What Every One Piece Scaler Gets Wrong...
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Noun. power creep (uncountable) (collectible games, video games, roleplaying games) The situation where successive updates or expansions to a game introduce more powerful units or abilities, leaving the older ones underpowered.
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Ulti scaling is just katakuri slander in disguise 💀💀
She will always have More durability and endurance than him 😭
@@vegetacultminorityhunter Everybody always mentions endurance as if every dog in Kaido's crew didn't get mopped over the course of a single night. Whereas Luffy and Kat's fight was 12 hours. And the only reason their fight even got close was because of a self-imposed handicap. Y'all are crazy.
Katakuri wank is absurd though
@@usnerdswillbenerds4889katakuri didn't even get touched until 10 hours into the fight and he only damage himself near the end of the fight. Not to mention Ulti getting up from Big Mom's named attack which is better than anything katakuri has survived
@@vegetacultminorityhunterdoesn’t change the fact that narrative and potrayal wise along with hax katakuri outscales ulti. If you’re going by that clash with luffy then I guess vista clashing with mihawk scales him above a large portion of onigashima 🤡
Good video. Power scalers go crazy sometimes. I think narratively Katakuri is supposed to be on the level of Kaido's commanders (but below King). There is no way Oda was intending him to be below Ulti or characters ranked below commander.
I just cant believe how people just forget Perospero exists in Onigashima and Ulti never scales much above him, if any
Unlike Katakuri who is clearly several TIERS above Perospero
thats what im saying
Perospero didn't do much
He attacked chopper while the kid is facing queen
He defeated carrot only because the sulong didn't last longer
The king of the night 1 shot him
@@Planetdestroyer.138 He was fighting Neko
Should be as dofficult as fighting Inu as Jack did
Jack who said the tobi roppo couldnt deal with the scabbards
Yes Neko was more injured than Perospero, thats why I say hes tobi roppo level and not thrid commander, but hes at least there no doubt
@@eloquitodelaesquina neko one shot him and he was injured
@@Planetdestroyer.138 Neko did that with su long form, wich is considerably superior to Jack who's a thrid commander above the tobi ropo
Before su long Perospero was BEATING Neko, even tho neko is above the tobi roppo
Now he was hurt of course, thats why Im not saying Perospero is third commander or above, but he is tobi roppo level
Ok but Ulti is actually absurdly strong, given all the attacks she was able to endure during the raid before finally collapsing. Even for a Tobi Roppo, she's very strong. It's hard to imagine any of the other ones tanking all the same attacks Ulti did in the same rapid succession. This, combined with giving Luffy a hard time briefly, as well as just being one of the most memorable of Kaido's goons, all contribute to the Ulti mythos.
True
Makes me wish Ulti was part of the All Stars instead of Jack💀
Sis took 1 hit from BM and went down, only for her to get one shot by Zeus. Are you...
@@baonemogomotsi7138 But the key thing is she got back up after getting hit by BM. That's why its impressive. Especially when you add up all the damage she's already taken beforehand
@@01croc That's a endurance feat. Doesn't automatically make her stronger than Kat.
The importance that people give to that clash with Ulti is insane. No-one seems to understand that clashes are often drawn with a lot of impact to make for a more impressive spread, but that doesn't mean the characters are actually close in power level. Luffy and Ulti's clash was just drawn quite dramatically but it doesn't mran Liffy was struggling or that in an actual, serious and prolongued battle Ulti could stand her ground.
People also note that Luffy was about yo go Gear 4 against Ulti and argue that he thought he'd need G4 against her, but they ignore that Luffy had reaching the rooftop as his number one priority. He just wanted to get past the goons asap, so it makes sense he'd use G4 even if it's overkill.
Doesn't matter uti better kat trash uti is best girl
Surviving maser cannon is a better feat than katakuri’s entire resume
@@placeholder_384 Ong nigga riding kat meat bro ulti is literally the best character ever tf she literally tanking Yamato like she playing ball
@@placeholder_384yet she don’t have hax, future sight or even an awakening. She a dino girl with standard combat ability whilst katakuri is a narratively better character with much better potrayal. Deal with it clown
On top of that, Luffy wasn't using ryuo, which was the biggest AP boost he got in Udon.
He saved ryuo for a narrative reveal of his new strength, against Kaido on rooftop.
Without ryuo, Luffy is a bit more resistant than pre Udon, thanks to sea stone training, but not as strong as a whole G4 transformation. As long as he doesn't use, ryuo :
G4 post Udon > G4 pre Udon >>> base post Udon > base pre Udon
People forgot that G4 is a tremendous stats boost. Luffy spams hardening and DF properties so much, he can only last a few minutes before both get exhausted, and he has to "reload".
Ryuo bypasses toughness, that's why it allows him to do much more damage to Kaido, but doesn't mean all his stats jumped to the extent he blows a G4 transformation. That's where the confusion sets in. If he didn't have ryuo, Luffy would still do jackshit to Kaido. Maybe punch him through a little more houses, or get KO'd only for a few minutes after a Thunder Bagua, but his gains would still be too weak to overcome the durability of a creature who could come out unscathed of a suicidal jump from a sky island).
Funny how Perospero, who is much weaker than Katakuri is portrayed as an equal to Jack, who is stronger than Ulti, really makes you think
Really Bro. Katakuri haters are crazy
Perospero got one shot by Sulong Neko, meanwhile it took Sulong Neko + Sulong Inu to take down Jack in a 2v1.
Big fucking difference dawg. Jack is easily way stronger than Peros. And then through feats we see that Ulti and Who's Who(the 2 strongest Tobi Roppo officers) are likely even stronger than Jack.
