"LeBron is the GOAT" - Worst takes Exposed
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2020
- Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright, and Kendrick Perkins have to be 3 of the worst "analysts" in sports media. Hope you enjoy me destroying each of their arguments as to why LeBron Jame is better than Michael Jordan.
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Kendrick not a analyst, we aint callin him that 😂😂
i think he is worse than when he was a player... at least he played ok defense back then 😂😂
Every time Kendrick Perkins says a word I lose a brain cell.
2020 Playoffs:
Anthony Davis = 28- 10- 3, FG-56%.
*35-years-old Michael Jordan didn"t have that luxury.*
1998 Playoffs:
Scotte Pippen = 17- 7- 5, FG-42%.
*JORDAN ( age 35 ) - MVP, FMVP, Scoring champion, All-Defensive First Team.*
@@allanhouston6759 lol scottie pippen was runner up for mvp the yr jordan retired. Dennis Rodman was the best rebounder in the league. Both Rodman and pippen considered top 10 defenders of all time.
@@slowmotion7478 exactly. Played on the best of team of all time. I'm not saying they need to change who they goat is. But bron has done more difficult shit. It's not an opinion.
If Nick Wright is qualified to be a basketball analyst, then I'm qualified to be an NBA center. And I'm 5'9"
😂😂😂
Don’t joke..... at that height you could actually get a go on an NBA squad with today’s small ball 😂😂
@@fatboy5926 *5"8 Isiah Thomas in the 2016/17 season: 29-ppg and Top 5 in the MVP vote.*
*6"1 Trae Young ( age 21 )= 30-ppg.* This was his second season in the league.
In the 90s, even players like Glen Rice, Allen Iverson, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin, Ray Allen, Grant Hill,
Jerry Stackhouse and Chris Webber couldn"t average 30-ppg.
In the 90s, the defense was better. MJ will be dominate in this era.
This is becoming a massive joke, we will remember years ahead going back, how media tried to elevate a player (Lebron) with awful takes but whe he retires he will go back to his appropriate rank (top 10 player). And Jordan will still be the GOAT until some other player comes with that level of excitement and bring back new fans like MJ did in his era.
@@Marlowe10100 TOP 10??? Are you stupid?
Lebron wins: He doesn't need anyone, he can take any franchise to the championship
Lebron loses: He didn't have any help, nobody can do it alone
Do those 2 statements contradict each other at all? He doesn’t have teammates like Pippen and Rodman, that’s a fact. So yes it is more impressive that he can take any franchise to the championship. And basketball is a team game, of course it is way harder to win with worse teammates.
@@chrisluders9592 He has kyrie, wade, love, bosh, ray allen, and some good role players still lost to old ballers? And he has the opportunity to pick a team and players to recruit. It's not always his teammates fault sometimes it's on him too. In the 2018 finals his teammates where the one who is shooting and hooping the basket while he the best player just pass randomly when attacking the basket. There is no excuse there.
@@chrisluders9592 so Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh are bums? Or all stars? Kevin Love and Kirie Irving are bums or all stars? AD is a top 3 all star in his prime and he's a bum? Lebron has always needed at least one player in top 5 or 2 in top 20 to help him win.
He's a stat padder in a soft no defense league. It hasn't been good basketball since the mid 2000s.
@@zilverman7820 admit it! LBJ will never be a GOAT! Watch next 2021 season if its full season if LEBRON can win! I'm sure he will use other excuse! Media hyping up LeBron coz NBA need a star! The next NBA star and possibly be CURRY or KD depending on their health!
@@gregdambrosi4528 how is he a stat padder, give me 5 reasons
Jordan never quit on his team,
End of discussion
Period.
Speaks volumes
Facts
Lol Ik he just quit and retired twice🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fax
Jason Terry says Hi LeBron!
MJ would have NEVER allowed to be outplayed by a role player. End of discussion. No Goat Debate.
Lebron lost in Olympic games by 20.
Seriously! And never would have gotten a bronze medal
Not only did Michael Jordan compete for the championship at age 35,
He was the MVP, finals MVP, Scoring leader, all-nba 1st team, Defensive 1st team.
Badass beast 🐐
So was lebron
@@boonebeasley9622 So was Lebron in which universe?
Lebron hasn't won an MVP since he won it at age 28
Lebron hasn't been in defensive 1st team since he got in at age 28.
Lebron was a scoring leader only 1 time in his entire career which was when he was age 23
The lebron fanboy club would say Yeah but he didn't play the Players of today , because the players today are so much better athletically , like all those players in NBA in the 90's were White guys who could not run and jump .
@@dangreene3895 They probably will.
Funny thing is, even if it's true, it doesn't really prove much.
So what, today's players are better so he couldn't dominate?
At least the dominate first then say he dominated better competition.
The fact that MJ's and LBJ's gap in their careers is still that of a Half of Fame career is the mind blowing
😂
Lebron isn't even the best SF of all time. Bird > Lebron
Bird was so good
Facts
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He is better than lebron and I'm blac lolll there's guys who try to exclude him because he's white where i come from it dont matter what color you are if you could ball you could ball🤷🏾♂️and larry could ball😂
KD is actually better than Lebron haha
LeBron has the most UNIQUE talent in the history on the NBA...
He has the ability to make his fans completely forget about his multiple superstar team mates
Yea, social media excuses is a priviledge older gens never had.
Wow look at this! LeBron has never played with 15+ legend players? Lol. He shouldn't be ahead of kobe or Duncan too.
HAHAHAHA HELL YEAH !! 👍
No rebuttal from any Bron fan boys?
Right because MJ never had Superstar teammates y'all starting to sound real stupid with this argument! No Pippen and Phil = no playoff wins for the so called goat, facts!!!
dude gets three rings, stops for two years, comes back gets three rings again, let that sink in
I will say thouh he probably wouldn't have won those three if he didn't lose to orlando in 95 because it sharpened his desire to win again and probably played into bringing rodman too. Lebron would've switched teams if he came out of retirement.
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 right I got the 95-96 unbeatabulls downloaded and that's exactly what Jordan and Pippen said they wanted to get better team wise so they didn't lose like that again
Not quite. Don't erase Jordan-Bulls' failure in the 1995 Playoffs. MJ's still the GOAT though, with Kareem close behind.
@@soulofamerica Yeah Not Quite…..
Number 23 was retired so if you remember correctly Number 45 made an appearance but 45 wasn’t good enough and they still lost so Jordan brought back 23. I think he brought it back in the playoffs (if I’m not mistaken), made an appearance but lost those playoff games so he brought Number 23 out of retirement the following year and then they win 3 straight titles!
The hypocrisy and contradiction for Lebron fans is through the roof.
Colin: "Lebron doesn't need a Robin. He had a small Robin, he had a big Robin, it doesn't matter. He doesn't need a Robin."
😣
He needs a Batman
It's funny because you could easily make an argument that Dwyane Wade, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis ALL out-performed Lebron's choking ass in the Finals but of course Lebron gets all the credit because "he's Lebron" so of course he gets all the credit. Hard to make the case for "goat" when your goat gets out played by his teammates in every single finals.
The media will forever be known as a dangerous group of people who manipulate the people. Jordan was the greatest and best player in the NBA when he played. You dont have to erase anything in his career. Not one thing. This guy left at his prime and came back and won 3 more titles. With 3 more FMVPs. Tell me Lebron can do that.
