Unc & Gil are FED UP with Scottie Pippen's Michael Jordan obsession | Nightcap
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- Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to Chicago Bulls legend Scottie Pippen's recent comments, calling Michael Jordan the GOAT after recently criticizing MJ. They also discuss Pippen's constant flip-flopping in support of Jordan and LeBron James, and Gil explains why Pippen is so bitter after winning six NBA titles.
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Unc trippin saying “Jordan didn’t have the power that Steph and Bron have today” Unc lol Jordan is the NBA still to this day.
Damn sure is!!!! When Jordan steps in the room, your favorite player, favorite’s player gets star struck. Facts!!!
@@sassyone82facts, MJ got louder cheers in Cleveland than LeBron doing that 75 year anniversary team. Let that sink in for a second
Lebrons Shannons biggest man cruah and that’s sus
MJ admittedly never forced player movement. His contract was less than $4mil annually until his final 2 seasons in Chi. MJ did not have GM power, which was the focus of their point. Obviously, he had social influence.
Facts they need to change the NBA logo to the Jump man logo.
last dance wasnt just jordan's story, it was about the bulls with jordan as the main guy, i.e. kerr's storry, rodman's story, krause, phil, pippen, kukoc, etc.
I don't get it why haters say that THE LAST DANCE was made to make Jordan look GREAT.. mann..without the doc We all already know that Jordan is THE GOAT...
in fact, the documentary was made to focus on what happened in the final season of A DYNASTY.. and in every episode every player gets enough credit... pippen, rodman, and even kerr...At the end of the day, Pippen is just jealous of Jordan getting too much sportlight, and the Larsa/Marcus relationship is making him down.... lol
Exactly! They did a story about each player! Jordan wasn't there when Kerr father was murdered, did Kerr get mad bcuz it was talked about? NO! And Pippen spoke about that play, he didn't seem mad then.
True!!!! 💯
Like the Jackson 5. Michael Jackson is going to be the headline. Jordan was the headline with the Bulls. Period.
@@keykey4642 Jordan's father was murdered too.
Larsa got this man stressing
I hope not, she been gone.
That 304 was smashed & passed by all types of mofos including Jordan son that's why Pippen so mad
Puxxy cat must be fire😂
And MJ'S son cumin
taking all his anger out on Jordan when Future started it 😂
I never got the shoe comments. Other basketball players had shoe deals before Jordan with brands known for basketball shoes. Jordan takes a brand not known for basketball shoes to being the brand for shoes based on his play and popularity in the sport. Shannon out here making it seem like the shoe made Mike when it is the opposite.
He was the first one with a shoe to himself… the other guys was with converse sharing commercials.
Jordan got his own commercial. He was advertised really fucking well. But he did play well to back up his stardom
#Facts
Jordan did absolutely nothing regarding the Jordan sneakers.
1. the name "Air Jordan
2. All Shore designs
3. the Jordan fight logo.
4. Spoke Lee promoted and cultivated the Rhode as well
#TeachingTime
@@ericsthoughts4657 Not true. See the Puma Clyde which was the first from the 70s.
@@SilFord-o9f He put his name on them and promoted them. His play and popularity turned them into something great. They were popular way before Spike Lee got involved in it as well. Yes, those commercials are iconic but the shoe was already iconic before that.
@@DrHDoofenshmirtzphdyeah we all know that, idk what the hell he is talking about 😂
Nike was on life support before Jordan decided to pick them. You should ask yoursel Shannon, who is Nike without Jordan? Not the other way around.
Shanon loses all credibility when he talks about MJ’s greatness. The shoes didn’t make MJ great, MJ made the shoes great. The last dance was a bulls story not an MJ story , of course the story of Scottie not going into the game cos he didn’t get the last shot was part of the bulls story and we all witnessed it.
@@Sandalwood11 Right. It was part of Bulls history.
Exactly when you ever seen Nikes in anything 80s?
They were going to be just like any other sports brand until Jordan saved them
@@qualicumjack3906 uh Jordan's was out in the 80s and in the late 70s they had hightop trailblazer was tough 2
Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever.
No Scottie, no Jordan rings.
The facts.
With all the evolution of the modern-day NBA player with trainers, advanced medicine, sports science, analytics, nutrition, salaries etc. and they're still complaining about having to play 65 games 😑
Exactly. Spoiled brats‼ Players played for way less. And more for the love of the game.
LeSad isn’t it.
@@antoniowilliams9440 because there all those things teams hire analytical people and they tell teams to sit players stop putting everything on the players.
@@kmo1765it’s 100% on players FOH. Most superstar players sit out at any inconvenience but they you got someone like James Harden or Westbrook who hardly ever misses games. So players can play if they want to, stop trying to blame it on the organization🤦🏽♂️
Make it Make sense...that's all I hear....they're bigger faster and stronger yet get hurt more..math ain't mathing
Hot take, "Pippens Is Trippin'!"
I think this is the normal consensus now😂😂
I don’t know why they try so hard to shut him up. These guys are disappointing. Always backing the powerful. He has every right to express himself and gives his opinion.
@@faubourglincoln and they have every right to criticize his harsh and delusional opinions lol if he can spew them we all can criticize them
@@BlackBSolz they can be more delusional than him. The problem they are not only criticizing his opinion, they want him to stop giving his opinion.