@@TheBoltMaster456
1)Jack got beat by Inu solo in Wano arc, in fact Perospero and Jack were beaten side to side by Neko and Inu by the same attack
2)Who’s Who and Ulti are weaker than Jack wtf, Jack is an All-Star, they are Tobi Roppo
Also what feats does Who’s who have? Getting low-mid diffed by Jimbei?
@@vovabars1234 then tell me why tf did Kaido pitch a game where whichever Tobi Roppo catches Yamato would get a chance to 1v1 an All-Star for their position?
It's clearly because some of the Tobi Roppo have gotten strong enough to challenge the weakest All-Star, Jack
@@vovabars1234 Who's Who was able to break through Jinbei's armament haki, a feat I can't imagine anyone besides Ulti and the All-Stars achieving. He has full mastery of Rokushiki + his own uniqur technique with fang pistol which is shown to be even more effective than finger pistol.
It wasn't until Jinbei got angry that he beat Who's Who
Also the way you said "getting low - mid diffed by Jinbei" sounds like an indirect jab at Jinbei, considering before Sanji and Zoro's power ups in their respective fights he was actually about equal to them.
For me knowing Roger was executed by two normal guys, it's clear that fights depend on how much haki is used, even whitebeard was easily backstabbed buy his "son".
I am not surprised by how weak characters land blows on stronger people.
To be fair, Roger wanted to die, but you make a good point.
Nah man those were for plot only, remember that guy with the horn in dresrosa, just one example, if they weren't durable then they break if they hit tough things right
Who said they where normal? Maybe they had very strong haki. We can't tell cuz haki wasn't shown back than
@@leonidasvonspartaNah bro, let's not reach, because Ace was also about to get executed by regular guys excluding Mr. 3.
@@woundedidiot429 they are durable because they are using haki, like big mom, when the picture of caramel broke she lost her haki and became vulnerable, as you know haki is related to the will.
most people get wrong are that One piece fights aren't about who lifts the most weights, they're about a battle of wills and dreams. Is what I'm fighting for more important than what you're fighting for? Obviously there's more nuance in this and its more a combination of both. The difference between the Strawhats at Water 7 and Enies Lobby is a great example of this
Hakis not a power up like SSJ it literally means ambition.
But haki does act like a massive power up just see roger and shanks.
Clicked because Ulti
ULTI GANG 💙💜💙💜💙💜
LETS GOOO
This video was music to my fucking ears. Even as someone that puts alot of respect on Ulti (Cuz she deserves it), people saying that she's somehow stronger than Kat and Doffay are off their rocker. The powercliffing debunks also eased my should as well, people need to realize that linear powerscaling does NOT work a majority of the time in OP, especially when abilities are the main focus in a majority of fights.
Trust me brothers a few days ago i saw video where the guy and most of the commenters truly believe that post wano robin, chopper, nami can beat whole cake katakuri 1v1. They also claim that the same people can beat wholecake g4 luffy. Tf...i was so irritated i blocked the youtuber. Its like they see kaido in every beast pirate
NAH BRO THATS WILDDDDDDD. THE DAY CHOPPER BEATS KAT IS THE DAY I DROP ONE PIECE😭
Had u till the ulti part and I actually do believe wano is where the power cliffing really started happening not just from luffy but everyone in general
yea i think other people make massive gains too, Sanji goes from getting stopped by X-Drake in base to blitzing Queen for example
@@ReiStormie I know ulti can't beat katakuri but in terms of physical stats she surpasses him
The only downgrade for her would be that katakuri as a character is far more versatile
But in the case of Don flamingo ulti would kill him even tho his fruit is amazing its shown that ulti is able to throw clashes with Yamato and even parry some of bigmoms atks and even took a named combined atk and still hot back up
I'm not saying it's overwhelming but based off portrayal and how she was able to hurt luffy who has gone through 2 haki blooms at this point she would out scale doffy
There is also the case with perospero being able to defend against Marcos named atk and harm queen with his candy
Chopper drawing blood from Queen
The upscale in ussop durability
The downplay of kid law and bigmoms fight and so on
Truly this brings up another issue in the Fandom where I think haki is starting to make the series boring as now everyone is saying devil fruits are just accessories and if u don't have advance haki Ur meaningless and no matter how flashy or unique or quirky u fight with a devil fruit
1 Coq haki hit would kill you
The Coq haki amp was defs the biggest one that I can agree on
Nice video tho
There’s definitely a difference in power between udon luffy and onigashima luffy you don’t drop one shot difference of power due to your mental state.
You also lost me as ulti even know he was initially holding back they were in a power struggle it not like her strength caught him off guard out of no where he could have easily just used more force if he had the ability to. He also doesn’t blitz her in base he blitzed her in gear 2 and at this point he’s taking them seriously and shouldn’t be holding back actual strength. And he then implies gear 3 wouldn’t have been enough to overpower her. And that’s not to mention she then take a thunder Bagua which is a acoc attack and a unnamed acoc attack had green bull yelling in pain. And if that wasn’t enough she takes one of big moms strongest solo attacks and gets back up. While queen was one shot by bigmom using nothin goner than raw strength. I wouldn’t say she beats Katakuri but doffy? Yeah ulti is bullying doffy. Doffy would beat any other tobiroppo member tho ulti is just anomaly.
I dont care about the rest, only you got a fact wrong, luffy was in base not in gear 2, or at the very least, nothing implies it
@@yogrande5426 well there is we see the g2 smoke surrounding his movements
@@WindowLife. whenever there is smoke it doesn't necessarily mean luffy uses g2, normally he says when he uses or he turns more redish, also the smoke should come from him not the surroundings
@@WindowLife.That's not gear 2 smoke that's the smoke that was Caused when Ulti "won" the clash
Uti is better than kat I'm the biggest uti fans she solos every general one v one in whole cake
TOTALLY AGREED ! It's insane how so many guys seriously think the Beast Pirates are leagues above the Big Mom Pirates, just because :
1) Luffy was one-shot BY KAIDO, OF ALL PEOPLE !