Lol Lebron fans will be like "BRON THE GOAT" and when you bring up facts they hit you with the passive aggressive "Lets just appreciate greatness man"
Do you guys just all gather around and circle jerk everytime Lebron wins again? What stats are there to support MJ??? There are none... unless you're talking accomplishments instead of stats. But if you were, Kareem is the Goat, not MJ.
@78mfleet no stats were given... it was accolades. And Jordan is DEFINITELY behind Kareem in accolades. Go look. If it is stats Lebron blows MJ out of the water and has for years. More rebounds more assist better shooting percentage better 3 point percentage more definishve and offensive win share more value over replacement player more clutch shots and shot them at a higher percentage more wins higher percentage against teams over .500 more triple doubles more 30 point triple doubles. Only player to lead his team in all stats (at the time he did it) and STILL the only player to lead both teams in all stats more total everything except steals... and don't let me get into playoff stats.
We all know playoff comparison of numbers isn't even fair to Jordan. Who is obviously THE SECOND BEST PLAYER TO EVER PLAY!
@78mfleet accolades.... you keep giving me accolades NOT STATS. You're reaching.
You can't keep switching back and forth.
@78mfleet stats are stats... all you have given me is accolades. NO STATS. give me something worth reading. A score first player that averaged 3 points more per game? Wow... I'm not impressed. Half a steal more per game? Okay... Ill give you that even though were comparing a guard vs a forward
1 for 3 points per game
1 for half a steal more per game.
Now what...
What about rebounds, assists, shooting percentage, 3 point percentage, clutch shots, win percentage, value over replacement player, plus minus, win shares, true shooting percentage, usage rate... where are your stats?
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You have no REAL stats - all you have is accolades and again, if you want to argue accolades, Kareem is the Goat... EASY. There is no comparison.
Lookup the real facts
These 3 clowns made my head hurt so bad with their ignorance.
Michael won at 35 actually. And was a league mvp and finals mvp
Crazy how Kendrick Perkins said Jordan wasn’t competing for championships at age 35 on ESPN when ESPN literally produced a 10-part series documenting the last season in Chicago…
Nick Wright - "LOL, MJ got swept twice by the Celtics!"
MJ - averages 40/7/6 throughout both series.
Nick Wright is a loud mouth. He and Colin Cowherd are the same, making a living off controversial takes. He's overrated.
He put stats over wins. He'd score 40 and lose
@Devo lmaoooooooo what a hater. Saying he isn't even top 5 is a joke. Your actuallyy dumb
A sweep is a sweep
@@brian6441 yeah but you just said something just as stupid😂😂😂 a guy with multiple more chips than your guy IN LESS YEARS PLAYED puts stats over wins😂😂😂 your boi just got bounced in the first round and averaged like 22 and was saying these shoulders were built to carry then proceeded to get blown off the court and play horrible in the last two games I mean seriously he was 3-10 in game 5 in the first half down 30 that game was a wrap and then went 11-26 in game 6 and was blown out from start to finish 😂😂
when the celtics swept the bulls 3x MVP Larry Bird called MJ, God disguised as MJ. i didnt hear curry or duncan say that about lebron when he got swept...
*Old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) defeated Prime Lebron James in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
MJ will never lose to old Tim Duncan and will not allow a player with an average of 12-ppg to win the FMVP award.
@@rusted8157 thats the humility and respect a goat gives and earns. if you are good, you tell people. if you are great, people tell you.
@@allanhouston6759 no context
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 nl context when Bronsexuals says Jordan couldn't beat them until they got old, well Lebron played against old Tinmy, Dirk, Manu, Parker, Terry, Kidd and still lost.
Lol🤣👍
Setting aside Jordan's raw talent, determination, ability to find ways to win, stats at what he accomplished in a shorter time frame, two gold medals, college championship, and being the pure definition of a champion, I think what he accomplished during that era is amazing. Just look at the style of play during Jordan's era versus LeBron's. Back then, the league was tougher and more physical, where defense was just as important as offense. The league today is soft, no defense whatsoever, more focus on perimeter play, no player diving for balls or posting-up and bumping elbows, and there are countless videos of players today just stepping out of the way when someone drives to the hoop. What MJ accomplished then was Babe Ruthian. And lastly, GOATs don't go around telling people how they are the greatest, other people should do that for you. No one in their right mind can argue any of this.
Thank you for mentioning Bill Russell. As soon as Cowherd said LeBron was the best foundational player of all time, I immediately thought about Bill Russell the greatest team player of all time.
two points id like to make:
1.they'll never be a song saying: i wanna be like bron!
2. and no one has ever been robbed for their lebrons💯
Super Facts!!!! 😂😂😂
100%
I heard one show(Love That Girl)talk about LeBron James shoes. The world talked(and still talks)about Jordan shoes
True but that has nothing to do with basketball when Jordan was jumping from the free throw line NOBODY was doing that now Brent Barry is jumping from the free throw line
And, The sneaker brand that still outsells everyone even he retired. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
I believe Nick Wrong has a very personal grudge against Jordan. He tries so hard to bring him down smh
probably didnt sign an autograph for him lol
His personal bias is his biggest flaw. He is a good analyst when hes not talking about MJ, Kobe or LeBron.
all of his predictions were true so u r a clown
@@jwanilpatel9909 Not talking about his predictions. I'm talking about his own dislike for MJ. So don't get the two mixed up, clown. You probably love Nick Wrong, as he's your fellow bronsexual.
@@jorgegamboa5821 he's the only one who gives the real goat the respect instead of just blindly walking behind mj's overhyped narrative of being the best player .... if u really watch the games u will know lebron is way better in everything basketball related ...3 championship with 3 teams shows u he is the only common factor....other than bulls and all the help he couldn't even get out of playoffs so save it ....ur uninformed opinion really doesn't matter . GOING TO THE FINALS AND LOSING IS BETTER THAN NOT GETTING THERE
It's funny how only the analysts think LeBron is the GOAT and better than MJ. Everyone else including past and present players say otherwise 😂. That means MJ is solidified as GOAT
This is quite possibly the best argument for Jordan I’ve ever heard! Good JOB!
Truthfully speaking, you could make a case for MJ being the GOAT without even mentioning what he did in the Finals: 11x All-NBA, 10x scoring champ, 9x All-NBA defense, led league in steals 3x(NBA record), 5 reg season MVPs, highest scoring avg for a rookie, oldest scoring champion(35), 1988 MVP, scoring champ AND DPoY, etc. I mean, dude locked the whole league for 10 damn years from 88-98. He was the best offensive AND defensive player.
Facts jordan all day
Most definitely
Collin coward: “Lebron doesn’t need a system”
Lebron James: *demands a drive and kick system everywhere he goes.....
Exactly
He needed a system when the team with a system beat him like 6 times in the finals 😅
@@rusted8157 ong man only guards guys stars like Jamal Murray and D Rose when it matters most, and they're small guards
@gerizzyYMcrew it ain’t all about stats.. he lead the league in assists one season bruh.. and Jordan in a Lebron type system before Phil got there averaged 34/8/9 too. MJ actually wants to win that’s why. He plays off-ball to make his teammates better, you are a causal if you are only gonna look at counting numbers
@@learningisgrowing I was just pointing out Collin coward saying he doesn’t need a system.
