How to Tell If You're Buying a High Quality Watch
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2023
- Throwing you 10 signs that your watch is high quality! Know how to tell if your existing watch collection is solid or better yet, learn these tips and tricks so your NEXT watch purchase is a great investment!
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Tom- "Expensive does not mean good quality" *shows a Hublot*
Hublot is so hated
@@buymac well deserved...........
With unaligned screws
Six months ago I was at a shopping center in south London. I parked in a well lit area and thought I was safe. I left a Hublot in the passenger seat. I was only gone a few minutes, and a criminal smashed my window and left two more.
😂
“Expensive doesn’t mean quality”
*Hublot enters the shot* 😂
If it says Credor or Grand Seiko on the dial, you know it's well made. 😏
Sure fire sign that a watch is good quality - It says "A Lange & Sohne" on it (in German).
There's an amazing shot you guys took of a Grand Seiko where the minute hand is at 2 o'clock and the second hand approaches and you can see the reflection of the logo in the reflection of the second hand. In the reflection of the *underside* of the second hand. That is quality at absurd levels, the hands are mirror finished and so is the underside.
PLEASE use that shot more often. Actually, just put it in every video, that'll be good
9:56 I just typed in the time stamp in my comment so everyone can go there quickly.
@@richardnedbalek1968 he's talking about a different video mate. I remember the shot vividly, but can't remember which video it was. I think the watch was a SBGY003. Cheers
Interesting that Breitling didn't bother to finish the underside of the second hand at 8:51. Probably just a minor detail though.
Breitling is already "Pricy Luxury for less quality"!! Thanks to Boy George Kern🥴
Usually done for to reduce friction between the handset and movement. You’d be surprised how many brands do it.
Doesn’t bother me in the slightest though
With regards to weight, I was surprised to learn that was a thing so many people used to gauge watches and why they had issues with titanium as a result. Way before I got into watches, I collected pocket knives and titanium and other resilient but lightweight metals were highly desired in handles/scales. Titanium especially came a premium at the time.
Related, I once assured watch newbie online who was hesitant about getting a G-Shock because they didn't know if lightweight resin could be durable and used in a well constructed watch. Sharing a video of a G-Shock being run over by a truck and still working seemed to do the trick
Indeed, they are as robust as Vostok Amphibias or old Rolex submariners and shrug off such treatment with a few scratches.
This whole time I thought Tom had never touched a watch, now come to find out he has fondled ever watch since the early 2000s!
I love that the Sugess had the hand pinion capped and the Lange had the second hand pinion open. 😂
Agreed 😂. Goes to show it's all preference at days end
Like my old granddad used to say, "If something feels hollow and rattle-y, it's probably hollow and rattle-y." Thanks fellers!
Being able to actually open the back without breaking the watch is usually a good start, otherwise the producer clearly states that their product is designed to be disposable.
Then again, there is no brand that'd ever think so little of both their own creation and their paying customers...
You guys knew we'd disagree with that thumbnail 🤣
Nice video, and learned a lot
Good point about titanium. There are excellent watches out of titanium that make for an easy daily wear due to their lightness, preferred over steel by those who know.
I expected dent resistance to be one characteristic of titanium, but one day I found a fairly large dent in my titanium Girard Perregaux and I don't even recall hitting the watch hard on anything. I sold it after that. It seemed to scratch and dent just like any steel watch. Also, titanium doesn't look expensive. It looks like cheap metal.
@ImperrfectStranger it's all personal opinion. If you ask a cyclist or an engineer, titanium looks like a very expensive metal. Because we know it IS very expensive raw material and very difficult to work with. I see titanium, I think expensive. Titanium is not a hard metal though, so yeah it can scratch and dent.
@@mitchellsteindler Knowing something is expensive doesn't make them look expensive. As an aircraft maintenance engineer (not designer), I looked at titanium parts every day. e.g. engine exhaust nozzles. They didn't "look" particularly expensive because they were stained with soot and discoloured with heat. The titanium panels were relatively thin, so I expected them to deform with poor handling, but not a solid watch case.