@@faubourglincoln which is fine cause they explained he keeps going backs and fourth and making dramatic media runs about said opinion. If you had someone you knew that constantly flipped on a major opinion of theirs im 1000% sure you’d feel the same way, they’re not forcing him to just advising him too, it’s rlly simple to understand
Shannon was all happy to hear the tour was going to happen now he's disappointed that no real Jordan hate is coming from it. Stop hating
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100% facts
Both of them are Jordan haters from those Klutch checks
No. Cuz scottie said a few months ago "f mj lebron better. Actually mj kinda trash" now all the sudden hes "oh best to ever do it. Hands down"
exactly.
“I had fish on the bank that did less flopping than this”😂😂😂
Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever.
No Scottie, no Jordan rings.
The facts.
@@truthhurts837You stated some bullsh!t brother.
Jordan was winning DPOY when Scottie was warming up the bench 😂
Best defender ever? No, he was arguably not the best on his own team.
@@truthhurts837You do realise that the man completely choked for an entire season when Jordan left right?
😮lol
@@yougottachillbruh wait... didn't the bulls make it to the eastern conference finals with Pippen and without Jordan?🤔
Scottie's an example of why it's important to remain quiet and calm until you can figure stuff out. He IMO needs a therapist to sort through some things. Also, Gil's wrong about Grant. Grant started getting REAL salty in the early 90s when his brother Harvey started scoring a bunch of points, albeit on a bad team. He thought with Chicago he'd never get a chance to 'shine' like his brother did with Jordan there. And when he left he was a free-agent, it wasn't a trade.
Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever.
No Scottie, no Jordan rings.
The facts.
& your point is?
Yo 😂😂😂😂 U had me at Quiet and calm until you can figure things out. That’s low key therapists talk right there. Pray for Scottie 🙏🏾
Facts
Very true, he trashed a friendship over some stupid bullshit. Jordaan had always given scottie his props, he always said nice things about Scottie, but Scottie's jealousy that he was carrying around for years got to him.
Revisionist history. There WAS a HUGE uproar about what Pippen did by not going back in the game. Stop it
@punch1420 Exactly Bill Cartwright was hurt by that, and he was crying after the game.
@solacenmute4840 they had an entire meeting after the game. These folks trying to rewrite history to uplift their fraudulent GOAT
His point was that Jordan was in retirement. Jordan wasn’t a part of the team, so why does Jordan need to talk about it? It isn’t a part of his-story… Jordan’s-story. Not history overall.
@@Rumplegirlskin that's BS. This came out in the episode that covered Pippen specifically and solely. His ENTIRE history from being drafted through the last dance.
That included 1994
@@punch1420~ It isn’t that I disagree with that at all. And I think it should have been included. I was just speaking about the possible misunderstanding about the verbiage. Because Shannon said it wasn’t a part of Mike’s basketball history specifically. They could have included it without Mike narrating it. But he easily could have because he said something about watching it transpire during his retirement. I believe that was a major event and leaving it out is foolish. But you are absolutely correct. You should have put that in the main comment section for people to read as well.
You're wrong Unc. The players of the past are not resentful of the power that the current players have. They are resentful because the current players turn around and claim that they are better than the players of the past, without factoring in the advantages they have that the players of the past didn't have. Imagine if free agency existed when Oscar Robertson and Wilt Chamberlain played. They probably wouldn't have been stuck on bad teams losing to the Celtics superteam year after year.
Exactly. And the NBA is the only sport that does it 🤦🏾♂️
Not only that but back then there was loyalty to a team that drafted you.... players stayed put even if they lost tbeir entire career.... noone chased chips.... you won or you didnt.... you couldnt leave your team by tweeting i want out.... you didnt go play with your friends..... your friends were on your team!!! Everyone else was an enemy
In terms of shooting, yall left out that analytics play a huge part in today's game. They shoot way more 3s in today's game than back in the day. Players have way more freedom nowadays where back in the day you had to play in a system. Coaches had way more power back then.
They forgot to throw in rule changes catered to the offense
Not to mention the rule changes and the lack of defense that's played now
Youre not bringing up anything that hasnt already been addressed.
And because of those things basketball isn’t near as fun to watch nor is it as competitive
Could you imagine if Larry Bird attempted nearly 10 shots a game when he was playing how many points per game he would have averaged?
I'm so tired of the players are more skilled argument. What receiver is cooking Prime, what LB is shutting down Barry Sanders, what OL is stopping Reggie White. They only bring up this for NBA players. They never disrespect former NFL, MLB players. Players like Jokic and Luka disprove this theory every time they light up today's most skilled. Luka is no more athletic than Bird...but he cooks today's "most skilled" era. I wanna hear Shannon say. Prime would get cooked by Tyreke...I bet he wont
Tom Brady and Brett Favre destroyed that argument. Especially Brady. He was 44 schooling modern day players.
Luka has been a pro since he was 13 years old this doesn't prove anything. And people do say players today are better in the MLB and NFL it's just easier to stand out in the NBA since its 10 players on the court so things are easier to see. You gotta do more to stand out. The NFL and MLB since it's more about the team winning than you popping off the NFL is kinds drifting to being more player focused but it's mainly been on the QBs
TYREKE would burn deons draws off, then next play drop him on a block so hard Deon would sub out
And guess what them same players cook luka and Jokic so what’s your point
And Luka and Jokic don’t disprove this theory because nobody plays defense in this era
Ralph Sampson was doing wembanyama stuff in the 80s
Kinda💯👏🏿
No
He was doing chamberlain stuff lol
Speak on it
Other than be extremely tall, thin, blocking and dunking with ease... No! Ralph has about half the skill Wemby does, he can and literally does everything on the court. Ralph was also 21-22 years old as rookie after playing 4 years in college, Wemby coming straight in 18-19 years of old, doing work
People say a lot of negative about MJ but you see a lot of stuff he does that makes him seem deep down a good guy. After Luc didn’t make the cut in the last dance doc MJ participated in a doc done on Luc and sat down for a 30 minute or so interview on Luc and said some really kind things about him that at the time seemed to mean a lot to Luc. If MJ was the menace some want to portray he didn’t have to do that for Luc but he cared enough to take the time to do it because he genuinely did care about the dude.