Not my arguement, I’m using his arguement against him
Colin Cowherd is wrong, Tom Brady and Jordan are the most important foundational players in American sports history in no particular order.
Great video !! Btw what’s the instrumental on this video?
Nick Wright: remove all the bad stuff in lebrons career, then hes the greatest
Which is dumb cuz if u take the 80s away from MJ then he’s way greater
@@qdontae6 the 80s ads to Jordan's scoring goat average which ads to his goat res sooooooooo........ no
@@something4434 u act like MJ was scoring 20ppg in the 90s he still was scoring ALOT only thing he didn’t achieve in the 90s is the DPOY other than that his 90s resume was damn near perfection tf
@@qdontae6 Morgan reed said remove all the bad stuff the 80s wasn't bad stuff for mj.
Lol even then, he still only has 4 rings ...
Remember this lebron came out of high school,jordan from college,,lebron has played more years than jordan.jordan took a two years break from basketball 🏀,jordan still managed better numbers.
Accomplished all that in 13 seasons
Yea bc he couldn't manage anymore seasons cuz he was old. His prime was short. You can't take that against LeBron cuz he's got longevity. That doesn't make sense
@@brian6441 What doesn't make sense is giving lebron credit for longevity when things changed. Barely anyone entered the NBA straight from high school. The norm was play 3-4 yrs of college when Jordan entered the league. And even now the rules have been changed so no one can enter the NBA at 18. All of that stuff was out of lebron's control and he had nothing to do with it. Lebron has slowed down and this obvious when you see him lolly gagging and playing no defense the last few years. This started the last 2-3 seasons. Basically 35 yrs old and on.
Jordan won the scoring title, championship, finals mvp and at age 35. He was getting older but was still the best player in the league. And even at age 40 averaged 20+ ppg while playing on a bad knee. But I digress. What ultimately matters, always matters, is a players averages. Kareem can score 38,000+ points but what was his career average? Lebron can pass MJ on overall stat #s but how many more games did it take him to pass Mike? That's what matters.
1 other point, the NBA today is soft as puppy 💩and we all know it. Lebron should be dishing out the punishment physically but rarely does. Instead he flops all over the court. I'd love to see how long his body would last going up against the late 80s Pistons and early 90s Knicks. Btw Jordan played 1,072 games. Lebron has played 1,310. Gamewise Lebron has played 3 more full seasons than Jordan and that's counting the 2 seasons Mike was in Washington, well more like 1.5 😂Jordan played in all 82 games 4 different seasons. Lebron played in all 82 games just once in 18 seasons. It's much easier to have "longevity" when you're load managing half your career 😉
@@brian6441 That's fine but it's also important to note that Jordan so far has accomplished more with less time then Lebron did. History will make note of that when the comparisons continue after Lebron has been out of the league for a 5 years or so. Assuming someone else hasn't taken over the GOAT title by then.
@@brian6441 Additionally Jordan won an NCAA championship winning shot.
Honestly dont know why they keep comparing lebron and Jordan kobe is the only one most likely similar to Jordan
Penny Hardaway was a hall of famer caliber player before the injuries when bulls swept them.
The knee injury was after the Bulls loss...he was full strength✌
Lebron and the dream team lost to puerto rico 92-73 in the 2004 olypimpics and also lost to argentina and ended up with the bronze medal. Jordan first olympics, 21 years of age, with a college players selection, in 1984, won the gold and won every game by an average 30+ points per game. Never lost an International basketball game.
Not to mention he humiliate the nba Allstars in preparation for the 84 olympics
“Dream team” there’s only one Dream Team, and that’s the 1992 USA Basketball Team
Perkins corrected himself after he was trending for that comment on twitter, however he is living proof that just because you played in the league doesn't make your an expert anaylist.
Paul pierce and Ryan Hollans are other example of players who try to be sports analyst and just fucking suck at it. Hell I’m sure I could do a bette job😂
@@juliansykes782 They’re so stupid they’re funny.
@@baldhead7759 hi spider-man
@@juliansykes782 Hi 👋
The only thing Kendrick Perkins is an expert at, is describing the ingredients in Hostess Ding Dongs.
16:42 " and jordan, he was playing with crackheads." lmao. Some lebron fans really expect a 22-24 year old jordan to beat the most stacked team ever with crackhead teammates bruh.
According to LeBron fans LBJ has played with no bodies, carried every team he's ever been on and when he loses he needs help. And no the Heat apparently wasn't a super team
MJ is always the goal and MJ means more to the NBA and MJ plays every minute, never scared to play anyone
You deserved a like by putting up that graphic of KD’s career in comparison to the gap between MJ and Brons accomplishments. A hall of famers difference between them. Excellent take.
I also love how he gave Bill Russell his flowers, everyone forgot how bad the Celtics were until he got their
There's a reason even Larry Bird acknowledges how great of a player he was
He was an overall beast not just scoring but as a defender no one could score on him he's the only guy who shut down Wilt and there was other guys their heights white and black
@@thepubknight6144 wilt avg 35 + with 20+ rebounds on bill he didn't lock him down yall gotta stop with these false narratives and do some damn research
I'm so glad there is people like you who actually use facts and logic in these discussions
Look at Mike's stats in his first 6 years. He was the greatest player in the league the moment he entered. The league and fans weren't ready to let go of the Magic- Bird rivalry. At that time MJ wasn't on a team good enough to win titles, but make no mistake....he was the best player in the league. He had to work to earn his titles, he wasn't anointed to the position of being great. It got to the point were the league couldn't ignore what he was doing on the court game after game.
He was annointed mid 1989 playoffs but I get your point
Nick Wright is probably the biggest clown of 'sports analyst world' :D
It took LBJ and KD’s career accomplishments, to equal Jordan’s 🤣😂🤣 that sure settles that G.O.A.T argument
I'm convinced now that Lebron stans are officially delusional smh this guy said Jordan needed Scottie and all Lebron needed was the ball I'm done I can't wow 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok that LeBron thing is a lie buttttttt mj did need Scottie. He was just a dude who scored 40 and lost. Which is good but not great. And then when they got pippen they started winning
person so your saying as soon as Scottie Pippen got there exactly when they started winning is that what your saying?
person quick question what was Scottie Pippens rookie season average
@@brian6441 That's a lie because when pippen was a rookie, he ain't that good but he improve and he want to match mj and he wants to back him up. He didn't need pippen, Mj and Pippen just improved their game. In the documentary of the last dance you can see there a footage that mj is harsh in training because he wants a championship team he don't want to be a runner up. He could have team up with hakeem and rule the nba but no he improved his team to be a championship team.
When mj retired for the first time you can see that the bulls is still 55-20, but why is that? Because they are trained to be one of the best. You can see in Lebron's team when he left the team, it has no future right? Because he didn't train them they have their tutor.
The craziest part about the entire MJ vs Lebron debate is that it only started to eliminate Kobe from the conversation. The Lebron/MJ comparisons began and there was never a Lebron/Kobe comparison…and that comparison made more sense at the time because it was clear Lebron was nowhere near Jordan and Kobe’s and Lebron’s careers crossed paths so it makes more sense to compare them.. But they minimized Kobe’s accomplishments to the extent where they try to pretend that three of his championships weren’t relevant in his resume’. They jumped straight to the top with LBJ even with so much failure on his side…and completely bypassed the player they should’ve been comparing him to. I think if any player ever bypasses MJ as the best, we won’t have to debate about it, we’re going to know ‘for sure’ this guy is much better than Jordan and unfortunately Lebron has not passed him on paper or by the eye test.