@@mitchellsteindler lol yep, cyclists, engineers and the like. I also prefer the understated nature of brushed titanium over anything polished.
@@ImperrfectStranger like I said... opinions
Please send link on the video where the "diminishing returns" concept is talked about.
Great video idea !!!
Agree with all the points, especially the feel on winding a watch.
Winding a seiko 5, goes almost too smoothly, little resistance, slightly scratchy tactile feedback
A Nomos has resistance but still quite rough, almost feels like it needs a service even when new
A JLC reverso, sublime, beautifully smooth, you can feel it getting tighter, every click of the lever spring is audible as well as crisply palpable, does take a 13:38 13:38 good few full turns of the crown to get it going
A Richard Lange. Literally not a turn but a single click of the lever spring and the watch starts. The precision of the engineering is mind blowing.
I actually really like how a Seiko 5 feels. Yeah it's not gonna be at the level of the others you mentioned, but I keep trying out sub-1000 watches and even some luxury brands that just don't feel nearly as good to wind.
The way it holds up over time in its functioning and appearance.
I thought i was just being OC, but it's great you guys mentioned that pinion cap. I often look for that cap when comparing between two or more watches in the same price range and actually make buying decisions based on this (among other things of course). The hands just look that much neater and elegant with that cap on there. Thanks for talking about it. 🥰
I like caps on the hole in the middle, too. Especially on the watches with small seconds. However, I have three watches with the same movement, of which the oldest one, hailing from the 1980s, has by far the best finish on the movement, while the newer ones, both from around 2020, are fine but one can tell that the movements haven't been finished as exquisitely as almost 40 years ago. But the new watches have caps on the central axis of the hands and the old one doesn't. There goes Your theory, for these watches anyway.
@@JochenVogel cant argue with that 😅
Aesthetically pinion caps just look more pleasing, in any price point. 😄
The watches they show do not have caps on the pinions. The shiny bit you see is the rounded and polished end of the pinion itself.
@@donotreadthis26 i get that. If i have to be more specific i am talking about grand seiko models- where some models will have pinion caps and some do not.
If there's a lot of play in the keyless works. If you switch from moving the hands forward to moving the hands back, and it takes a quarter turn of the crown for the hands to reverse direction you probably have a cheaper movement.
The markers line up, the colors don't bleed into each other, sapphire crystal with AR coating, solid end links, solid links, if see-thru crystal Sapphire on both sides, cyclops lines up, crisp bezel action, good lum., milled clasp with more than three micro adjusts or good quality leather or sailcloth strap ... if NATO then grommets or sealed holes.
Now all the above said there are many mid-tier to end watches that fail one or some of these.
Compare the under side of the second hand on the Breitling Navitimer vs Grand Seiko Spring drive.
You are right on all accounts. I personally do my research research and research. Just like with anything you HAVE to do your research. But nothing can replace the actual touch feel and personal interaction with the watch. If you can you have to strap that watch on your wrist and see and feel it. You may love it on your wrist or you may absolutely hate it.
i have a 350€ watch with a capped second hand on right now. It really does elevate the watch 😊
If the lug snaps off the case when you're removing a springbar that's an indication that some corners have been cut
I
Mean you broke the corners
Can you please do a video on the Lange 1815 Up/Down? Pretty please?
For me, any swiss made watch with perpetual calendar chronograph in the title is an awesome watch.
I think there should be several videos on this topic. As in a hundred dollar watch versus a thousand dollar watch. A thousand dollar watch vs a $10,000 watch. A $10,000 watch to versus a $100,000 watch. What should you expect moving from one level to the next. If the crown on a Tag Heuer feels like the crown on an entry level seiko, something is wrong.
