1959 Gibson Les Paul Standard 9-1228 "Sandy" in Taiwan

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  • Original 1959 Gibson Les Paul Standard 9-1228 "Sandy" in Taiwan
    Website: www.guitarshoptaiwan.com/
    Facebook: / guitarshoptaiwan
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  • @joeyboogenz
    @joeyboogenz Рік тому +14

    That is definitely the most beautiful 59' I've ever seen ! Stunning.

  • @thelolguy007
    @thelolguy007 3 роки тому +34

    Holy crap. What a Top 🥰
    So there’s one Bonamassa hasn’t got? 😱

    • @lespaulstratocaster3841
      @lespaulstratocaster3841 2 роки тому +5

      He actually used that one in his music video to "Distant lonesome train"

    • @thelolguy007
      @thelolguy007 2 роки тому +3

      @@lespaulstratocaster3841 why am I not surprised?

  • @innnews6299
    @innnews6299 4 роки тому +6

    The perfect and most beautiful burst that I have seen. Crazy flames! Unbelievable tones!

  • @Mcfly0856
    @Mcfly0856 3 місяці тому +1

    That top is just jaw dropping ridiculously gorgeous!!

  • @macdaddyblues1
    @macdaddyblues1 2 роки тому +4

    Can't believe Tom actually sold this guitar to you... Must have been one helluva an offer. When I first met Tom in 1987 he owned 6 bursts then.... he went on to own dozens, but had this one a long time as i remember. Take care of her!!!

  • @briancarter4729
    @briancarter4729 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for showing it to us. Beautiful!

  • @robertjose6086
    @robertjose6086 3 роки тому +3

    Beautiful tones and playing

  • @jbonham78
    @jbonham78 Рік тому +3

    Fantastic playing, great demo!

  • @jault69
    @jault69 4 роки тому +16

    That guitar is perfection! It has it all!!

  • @jameswilson3554
    @jameswilson3554 3 роки тому +1

    I'm definitely in love with this LP. Wow gorgeous in every aspect....

  • @mybluesguitar
    @mybluesguitar 4 роки тому +2

    Great demo. Nice playing showing tone variations. Lovely guitar. Congratulations 🙂

  • @peterrothchild9960
    @peterrothchild9960 4 роки тому +6

    Awesome!

  • @jimmyrecce8787
    @jimmyrecce8787 3 роки тому +2

    They are pieces of artwork...🎸🎸

  • @Woodtoter
    @Woodtoter 3 роки тому +3

    Magnificent, great tone. None better.

  • @bobby9727
    @bobby9727 4 роки тому +38

    Wow that must be the best top i have seen on a 59 burst.

    • @bernardhossmoto
      @bernardhossmoto 4 роки тому +7

      I have seen Sandy in person at the Arlington Guitar Show 2012 and the top is from another planet. Very deep 3D flame.

  • @slashingbison2503
    @slashingbison2503 Рік тому

    What a beauty, that low end is perfection.
    Absolutely roars under overdrive!

  • @spankeyguitars8457
    @spankeyguitars8457 3 роки тому +1

    Sandy is a great sounding and looking instrument.

  • @vinnier6
    @vinnier6 3 роки тому

    Beautiful

  • @TaroChocolate
    @TaroChocolate 4 роки тому +1

    Beautiful ‼︎

  • @jameshughes6049
    @jameshughes6049 2 роки тому

    Wow...beautiful. That top!!!

  • @toneseeker87
    @toneseeker87 2 роки тому +3

    Is this in Taipei? Been there almost 4 years ago and you can find every high end guitars in their Guitar Store. Missed the beautiful place too! AND Sandy sounds so sweet!!

  • @vadenk4433
    @vadenk4433 Рік тому +2

    Man, I never thought Tom would sell "Sandy". Its in the top 5 of the finest looking bursts ever made. I guarantee Tom made you pay dearly for it- as he should have. What are you asking for it?500k?

  • @Greg-rd8qr
    @Greg-rd8qr 2 роки тому

    Beautiful Burst!

  • @greenmanalishi82
    @greenmanalishi82 8 місяців тому +1

    This has always been my favorite burst 💥

  • @huantenghsiao0126
    @huantenghsiao0126 2 роки тому +1

    驚艷 讚嘆

  • @CarolStJohn-ev9ry
    @CarolStJohn-ev9ry 3 роки тому +1

    Never seen one so new looking!