The reason why they've criticized his teammates so much is that he's lost so much when he was projected to win. In their minds somebody has to be blamed other than him...
Someone said it. People act like Lebron didn’t make the first super team to win and still lost his first attempt to the Mavericks. Lebron needed teammates more than any superstar
Showtime lakers?? Bad Boy Pistons?? Golden state Mitch Richmond..Tim Hardaway Chris Mullin..1st Super Team?? Shall I continue
Bro Miami not even a super team after 2011 no one but Bron was the same let alone better. Jordan literally needed a GOAT coach n Scottie to win also. They need pieces.
@@JaRonFit those are not super teams, their just really good teams. Super teams IMO are the Warriors and 04 Lakers, even the 50s/60s Celtics cuz they had almost every all star those years.
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 the showtime lakers had like 4 HOF on it
Mark Calderon J.R. U keep mentioning GOAT coach, Jordan made him the GOAT coach, who was Phil Jackson b4 he coached the bulls, no 1 knew who he was, MJ was playing great even b4 Phil Jackson came
Ppl like Nick Wright and Perkins are the reasons I watch NBA games on mute these days. There's very little honest analysis it's all narrative and favoritism.
I mute he ESPN games. Kinda sad that we live in an era where all the yapping and bitching about stuff off the court has become so bad, one has to mute the game.
Abc games are lit with the trio though
When Cowherd said that Lebron James doesn't need coaches and teammates. He just need the damn ball. It is a disrespect to the coaches and to the teammates he played with
Tyronne Lue
Frank Vogel
Erik Spoelstra
Dywane Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Mario Chalmers
Ray Allen
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
JR Smith
Iman Shumpert
Tristan Thompson
Anthony Davis
Dwight Howard
Rajon Rondo
Kyle Kuzma
Alex Carusso
Jordan's dad was murdered and he retired for 2 years to play the baseball his dad wanted him to play in the middle of his 6 championship run, those 2 years would have jacked all his numbers up. And the 3 years on his 2nd retirement would have made his numbers unreachable.
Why do people make assists and rebounds mean more than points? Has any team ever out rebounded a team and lost? Yes, it happens all the time. Has any team ever had more assist and lost? Yes, that too happens all the time. Not in the history of the sport has a team had more points and lost. (Except if they were disqualified for some reason.)
Lebron is 6'9'' and plays defense in the post. I would hope a guy that is that tall would out rebound a freaking shooting guard.
Lebron also holds the ball longer than any of us teammates. He basically plays pg as well. Again he should have more assist than a SG.
It's not like Jordan couldn't pass the ball. He played in a system that got everyone involved where as LeBron played in a system that allowed him to pass the ball whenever he wanted too.
Basically what I'm getting at is those stats are pretty much meaningless considering how LeBron play the game.
Westbrook is going to end up with more assists and rebounds than MJ and we know he's not on MJ's level or close to it
The coin has a flip side too, if assists and rebounds are as important as points and total (cumulative) numbers also mean something more than just having played more years, then Utah Jazz must have been the single most super saiyan team of all times since they had all time assists leader John Stockton (also all time steals leader) and all time rebounds leader Karl Malone (also second all time scorer) starting for them and MJ beat them twice.
@@MikeBNumba6 LeBron despite being much bigger, averaged only a rebound more than Jordan and a little less blocks as well
Quite simply, 1 player cannot outscore an entire team. Therefore, the ability to get your teammates involved and make them more effective or better players is a common means of winning in team sports - not just basketball, obviously.
In the end, this makes assisting an incredibly important part of the game and could be just as important as scoring as it is commonly required to get the most out of your teammates in that manner. Some guys, like MJ, may get fortunate and have great scorers for teammates or great play makers to get the most out of their teammates for them. This was Pippen for MJ.
@@graememorissey3276 Jordan had no trouble getting teammates involved, having Pippen be the primary ballhandler, allowed him to finish plays with his superior scoring abilities. He averaged the same amount of assists per career as Pippen.
Finally someone says about lbj not making the playoffs his first two years when comparing Jordan's 1-9 in the playoffs his first 3 yrs
LeBron post-2011... Ok, Nick.... So without counting 2004-2011, let's go:
In 2012, the Miami Heat do the unthinkable by winning as the favourites behind the first ever signing of three top-five picks from the same draft class (James, Wade, Bosh).
In 2013, saved by Ray Allen's game-tying three pointer in game six of the finals with 5 seconds left after LeBron's attempted three pointer bricked. If Ray misses, Spurs win the series.
In a rematch with the Spurs in the 2014 finals, LeBron and his "Heatles" lose by an NBA record 71 point deficit where the average margin of victory was 14ppg. This marks LeBron tied with the Spurs franchise in finals match-ups 1-1. LeBron's direct small forward match-up Kawhi Leonard was the Finals MVP.
After getting gentleman's swept off the court by a record margin with Miami, LeBron verbally agrees with Cavs GM Dan Gilbert to sign with the Cavaliers on the basis they trade #1 pick Andrew Wiggins for perennial all-star, gold medallist, rebounding champ, 2011 most improved player and double-double record holder Kevin Love. Gilbert honours this request, as well as signing Rich Paul clients Tristan Thompson and JR Smith.
In the 2015 NBA finals, LeBron is on pace to shatter finals records for most missed shots. Through the first three games LeBron missed an average of 21 shots per game and would finish the series shooting just 39%. In the absence of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving due to injury, and despite LeBron's shooting woes, the Cavs still took eventual champion Warriors to six games. LeBron's direct small forward match-up was Finals MVP for the second time, Andre Iguodala.
The 2016 finals went exactly as expected, with the Cavaliers winning the championship behind the return of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. LeBron is bailed out in the clutch again by a team mate via the heroics of Irving who scored the only field goal by any player in the final three minutes of the close-out game to give the Cavs the lead. Irving was one point shy of back-to-back 40 point games. This ties LeBron with the Warriors franchise in finals, 1-1.
Following Irving's dagger and the conclusion of the 2016 season, LeBron investigates trade options between Irving and his children's god parents Chris Paul. This comes to light and Irving demands a trade to Boston, waiving 15% of his remaining contract to get out of town as quick as possible. Of the four players dealt to Cleveland in the trade, only one remained with Cleveland under LeBron's captaincy by trade deadline the following season (Collin Sexton).
2017 finals sees LeBron receive a gentleman's sweep for the 2nd time, and for the 3rd time his direct small forward match-up is named Finals MVP (Kevin Durant). LeBron now has a losing record to the Warriors franchise in finals contests 1-2.
In 2018 LeBron becomes only the third player in NBA history to average more than four turnovers per game in back-to-back seasons. Swept in the finals, Durant finals MVP, four times now LeBron's small forward match-up takes home the trophy. 1-3 against Warriors franchise in the finals. LeBron also loses a close-out game by an NBA record margin, 23 points in game four. LeBron only attempted four field goals in the entire 2nd half.
After getting embarassed by a world record margin for the 2nd time, LeBron gets out of Cleveland via free agency to sign with the Lakers. He would finish 11 wins behind the 8th seed in his first season in the western conference, and only improve the Lakers record by one win over the previous season.