Disagree. Last dance was front page of the newspaper. The thing with longley was page 7.
You have to be pretty damn ignorant to think the last dance is any proof at all of Micheal being a good human being. The dude literally had to approve EVERYTHING that went into that documentary dude. No shit they are going to have to try and appease him.
If you listen to folks that have actually interacted with him there are plenty of stories of him being an asshole.
@@Iceman-gm1fu I mean Luc was a role player… For someone like MJ he DID give a lot of time to a separate doc solely on Luc. I’d also imagine the piece on Longley was a much bigger deal in Australia tbf. I’m a low key MJ hater and I can’t stand the constant glazing but let’s be fair.
@@kerrydaniels8460 exactly. MJ had final approval. He allowed his teammate to be cast in a terrible light when he could have stopped it.
@@impulse_xs it's still page 7 imo. Everybody, millions, watched LD. Id be surprised if 100k people watched the LL thing.
Gilbert was using John Stockton as an example of how the game evolved and he said when he came into the league at 2001 and faced Stockton, John couldn’t stay in front of him. Should I remind Gilbert that at 2001, he was a 19 yr old rookie while John Stockton was a 39 yr old veteran who was into his 18th season in the league.
Arenas is not too smart for telling everyone he smoked John Stockton, as if that is due to the evolution of the players from a younger generation, but rather it was simply a case of a 19 yr old rookie being more physically capable than a 39 yr old vet, who is nearing the end of his career.
You had me at “Gilbert is not too smart.” Lol
Exactly, and all the « facts » they’re using can be debated by other arguments, not saying they are wrong about everything but come on, if they could only use valid statements for F sake 😂
He didn’t win anything even against his peers much less older
He did not win anything!!! At all
This is why he say winning don’t matter cause he didn’t win anything at all ever
He just was a ball hog Bibby could get buckets if wasn’t trying to win
And take in seats is crazy
I don’t want to see losing entertainment this is why Allstars game suck nobody want to see that
Shannon saying Michael is resentful he couldn’t/ didn’t team hop? No Shannon…. Lebron is resentful he DID team hop you got it backwards
Get MJs jockstrap out ya mouth. One player had a very good GM and other had a new owner and a team that players and even LBj have said they wasn't playing in Cleveland no matter who was there. Like come D Mitch is the only big name star I that's not LBJ or Kyrie that played for the Cavs in recent years and they both got drafted
@@illicitburn9386 both players went to historically bad franchises, one turnt them into a dynasty one ran to join a finals MVP. Now wipe your knees
@@illicitburn9386Sry but it’s facts in regards to guys building super teams just to win… Bron is still top 5 regardless but he ran to Build Superteams on all his Chips… You can’t even name the teams they beat for the bubblicious ring… But hey, it’s a still a ring…
@@williamsc2429Both the teams he beat for the 2020 championship were just in the Finals lol?
What are you talking about?
@williamsc2429 Just because you can't remember the name because you didn't watch just say that. I watched the bubble it was good basketball if you cared about basketball but most nba fans only care about non basketball. Lakers beat blazers with dame and Melo and people were saying if the blazers heat up the Lakers are beat. Lakers beat them then played the rockets with to former MVPs Russ and Haren and they got beat we was then waiting on the flippers to show up and actually have a battle of LA but they lost a 3-1 lead so the Lakers played the Nuggets and beat them to play the heat who that beat in 6. Just say you don't watch basketball. So going to a better ran team after your rookie contract is up because you're home team wasn't doing shit to help you win yeah ok.
Dude lost a child. That, in combination with splitting with his wife and The Last Dance got this man doing this. I wish him the best.
Yeah that’s true, that type of pain would make someone go Crazy (lost of child). I just pray for the brotha also 💯🙏.
Shannon Sharpe was saying last week that he's in support of Pippen and them going on tour about MJ and now that Pippen is saying MJ is GOAT Shay has a problem with the tour lol
MJ must have refused to sign an autograph for Shanon! Thin skinned Shanon
Shannon needs to stop the hate on MJ.
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You have a strange understanding of the word hate
Not glazing = hating
Where did he hate ? 😂😂😂
He changing the details of history to make Jordan look less than. How is that not hate ? I will give you 1 to start he keep saying the doc was about jordan it was not he was the star but the doc was about the last season. While also giving history of what led up to that final season.
The first 3 bulls chips,WAS NOT WITH ANY FORMER PISTONS PLAYERS.
I knowwwww, i keep thinking the same thing.
💯💯💯💯💯
the bulls chips were against teams with only 1 HOF on them, there was no competition. Those rings mean nothing
@@nogeagor971 I see why the letters NO is at the beginning of your handle, as in NOBRAINGOR, so let you tell it, chips are ONLY valid now if
the beaten team had multiple future HOF'ERS on that team...just plain STUPID.