  • @stevemorse108
    @stevemorse108 2 роки тому +1

    I pined for this guitar and bought two Collectors's Choice instruments; Sandy The Babe, a Joe Walsh heavily relicked signature model, a cloud nine chambered beautiful instrument, a VOS 58, a Les Paul black Custom, a historical collection 58 and maybe even some others that I forgotten (a Heritage Les Paul). The best sounding one was the Collector's Choice Sandy.

  • @andrewdarnley4608
    @andrewdarnley4608 4 роки тому +2

    Just a great example of a now rare period of Gibson.

  • @jerryking7772
    @jerryking7772 Рік тому +1

    If there was a perfect ideal "burst" this would be it. The top is perfect, two matched zebra paf's. Perfection.

  • @Fingerlickinggoood
    @Fingerlickinggoood 4 роки тому

    I’m in Taiwan right now and found your website.
    Didn’t have the information to the shop tho if you can send the address to me I’ll be gr8.

  • @rampman8940
    @rampman8940 Рік тому +2

    How did you convinced Tom to sell you this beauty

  • @davidwarren127
    @davidwarren127 4 роки тому +6

    Found on page 84-85 of The Beauty of the Burst

  • @KillerKev1961
    @KillerKev1961 2 місяці тому

    Gawddayuuuuum! Awesome. A fine guitar deserves nothing less than a fine manipulator of the strings.

  • @straight2helll
    @straight2helll 3 роки тому +9

    Ok just hold on to that one until I win the lottery,and don't talk to Bonamassa.

  • @tomacosta85
    @tomacosta85 3 роки тому

    Wow that top is like my 1960 classic plus. Honey burst pop.

  • @sipius22
    @sipius22 2 роки тому

    Wow.

  • @cliffords2315
    @cliffords2315 4 місяці тому

    My guitarist freind in San Diego bought one just like that, just as beautiful for $1,500 in this small Music store
    in El Centro CA in 1976. I would imagine itw worth 10 times as much now.

  • @chuckpotockimusic2288
    @chuckpotockimusic2288 3 роки тому

    Are those the original '59 PAF's and the covers removed, or swapped out with other pickups? Hopefully not the latter...

  • @SJ.71
    @SJ.71 3 роки тому

    Wou!!!!

  • @holmes1978
    @holmes1978 3 роки тому

    Excellence

  • @holmes1978
    @holmes1978 2 роки тому

    WOW

  • @leedee4968
    @leedee4968 3 роки тому +3

    Sweet pickin' ...

  • @johnhorvath3219
    @johnhorvath3219 Рік тому

    Flame!

  • @guyr.c.606
    @guyr.c.606 3 роки тому +2

    I don't know what amp and pedal were used for this demonstration, but I'm a little underwhelmed with the sound. It may be the lack of volume perhaps, I don't really know. Sometimes the sheer beauty of an instrument heightens your expectations and if they are not met you feel a little disappointed. Maybe that's what it is. All the same it's about the most beautiful burst I've ever seen.

    • @vinnier6
      @vinnier6 3 роки тому +3

      You might want to have your hearing checked

    • @lvonh9388
      @lvonh9388 2 роки тому +5

      @@vinnier6 Or yours maybe? There"s nothing special or great in this sound

  • @sparklesthedragon2414
    @sparklesthedragon2414 2 роки тому

    greatest flame ever?!? holy shiite

  • @Mexxx65
    @Mexxx65 4 роки тому +2

    Guys, what are the pups in Sandy? Original?

    • @chuckpotockimusic2288
      @chuckpotockimusic2288 3 роки тому +2

      I was wondering that myself... Original '59 PAF's were mostly double blacks; only a handful were zebra or double whites.

    • @ggilvis
      @ggilvis 3 роки тому +2

      @@chuckpotockimusic2288 the guitar originally left the factory with a double black in the bridge position. I put the zebra in there

  • @_RLP
    @_RLP 4 роки тому +1

    Insane.

  • @aquilarossa5191
    @aquilarossa5191 4 роки тому +2

    58, 59, and 60 all sound different. What's different? neck profile is about all I can think of. Ceriatone amps? If I was from there I would have all their amps (shipping to NZ makes amp DIY expensive).