Im just learning about watches by watching your channel for about a year now. I just bought my first "real" introduction watch - a black 1950s LeCoultre galaxy with the ridged mystery dial a few days ago. Took a while to find bc I really wanted black and with the ridged dial. Ive been looking to see if you mentioned this watch. I like the history of this watch and its only collaboration with Vacheron Constantin and also that its small (VERY SMALL), oddly subtle, and just a beautiful little watch...i wonder why it never maintained its popularity.1957
I bought a G Shock XD
@@betochiwas i know thats a popular one but i like small and minimal watches. But also, the one i got was a life long dream of getting a nice watch with precious metals and also mechanical. I was sweating bullets buying it lol, but after i left, it was worth it! now she's off to switzerland to the LeCoultre repair to be authenticated and serviced since its 70 years old. So, hoping no parts need to be made lol as this isnt exactly cheap to get to original and certified authentic.
A very interesting topic to discuss, as the general definition of “Quality” is fitness for purpose. No one would deny that an A Lange & Sohne is a totally awesome watch (as is a lot of other expensive brands) but the word quality is difficult to give meaning. A $100 dollar watch can certainly be a quality watch, when considering fitness for purpose and the relative cost for it. I think, an unfair bias would be introduced if a watch was $100,000 dollars is a thousand times more quality than its $100 dollar counterpart, the mats does not make sense. Like everyone else on your channel, I believe that expensive watch makers go to extraordinary lengths to make their products as perfect as is humanly possible, as this is fully appreciated in the end product.
Interesting that you mention good quality materials vs the kind which damages your skin. That describes the 42mm Seamaster perfectly. A workhorse of a watch, captivating to look at and ridiculously well made, except for the bracelet being like razor blades on your skin and making you feel like Mr T under the weight of it all.
Ditto for the Speedy.
I’ve owned two 42mm Seamasters. One from 2020 and just re bought another a couple months ago since I regretted selling my first. I can tell you that the sharp edge of the bracelet is no longer there. You feel the difference and if you take the watch off and look in the light you can see they broke the sharp edge from the factory. The SMP wears very comfortably now.
@@MrMatt1923 Thanks Matt, that’s music to my ears. I bought one around the same time and sold it six months later simply because of the bracelet. I also found the blue dial a bit too aquatic (maybe because of the AR coating). I’ve got my eye on the black dial at the mo but just praying that Omega tapers the bracelet this year 🤞🤞🤞
@@kevinl6231 bought a new speedy exactly one year ago and there‘s no sharp edge anywhere! Think they probably fixed the problem of early watches.
I hadn’t almost 30 watches but my every day work watch is a titanium flieger by Zeno. It was pre owned and cheap has a 6498 that beats at 18000. Wish it had center seconds with hacking but o well.
Yes My Invicta pro diver is a quality watch, It feels real good!
I want a Grand Seiko so bad because of you guys.
Is a zenith 2nd hand zenith good value ?
The quality I look for is stuff that goes to comfort like adjustable clasps, comfortable bracelets, lots of fine adjusts, and the ability to keep working year after year. The quality of the polishing is a don't care issue for me. Also wasn't your thumbnail one of the Moonswatches? Did I miss where you talked about that?
Tom Unleashed! Go Tom great job, you are ready for your own show: "Tom's Timepieces"
I've noticed a detail in many high end watches shown in these macro shots that I just can't seem to ignore and I think it's these little details that really show you what you're wearing on your wrist. So many great names only finish the top of the seconds/chronometer hand. This is especially frustrating when you see the gross unfinished bottom on the hand in these macro shots. There are very few brands that I've seen really pay attention to the finish on the hands of their flagship models. I realize this is a pedantic thing but once you see it you can't unsee it and you just know it's there.
How are you seeing the UNDERside of a watched hands???
good stuff
In the next 10 years i hope to get the below 5 watches:
- Rolex Datejust - Because my dad had 1 and I want to get a similar one.
- Rolex Submariner - Because why not?
- Tudor Blackbay 58 - Because it's a beautiful watch, but why is it out of stock now?
- Breitling Navitimer - Because it's a piece of history. But I don't know what size to get, probably smaller than 42.
- A. Lange & Sohne Lange 1 - Because it is the most amazing watch in the world and there's nothing like it in the world.
Have to get them by financing over 2 years each, so total 10 years. But the Rolexes are a headache for me. Because it takes so long for delivery. which means I may have to get them last, hopefully with time, their availability will become better.