@@michaellewis621 No it means you need real competition for those rings to mean somethin'
I blame all this constant GOAT debate on LeBron, won one ring against the Warriors and called himself the GOAT, ever since it's just been the same mindless conversation, all recency bias.
MJ has been retired for two decades yet he's still the bar that nba players have to be compared to. That's real GOAT stuff right there.
Wait till Lebron retires and someone else starts dominating the league, he'll be compared to none other than (drumroll)..MJ!
You sound emotional over there. It’s not that serious my guy.
Agreed. His finals record shows that in the big stage, he lost to his peers more than he beat them, all the while playing with over double the HOFers as MJ.
@@jeanjacques7874Classic Karen. People are entitled to their own opinion, kid. Not everybody has to think or feel the same way you do, kid. You’re weird for living in a free country yet try to subject your own feelings on others. 😂
I’m an admitting lebron hater but damn even this sounds stupid to me…..
How the fck this has anything to do with lebron…….
This wayyyyy before 2016
Pip was an all time great. Dude just in his feelings about his gal and feeling less than
Exactly
Basically
He was on the dream team
Or maybe he’s got a perspective y’all don’t have bc maybe you weren’t on the team ???!
@@donscoopez3942when you have a cult like following people see no wrong in what you do
Scottie Wilding, he's just trying to get publicity. He stays changing his view
He held the same MJ goat view for 30+ years. It only changed in 2020 because MJs son got with his ex wife. Notice how once that relationship ended, he is saying MJ is the goat again? No coincidence and several people said this already lol.
his view never changed
@@b111xThat’s not true. He was on first take like a decade ago arguing with SAS, saying that LeBron is the goat.
@@Realest1ne No he was not. Literally until 2020, he was ADAMANT that nobody ever will come close to MJ. Do you know what happened in 2020? MJs son got with his ex. Google is free buddy lol
@@b111x you don’t know what your talking about, Scottie been up n down w Jordan since the 2000s
SHANNON SHARPE…it’s the LAST DANCE! The shit is not the Michael Jordan career documentary solely. ITS THE LAST DANCE, meaning the LAST SEASON OF THE BULLS. WHY THE BULLS DYNASTY WAS ENDED!!!!
YOU GET THIS OR WHAT? I’ll be sending a super chat on NIGHTCAP where you are definitely going to have to acknowledge this or get exposed for just driving this narrative.
100 percent he’s too old to have this much hate for MJ. Funny thing is that we’ve seen how thin skinned Shanon is when people hate on him.
Lmfao what?
@@darrellvice2010bro thinks the doc was about the others, lol
@@williamh.gatesiii8183which it reallys Shannon was jusr hating lol
@@williamh.gatesiii8183 I mean if he wanted to be literal. His last dance was with the Wizards. So if it was gone be about the bulls it shouldn't just glorify Jordan as if he's the only one that had great nights to get that championship
In 1991, none of the Bulls' players were former Pistons' players as Isaiah lied about. Once again, Gilly didn't fake facts check. OMG
Damn sure wasn't was bj Armstrong Jordan pippen grant will Purdue others Sally and rodman came second 3peat
They're pissed at a man for being obsessed yet here they are also continuously talking about Pippen. You have Shannon Sharpe, a man obsessed about LeBron, calling out someone for being obsessive. The irony is strong here.
Ikr lol.
😂 you make no sense.
Nobody is pissed my guy lol. They just done with Pippen flopping on if he fucks with MJ or not. Pippen is doing it himself 😂. I'm convinced yall just go stright to the comments without even looking at the video just to get dumb ass takes off
Are they pissed or just talking about topics like every other podcast ? Lmao
@@undergroundflow that made PERFECT sense
How many times are these guys are going to say “don’t understand evolution”? The only thing that is constant in life is change. Gil’s comment towards Gary Payton and John Stockton is evidence that he himself doesn’t understand change and evolution. Yes, you can go from watching these legends to playing against them. However, your speed, skillset, athleticism will gradually diminish as you age.
Man Chill on the 80's and 90's ! That was the best Basketball
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GA is so delusional about his career. Teams don't want a guy scoring 28ppg on 42% shooting, there's a reason he never won anything, he was the best player on a bad team and never made it past the 2nd round ( which he only reached one time ) when he was "the guy".
You just said he had a bad team then say he never made it far in the playoffs ? 😂😂😂
@@mauriceervin6055 Exactly, he didn't make his teammates better. He was an inefficient stat padder.
@@caseysager655 the way ppl throw around the word “stat padding” nowadays is actually crazy
@@mauriceervin6055 Why is it crazy? Did you watch GA play? Is there anything about his game that made you think he was a great player of that era like LBJ, Kobe or Wade?
@@caseysager655 idk averaging 28 points is pretty good 😂😂😂😂 is it not? Going far in the playoffs is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. You literally said he had a bad team… what more could he have done lmao
So now that he's making it obvious he never thought bron was the GOAT you have issues😂
THIS!!!!💯💯💯💯💯
Gilbert saying "How can you fix something where people are being paid 50 million"
Ratings don't lie, and the NBA ratings are going downward.
That attitude of "Well my bank account is fine" is the antithesis of what got the league to where it is.
The ratings compared to the NFL are bad..... REALLY BAD.
Gilbert finally admitted that what we have today is not basketball...it's entertainment.
Gilbert is a breath of fresh air to the podcast. Instead of having to waste time doing circles with Ocho because he's always behind on the headlines, the conversation can actually move FORWARD.