    • @AlienSexGod
      @AlienSexGod 4 роки тому

      Ceriatone are in Malaysia....NOT Taiwan.

  • @janispetku4450
    @janispetku4450 Рік тому +2

    This is it. Electric guitar does not get better from this. Sound and look Every luthier is trying to imitate. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @zparqz
    @zparqz 4 роки тому +3

    What is the signal chain?

    • @GuitarShopTaiwan
      @GuitarShopTaiwan  4 роки тому +7

      Klon Centaur Gold Overdrive.

    • @_RLP
      @_RLP 4 роки тому +2

      @@GuitarShopTaiwan... Into?

    • @AlienSexGod
      @AlienSexGod 4 роки тому

      @@_RLP lol sounds a bit flat.... and average Fender and an SM57 I'd say.

    • @gregggyf
      @gregggyf Рік тому

      @@_RLP Gibson Burst with a Klon, the only amp it could be,..... is a DUMBLE. Obviously.

  • @koji6297
    @koji6297 4 роки тому +1

    まるでvのストラドみたい。美しい。死ぬ迄に一度弾いてみたい。あと5年かな?

  • @c.p.1589
    @c.p.1589 3 роки тому +3

    BEWARE THOSE WHO ENTER HERE! This comment section is full of burst experts who learnt everything they 'know' on other comment sections.

  • @sandsthirtytwo7852
    @sandsthirtytwo7852 3 роки тому

    what gauge strings are on it?

  • @NOLASkaGuitarist
    @NOLASkaGuitarist 2 роки тому

    Look at the flame on that one, if you listen, you can still hear it sustaining, well if you were playing it you would hear...

  • @joeyboogenz
    @joeyboogenz Рік тому

    They switched it from wraparound to -string through........

  • @leedee4968
    @leedee4968 3 роки тому

    I'm gonna hv ta put some nines on my Les Paul ;-)

  • @philfrank9226
    @philfrank9226 4 роки тому +5

    Sandy is Tom Wittrock`s favorite guitar. Doubt, that he sold it and shipped to Taiwan.

    • @jimyang8824
      @jimyang8824 4 роки тому +4

      On their website there's a video of Tom giving that guitar to them

    • @philfrank9226
      @philfrank9226 4 роки тому +2

      @@jimyang8824 Oh, Thanks I really wonder. Every man has his price.

    • @AlienSexGod
      @AlienSexGod 4 роки тому +2

      @@philfrank9226 price.....

    • @tonysmith8287
      @tonysmith8287 4 роки тому

      tom most certainly sold it to a gentleman in Taiwan, its 100% true

    • @nosguitar3777
      @nosguitar3777 4 роки тому +1

      @@philfrank9226 Not getting any younger. Sooner or later, he'll sell every last one.

  • @elvis_chen
    @elvis_chen 4 роки тому +9

    Is that the only real burst in Taiwan?

    • @NSamLee
      @NSamLee 4 роки тому +4

      I would say Yes...

    • @BenJBrandt
      @BenJBrandt 4 роки тому

      lol no.

    • @wallywanker7435
      @wallywanker7435 2 роки тому

      No a couple of hundred at least and they have 2000 in China. Lmao

  • @tigertiger8496
    @tigertiger8496 22 дні тому

    humbucker slash ??

  • @yuuto_kawashima
    @yuuto_kawashima 3 роки тому

    original59? historic collection?

  • @jayd417
    @jayd417 4 роки тому

    Didn't know that Tom sold it?! How much did it sell for???

  • @ggilvis
    @ggilvis 4 роки тому +1

    other than severe fading that had been $75.00 guitar was dead mint, the day i first saw it

    • @bigbixiebigbitty7485
      @bigbixiebigbitty7485 3 роки тому

      Did you pay $75 for it? In what year was it $75 - and were you the caretaker before TW?

  • @juancho-gs3wl
    @juancho-gs3wl 3 роки тому

    It Sounds Like Jimmy P. Guitar. #loved it

  • @bddmhopp5
    @bddmhopp5 3 роки тому +3

    The one in the pictures is a top wrap bridge tailpiece, the one played isn’t...just sayin...

    • @hezz74
      @hezz74 3 роки тому

      Spotted this too. Must have been totally re setup

  • @seerattan
    @seerattan 2 роки тому

    These are alnico-3 magnets

  • @roknfnrol
    @roknfnrol 3 роки тому +1

    Sounds like a Les Paul.