Lakers essentially dismantle their roster for the 2020 season to rebuild and sign: the only player in NBA history to win DPOTY three consecutive times Dwight Howard, perennial all-star and 2nd all-time in PER Anthony Davis, 2x champion and record-holding three point shooters Danny Green, 2x champion centre Javale McGee, champion, 3x assists leader and 1x steals leader Rajan Rondo. Not only did this new roster carry LeBron to his first playoff appearance with the Lakers, they also took six games to beat the almighty 5th seed Heat who were without two starters through four games of the finals. 1-0 vs Miami.
2020 also marks the 2nd season in LeBron's career in which he led his peers in a statistical category, an assist title.
This was written in such a way as to irritate Bronsexuals. So if you were irritated reading this, you know what you are. Actually, I kid. It's not the tone that irritates them, it's the facts.
This is gold
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 appreciate ya
LeBron needed Dwade and Miami to teach him how to be a champion. Needed Ray Allen to save his game and Needed Kyrie Irvin to save his game in Cleveland.
Lebron called himself the chosen one and had it tattooed on his back, he wasn't called that by someone else
Oh... the magazine didnt call him that??? TF???
Besides GOOFY what does that have to do with actual basketball?
@@danmcphan3817 it is meant to indicate LBJ is a self promoting prick. As a Jordan fan, I can tell you Jordan called himself "Black Jesus" for similar reasons.
The difference is, other players called Jordan "Black Jesus" too.
@@MrDanielWP again Lebron didnt make up that name. It was given to him.
@@MrDanielWP if you dont like him, you dont. But let's not make up shit.
@@danmcphan3817 You know, you could have just made one comment. And, your reading comprehension is terrible. When did I say LeBron gave that name to himself? Learn to read.
Jordan is the GOAT and well explained the debunking of 3 of the worst pseudo-analysts in sports.
Kareem is the goat
@@allaboutthemurzic cool. make a video
@@sunez7 Jordan stan
@@allaboutthemurzic how you got that out of my opinion that Jordan is GOAT and telling you to share your own proofs is classical bitch made UA-cam commentary. Lotta shit yall would never say to anyone's face.
@@sunez7 We got an internet gangster here
Ready to kill over your precious jordan
I guess people forget about Ray Allen's 3pt % on the Heat...
I dont take Nick Wright seriously at all! He moves the goal post all the time in debates!
I hope people stop saying LeBron is the goat after this video!!!!! Great take on the subject jordan will always be the GOAT!!!!!..
Lebron didn’t even wanna guard KD in the finals
Exactly I told a byron fan that and her basically started crying
haha facts
Bron fans call him one of the greatest defensive players of all time and he let Jr.Smith and hood to guard kd. Jr .smith is 6'5 and kd is 6'11 . Bron is 6'8 and 250 pounds
@@fury_021 true plus lebron got posted up badly by an injured kobe on 45% shooting. He only won those matchups because he can keep better pace
KD is 2-1 vs lebron in the finals. Can also make an argument that KD outperformed Lebron in every finals they faced each other.
Here are all the players I would pick on my team before LeBron: Jordan, Magic, Bird, Jabar, Kobe, Duncan, and Olajuwoon
Nick Wright is a Skip Bayless wannabe just takes the opposite take is all.
When Lebron surpass Tim Duncan we can revisit this ridiculous argument.
Lequeen 1 and 2 against Duncan could have been 0 and 3.
What a casual take.
@@blackwulf8793 lequeen 😂😂💀💀
@@kaad7 Nah its an accurate take
Duncan was the next Jordan. He went out there and did whatever it took to win. Not pad stats, not worry about his legacy, just make sure the team wins. Tim listened to his coach, the coach is there for everyone on the team. All on the same page. Unlike iBron MeJames. Duncan finished off his career trying to help his team, mentor the next wave. Meanwhile Fake Space Jam is worried about getting a team together to play with his son. He’s never been close to Jordan, or any goat for that matter.
I love nick wright. My father used to take me to the circus when i was a kid and he reminds me of all those circus clowns, exept the makeup.
Bro, this is literally the best GOAT video on the internet... I wish you had millions of views
19:59 "Tim Duncan?"
Me: Yeah right 😂😂😂
Lebron built super teams and he has superhuman longevity. Why doesn't he have _more_ success? MJ played 11 full seasons with the Bulls and was the goat by '96. Lebron has literally done everything and still can't pass MJ.
What were these super teams
We pretending the Heat, Cavs and Lakers we're super teams?
Lebron's teammates over his career have 68 combined Allstar appearances.
Jordan's combined for 11.
The narrative that Lebron never has any help is pure bullshit.
@@okaepat2529 Uhhh the heat and the cavs...?? You could possibly put the Lakers and their too but I’d say that’s more of just a duo but still
@@monkeyrl-zz5gv the cavs were a super team?
@@okaepat2529 Well you got Lebron, Kyrie, and Love who were all putting up around 20 a night with a few solid players on their bench, yea they were. And on top of that they made the finals four years in a row....
Thank you Kendrick, Collin, and Nick. I lost 6 pounds by throwing up from my mouth. Why these people become analysts?
And that's exactly why ESPN is losing money investing in bs like that.
Kendrick said their resume is equal 🤣🤣🤣
If MJ had Kyrie, AD, D-Wade, Kevin Love, Bosh & Ray Allen on his runs he’d have 8 rings
Lol at “LBJ doesn’t need a robin, he just needs the ball.” The man wasn’t winning shit pre 2010, before he started creating superteams or getting with at least 2 all stars/1 superstar. He was 2-5 vs 50+ win teams, his best playoff run according to his fans at that point was 2007. Facing two 41 win teams, no Arenas/Butler for Wizards, later an old Pistons team with no Ben Wallace/coach Brown. Not exactly great competition, also Detroit won just 53 games, would’ve been the 4th seed out West. He ran to an established all-NBA player champion in Wade, got a legit all star in Bosh then he won 2 out of 4 finals. Oh & he was actually playing that robin role in the 2011 finals & choked bad while doing that. Worst finals series by a superstar ever, came in as the best player in those finals to getting outscored by 4 players including a bench player. Left Heat hanging when he saw he couldn’t win with them anymore. Joined an established all star in Kyrie, then got Love who was (at that time) a top 3 PF. That’s another 3 headed all star team in a weak East. No one else had that. Leaves Cavs once he saw he couldn’t win anymore, btw he was also trying to recruit KD there. Left to go to LA bc he knew that’s where Kawhi wanted to go all along, his first year there goes 28-27 but his fans say he was hurt. The dude said he was healthy all year, promised “playoff mode” only to go 3-12. Lost to trash teams like the Nets/Magic/Grizzlies/NYK etc then again tries to recruit another superstar in Kawhi after getting AD but failed to do so. AD ends up leading LA in every stat minus assists, led them in advanced stats as well so you can make a case LBJ was a robin this year yet his fans want to act like this man single handedly took 3 franchises to the finals all by himself & won. Worst fan base ever.
He has yet to take a trash team from the ground up to the finals & win with that. He’s hopped on different teams while getting with all stars to get ahead faster. That’s not impressive, it just shows you can’t win with what you have, when you lose you bounce to avoid adversity. That you need established all star help to get you to the finals & win. That whole narrative that he can take any team to the finals & win is false, never was true without the help of all stars.