I’ve said that ocho doesn’t need air well with unc.. he’s always behind on certain topics and when unc is trying to discuss a topic in a serious manner.. he’s always joking doesn’t take some things serious as he should.. it can be annoying at times
Todays nba players are stronger, faster, better but a g league player won the dunk contest😂
Back to back 😂😂😂😂😂
@@BallCDO cause guys don't wanna do it.
They are more athletic and talented but too many lack basic fundamentals.
More skilled but not stronger. Fast and strong Doesn't always translate to wins in basketball anyway. It's heart and confidence!
@@lapx1way stronger training is beyond what they did back then
Shannon still on Jordan speaking on Scottie not entering the game after a timeout even tho Jordan wasn't there. Dude, that was part of Scottie's story. Everybody on there had good and bad including Jordan. Pippen wasn't around when Jordan broke his foot but it's in the documentary. Pippen wasn't around for the back to back sweeps at the hands of the Celtics, but it's in the documentary. Stop the madness. Scottie should've went out there instead of throwing a hissy fit just because the play wasn't designed for him to get the winning shot (thank God).
The issue is the resistance to giving credit to those who paved the way. Basketball seems to be the worst at giving credit to the OGs. I never hear this from young football and baseball players. Just respect the shoulders you stand on.
I disagree like I personally feel it the opposite historically the older gen always hates on the newer one.
It ended in 23min . I know Scottie hates that 😂😂😂
😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂
We always thought there were guys like Strickland and Isiah. Back in the day “street moves” were considered a no no in the NBA. dudes like even forwards like Mashburn and Glenn Robinson had street handles, the NBA didn’t want it on the court.
Unc never mentions Tony Gonzalez. could it be that Tony played closer to his era. and alot of people say Tony was better than Shannon 🤷🏾♂️
The 1.1 seconds deal needed to be on there because it was a huge moment, and we all saw it. The fact that you both said it was a bad look is why it was in it.
Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever.
No Scottie, no Jordan rings.
The facts.
@@truthhurts837 John Johnson? Larry Bird? Jordan's got more all defensive first team selections also. Not that that is the end-all but he wasn't as good a defender as Rodman either. Regardless, you're just completely talking out of your ass.
15:20 “I can’t help you, you going fail the class now” 😂😂😂
Nah UNC The Last Dance was a MJ Documentary but it was a Bulls Dynasty documentary also. Pippen's success and his Mishaps should be talked about.
They didn't talk about Jordan cheating on his wife in the doc.
@@Dru2037 dumb comment,that had nothing to do with anything on court
If it was an MJ documentary then talk about his real last dance with the Wizards...
Gilbert really bragging about being faster as a 21 year old than 40 year old Stockton and Payton? And what he leaves out is 40 year old Stockton COOKED him and dropped like 40. Imagine what prime Stockton would do to him.
His ego gets the best of him😅
That Bird analogy I get but imagine if Bird attempted 3s like they do today. As good as a shooter as he was he didn’t really shoot 3s like they do today. And the fact that a guy like MJ was as great as he was without AAU, the training today’s players get, the nutrition and enhancements, and so on says a lot. 🤷♂️
That's the thing, I'm not saying everybody during 80's 90's and early 2000's but if you gave most of those guys, especially the Allstars the AAU exposure, the training, nutrition, shoes, these guys have they'd definitely be able to compete in today's Era. But that's rarely if ever talked about.
Shannon, when you make comparisons of past generations to now, talk about the rule changes as well. There is a reason why guys today have higher shooting percentages collectively over legendary HOFs from the past.
So you think Stockton can do what Curry doing if da rules were changed, even if you put those guys from da 90's in da gym by themselves they still couldn't do what these guys doing, it's more skilled!!!
@@orlandohenderson2185 Question; Have ever seen John Stockton play live or lived during that time to understand how basketball was played then? Bringing up Steph is ridiculous. It is two different eras with different sets of rules. Two completely different players. As phenomenonal as Steph is, if you put him in that era where he would get hit every game coming off those screens or going to the basket, his shooting percentage would be lower. I'm not saying he would be a scrub, I'm saying his shooting percentage would simply be lower. He would get touched up nightly. Look what Bruce Bowen did to the great Steve Nash in the playoffs in the early 2000s. I'm not saying Nash is Curry but there games are similar. Back to Stockton, touch fouls did not exist much back then. Flagrant fouls today were regular fouls back in the 90s. When you went to the basket you had big 4s and 5s waiting for you and they did not look like Chet Holmgren. No disrespect to him. You got clobbered. Go through that for 82 games and it will wear you down. Modern players don't have to go through it.
I can give you a basic example. Put aside Stockton and Curry. You personally could be a decent basketball player. I play you one-on-one in 10 games. 5 of those games I am allowed to physically hit you and the others I can't touch you. Wouldn't you say in the games that I could hit you, your chances of scoring would decrease? You might beat me all 10 games but your shooting percentage would be lower in the games that I could hit you. Isn't that fair to say?
Two different eras. All across the board, shooting percentages and scoring are way up. Not just Curry and LeBron. There are role players today averaging 20ppg. Do you know how hard it was to average 20ppg in decades past? Chris Webber, KG, Pippen averaged that in their primes. When teams are scoring 130pts you know something is up. Before you take a slight at Stockton, do your homework. He did not look it with the 1970s haircut and short shorts, but he was a beast. He set hard screens to weaken his opponents, destroyed you on the fast break, wore you out defensively, a master of the pick and roll, and ball movement. Gary Payton Sr. said Stockton was his hardest assignment and I believe him.