  • @johnlundberg7383
    @johnlundberg7383 4 роки тому +1

    For sale?

  • @nikolaibarbarich7887
    @nikolaibarbarich7887 Рік тому +1

    Swear I'm going to remortage my house and get something with PAFs or Patent number soon.

  • @user-os2wq2ef1q
    @user-os2wq2ef1q 3 роки тому

    本当に1959年物でしょうか? 塗りが若すぎるしペグの焼けも白すぎる。 何より音が違う。
    出来の良いヒスコレみたいな印象がするのですが。

  • @BlindTom61
    @BlindTom61 11 місяців тому +1

    I've never seen an original burst with a top like that it seems to be an outlier to me..

  • @jimyang8824
    @jimyang8824 4 роки тому +13

    I think the whole aging thing is all bonkers; Good old guitars should've been taken good cares like this one.

    • @mattking3544
      @mattking3544 4 роки тому +3

      if a guitar has the fortune of being in that environment great and this guitar sounds amazing on top of its condition--however, many of the bursts were just used guitars in the 60s/70s out on the road played many nights a year for many years with zero thought of what they might become as collectibles--chicken and the egg sort of thing really. So many are not in this condition (mine is in very good but not this condition) from many world tours and local gigging--tell a 25 year old searching for his break and a slice of pizza to take care with his guitar at 3am (after beer and whatever else). We're lucky any survived in any condition at all!! Let people age theirs if they want--homage to the vibe--the guitars I have for 30-40 years gigging have their road trophies--yours?

    • @jimyang8824
      @jimyang8824 4 роки тому +1

      @@mattking3544 I get it. I always put my guitar back to the case, then back to the car after any gigs. The 3am pizza and beer come after that. Of course you can't avoid scratches and dings here and there, and I get how some people like aged guitars. I just prefer taking extra care instead having it look old.

    • @marions.120
      @marions.120 4 роки тому

      Sorry, but my old Pauls age because they get play around 30 hours a week, but I get it. ✌️🤪🎸🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶

    • @mattking3544
      @mattking3544 4 роки тому +1

      @@jimyang8824 I hear ya--whatever "aging" my guitars have I hope I have slowed down but how old are you Jim? Are you gigging for a living? Have a tech dealing with your gear? When I got to that point, my stuff started being better maintained but before that, when we had a 7 hour drive to the next show, no roadies etc, you pack and get the food to eat on the way--hope for time to wipe stuff down as you go--weekend warriors can comment all they want but I see beauty in case queens and toured guitars--glad they made it here--we are the richer for it!! :)

  • @fugamante1539
    @fugamante1539 4 роки тому

    Who's the player?

    • @AlienSexGod
      @AlienSexGod 4 роки тому

      Yum Cha.

    • @joshuahymer15
      @joshuahymer15 3 роки тому

      Choad can wa

    • @johnnyd63
      @johnnyd63 3 роки тому

      Moo Goo Gai Pan. Great player and fast food chef.

    • @jchy1703
      @jchy1703 2 роки тому +1

      Mason, founder of Guitar Shop Taiwan

  • @larryalexander900
    @larryalexander900 3 роки тому +7

    It's too perfect. I'm not so sure.

    • @orbitaljellyfish808
      @orbitaljellyfish808 3 роки тому +2

      It doesn’t sound old to me

    • @kenster865
      @kenster865 3 роки тому +1

      Umm... no, it looks to be the "real deal". Do a little lookin' about the 'Net and you'll find this guitar has been well documented. It's very gorgeous indeed. 👌

    • @paulcowart3174
      @paulcowart3174 3 роки тому

      Yes doesn't sound like an old one...also no checking that I could see

    • @paulcowart3174
      @paulcowart3174 3 роки тому

      @@kenster865 Marsden said he had several and some didn't sound as good as other's so some out there This just doesn't have the string definition when gained up power chords but still a phenomenal guitar

    • @ToneNerdPickups
      @ToneNerdPickups 3 роки тому

      @@orbitaljellyfish808 says your expert analysis through a compressed UA-cam video while having no clue what it’s being played through?

  • @pappyodanial
    @pappyodanial 3 роки тому +1

    The top yes, of course, but Sandy has some nice ass Brazilian too I tell you what... nice grain on that. The guitar is huge in Asia. In Japan they still eat it up. It's only in America where people are like ewwww old man music.