Colin is a goofball, I remember on sportsnation when it first aired in 2009 (a show that used to be on ESPN) he was considered the LBJ “hater” while Michelle Beadle (his co host) was the LBJ “stan”. It just shows how the media has these dumb debate shows to garner ratings. Perk said MJ was the goat then flipped flipped once klutch sports got to him. Nick was a KD>>>>LBJ fan, called MJ the goat then flipped flopped. Shannon was a MJ guy, called him the goat with Kobe second then flipped flopped when those klutch checks came through. That’s all LBJ has is the media help, he needs that to fool the public into thinking he’s better than MJ or close to him when he ain’t.
Wha super team was Lebron on?
First off he got the 18 07 n 15 Cavs to the Finals. Trash teams btw, then the 14 Heat where Bosh was no longer himself n D Wade who was no longer himself cuz of injuries
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 the heat and the lakers
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 and cavs no other team in the east had three all stars
@@markcalderonj.r.6237
2011-2014 Heat
2015-2017 Cavs
Then two top 5 players in LA now.
He’s never taken a trash team from the ground up to the finals AND WON. He was close in 2007 but got swept. 2018 he had essentially the same team he had from 2015 minus Kyrie. That 2014 Cavs team was trash but when LBJ came the next year so did Love and players HE wanted, wasn’t the same team from 2014.
Remember when lbjhistory left the debate and still said he won 😭
Never forget bruh
Lmao
I'll never forget that
When I have too see this
When was this
I'm pretty sure in Jordan's final season he won league MVP, Finals MVP, Allstar MVP, the scoring title and was all NBA and all NBA defense first teams. To argue that Lebron has more longevity is ridiculous. Yes he is currently playing one season ahead of Jordan but Jordan grabbed pretty much every award that was available to him in his final season. You could put that season up against any season in history. He retired because he had no motivation to continue due to him winning a second threepeat. But it's pretty much a guarantee that if he had played one or two more seasons he'd have still been the best player in the league those years.
Kendrick grew a beard and started talking....all of a sudden he's the authority
Literally saying Perkins is an analyst, is a contradiction
50+ win teams
MJ’s era
East 51
West 49
LBJ’s era
East 40 (LOL)
West 77
All-NBA players
MJ’s era (85-98)
East 74
West 98
LBJ’s era (04-18)
East 58
West 147 (LOL)
All-NBA players in their respective Easts with 3+ honors
MJ 11x
Barkley 7x
Ewing 7x
Pippen 7x
Wilkins 5x
Bird 5x
Isiah 3x
Dumars 3x
Miller 3x
Richmond 3x
Hill 3x
Penny 3x
Price 3x
LBJ 14x
Wade 7x
Howard 6x
Wallace (Ben) 3x
PG13 3x
That’s it.....and Bron fans really got the nerve to say MJ’s East was trash and not LBJ’s?
Vs All-NBA players on 50+ win East teams in the playoffs
MJ
Ewing 3x
Price 3x
Dumars 2x
Bird 2x
McHale 1x
Moncrief 1x
Cummings 1x
Barkley 1x
Shaq 1x
Penny 1x
Tim Hardaway 1x
Miller 1x
Rice 1x
LBJ
DeRozan 2x
Billups 1x
Ben Wallace 1x
Howard 1x
Pierce 1x
KG 1x
Rose 1x
PG13 1x
Pau 1x
Lowry 1x
Thomas 1x
Let’s not forget Joakim Noah was the last first team all-NBA player (2014) besides LBJ before Giannis (2019). If that’s not LBJ dealing with weak East competition then I don’t know what is.
Most people dont say he played in a weak conference they say he played in a weak league
@@lamertofar8gaming443
Most people? Naw, it’s most LBJ groupies who say that shit, them or MJ haters. Which makes no sense, they say he played in a weak league with white boys, plumbers etc yet somehow his team was always stacked to them.
@@lamertofar8gaming443 *6"3 Steve Nash - 2x MVP ( 2005, 2006 ).*
If Steve Nash won the MVP in the 90s, Lebron fans would say that white, non-sports players dominated the 90s.
Lebron fans are so $tupid.
@@lamertofar8gaming443 nah LeBron played in a weak conference.
Look at the records of the teams in the east compared to the west when the cavs went to the finals in 07.
The cavs and pistons were the only teams in the east that had over 50 wins.
The west had like 5 teams with over 50 wins and two of them had 60 wins.
The cavs faced a team in the second round of the playoffs with a non winning record.
That's how bad the conference was. The pistons wasn't even that good of a team if you compared them to the west teams.
The west had 5 teams that would beat the pistons or cavs had they met in the finals. That's why it's funny when everyone said LeBron stood no chance against the spurs.
Just remember the best team in the west lost to an 8th seed golden state warriors team who you could argue would have beaten the cavs or the pistons
Excellent point
How do you say someone is stupid by not saying it?
Max: smirk's on perkwints who was throwing tantrums.
Lebron James literally had to get Draymond Green suspended just to keep his season alive so he can go on to win his 3rd Championship.
We need a Part 2 to this video with Uncle Shay Shay in it 🤦🏾♂️
AGREED!!
And Ryan Hollins
Shannon Sharpe’s gets on my nerves with his Lebron takes. Any time he is debating against someone and the other person makes some valid points about Michael Joran, Shannon gets all defensive and starts yelling.
Lebron couldn't have one the championship this year without Anthony Davis!
it’s a team sport . nigga lEbron needs Ad and AD needs lebron. just like how mj needs scottie and scottie needs mj. like how magic needs kareem and kareem needs magic. like how kobe needed shaq and shaq needed kobe.
@@driplord7286 he always needed an all star teammate to make the playoffs last year didn't made it while mike won not just make the playoffs won the finals without an all star
U make no sense Ight kd no ring without splash brother dryamonf green and best Mid range shooter in gs livingston 💀, Jordan couldn’t win that many rings without pipen denis robmin and the beet coach of all time with the triangle
Neither did Jordan win a single title without Pippen 😂
Lebron has all the tools and talent to be the greatest NBA player ever. Unfortunately he doesn't have the killer instinct like Jordan nor is he as competitive as Jordan. The reason why Jordan is better than every other NBA player ever is because no one wanted "IT" more than Michael Jordan. Jordan wanted the throne and he took it! He would of beat the fuck out of you if you were in his way.
Everbody is beating lebron 2x.. Duncan, durant, curry, nobody fears lebron.. Mj is the reason why some all time greats did not.win a ring, Mj is feared by Great players in the court..
If you look at the roster of every NBA Champion from 1990-2023. There’s 3 teams that (with all due respect) lacked elite talent or multiple HOF players in their prime. And LBJ lost to one of them, with more talent on his team. The 2010 Mavs and LeBron played the worst playoff series of his career to date.
Then won his latest Title against maybe 1 HOF on their team (Jimmy) and it still went six games vs Heat. While he had 1 HOF in his prime that series.
Davis in Finals:25ppg 10.7 rpg 3.2 ast
By Wright's logic : 1991 chip = 4 rings, 1992 chip = 2 rings, 1993 = 3 rings, 1996 chip = 2 rings, 1997 chip = 3 rings, 1998 chip = 5 rings, and Hakeem's two chips = 8 rings.