I think Respect has to go both ways the younger guys also disrespects the older guys.
What gets me is people get mad and say it wasn't a true bulls documentary it was a jordan doc....but then when the pippen situation when he didn't go in during the year jordan was out is mentioned, those same people say why did that have to be in the documentary if it was a Jordan documentary lol. Its mentioned because it is a bulls documentary even when jordan was not there they told what was happening with the team. Good and bad
Kukoc was a better clutch shooter than Pippen, tons of proof of that.
You sound crazy saying Jordan ain't have the power 😂😂😂😂 Jordan save the NBA
Right...Sharpe has always been ignorant on this...MJ literally globalized the NBA
Did Gilbert Arenas just compare himself to Isiah Thomas from the Bad Boy Pistons?? Gily....you got to win. Smh
Stop this nonsense LeBron not even top 5 pick find the weakest defender on the court then drive c'mon Shannon stop this bull jive lol
it's not even weakest defender, no one is allowed to play physical against lebron
@@chousan1024 it's all off it man ain't no defense u can play till u 45 know no contact be in shape and run up and down the court that's it period fake stats it's NBA a sitcom period
I’ve never seen Jordan talk bad about any of his teammates ever even when they bash him 🤷🏿♂️
Because he the goat! The greatest doesn't need to! His haters will do the talking even if it's within his circle of teamates
@@keikun145 I agree
Shannon Sharpe doesn’t know a thing about basketball, and I can’t believe Gilbert Arenas was trying to imply that he was a better PG than Isaiah Thomas
That's not what he was implying.....he was saying it's different and it's change....people don't wanna see change they wanna see if u can do what that person did people wanna see that
Y’all like purposely miss points just to make yall statements valid 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@AnthologistM at the 12:49 mark, Gilbert Arenas said no disrespect, but I was taller, faster, stronger, and more dangerous than Isaiah. So yes, Gilbert is implying that he was a better and more skilled player than Isaiah Thomas, which is crazy!
@@mauriceervin6055 what point did I miss? Please enlighten me
@@countbuffalo6654 the fact that humans evolve ?? He even said no disrespect to Thomas but he’s way more physically gifted
I'm a fan of 90s sports and I give the guys today credit for what they do well and what they do better than previous generations. I also realize that there have been rule changes to intentionally sculpt the NBA landscape to be more offensive and higher scoring. Joe Dumars has recently said that they are investigating whether the rules need to be scaled back in order to bring more balance back to the game.
"I had fish that I caught on the bank that's done less flopping than this"
Brilliant - thanks Unc.
MJ saying that’s the last time he’s giving Luke a compliment is funny 😂
Pippen is acting like a scorned lover. He needs to get his head on straight. I don’t understand his beef, on The Last Dance MJ gave them nothing but love.
Why does Gilbert act like the Pistons were not committing flagrant 2 fouls (along with clotheslining and body slamming)? I don't believe anything he says. He keeps trying to soften it like flagrant 1 fouls are not illegal...smh. By his logic, let's go ahead and remove flagrant fouls 🙄
Scottie was a 6’9 Lebron before Lebron. And the first point forward ever AND could also shoot threes. He was also the best defender ever.
No Scottie, no Jordan rings.
The facts.
@@truthhurts837 shoot 3s 🤭. Can u tell us his 3pt %?
@@Poetryinnonmotionlol 32.6% (league avg back then) during the second 3peat Scottie avg 36% from 3 lol better then Jordan…
@@PoetryinnonmotionJordan also avg 32.7% from 3 for his career…. lol the same thing as Scottie, so I guess Scottie and mj can’t shoot🤷🏽♂️ u don’t know basketball bro
@@xoHaj wtf are u talking about? I wasn't the one that brought up threes or mj?? U said Pippen could shoot threes, that's not true
"My bank account says everything is A-Ok!" is probably what the All-Stars are thinking as they are raking in those record low ratings lol
We already know that Pippen knows up MJ Is the Goat and the only reason he started trying to go with Lebron was because he was mad at MJ!
The crazy thing is that MJ never said Scotty wasn’t great or that he didn’t need him. I watched their careers, loved the 90s NBA, watched the documentary and the thought NEVER crossed my mind that Scotty and the others weren’t important or good. I always knew Scotty was one of the best, too. How did I know that and why did I think that if MJ said the opposite, since I’m an MJ fan?
It’s because he didn’t. What he claimed in the documentary, and what I could sense in the 90s, is that MJ was the source of the maniacal motivation/drive. What is controversial about that? Nothing. 99.9% of people don’t have that, and there are plenty of drawbacks to it when someone does have it, which is something many people including Scotty and others have been willing to talk about freely withoutMJ crying about it. That’s bc it’s true. MJ fans know that. Human beings know the people right around uber- achievers suffer AND benefit. It’s a nothing burger.
There's no winning for Scottie so I'd agree he just needs to move on. However I completely disagree with it being a nothing-burger. There's a reason why one of the most successful teams in sports history won't even speak with each other and I'll never buy that it was because Jordan was "mean". We're talking about professionals, every single one of those guys were driven and competitive. In my opinion Jordan is an egomaniac who has no interest in anything other than perserving a legacy. It's portrayed perfectly with how he treats the media. You critique him, and he'll never speak to you again. You think he does that because he's really that competitive? lol or could it be his way of controlling the narrative? Just think about it, how can you achieve the heights of basketball media without having access to Michael? Therefore you're forced to never critique the man. Personally the same kind of energy was prevalent throughout the entire documentary. Yeah he never said he didn't need them, that'd be too controversial. Instead he makes blakent statements but never specifically describes how his teammates supported him and made him better. There's never any true love, and it ultimately ends with how he made them better.