2) they assume post Udon Luffy grew a hundredfold in all stats,
It's really simple:
- early Wano Luffy could already beat the Beast commanders, save maybe for King who would have required another haki bloom (in CoA, this time), just like Katakuri. Only Kaido was completely out of his league, just like Big Mom was out of his league on WCI. Besides the yonkou, WCI G4 Luffy was a menace, and his attacks would be devastating to 99% of the verse, with direct hits
- the main ingredient Luffy lacked, to be able to damage Kaido, was advanced coating, because sheer strength and hardening was never gonna cut it against a monster able to jump from a sky island and come out unscathed. He NEEDED the dura neg that comes with advanced coating. He did increase his resistance by doing sea stone training, and he buffed up a little with that workout, but none of that would have mattered much if he didn't learn ryuo. To this day, his sheer strength wouldn't scratch Kaido. Advanced haki coating is needed.
Without ryuo, post Udon Luffy is absolutely not stronger in base than he was in pre Udon G4 transformations. And he wasn't using ryuo against Ulti. The version of Luffy that Ulti fought (base Luffy + no ryuo) was nowhere near the Luffy that Katakuri still outpowered. Not even the same ballpark. Early Wano G4 Luffy would have destroyed Ulti.
That's exactly what I keep saying. People are dramatically overscaling Base Udon Luffy as if he were 100 times stronger when the primary amp that mattered was the advanced coating to dura neg Kaido which he didn't even use on Page or Ulti, in fact he was still tampering around with it before he even got to the Rooftop to fight Kaido...
I fully agree with you 🤝
People ( especially these stupid powerscaling youtubers who downplay Katakuri a lot ) completely ignore the balance of the OP world and the whole personality of the characters. One Yonko crew cannot stomp another Yonko crew, it doesn't work like that, BM's strongest crew member cannot be equal to one of Kaido's Vice-Commander.
After defeating Katakuri, Luffy wasn't equal to him at all, and let's be honest, Katakuri just gave up and let Luffy win because he saw him as a brave opponent. People don't understand what a 1st Commander is. They are monsters who master at least 1 form of Advanced Haki ( Katakuri has both + Conqueror's Haki, Zoro has Adv Armament + Infused Conqueror, Beckman probably has like Zoro, Marco has Adv Obs and Adv Arm ).
WCI / Wano Luffy didn't have any form of Adv Haki nor a devil fruit awakening ( his Observation was just a little bit advanced but not that much if you compare it to Katakuri's Adv Obs Haki ). People forget that he didn't even beat Cracker alone, he had to be helped by Nami, otherwise he would have lost.
So WCI / Wano Luffy is YC3 or YC2 at best ( so he could have defeated every Tobiroppo, Jack and maybe Queen in an extreme-diff fight, but not King ). He truly reached the YC1 level after mastering both forms of Advanced Armament Haki ( Emission and Internal Destruction ).
And Yeah, his training in Udon didn't make him faster or stronger than his G4 transformation, idk why so many people think that, it doesn't make sense at all. And the same people who think that are surprised that Luffy was one shotted by A YONKO. They use that as an argument to downplay Katakuri, but seriously, what did they expect lol ? they really thought Luffy would do anything against Kaido or what.
@@DIVER_ I agree with everything you said except when you say that YC1 know advanced haki and Luffy was YC2 at best.
From what we've seen, King didn't have any advanced haki of any form either. He had no advanced haki, no Conqueror's haki and not even DF awakening, all three things Katakuri had. His particularity came from lunarian DNA.
When Luffy won against Katakuri, it was a statement that he could surpass YC1. Not that he would have an easy time with any of them, but that he had the resource to surpass them in a fight.
Back in WCI, Luffy already had the power to battle those guys. The problem with the Sweet commanders wasn't exactly Luffy's power, but they had special skills, great battle IQ and were good strategists.
Cracker's strategy was to exhaust him with endless cookie soldiers, and strike every time there was an opening.
Katakuri on the other hand could match his power, but his future sight allowed him to anticipate everything Luffy wanted to do and made him virtually untouchable.
On the other hand, the Beast Pirates didn't exactly shine in battle iq or haki mastery. Their main trade was brute strength. They were zoans, with things like durability and endurance, which is why I think Luffy would have had a blast against them, because zoans have always been his specialty. G4 was specifically designed by Luffy to fight very strong beasts. The top tiers would have resisted his punches better, but Luffy could just punch them more, or harder, he's always been good at doing that. Only Kaido and flame on King would have been out of his league, which is why I think a CoA haki bloom would have been necessary. If Zoro could fold King with 3 ACoC attacks, Luffy could probably overwhelm him too, extreme diff, with ryuo gatlings (something like Red Rock gatling) and maybe a ryuo King Kong Gun.
@@almy-qy1lf I agree with your pararaph about " Luffy destroying the Beast Pirates " lol. Since he's a Mythical Zoan, he would have been able to fight them for a long period of time, thanks to his great Endurance. I also agree that this version of Luffy could beat King in 1v1 but ONLY if he has a huge Armament Haki bloom, cuz the 1st form of Adv Armament Haki is Emission which lets you hit your target from further away, so it wouldn't do anything to King, but the 2nd form of Adv Armament Haki ( Internal Destruction ) would actually seriously damage King since it damaged Kaido with the Red Rokh.