Sounds. Typically the he knock offs sound wrong when you shake them. The steel in the bracelets sound different. If they are too loose. Also if you practice listening to the movements you can tell cheap from quality too. 😊
Though I am not really fan of luxury watches , I like your videos, you can look for everyday watches, like brands of Titan and Timex , which won't punch a hole in one's pocket .
Other brands: Citizen,Sonata,Fastrack,Jaipur
Nice video
When you take it out of the box the first time, you just think wow! There's so much the video can't do it justice.
Would be curious to see your review of an Orient automatic watch
The underside of the Breitling second hand reflected in the hour hand at 9:32 looks shocking. Compare with the Grand Seiko immediately following.
"Have you ever seen that the pinion...has a little hole in it? Have you noticed that?"
"SURE! YEAHYEAHYEAH!" 😂
I hate that bubble over the date, and have no use for a outer circle with big numbers on it, especially when diving. That highly polished case in titanium is amazing. Printed or sprayed on parts with a low DPI is a turn off for me, especially in a lume. Those dials with seconds split up into fourths and a second hand sweeping them precisely is nice, and misaligned hands is a turn off. Titanium strap instead of stainless steel that irritates my skin and wears out in 10-20 years says something.
Question: since many high end watch manufacturers outsourced many aspects of component manufacturing to places such as China - in order to increase their profit margin - are the chickens now coming back to roost when the Chinese take what they learned and apply it to MUCH less expensive watches with things such as the complications you mentioned?
I ask because it seems to me that not very long ago 'complications' were a way to judge whether a watch was quality?
Yes.
But there's a catch. Chinese factories now know how to make a tourbillon. They will have to find out for themselves how to design a good one
Happy Australia to you guys in Pommagalia and elsewhere around the world🤪 👍🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲
Lovely
Personally I agree with the weight thing. I used to wear a Fossil chronograph watch before in preschool, but wearing that compared to wearing a Date just now makes me feel like I have a rock on my wrist compared to how light my date just is.
I can tell the watch is quality when the parts are repeatable and mass produced. Same scenario for Seiko, they do have affordable automatic watches. It's 100% sure that the finishing, movements are fined tuned to standards.
For some reason IWC seem to be way ahead with MAR coatings.
I bought a $425 watch, worried it wouldn't be quality. The case is solid and well made, the applied indices are orderly, the sapphire is clear and flat, the dial color is even in tone, the bezel action fine, and the little myota engine is accurate. That is quality.
Curious to know Which brand it is
High durable expensive materials like rhodium, tungsten, platinum, titanium, carbon fiber, white gold, oystersteel, iridium for me you can't go wrong.
I would have lost money betting they would reference the quality of the lume used as one of the indicators.
Good quality very often survives time. Not always - but if a product does not need to be modified for a longer time, it is maybe because of good quality
😂 I thought he was going to say the little red stopper that pops out of the turkey.
Be Honest......... After seeing this video, How many people went to check if there's a little whole in any of their watch collection ? 😅🤣😅
I did lol
@@furonwarrior only one admitting so far then 🫢
I think you can just 'feel' the quality on seem pieces, just run your finger over it and the touch is just right.
My tip is watch Watchfinder
the hublot has those screws in the bezel. i think it looks bad.
price
What can you say about YT part 2, Sharon Cuneta Rolex Datejust Royalty in her Vblog. one of a kind in the world.
If Andrew and Tom are in agreement, I usually check my credit card balance.
We call it piano finish in the car industry
“Is it heavy?”
“Yeah?”
“Then it’s expensive, put it down”
Great Jurassic Park reference 👌
Usually if it says "Hublot" or "Mattel" on the dial it's usually shite. Anything else would probably be better.
My Frederique has a small pinion cap, but my Moser doesn't, interesting...
You could start with comparing it to the moon swatch and comparing it on a scale of how much better it is than that watch… It doesn’t mean it’s well-made but it probably means it’s not junk.
I got a MoonSwatch from usa just by the pictures and hype and after getting it into the hand i was out rightly disappointed with the quality from the first touch itself
Does the logo on the Crown sit level 1:22
It’s not meant to. Though sometimes you can get extra lucky to find the crown lines up perfectly ‘straight-up’ relative to the case side but it’s not deliberately designed to. And often doesn’t.
