I see bolts stripped out. I work in industrial maintenance and for small stuff the Surge can't be beat. 18 volt version
I just picked up the m12 kit at HD for $70 a few days ago. I don't have any 12v tools and needed a cordless screwdriver so it seemed like a good deal.
I have the dewalt 12v version from Lowe's for under $40 with 2 batteries, 1 charger and a tool bag. It was a YMMV deal. Also got the 12v drill. 12v impact driver order was cancelled by Lowe's. It is sometime $80 now at Lowe's. Use the screw driver and drill all the time. 4 batteries are more than what I can use in a weekend.
Thank you big bear. I just picked up the Milwaukee screwdriver for $69 at Home Depot. It work perfectly for what I need. Thank you for all you info and knowledge on these tools. Remember don’t strain the brain!!
This is why I like my metabo htp triple hammer. It has the adjuster that I can turn down for low slow torque
Thanks Jeff. This is great. I have a black and decker screwdriver that is not fancy but is a great day to day workaround. I love my ryobi impact driver but it is too much for most of my assembly tasks.
especially with phillips head lower power seems to work better. impact drivers seem to work with torx better.
All we use are hex. Especially with impact.
I started to get the Hercules Screwdriver but got the impact driver instead. It was my first Hercules tool. I might get the screwdriver since they dropped the price but I’m kinda waiting for some brushless.
I’m liking my Bosch 12v tools because they fit into my tool belt pouches and the handles will fit into the holes in the top of step ladders. Much easier than my Milwaukee m18 stuff.
I have the Dewalt 12v Screwdriver with the clutch like that and it is a much better option in many cases than using an impact. I set dial around 7 typically.
I used the Bosch 12v screwdrivers at my old job and those things are really tough. They took a beating and were used a lot and don't remember any real problems with any.
I can highly reccomend the Dewalt 12v Screwdriver. DCF601 I got mine at lowes. Strong enough to sink a 3 inch wood screw into a 2x4 not predrilled. Nice clutch when you don't need to give it the beans.
So when do you use an impact then? If you don't use it to screw on or off stuff and you don't use it to screw on high-torque applications...only taking off high-torque, what elsd are they for?
And whats the difference between a cordless ratchet and these?
I'm wondering the same thing. I've actually heard the opposite as well. Some people say that an impact is so versatile that screwdrivers and drill/drivers are pretty much obsolete. I wish someone would make a video showing the tasks that each of these driving tools is meant to accomplish instead of just showing off that their impact will drill 1 inch holes in stids all day.
@@chrisloehr6641 People who say screwdrivers and drills are obsolete are idiots. Let's see you drill a 1/2" hole in concrete with an impact. Drills will always do a better job at drilling than impacts, and the same thing goes for screwdrivers.
Jeff, I'm an RC technician, and I use and swear by (not at) the brushed DeWalt 12V Max screwdriver. On setting 1, the clutch won't accidentally strip a hole, which is something the 4V Ryobi screwdriver did all too often. One of my co-workers uses the Bearcules 12V, and likes it, but he loves the DeWalt more, as the Bearcules has a bad tendency to strip holes. The gyro DeWalt works fairly well, also, if you can get used to the actuation method (twisting your wrist, instead of pulling a trigger). I've not had much feedback from anyone using the Milwaukee 12V, though.
There are socket adapters for drill/drivers. Craftsman has a 3 piece set for $6.98 at Lowes.
For me, when it comes to this sort of thing.....having good timing is pretty key with small fasteners.
True but there’s always a chance of over tightening the screw and then your day is ruined. With a screw driver, just set it to the right torque setting and no need to worry about timing it correctly.
I have the Milwaukee Fuel version of this tool. Love it.
Speaking of the Dewalt 90° driver attachment. HD has a bit set with a free 90° for less than the original cost of the adapter.
But the one I want is the Dewalt flex adapter for your 3/8 impact or drill. The kit has the 90° and the 8 or 9 inch (not sure exactly) flex cable for 29.00 regular price.
I used to carry an inline battery screwdriver cause it fit in my tool pouches, I would use it for long 6-32, 8-32, and wire nut drivers, oh I am an electrician however.
I kept looking in the background at that orange Delta. Hoping for a review of either the miter or table saw soon.