But, I gotta disagree for King's Haki and WCI Luffy's level :
King has the 1st form of Advanced Armament Haki and I can easily prove it :
We know Enma " exudes it's wielder's Ryuo ( Adv Armament Haki ) on its own and slices more than needed ", so Zoro is forced to use Adv Armament Haki ( Emission ) when holding Enma. And we all saw King overpowering Zoro during their fight, he literally swept him away with his sword lol. So King's Armament Haki was as strong or stronger than Zoro's.
So as I've said, every 1st Commander is crazy strong and has at least 1 form of Advanced Haki ( + Katakuri has a df awakening and Conqueror's Haki, maybe he will show the Infused version when he will come back, who knows ). Also, Kat also has Adv Armament Haki but the strongest form which is Internal Destruction. Remember the Germa durability ? their skin is like iron and when they get hit by any strong attack, their body gets deformed / broken and goes back to their natural shape right after cuz of their Germa regeneration ability, but they don't bleed. Same for Sanji when Queen used his Brachiosaurus technique to pressure and crush his bones and organs. Sanji''s body was totally broken but he fixed himself in a second.
In chapter 871 Ichiji attacks Katakuri but gets no-diffed by him. Katakuri holds him by the neck with one hand and we see Ichiji bleeding but his body isn't broken nor deformed. So Katakruri just one shotted him with an Adv Armament Haki attack by hitting him from the inside, that's why Ichiji is bleeding and why his body wasn't broken at all.
Another proof for that is in chapter 883 when Katakuri and Luffy clashed and Luffy's hands literally swelled up after he punched Katakuri's fists and Katakuri said " There are even LEVELS to the Color of Armament ", so Kat is literally confirming that his Armament is ON ANOTHER LEVEL.
1st thing to note, their fists made contact, so Katakuri is not using Emission.
2nd thing to note, Luffy is in pain, screaming with white eyes and he's even blowing on his hands because of the pain.
3rd thing to note, since Katakuri said that his Armament Haki was on another level and since he's not using Emission, therefore he's using Internal Destruction which corroborates the fact that Luffy had swollen hands because the pain was coming from the inside + the fact that he bypassed Ichiji's iron skin.
Also, Luffy wouldn't have been able to defeat Cracker without Nami's help. I agree that Cracker's strategy is very effective when it comes to exhaust the ennemi with endless biscuit soldiers, but the man was just too strong for Luffy. He was ragdolling G4 Luffy, the same G4 who folded Doflamingo, Cracker almost cut his arm, Luffy even said that his Armament Haki was something else and later we learn that Luffy was constantly eating biscuits and running away, he couldn't even fight iim properly.
Cracker also has a df awakening, I've seen a yt shorts explaining that, you should search for " Cracker devil fruit awekening " on yt.
In the end Cracker was too strong for Luffy and he won because of particular circumstances ( Nami's water + Cracker losing his calm and getting trapped by Luffy ).
But it wasn't a real win like when he won against Lucci for example. So after defeating Cracker, Luffy wasn't even as strong as him, and it was the same thing when he defeated Katakuri, that's why I'm saying WCI / Wano Luffy wasn't YC1 lv but more YC3 ~YC2 at best. And as I've said, every YC1 has at least 1 form of Adv Haki which was not Luffy's case. But I totally see WCI / Wano Luffy winning against Jack or Cracker and going into an extreme-diff fight against Queen or current Sanji ( it would go either way ). But if there was a rematch agaist Katakuri with no interruptions, Kat would win Mid-High diff. The man mortally wounded himself with his trident, he was tanking and dodging attacks while using 2 types of Advanced Haki + his Awakening ( which consumes A LOT of energy ) and he even tanked Luffy's final attack and he got back up. His resistance and endurance feats are just insane.
Anyway sorry for the essay lol, it's cool to share opinions and discuss like that, I hope my points were clear enough 😄
@@DIVER_ your points about Katakuri make a lot of sense. I agree, those look like hints of advanced armament, and if not full blown ryuo, at least some intermediate level. It was made clear that his CoA was above the basic coating Luffy was using. In any case, he had advanced observation, which already agrees with what you said abt YC1 having adv haki.
I also agree that during the fights Luffy had against Cracker and Katakuri, he was quite helped by the circumstances. But the thing is, by the time he emerged victorious against Katakuri, that was already a whole different Luffy than the one who started the fight, and certainly a different one than the Liffy who was struggling against Cracker, because he grew in skill and experience during those fights. A rematch wouldn't have the same dynamic as the first time. And that's why I consider that, after Katakuri, Luffy was legit at least able to extreme diff a YC1. That's what a victory meant. You might argue that he didn't actually defeat Katakuri by surpassing him in anything except stamina or will, and I could agree. But the point is, at that point, he had the inner resource to overcome a YC1, even if it meant he couldn't walk afterwards.
However, with King, again, I don't really see a good reason to suggest he had any advanced haki. I think Oda opted for something different with him, another strength factor. Katakuri had wowed us with haki feats, DF awakening and battle iq, King got the ferociousness plus the lunarian DNA and associated abilities.
Overpowering Zoro doesn't really require advanced haki use, King's overwhelming strength can account for that.
And it took Zoro some time to master Enma and ACoC. King was really dominating when Zoro was still figuring them out. As soon as he got a handle of both, it was pretty much a wrap.
The streets needed this
Also perospero is stronger than the scabbards by scaling close to jack and beat an injured Nekomamushi
But injured izou is already a lot stronger than apoo and xdrake
Perospero is far from Katakuri in power. So there's a narrative counter
Perospero isn’t as strong as Jack. This is a common misconception.
Pero literally state that he would of lost fighting Surlong Carrot and Wanda if it wasn’t for the weather. Where as the Three Musaketeers are stated to be the strongest warriors underneath Neko and Inu and they lost trying to fight a Healthier version of Jack.