    • @LfunkeyA
      @LfunkeyA 3 роки тому +1

      tons of guitar in america. shame that old les pauls are always used for washed out blues licks.

    • @jamesmcallister5494
      @jamesmcallister5494 3 роки тому

      I like it,,I,m in America,but I,m old,,,.sweet sounding and looking guitar

  • @ivermektin6874
    @ivermektin6874 3 місяці тому

    Looks re-finished

  • @InfoWithheld
    @InfoWithheld 2 роки тому

    One of the two types of killer bursts. A moaner. A biter: ua-cam.com/video/463L8uyaRIE/v-deo.html

  • @noprob250
    @noprob250 4 роки тому

    This nigga is off the hook biatch! Nice

  • @lairdherron8202
    @lairdherron8202 4 роки тому

    @ joe bonamassa

  • @bobbaumeister5243
    @bobbaumeister5243 8 днів тому

    My '78 Annyversary sounds and looks better!

  • @lovesgibson
    @lovesgibson Рік тому

    It’s crazy to me to think of how Les Paul heard that overdriven tone and didn’t like it lmao. How he later went on to modify his guitars with pickups that removed any kind of distortion, lmao

    • @joeyboogenz
      @joeyboogenz Рік тому +1

      You are so right ! We've seen the LP he played until the end at Fat Tuesdays ,every Monday night in NYC . It was a LP professional ,all tricked out by him with like 12 switches and knobs ! and weird pickups.

  • @ulrichdreefs6915
    @ulrichdreefs6915 2 роки тому

    Wonderful guitar. But to my taste, the top is already a bit too much, and the tone is for sure very good but also not totally outstanding. Good to hear a lot of cleans in the demo, though

  • @nampolkajonpimanmas2887
    @nampolkajonpimanmas2887 2 місяці тому

    gibsun china? fret on binding

  • @largecoke4087
    @largecoke4087 4 роки тому

    I thought this thing was a reissue for like 5 minutes.. Goes to show how subjective its real value is

    • @mattking3544
      @mattking3544 4 роки тому

      or that you don't know what you are looking at lol

    • @adamwatson6916
      @adamwatson6916 4 роки тому +1

      If you think a reissue soinds like that you either have heard very few real late 50s les paulor you have no ear.

    • @johnkonstantine9115
      @johnkonstantine9115 3 роки тому +2

      @@adamwatson6916 bullshit. i have 'played' five 58-59 in NYC shops over the last 45 years. My 2014 VOS 58' Re-issue' sounds just as good. list= 4699 used = 2450 one thing players do not understand.....old vintage Les Pauls lacked consistency in tone. they will vary in tonality due to different windings on the original PAF's.

    • @Dreyno
      @Dreyno 3 роки тому +2

      @@adamwatson6916 You think the human ear can identify a ‘59 from a reissue through whatever amp, recorded via whatever mic or DI, compressed using whatever software to a UA-cam video and played back on a phone, tablet, laptop or pc using whatever sound card and whatever speakers?
      I’ve some magic beans to sell you.

  • @bv3bv334
    @bv3bv334 Рік тому

    Interesting the comments on the flame. Personally I prefer no flame. To me this guitar is ugly. With regards to the flame, that is. Now ask yourself this...take Black...and White. What is your preferred? Probability tells us it should be a roughly 50/50 split. And yet rarely do we hear plain top aficionados. Is that, fundamentally, marketing?

  • @gibsondrummer
    @gibsondrummer 4 роки тому

    Daddy must’ve been rich

  • @Mr.56Goldtop
    @Mr.56Goldtop 3 роки тому

    My guess is that it's not vintage.

  • @bobmm1076
    @bobmm1076 2 роки тому +1

    That doesn't even look possibly original. The finish had to be re-done. How can the bridge parts look so dull and the body finish look like it's never been played.

    • @peterm3964
      @peterm3964 3 дні тому

      Ahh grasshopper , you have many questions .
      May your journey to understanding be swift .