@@jacetiller3156 The Last Dance describes the importance of Longley, and how he helped the team win. And if I recall correctly, also the shooters like Kerr and Paxson.
But MJ joined the Bulls years before the others, and the narrative is, MJ made the Bulls a winning team over years of building. So, the teammates literally weren't with the team yet, to support MJ in the 80's. MJ's and Pippen's defense, for instance, is in many aspects identical, which could be a sign, that the narrative is true.
Today’s athletes are not more skilled or athletic. World record 100m set in 2009 for men and 1988 for women. High jump world record set in 1993 for men and 1987 for women. Mid range field goal % worse than 20 years ago. Players today prioritize different skills but are not “better”
"You and yo goggles can get outta here" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This clip being exactly 23 minutes long is hilarious
Rule changes does not equal evolution.
Hmm. Rule-changes require the players and teams to adapt. Which pretty much equals evolution?
The fact Pippen still can't admit he was wrong for refusing to go in the game 30 years later tells you everything you need to know about him.
I wonder what's with Arenas constantly trying to make it an old school vs new school thing? Just appreciate both.
Everybody is missing it... The issue isn't MJ the player, it's MJ's personality. Pippen has the right to respond to "The Last Dance," but unfortunately, he's responding like a hurt teenager instead of a mature adult. MJ got the world fooled with that "competitive nature" narrative; I think it's more like an "obsession" with a touch of narcissism. MJ interviews & speeches be having many awkward/cringe moments that he gets a pass for assuming because of his status. Pippen on the other hand seems to be mentally checked out & exhausted... Larsa dragged him, MJ dragged him & his son is one play away from getting demoted to the G~League.
Got the world fooled? Not sure you know what you are saying. His own peers have spoked on that issue. Magic has, kobe has, ewing has. Mj wants to win. Thats his business. Be even spoke on the issue of competing with his brother growing up. If you dont want to play that way, dont play that way. The only one that dragged pippen, was larsa and himself. Pippen just needs to stfu and enjoy his success.
@@malnorfleet4925 ~ You missed the point, try again, I'll wait.
@@karegairegi9071 seems you need to try again. You are the one making unqualified diagnosis on folk you dont know or ever me, but speaking like his mental provider. Its called being a hypocrite
@@malnorfleet4925 ~ You're entitled to your opinion lmao!
@@karegairegi9071 i know, thanks
Scottie was trying to sell his book.
Arenas made an excellent point at the end-"They're not selling you Basketball, they're selling you *Entertainment"* 🎯
10:14 I disagree with you 😂 these power forwards or centers ain’t stronger than the ones from back in the days
Shannon's upset that Scottie is saying that MJ is the GOAT again. He thought he had a friend. 😂
Exactly
So, if you started scoring as a point guard, Gilbert... What are we to say about Oscar Robertson averaging 30 points a game and a triple double in the 60s. What are we to call Tiny Archibald leading the league in scoring and in assists in the 70s...? Penny Hardaway in the 90s...
Hardaway was a shooting gaurd🙄
@@erichvonmanstein6876 No... He was not.
I have respect for Horace Grant he played 17 years in the real NBA
4 NBA Championships
Jordan/Pippen are the greatest duo ever. They are the only Bulls players with all 6 rings and they did it with completely different players. They won with Hodges,Paxon and Armstrong. They replaced those sharp shooters with Steve Kerr and still won. They won with Cartwright at center and they won with Longley at the center spot. They won with Grant, then they won with Rodman. That's right they won with a bunch of replaceable role players. Jordan was the undisputed leader and that makes him the Goat, nobody else won as much with so many different players while ALWAYS leading the way.
Out of those players, only Cartwright and Longley were perhaps replaceable. But even they overdid themselves vastly.
Hodges, Paxson, Armstrong and Kerr were the league's absolute best pure shooters. And they could do more on top of that. While Grant was said to be the most important defender of the 1st three-peat. And Rodman stopped Shaq, among others, during the 2nd three-peat.
Jordan and Pippen would never call any of those replaceable.
@@penkima4923 Why didn't any of those players win all 6 rings like Jordan and Pippen? Because they were replaced, duh
@@Cdub177 What you mean replaced, LoL? Rodman literally beat Jordan and Pippen to win rings as a Piston. He joined only for the 2nd three-peat. And Horace Grant as a Magic, eliminated Jordan and Pippen, so they only have 6 rings.
@@penkima4923 Rodman was swept by the Bulls, lol. Rodman Grant and all the other players were REPLACED. If they weren't replaced they would have all 6 rings like Jordan and Pippen, you must be on the slow side
@@Cdub177 Rodman eliminated the Bulls twice, and lost only once. When the Bulls shot 60 more free throws. And the Bulls still wanted Rodman on their team, because players like Rodman cannot be replaced. I just told you that Rodman left the Bulls when Jordan and Pippen left the Bulls. Why would you talk, if you don't know?
Pip’s brain is in a blender. Man has been through way more than anybody should have to go through in their life. He’s a shining example of why mental health awareness is essential, honestly.
The reason The documentary showed Pippen not going into the game was because Last Dance was about the entire team not just Jordan. Scottie pulled that during a playoff game and if you followed sports back then everyone knew.