At that point, Jack,Neko, and Inu are way more fatigue than Pero post the rooftop fight so no, he doesn’t scale at all to Jack.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 perospero defeated nekomamushi once he was no longer in sulong, and his more diverse abilities help him with that
You can also see jack having many cuts on himself because of the sulong warriors, perospero cannot walk away with cuts like these
Also they're defeated next to each other which could mean something. Jack is stronger but not by much
@@thearsalandombgaming I don’t think that matter since once the weather turn cloudy, Neko lost his power and Pero took advantage of that in the midst of that. That’s why Pero ended up gloating that he was lucky again and Wanda is surprise to see that he’s no longer in Surlong form.
Lastly, i already explain why just bc they were defeated at the same time doesn’t mean they are equal. Again at that time Neko, Jack, and Inu are all stated to have been weaken so trying to claim Pero and Jack scale isn’t the case.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 nekomamushi even in base is as strong as jack. Both jack and Neko are injured. Jack is stronger than perospero but not by much
@@thearsalandombgaming I agree with Jack and Neko just not the Pero stuff. I feel like you keep ignoring that carrot and Wanda could defeat Pero in comparison to Jack fighting an army of Surlong and defeating even their top commanders before having to fight both Neko and Inu.
To said it not by much seem disingenuous like Pero isn’t being capable of performing something even relative to what Jack did.
Power creep is just Katakuri haters to justify there unnecessary hate for Katakuri😂😂
katakuri slander is hilarious tho
So if someone likes katakuri and still agree the power creep weakens him that means they don't like katakuri but hate him?
Its only in the internet where u will find people who will dictate and tell you how you feel and generalize an entire group based of Thier 1 agenda
tf are you talking about, Katakuri is literally my 2nd favorite One Piece antagonist and Luffy vs Katakuri is my 2nd favorite One Piece fight after Luffy vs Lucci in Enies Lobby. It's just a simple fact that Wano introduced a massive power cliff where even Nami and Chopper in Wano can defeat characters they would previously get stomped by like Oven and Daifuku 💀💀💀 and Katakuri would get mopped by any of the monster trio in their base forms, and current Jinbei would also mid diff Katakuri. 💀
All this Just for Kaido to acknowledge that the tobbi roppo are strong (being there when King ordered them to capture Yamato and Kaido alongside the Allstars not disputing their ability to do so) and Doffy is weak.
That’s also a drunken kaido talking off of circumstance. Perosperos candy wall was destroyed by a red hawk from luffy pre Katakuri doffy and perospero should be around the same strength if not doffy just being superior. Perospero and jack are portrayed as parallels with perospero even doing better against neko. Doffy should outscales everyone in the tobiroppo besides ulti.
@@WindowLife.I disagree about Pero and Jack. People seem to forget that Jack, Neko, and Inu are way more weaken than Pero considering he already stated that Surlong Wanda and Carrot were strong enough to defeat him if it wasn’t for the moon.
With Carrot even stating that they are stronger minks than her and Wanda Aka the Three Mustakeers who already fought a healthier Jack and lost at the end of Wano so claiming he’s equal to Jack is silly.
@@shaquillesommerville4060 why do you think they’re way weaker? Perospero is still continuously bleeding fork the face even after the carrot and Wanda fight and is shown huffing and puffing. He consistently continues fighting and even damages monster point chopper. He also gets sent flying from getting hit by queen. So I don’t really see a substantial difference. Carrot saying they’re stronger could simply refer to physical strength as neko and inu are typically shown using physical attacks while carrot and Wanda used attacks with electricity which is more so related to ap. She can also just be faster. Carrot also of course have a lot of respect for them. I mean she was making zoro sweat in base and zoro doesn’t really get any stronger from zou to the beginning of wano
@@WindowLife. They were much more weaken than Pero bc they experienced a much harder fight than Perospero.
For example, Jack fought an army of Surlong which includes the 3 Mustakeers who were stated as the strongest fighters that the minks had under Neko and Inu then he had to fight both Surlong Neko and Surlong Inu.
Neko and Inu then had to fight Kaido where as Pero only big fight was literally the Carrot and Wanda fight.
@@WindowLife. The electricity thing isn’t just a carrot thing. Other Surlong have that as well. And lastly, I don’t think her making Zoro sweat in Zou matter since Act 3 Zoro has way more better scaling at that point that he’s should be clearly stronger than Neko at that point of time.
W video HE SPITTIN
Doesn't luffy get a Rayleigh flashback saying that your haki grows stronger based off your opponent during this fight so you'd be wrong in assuming luffy didn't grow physically stronger as well because luffys original clashes with Kat weren't equal and the only thing that increased for snake man would be speed so yes luffy is faster then he was previously we just don't know by how much and he is strong enough to clash with him
One, base fatigue luffy didn't hit katakuri once, he was clearly shown kicking him in the face and punching him again. The fact that a fatigue base luffy is doing more damage than when he was in gear 4 says a lot. Two ask yourself this would post wudan luffy really say that he shouldn't underestimate doflamingo??? The same man that called them monsters. Come one luffy was clear damaged by ulti, and luffy was using armament which is obviously stronger than the armament that went against katakuri. Haki gets stronger every extreme fight. True ulti is nowhere near base luffy since he can take hits and damage a yonko in base, but katakuri is no where near that base luffy too, even far more.
bruh😐
Katakuri beats queen High Diff and Extreme Diffs with King. No Cap
3:50 comparing Doffy to Katakuri is just plain wrong ulti beats Doffy and Doffy is weaker than weakest commander level
Based on what? Luffy one tapped Page one without gear 4 who is on the same level as Ulti but he needed gear 4 for Doffy.
I believe Kaido acknowledged how strong Luffy was at his absolute strongest during that time, he knew that once Luffy used Gear 4 he would need to go all out.