People who thinks this mickey mouse ring actually counts are hilarious. It was a global pandemic and they played at Disney world for go sakes so how tf does this count when there is absolutely no travel nor any crowd atmosphere? Not to mention nobody outside of 5 million people cared. Bubble ring does not equal normal season championship. LeBron team hopped 3 times while playing with at least 7 all-stars. His path to the finals were so weak compared to MJ and Kobe's. He also played in one of the most weakest soft eras ever.
Isn't even close to the GOAT with his losing finals record.
The bubble championship counts just as much as any other championship. Everyone was on a level playing field, and it was the Lakers who came out on top. Even if the bubble championship “doesn’t count”, how is it LeBron’s fault that a global pandemic forced drastically different circumstances for this NBA season? I don’t see how you can hold that against him. LeBron and the Lakers won the championship, what else is he supposed to do?
This might be the absolute dumbest comment I’ve ever seen
@@isaacdunaway7149
Yea they won but be real man, had it been the Clippers winning or any other team/player that LBJ fans dislike, it would’ve been discredited by LBJ fans. To be honest, no matter who won opposing fans would’ve discounted. I’m a Mavs fan but had they won Spurs/Rockets fans among others would’ve discounted it. Whether you like to admit it or not, there were too many different circumstances that helped or hurt certain teams in the bubble. Take Mitchell/Murray for instance, no way in hell do I see them scoring numerous 50+ pt games with fans in attendance with that playoff atmosphere.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx I agree that the circumstances in the bubble were different in many beneficial and harmful ways, but I just don’t see why people think the bubble championship counts more or less than any other normal championship. Everyone was on an even playing field and the Lakers stayed focused and came out on top and other great teams like the Clippers and Bucks didn’t. It’s just impossible to determine whether the bubble made things easier or harder for the players, so why try to uplift/discredit it?
@@isaacdunaway7149
I gave you one example though, I doubt Mitchell/Murray score numerous 50+ pt games in the playoffs with fans. Didn’t LBJ use that “no fans” excuse as to why he wasn’t playing well? Some players are gonna benefit from having no pressure with no fans, others need it bc they thrive off it. The traveling hurts teams as well, there was no travel here. LAL were also the only team in the bubble during these playoffs that had the same time slot in prime time. Never had a afternoon game at all. I’m just saying no matter who had won it, opposing fans from rival teams were gonna discount it, Not to mention how Miami was banged up, missing there best scorer in all but one game, missed there 2/3 best player for almost half the series. Let this be any other team that dealt with this, specifically a hated team by LBJ fans then they’re gonna get discredited by them.
Cowherd:"lebron just needs the ball"
so he didn't have the ball in '07 vs the spurs???
Crowd (in my head): oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!😱
Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison
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this is exactly why i laugh when those so called "analyst" made those kind of comments
jordan won his last championship at age of 35
his 6th championship and 2nd 3 peat
jordan was also the oldest player to ever win the regular season mvp
97-98 season
Nick Wright is the best, Imagine your name is Wright and your always Wrong.
It’s 2020 with all this internet access and you still got LBJ groupies/MJ haters saying Pippen carried him lol. The man came off the bench as a rookie and averaged 11 ppg while MJ averaged 45 ppg, yet MJ got carried/saved.
This is what’s funny about LBJ fans, they say that’s him carrying MJ but say AD did not carry LBJ even though AD led every major stat minus assists over LBJ and yes even advanced ones. Don’t forget they say Kobe was carried by Shaq even in those last 2 championship years where Kobe was averaging well over 20+ ppg. They don’t even know what to say anymore, nothing by contradicting statements. Worst fan base ever.
Yup can’t stand the Bron skirts constantly saying Jordan couldn’t win until he had Pippen. On the subject of their claim let’s have a look at winning Finals seeing as that’s the subject.
Jordan’s 2nd vs Lebron’s 2nd’s in the “winning” Finals series games:
Jordan - 33.6 (PTS) 6.0 (REB) 6.0 (AST) of teams pts (34.5%)
Pippen - 19.0 (PTS) 8.3 (REB) 5.9 (AST) of teams pts (19.6%)
Jordan never had a sub 20pt game in Finals
Pippen:
20+ pt games (15)
30+ pt games (1)
40+ pt games (0)
Total (16/35)
In 35 Finals games, 5 times Jordan has had a teammate score within 1pt, as many pts, or more (14.2% of the time)
LeBron - 28.3 (PTS) 10.4 (REB) 8.8 (AST) of team scoring (27.7%)
W,K,AD - 23.5 (PTS) 6.1 (REB) 4.1 (AST) of team scoring (22.9%)
LeBron has 3 sub 20pt games in Finals
Wade, Kyrie & Davis combined:
20+ pt games (11)
30+ pt games (5)
40+ pt games (1)
Total (17/25)
In 25 Finals games, 11 times LeBron has had a teammate score within 1pt, as many pts, or more (44.0% of the time)
Conclusion:
Jordan was scoring 34.5% of the teams total pts in a defensive era.
LeBron “so far” scoring 27.7% of the teams total pts in a more open court era.
Pippen vs Lebron’s 2’s is very much even Pippen while averaging 4.5 less pts he does beat Wade, Kyrie and AD combined for Rebounds +2.2, Assists +1.8.
Without pippen and Phil Jackson mj was shit and that’s a fact.. neither bron nor mj is goat... bill rusell is
@@davidknowles605
Good stuff man. It’s crazy how LBJ fans continuously say LBJ had the “least help” yet he’s had 7 all stars throughout his career who made the all star team 15x combined with him. Whereas MJ only had Pippen & he only made it with him 5x. MJ won his last 3 titles with Pippen averaging only 17 ppg on 39% shooting in the finals combined. Can you imagine what LBJ fans would’ve said had he that help? Pippen’s highest ppg in a finals series was 21.4 ppg, every other great like LBJ/Kareem/Kobe/Bird/Magic/Bill etc all had someone average more than that multiple times.
Teammates with 25+ ppg in the finals
LBJ 4x
Kobe 4x
Magic 4x
Russell 3x
Bird 2x
Kareem 2x
MJ 0x
Teammates with 20+ ppg in the finals
Russell 19x
Kareem 11x
Magic 11x
LBJ 5x
Bird 4x
Kobe 4x
MJ 4x
Their top 5 teammates ppg average in the finals throughout their career
LBJ
Kyrie 27.6
AD 25
Wade 21
Bosh 14.6
Love 13.8
MJ
Pippen 18.9
Kukoc 12.0
Grant 11.4
Paxson 9.6
Longley 7.8
@@rainuchiha2152
Dude was already an all-NBA player, an MVP caliber player, won MVP/DPOY the same year Pippen was a rookie off the bench with Doug Collins as coach. Dude was on his way to the hall of fame regardless.
Imagine if MJ had 10+ HOF help, got to play in a 8-10 team league, only needed 1-2 rounds to win a championship. Was winning while not even being the best player at times in the finals. Was only great at one end of the floor. Y’all dudes would’ve been using this shit to bash him.
@@rainuchiha2152 before Pippen and Jackson the team was crap not Jordan.
Russell is goat if the only thing you count is rings
Imma bron fan but what nick Wright said is dumb he’s wrong
Fax
I think he’s gonna say smtg that I’m thinking of but he says some other weird shit.
Too bad a lot bronsexuals spreading nick’s lies as gospel.
@@mervinprotacio1620 for real though
Media will keep bringing the GOAT debate coz they make 💰 🤑 💸 💲!!!