EXCUSE ME, Then Coach Mark Jackson not only saved Wardell Stephen Curry II job on the Golden State Warriors basketball because the owner and then GM Bob Myers was going to trade Wardell Stephen Curry II, and then Coach Mark Jackson convinced them to let him help and teach Wardell Stephen Curry II how to take advantage of his quick release, and at the same time the Golden State Warriors drafted Harrison Barnes so therefore, then Coach Mark Jackson created the in-and-out shooting from the 3point line CHANGING how the NBA Game is PLAYED today, and he allowed Wardell Stephen Curry II to run with his creativity and ESPN helped Wardell Stephen Curry II own how then Mark Jackson CHANGED how the NBA Game is Played today, and Wardell Stephen Curry II father Wardell Stephen Curry Sr a/k/a Dell Curry was mostly a sixth man with no fan base and not remember able by fans!
Until recently nobody ever had anything bad to say about Pippen. Pippen has always received the respect and recognition he deserved. We love Pippen, he wasn’t second fiddle to MJ and we never looked at him that way. They were Superman and Batman not Batman and Robin. Pippen tripping.
Scottie and most of his teammates were defamed inthe documentary The Last Dance and they have the right to defend themselves
Scottie moved on from his ex-wife, y’all talking bout that like y’all don’t have exes and have moved on
Cut it out
Scottie is enjoying his life as a millionaire and international superstar till this day
Krause said MJ never asked for a player or “help”. But you are right, he didn’t even have enough pull to keep Phil.
I'm going to tell you where Scotty messed up before he started tearing down Michael Jordan and doing all of that complaining everyone held him in high regard even though they may have talked about Michael Jordan if he had remained humble and just said Hey I played the best I could and gave the game the best I had no one would have any problem with Scottie Pippin Scottie Pippin has brought this on himself by taking everything too personally he should have just smiled and went with the flow After the Michael Jordan bulls documentary came out people People used to think very highly of him now no one does
The one thing which to me, is the most important difference between then and now, is the lack of 1 on 1, end to end defense. Now is primarily offensive flash with almost no defense
Scottie Pippen averaged 15.0 points, 6.4 rebounds and 5.2 assists in 464 games without Michael Jordan in his career.
Luc Longley averaged 7.2 points, 4.9 rebounds and 1.5 assists in 567 games in his career
Horace Grant averaged 11.0 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 641 games without Michael Jordan in his career
Thanks to MICHAEL we know something about you.
END.
“People shouldn’t speak the name Michael Jordan without mentioning the name Scottie Pippen.”
That is a DIRECT QUOTE from MJ himself that was included in The Last Dance. Scottie needs therapy.
“Wife needing The Jordan Brand”
Is wild!!! 😂😂😂
MJ just be chilling minding his own business let him live
What y’all still fail to realize is that the Last Dance documentary wasn’t just about MJ. It was also about the team as a whole and what that team accomplished. Of course MJ was going to be the main part of it but the documentary was more than just MJ. They didn’t have time to tell EVERYONE’S story in depth, the documentary would have probably been 100 hours long. They did put some of the players stories in there though not just MJ’s. But that’s why what Pippen did by refusing to go back into the game was brought up in the documentary. That moment was apart of “The Last Dance” and that’s what Shannon fails to realize.
Oh Shanon realises it, he’s just saying things to discredit MJ so he can prop up his goat whom he refuses to talk about the peds
Oh Shanon realises it, he’s just saying things to discredit MJ so he can prop up his goat whom he refuses to talk about the peds
Gilbert Arenas nailed it. As great a player as Pippen was he was not a finisher
As a fan, the ‘90s was peak basketball. Current basketball is at a trough. The players might be bigger and stronger (they’re not), but the NBA sucks as a product right now.
John Stockton was in his late 30s. I would hope you go blow by him.
It was NOT a Jordan documentary! It was the '98 Chicago Bulls documentary! MJ was a large focal point because he was the best player on the team and in the league...but the doc was not about MJ. It was about the Bulls!
It doesn't matter if MJ was there or not...Pipp was the one who abandoned the team, not MJ...
MJ brought the Bulls 6 chips, he has a right to speak on current, present, and former players in any and all capacities....
Many have a blind spot about Scottie Pippen. No one ever thinks to have empathy about Scottie's lack of social graces. He wasn't brought up to face the unfamiliar world of fame, scrutiny, criticism and aggrandizement . He's basically a country boy that happened to have one talent. It's sort of like being a prodigious savant; you can only do one thing extremely well, while the other most basic human skills go unrefined. With Scottie the thing for us to do is forgive. Michael's silence is his way to forgive.
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Evolution does not always mean better towards the goal (winning); it can mean more advanced in certain areas towards other goals (like entertainment).
1. Ralph Sampson was better than Victor W.
2. There are no post players in this era, thus, the strategy was weakened.
3. Players have lost team concepts.
There was an uproar when Pippen did that. the difference is social media wasn't around then.
What I’ve seen is pippen never said mj was not the goat , people just ran with the story when he said “statistically “ LBJ will be the greatest player . But he always said MJ is the best and no situation would change that and there was no game he would pick LBJ over MJ . People aren’t reading or listening to most of the talk .
There was a huge uproar about Pippen not entering the game, young grasshopper, I mean, young Gilbert Arenas…… I remember it clearly. I don’t know why Shannon doesn’t.
They so fed up with the situation they did a 23 minute segment on it.
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