Never was it stared that he said he needed to go all out. It was only implied that he had to unleash more of his power. In fact, I don't believe Kaido went all out until Luffy went Gear 5, the Bajarang clash.
Ulti is the most overrated character and Katakuri the most underrated because of some insane leaps in logic. Like if Ulti was stronger than Katakuri(Big Mom's strongest commander) how the fuck was Big Mom even an emperor at this point, her whole crew should have been useless compared to other yonkos.
no because look at shanks crew we know that the third commander in his crew should be stronger than king and katakuri. look at luffy crew sanji is stronger than katakuri and close to king and he is a 2nd commander
@@trav1325Yasopp is portrayed to be equal to vista Lmao, he’s not stronger than king and Katakuri
@@Khaled68335 no that is not true red hair commanders are portrayed higher than everyone else member when the bounties were reveal also I thought it was lucky roo
@@trav1325 it is true, Yasopp is just a long range sniper who will be surpassed by the likes of Van augar and Usopp, so do you think those guys will be even close to king and Kata level? There’s still balance though, only Benn Beckman stand a chance against king and Kata
@@Khaled68335 base upon story progression he should be
Ulti is kinda thicc ngl
Bro is the only Power Scaler with a functioning brain.
there are plenty here on youtube if you look for them
Wrong viola’s chlamydia > katakuri
thank you. the ammount of brain ded people saying future sight gear 1 luffy beats katakuri is insane. so is belief that somehow luffy who clearly tries to avoid fights to preserve his stamina for kaido and was attacked by a suprise attack, AND underestiamted ulti is somehow weaker than ulti. if you spend so much time and effort about deciding which fictional character would win in a fight at least get yourr sources straight. powerscalers with agendas are unbearable sometimes.
What you fail to mention is that legit it is stated luffy has grown significantly stronger for each attempt he fought kaido and the same can be said for katakuri. You fail to mention haki blooming which in fact makes the individual much stronger than he previously was as explained by reyleigh.
Luffy had 2 boosts of haki blooming during wholecake which were mainly against katakuri and its shown how much he improved when defeated katakuri. The same is said for kaido luffy had almost 6 power ups in wano which would put him above G4 from wholecake in his base form now would i say this means ulti beats katakuri? No. But does this mean luffy can beat katakuri in base? Most definitely.
Luffys very first power up was when he trained with sea stone cuffs which prevented him from using haki and his devil fruit abilities so he was getting those raw muscle training which greatly boosted his physical capabilities. He then trained his haki and ryuo haki which again is boosting luffy physical capabilities.
From jump luffy after the prison training he is already competing against characters who would destroy doffy in his base form and especially giving them hands to kaido and big mom.
Luffys second power up is during the roof top where he loses to kaido once again where he learns to control his conquerors haki and use an advanced form which boosts his capabilities even further not to mention there was plenty of haki blooming during that fight as well so by the end of this 2nd power up luffy should be well over gear 4 bounce man from wholecake.
Luffys 3rd power up was again when he lost to kaido for a 3rd time and basically got even more haki blooming boosting his physical capabilities ONCE AGAIN. At this point luffy is getting close to G4 snake man in terms of speed.
Now im not gonna go on and on with this but all i gotta say is that luffy base form end of wano>G4 start of wano(the one who fought kaido at the very start)
Also
Ulti>doffy
Not gonna explain why it should be obvious
Hey so unrelated question, what's the name of the track playing during the video?
Growing up is realizing that Ulti's only win condition is outlasting Katakuri in terms of Endurance.
She probably won't tag him or even land a clean attack on him during the entire fight, due to his speed, DF and Future Sight. But in all likelihood, it definitely won't be an easy fight for Kat.
He's basically fighting against a tank that he can never hope to put down, regardless of how much power he uses. Even Big Mom's 3 weapon combined attack didn't fully defeat her and they needed part of BM's power (a.k.a Zeus) to put her down. Even if she's temporarily knocked out, her ancient Zoan fruit will allow her to keep getting back up.
In boxing, there are fighters who lose and win fights by outlasting their opponents, even if they are outclassed in other categories. She'll keep getting back up
Oda always power cliffs the side characters to be relevant to certain benchmarks that he’s given in the story to keep up with the progress of the straw hats. The fact that people who think someone who’s relative to Marco who can briefly take on King & Queen is weaker than Ulti who got [checks notes] speedblitzed by base Luffy while while was looking directly at him. LMAO.
Now Luffy has obviously gotten more powerful from WCI to Wano, but WCI Gear 4 Luffy STILL made Big Mom block an attack with armament Haki. Katakuri not only took those hits but was also using Awakening + Future sight for TWELVE HOURS when Uselessass Kid and Law couldn’t manage their awakenings for a far shorter timespan. And if NAMI AND USOPP can survive an Ulti mortar than she is not fucking up Kat. If Perospero could fuck up Nekomamushi in his base form then a FLYING SIX is not touching him. In fact you’re right this goes for Doflamingo too, easily. The man fodderized Jozu who is relative to Marco in base and fought Gear 4 Luffy while holding his organs together after a Gamma Knife (and to anybody who says this is inconsistent. It’s a hell of a lot more consistent than Yonko crews who fought eachother many times somehow having random officers that outscale eachothers commanders)
What people dont relaise is that you cant power scale one piece, its not a traditional battle manga, Characters in one piece are as strong or weak as the story needs them to be in that current time.
For example Mihawk who we know needs to be one of the top in the verse looks terrible on paper:
He was struggling against Vista
He couldnt hit pre time skip luffy
He was stopped from chasing luffy by Crocodile...
But we know when he needs to be Oda is going to make him an absolute monster.
Crocodile was beaten by pre gears luffy, then he suddenly comes back and he is able to throw hands with Mihawk and Akainu ?!