@@KeepingWatchUK sure I get that, but perhaps it should, you know, to display high quality and all. Especially in what appears to be stock advertising material, they should of found one that lined up
"Off the rack tourbillon....." - much as I love you guys, a burst of snobbery did shoot through there loud and clear!! Kinda 'How dare they produce a cheap (and yes, lower quality - we all agree on that) tourbillon?!!!'
Can you buy it at retail? That tells me a watchmaker is into watchmaking and not marketing.
hold it to your ear and listen
Hi Tom & Andrew. One point of clarification. Zaratsu polishing and "black polishing" are two different processes. Only the latter creates a surface that appears true black at certain angles. Cheers!
one huge aspect of "quality" that is not mentioned here is.... how hard is it to get it repaired? A watch of good quality should not be hard to find a place to get it worked on and brought back to factory new condition
Nah
Many of us have kids that want to participate in our watch obsession but I for one don't want to put a $200 Seiko on the wrist of a kid who plays in a sandbox. Can you do a list of best watches for enthusiast's kids?
Flik flak are awesome (yes '90s kid here)
The F91W would most certainly be on that list.
How bout a Casio from the LRW-200H series? It's priced at around 30 bucks, has 100m water resistance etc..
Get him a g-shock.
A g shock!
🔥🔥🔥
When are you doing you video with nico!
Some collectors: I hate light watches they are cheap!
Same collectors: Titanium watches are my favorite!
Zaratsu polishing is apparently just the way the Japanese watchmakers pronounced the sallaz polishing machine they bought 😂
Lol
a better title would have been 10 things that doesnt mean a watch is good quality
Research reviews of reliable sources.
I hate the pinion hole. That is a detail that should not be left out
It's actually quite easy.
Buy a MoonSwatch. Then you know everything about low quality watches
4:34 if the manufacturer capped the hole in tge hand that’s a good sign of quality…. 7:20 showing a Chinese made Sugess watch with tourbillon, and capped hole, but low quality…
1:35 “Actually going full Stevie Wonder on it….” Come on guys! 🤨
easiest way is to see if andrew and tom approve..👍😏
No one ever mentions that the Speedmaster bezel is friction fit on the hesalite, loves to fall off over time, and always gets caught on the edge of drawers.
You must be a very accident prone person if you are routinely catching your watch bezel on the edge of a drawer. I've never done it. Rolex fan boy perhaps?
@@garyboyle695 nah i just have the Speedmaster. The chronograph is as accurate as a digital stopwatch (my car doesn't have a working speedometer so it's super handy), and it looks cool for sure, the sapphire back and gold accents in the movement are nice. But that damned bezel, I've had to go searching for it after knocking it off several times and Omega wants $750 to replace the thing. I've seen where people have knocked it off and cracked the hesalite in the process. I really want a TH Monaco next, not having the date on the Omega isn't a big deal but it'd be nice.
You said wibley wobley, but forgot timey wimey !!!!!
I dont have any hole on my Grand Seikos, quartz or hibeat…
Zaratsu finish is a scratch magnet though. Their titanium cases are nice
@@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu yes, but so nice, my hibeat is titanium and it is still 98% after several years, true that steel is worse, but i have steel quartz as a daily driver
i ordered a $2 watch on aliexpress no way a $9000 would be 4500 times as good
If its not made of "Bio Ceramic"
If there isn’t a Giant Unicorn covering the open case back then the watch is shite.
PLEASE do an investigation in to Phantasos watch. I have not received my watch which I purchased after viewing your video. They are playing silly buggers with their website and no replies after attempting to contact them. I also read on Time and Tide page that this is also an issue their readers have had. So please do the needful and assist given your promotion of this brand! Thanks !
For me it's simple, if it has the word "Indiglo" on it, it's a good watch. If not, it's useless to me.
My 12 pound cast iron watch has never let me down. Mind you I never swim with it. I imagine your Granny is very disappointed in you.
I actually dont like the capped look on the hands