My biggest question is, if you already have an installation driver, does it make sense to also pick up a cordless screwdriver as well? I’m on the fence
Thank you for the great information, I’m going to get me one of those. I’ve probably stripped a five box of screws & spent way to much $ on broken & worn out bits. Jeff👍👍👍👍keep’m coming
Picked up a refurbished brushed M12 for 39. Love for lighter work or handing to someone that has no trigger control.
I just bout the Milwaukee brushed screwdriver and absolutely love it
Yep. I got the Bosch flexiclick. It is great.
Any furniture I assembly I use the Milwaukee installation driver kit. Works perfectly without stripping out the screw hole or breaking cheap screws they supply….Like you said…..start low and work up to find the right setting.
I am still using a 20V lithium craftsman that is about 15 years old i bought a spare battery on sale when they were dumping them because of failure issues. One of the batteries dies after a year. It is a drill with a 10 step clutch. I put in a screwdriver bit and rarely break or strip a screw…. But i am looking for a replacement dril, driver, impact wrench system.
I'm an appliance service tech. I bought the Bosch driver when it was first released. Since then, Ive gone through a few of them, earlier this year, my most recent driver began making some not so good noises and smells. I'm not to crazy about the newest Bosch drivers and I'm sort of a Makita fanboy so I got the Makita. I love it. I only wish they would release the brushless version in the US.
I love the hammer feel over clutch. I use the m12 surge with 3 settings and a very good variable trigger. Just not a fan of clutch feeling tools.
You will when you f up 3 grand piece of material you're installing!
So much fking this. The M12 surge has a slower lower speed, faster higher speed, and softer useful impacting than all get out. That's only the first setting!! No clutch fiddling, no fading paint numbers.
Need precision for face plates and outlets installs. Done
2+ inch screws in or out of wood. Done
Auger and masonry hex shank bits. done and done.
@@josephlabranch6595 I'm a mechanic full time. The only time I stripped Phillips screws was using a clutched drill/ screw driver instead of my m12
@@CalebsCars Doubt.
I wasn't talking camming them out, you can break a ton of small fasteners and damage alot of high dollar finish items, and if you got a problem with a clutch then you wouldn't have been able to work in alot places I've worked in and on for the last 35 years. I didn't say Impacts both wrenches and drivers didn't have a place in the toolbox, but a custom made piece shouldn't ever be gone at with an impact driver when being installed.
Thanks! I've been going for my hand screw driver for putting up curtain rods of late. Totally spaced that i have a Bosch flexi click I used for some cabinet work a while back.
Low clutch setting on a regular 12 v drill driver and some bit adapters, why buy a whole next tool when you already have something so versatile?
The dewalt 12v is my go to for small screws. It has low medium and high. when you're screwing things in above your head not having the huge battery saves your wrists. I've used it professionally for 2 years. Worth the money
If I ever get into a 12v system I'll get one. Until then I'll just chuck up an adapter in one of my 18v cordless drills with clutch.
This is why I went with the makita oil impact. It's got nice control at slow speeds.
Been eyeing that M12, but I don't really want another battery platform.
I've got the Dewalt 8v hex gyroscopic screwdriver with clutch and it is badass
Great point Jeff! I totally agree. I recently got the combo in Dewalt and the impact 20v has a lot of power and it’s definitely not for every application. By the way, hope you’re feeling better brother!
Jeff you are right. I think partially tool companies are at fault for selling the impact with a drill/driver as a kit. Many DIYers myself included start with this kit as one of the first power tool acquisition. Logistically it was natural to put the predrilling/pilot hole drill bit in the drill/driver and using the impact to drive the screws. It also took me many damaged screw heads, ruined pocket holes & a ton of frustration to realize the problem. I learnt it hard way but now when my family/friends ask me for tool buying advice I steer them away from a typical kit. Instead I get them a single drill/driver kit knowing most of them are just furniture assemblers or installing a shelf or a towel rod around the house.
I hope many viewers watch this video and heed your advice.
Take care and Shine On !
Thanks Bear! Just ordered the non fuel(fool) Milwaukee. I have 18 volt fuel and brushed tools and they all do their job. Now I finally have a use for the 12v side of my chargers. I ordered this because one of my guys constantly uses an impact to take off plates and install downspouts. I yell at him almost daily. Now he can use the proper tool.