I dont think Oda even thinks about powerscaling when he is writing, he just writes what would be interesting and make a good story.
In story Luffy has gone from Doflamingo level to Kaido level int he space of a few weeks.
Strength in One piece makes no sense lol
Even recently when Sanji defelcted Kizarus laser with the power of "love" and Kizaue himself says " I guess we need to change the laws of physics"
Trying to powerscale one piece is like trying to power scale looney tunes or spongebob, people are just as strong as they need to be.
Odas looking like he’s ranking devil fruits aswell with these awakenings
Agreeable
You should make a how strong was Ryuma video next?
Anyone saying Katakuri got powercliffed by any of he beast pirates you doesn't have a single brain cell or you're closed minded, Ulti is a part of the Tobbi Roppo who are all indivually weaker then every All star (Jack, Queen, King) in this case Marco the same person who clashed eqaully with Perospero regardless if they weren't going all out was able to take on Queen and King, Knowning that makes Perospero fully capable of fighting with an alll star like Jack which is further proven by Neko and Inu (Minks) who are complete equals who ended up winning Pero and Jack both with the same difficulty (high/extreme) both get beaten till they use sulong form only then do they have the edge, but they're forced back to base and get overpowered by pero and jack indivually, not until they goto sulong again do they win making Jack and Perospero Equals, Jack is superior to any Tobbi Roppo, Katakuri is stated to be the Strongest Of the Big mom children making Katakuri many times stronger then any Tobbi Roppo, Perospero, Jack and streonger then the likes of Queen the only one that can potentially beat Lataluri is King.
So there isn't anything called "powercliffing" in one piece, this isn't fairy tail. If you were a long time fan of one piece you'll know everyone used the terminology "powercliffed" to crocodile putting the likes of Brook, franky, blueno, and much more ahead of him. after we get crocodile in action again all these claims are completely debunked.
Gonna have to disagree here, while it is true the Katakuri meant what he said in a narrative since he also mean it in a power since he was clearly impressed by luffys growing haki and straight up gets stalemated by gear 3 while his using a more advanced haki. When before hand he completely overwhelmed luffy and layed him out
finally someone gets it
People say chopper beats katakuri cis he drew blood from queen. Now although I do think queen is stronger than katakuri, there is no way chopper can get around katakuri's future sight and speed. Chopper doesn't have haki. The only way he even has a chance of winning is if he learns arm and obs haki and gets a haki bloom during the fight and I doubt that's gonna happen cos chopper, assuming he goes into monster mode immediately, will only last 30 mins and that's not enough time to learn and bloom haki. Chopper will get splatted when he turns tiny
Chopper only drew like 2 drops of blood from Queen, this is more of a testament to how physically strong monster Chopper than anything, but I agree Chopper gets whooped by Kat because Chopper has no form of haki and he is wayyyy too slow to even get a hit in on Kat.
@@TheBoltMaster456 Yup
2:59 I don’t think that matters since you could just argue that Katakuri got a Haki bloom. It won’t change the fact that his Base was fighting on par with Katakuri and doing more damage than his previous gear 4.
3:13 It made pretty clear Katakuri isn’t calm at that instance so it won’t matter. Obviously Katakuri using Future sight> when he can’t use it so Base Luffy feat would be more impressive than the Gear 4 feat.
5:16 Many people seem to forget that Ulti isn’t fully transform herself and is caught offguard when Luffy decides to stop underestimating her.
Now the main thing that is important to note is definitely the idea that he got pressure into using G4. That’s important bc as explain he is trying to conserve energy but in Ulti case it isn’t going to be a situation like the Number case. She showcase to be able to still be standing and willing to fight even after taking attacks from Luffy, Yamato, and even Big Mom. So very clearly she’s durable and the characters like Doffy and Katakuri just doesn’t have AP to take her down.
Her damaging that Base Luffy while him being overconfident is also good in showing she does have AP to at least hurt that Base Luffy who got stronger in order to fight Kaido.
The only thing you could probably argue is speed to save Katakuri. But since that’s the only thing saving him, I automatically have the All-Stars(Jack, Queen, and King) all above Katakuri in stats where as Ulti and the other Tobiroppo debatable at best.
Uti best girl she beats kat ass
Wow a rare smart scaler, no bias or agenda.
EVERYONE!!!! who is saying Ulti above Katakuri is BRAIN DEAD.
Ulti agenda? We will be there no matter or what
agreed but luffy is 100x stronger then he was pre time skip, in manga
This was a good ass video
I agree, wano mostly gets ap power cliffed rather than speed.
With the exception of Sanji. He power cliffed everyone in terms of speed 💀
bro power scalers take every word too literally
Ulti got beat up by fucking Nami, she is NOT like that
Look I hate scaling ulti but how does your explanation make sense, you make it sound like luffy can increase his powerful from 50 to 100, no he’s always at 100 percent depending how much power he puts in to it so if he can’t get out of ulti grip and says he needs gear 4 instead of gear 2 or 3 what does that say
Agree
The biggest mistake one piece scalers make is trying to power scale one piece
(Since scalers can’t see beyond black and white)
1. They try to look at fights as physical battles but especially in one piece these fights are emotional (specifically the katakuri fight)
2. Y’all mfers think way too much, oda writes this story to make it interesting not to accurately portray each characters power. You go on 20 minute rants over something oda spent 4 seconds on because he thought it was cool (not saying odas a bad writer but I’m saying that it’s not his priority)
1. If you think base luffy rarly hit katakuri and luffy beat katakuri in 13 blows then those times with base luffy must have been a lot of damage to katakuri
2. anyone in one can sense Haki if katakuri says luffy is his equal, he is his equal. Using ideology means katakuri would just quit the fight like he did In the end and say you have surpassed me straw hat, not that there are equal
3. Katakuri like luffy gets stronger too he’s blooming like luffy just not as fast because katakuri just massively scales over luffy
There's always this type of "power cliffing" crap that happens in every series.