  • @hollybo3986
    @hollybo3986 4 роки тому +2

    I Hope have not been sold a pup looks like it has been re topped
    do you honestly think Gibson would use that magnificent piece of timber on a $230.00 guitar
    in 59" they could not give them away! Timber of that caliber would have been selected for L 5's or Super 400".s
    Where is the DARK BRAZILIAN ROSEWOOD every creams their pants over Gibson never advertised it as BRAZILIAN
    THE WANKER COLLECTORS COINED THAT TERM

    • @jimyang8824
      @jimyang8824 4 роки тому +1

      Whatever looks good looks good man. Who cares if it's re-topped or not. Top barely does anything to the sounds anyways.

    • @hollybo3986
      @hollybo3986 4 роки тому

      Do ware a wig Jimmy

    • @AlienSexGod
      @AlienSexGod 4 роки тому +3

      @@hollybo3986 actually they were $365 in 1959 and that was A LOT of money back then... s much so that they didn't sell! And yes it's the original top you moron. Some Bursts had flames tops. This is one of them....

    • @Dagger_323
      @Dagger_323 4 роки тому +3

      @@hollybo3986 Sandy was never re-topped. I could point you to several all-original 'Bursts that are even more flamey than this one.

  • @rogerwhite8423
    @rogerwhite8423 4 роки тому

    A half way good COUNTERFEIT look at the tuners, there not in alignment, and the head stock wings are too exaggerated

    • @wiseguy9202
      @wiseguy9202 4 роки тому +2

      The wings are fine. Nice and sharp showing minimal wear. The tuners, well 3 of my 10 Les Pauls have misaligned tuners. No worse than what's in the video.

    • @nosguitar3777
      @nosguitar3777 4 роки тому

      Here we go. This is a favorite of every armchair expert when it comes to bursts ... yelling "FAKE!" Does that make you feel better? If the world came down to your level what would anyone have to aspire to? You'd be just as miserable. So enjoy the things you cant have and that are more than your current status. When you do, you just might climb up vs trying to tear down. Good day Roger.

    • @bluesky6361
      @bluesky6361 4 роки тому

      @roger white just another know nothing know it all.

    • @rogerwhite8423
      @rogerwhite8423 4 роки тому +3

      I knew this would bring out the experts... I know it's authentic because i have two "bursts" of my own, '58 and a '60 that i bought in the late '60s for believe it or not for around 2k for each. I love any "burst" and they are all have their own personality. Just having a bit of fun guys. Don't hate me!! Lol

  • @toobmaniac
    @toobmaniac 2 роки тому

    sounds mediocre to me.. Plus the action looks and sounds too low..!

  • @dogtownbrogers2796
    @dogtownbrogers2796 3 роки тому +3

    Goes to show, even a half million dollar guitar can sound like shit when you can’t play and run it through a line 6.

  • @chrissouthon7662
    @chrissouthon7662 3 роки тому +1

    i think this is a fake

    • @c.p.1589
      @c.p.1589 3 роки тому +2

      This is a famous burst. It's in the books.

    • @orbitaljellyfish808
      @orbitaljellyfish808 3 роки тому +2

      It sounds fake to me. It could be a well done copy visually but the sound is much more difficult and expensive to achieve. Let’s see the rear cover off. My guess is good pickups into modern repro pots and caps; I do not hear PAF quack, centralab pots, or bumblebee caps.

    • @Zeppelin180
      @Zeppelin180 3 роки тому +2

      @@orbitaljellyfish808 so you think Tom Whitrock went to Taiwan and sold them a copy of his burst?

    • @c.p.1589
      @c.p.1589 3 роки тому

      @@orbitaljellyfish808 That's 'your' guess is it? My guess is that everything you think you 'know' was learnt on you tube and dumb forums. I'd also guess that you've never touched, seen, felt or played a real one. This is one of the most famous and well documented bursts. I've owned lots of 50s Gibsons including Les Pauls and I made a good living selling guitars for 4 decades. If you can tell pot and cap brands via a UA-cam clip you must have the greatest ears on the planet. I've sold to some of the biggest names in the business. There is a huge difference between 'information' and knowledge. Learn the difference.

    • @InfoWithheld
      @InfoWithheld 2 роки тому

      @@orbitaljellyfish808 I'm going to assume it's pedigree is proven. Not all had "that" tone that's in your head. There were actually some dogs! This one fits in the "moaner" category, not the "biter" category. Repros and new pauls often take the moaner idea to a whole nother level. The biters are much more special to me. ua-cam.com/video/463L8uyaRIE/v-deo.html