I'll give 3 examples:
1. Bleach
Before the TYBW, Ichigo had surpassed everyone by miles and dimensions with his Dangai transformation, but in the TYBW, because 1 fking character said they had been training for "Aizen-level threats" every idiot assumed every Captain was now dimensions stronger and scales to or above Dangai. Some don't, but they also apparently scale True Shikai and Bankai above Dangai and Mugetsu because of 1 fking statement that Yhwach said, in which Yhwach never stated that True Shikai>Dangai and Mugetsu btw, just that he somehow regained some powes he lost. This interpretation upscales previously fodder characters like Rukia and Renji to above Aizen who had to get multiple transformations to get stronger, and apparently "training" is enough to overcome that insane power that the Hogyoku or Dangai give you. Now, of course, Bleach characters do get stronger on average, but it's nowhere near the insane power creep that idiots like to say it is.
2. Naruto
It's all thanks to the idiots' scaling of Kaguya being weaker than Momoshiki and from the 5 kage fighting Momoshiki, people immediately scale the fodder scrubs to above Madara and Hashirama. Yeah. Right. Like, people that were considered gods among Shinobi and peerless talents, reincarnations of Indra and Ashura at their peaks can just be surpassed by "training". There's also the Sakura>Itachi and Jiraiya=Urashiki>Kaguya scaling.
3. One piece itself.
There are multiple possible interpretations to everything, but unless the only realistic interpretation of something is power cliffing, people should assume there is no power cliffing. When an author writes their story, they write with some internal logic. Not every author is as stupid as Toriyama.
What's the point of getting hyped for any character being any strong, being the "Strongest Creature" or "Strongest Man" if every other irrelevant character is going to surpass them? Use your brains, people.
didnt katakuri also sorta let luffy win the fight like when he got hit onto his back its sorta implied he could get up but simply didnt. Wasnt their a few times besides of course the sneak attack that he could have taken down luffy if he went a bit harder. Honestly luffy after his training on wano was prob only slightly above katakuri and it would still be a difficult fight cause theirs a decent chance katakuri reverses it on luffy and starts learning funny durability negation haki mid fight. Of course G5 luffy and advanced conquerors haki would put luffy solidly above katakuri but that makes sense since tbh conquerors haki till this point was sorta shit with it seemingly doing not much besides KO weak enemies which is nice to remove low level goons but useless in actual fights. It never really felt good or impactful cause all it really did was defeat a buncha enemies a decent wide ranged attack could prob deal with anyways. It semi makes sense that true advanced C haki would be a big power up even tho a stat boost is sorta booring ngl.
I dont understand the katakuri slander or even the beast pirate hype
Wait, so there are people who actually took Katakuri's statement of Luffy not being inferior to him as base Luffy is stronger than G4 Luffy? Just because Luffy was in base when he(Katakuri) said it??
Lmao, c'mon man. These powerscaling nerds.. Not everything happening in the story should be seen through a powerscaling lense! What about looking at the story from a narrative sense? This whole Katakuri thing is just as bad as people saying that Luffy was scared for Saturn instead of Kizaru back in chapter 1090 just because "Yonkou > Admiral", so no way Luffy can be scared/worried about Kizaru, EVEN THOUGH everything in the chapter points to Kizaru was the one who entered Egghead. Like seriously, too much powerscaling is literally taking away reader's basic reading comprehension ability. It's pathetic,
On rank alone Ulti should be weaker than Jack the Disappointment and I doubt Jack can beat Katakuri.
Ulti obliterates Doflamingo...
I explain Ulti vs Luffy with Brago's logic of "canon events" and the idea that certain events had to play out the way they did regardless of scaling logic. Within One Piece there are tons of these instances like with Kizaru not instantly folding Sentomaru, when Rob Lucci could, or a serious Katakuri not being able to land a hit on base Luffy with his spear, even though later in the fight he would have comabat speed equal to snake man. The Ulit vs Luffy clash also just makes no sense but had to happen for Oda to show a sense of threat since logically scaling Ulti to post Udon Luffy in any way, other than pure physical strength, would mean that Ulti (not even in Kiado's top 4 subordinates) could supposedly take on Kiado and damage and dodge him like Luffy did on the roof top. This would also mean that supposedly post Udon Luffy could not one shot Nami and Ussop since they were tanking attacks form Ulit. This makes even less sense if you scale Ulit over start of Wano gear 4 since then you are seriously saying that Nami and Ussop could tank a start of Wano king kong gun from Luffy.
It's called context.
Luffy was in a rush and so went overboard to gear 4
You lack standard reading comprehension and are attempting to scale one piece like it’s dbz. Characters getting stronger in the next arc doesn’t immediately mean all characters in the recent arc surpassed the previous what type of linear dbz logic is that ? One piece power scaling takes into account hax, haki, devil fruit potency and many more stats so saying that katakuri is clearly >>>> ulti and that clash meant nothing as that would be like saying vista scales to mihawk because they clashed which is begin ridiculous given narrative potrayal which also makes katakuri look much better.
@@raven717 you come here saying I "lack standard reading comprehension" when you clearly cannot read. My comment literally says that some instances should not be used for scaling characters since they are completely contradictory to where the story is telling us characters are at. I literally agree that Ulti is not stronger than Katakuri and that the story has not had a massive power cliff for most characters since the story itself and the narrative throughout would crumble.
Alright that’s on me. Apologies for misreading my bad.
@@CameronkAK clearly I’m the one that lacks reading comprehension 🤣
Sanji > katakuri