This is a really great video..somehow youngsters today tend to forget defense was a lot tougher back then....not to mention what a great defender MJ himself was..
Explain to me how defense was harder to play when he didn’t guard anyone like Kevin Durant. He didn’t even guard the best player on the opposing team.
Got a trip dub hung on him by an old Magic in G1 of the Finals 🤷🏾♂️
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 Magic is a top 5 player ever 💀, LeBron got a 40 point triple double from Jimmy Butler
@@markcalderonj.r.6237 you should check out all those blocks on elite big men mark...
Mark Calderon J.R. Jimmy butler dropped a triple double on bron and when lebron guarded kd he averaged 35 ppg on 50 40 90 in the finals. Don’t compare mj defense to someone who plays defense when he wants too.
So lebron is 1 Kevin Durant behind Jordan. Holy shit
Which is hilarious bc all we hear from LBJ fans is that KD is nowhere near LBJ but then turn around and act like LBJ is better or close to MJ.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
yeah thats crazy, he basically has to replicate kd's whole career within the next 4 years to get to mj
The accolades comparison is definitely a good measure when comparing players individually.. And you add to that the all time avg stats which MJ leads in 4 categories (has the most of all players) and has 1 category in the top 5. Meanwhile Lebron only leads in 1 category and mostly comes 2nd place or just in top 5. The gap is really significant
5:57. LeBronze needed much more than just the ball lol. He needed Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie, Love, and a very weak Leastern conference to win his first 3 rings lol.
Nick wright - perfect face for radio, perfect voice for print, perfect sports knowledge for the funny papers.
Hakeems 94 and 95 title runs were much more impressive than any on Lebron's championship seasons including the 2016 title. Coming back from a 3-1 lead from the Warriors was great, he was feasting off of weak competition on his way to the finals. Hakeem was the lone star in his title runs and he played a huge role in his teams success. An aging Dirk Nowitzki was able to carry the Mavs to three titles by helping them sweep the Lakers, and defeated a superstar heavy heat team in the finals. Lebron fans will complain that the 2017 and 2018 warriors were stacked but lie about the Heat and Cavs teams not being filled with superstars which shows their gross double standards. Lebron ever since 2010 has been the one handpicking teams and forcing them to play a system that revolves around his playing style due to his below average jumper and limited offensive skillset. His limited offensive skillset and lack of jumper hinders his ability to dominate and take other close games consistently despite him shooting a high field goal percentage.
Bro there is a huge gap between Lebron and MJ it’s a gap between MJ and everyone else
Nick Wright is on them white lines!!!
This is the most important video in basketball history! Main stream sports media just trying to hype kids to promote the sport
MJ was much better but this video doesn't prove any of that. To compare awards and championships from other eras is ignorant.
How can anyone think lebron is the goat. Hes amazing amazing one of tje best but clearly not the goat
Lbj failures(the media doesn't want to talk about).
-1 ring in 11 seasons with Cleveland
-2 rings in Miami after promising 7
-0 rings in first 7 seasons in Cleveland -Only beat one 50 win team between 2004-2010
-Needed a super team to win first title -4 rings in 17 seasons
-lost to a 38 yr old Tim Duncan in 2014
-He couldn't beat an old Celtics team in '08, 2010
-Lost to Magic team with one all star in 2009 -Lost to Mavs team with one all star in 2011 -Averaged 17 ppg in 2011 Finals
-Only averaged 22 ppg on 35% in 2007 Finals -0-6 in game tying or winning shot attempts in Finals
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This question, or the phrasing of it, rather, will probably come under a barrage of criticism. But you actually do have a point. LeBron is a great player at the best time to be in the NBA. The rules have made it easier to perform. And there is no stigma for guys who give college the customary one-and-done treatment. So, guys are playing earlier and longer. Therefore, they have the chance to rack up greater numbers. Add to this, the no hand check rules, the relaxed attitude of the record keepers regarding assists, and the increased pace, and you can see why numbers have been going up, up, up! Unassisted field goals have increased, showing that the no hand check rules are effective. It is hard not to point to this as a big reason that LeBron has feasted stat-wise, especially in a weaker Eastern conference. Is this LeBron-hating? Not at all! Let’s look at some cold, hard facts.
LeBron’s Eastern Conference has lost to the West the majority of the time he has been in the NBA. The West usually wins the championship. LeBron is 4-6 in the Finals. He makes it to the finals so often because he picked the best team in the weaker conference. He then stacked the deck in his favor, which, to his credit, he had to be great enough to do in the first place. I don’t begrudge him the opportunity afforded him by those that came before. But its not difficult to see why he has so easily dominated. The East is notoriously weak. It’s simple. Who in the East is a hall of famer, that has never been on a LeBron James team? Compare that with other great players and who they had to play, and it’s not even an argument, really. We hear LeBron supporters for the title of GOAT say that he had more competition in the finals than Michael Jordan. That is doubtful. It is more accurate to say that some of his opponents were clearly better than some of Jordan’s. But Jordan’s greatest competition was more evenly spread out. In fact, Jordan battled teams that were much tougher in his own conference than LeBron ever faced in his conference. Ever. Like the Larry Bird-led Boston Celtics. Who, in the East, has LeBron faced, that was on that level before he ever got to the finals? Then, there was arguably the greatest defensive squad ever assembled-the Bad Boys of Detroit. Isiah Thomas said that if his Pistons were playing in today’s league, they would even win more titles. He is known to be a fan of today’s game and thinks LeBron is the GOAT, so this is not a case of him hating. He is just noting, with a professional eye, that today’s game is easier. And the Eastern Conference is the weaker of the two, so that makes it easier for LeBron to waltz into the Finals every year.
LeBron is benefiting from a diluted league. There are more NBA teams than ever before, certainly more than the half a dozen years Jordan played in the 80s, when there were less expansion teams. There were more high quality players crowded onto fewer teams, which made things more competitive. LeBron has played his entire career in a league watered down by expansion clubs. Everyone knows that we need to get rid of some teams. There are just too many. It hurts the quality. Part of the reason we have these super teams is because players are trying to team up to balance the league out. see: Golden State. But didn’t LeBron sort of start things by taking his talents to South Beach and ensuring that he had a stacked deck? Now, the NBA suffers from an imbalance that becomes harder to correct with each passing year.
LeBron played with much better players than other all time greats. The two aforementioned factors alone, an abysmal record against the West and a diluted league, are enough to seriously weaken the LeBron for GOAT argument in so many ways. But, LeBron couldn’t possibly have any control over how strong the West was or how diluted the NBA happened to be, so we need a third reason to bolster our argument. Now, how can we prove that he played with better players than most of the all time greats? Well, let’s look at who he is compared to the most, Michael Jordan, the real GOAT. LeBron’s efforts to stack the deck haven’t been for naught. That is why he claimed he would win numerous championships when he first went to Miami. He called Chris Bosh, who ruled the roost in Toronto, and made sure D Wade, one of the greatest players ever, and the best player on the Miami Heat before LeBron, were going to be there. It is worth noting that Jordan never played with any one of D Wade’s caliber. Wade had a scoring title, a ring, and a Finals MVP before LeBron came. Kevin Love was the best player on his own team before playing with LeBron. Kyrie is one of the absolute best players in the league, and was the best player on his team before LeBron moved back to Cleveland. Kyrie commanded a double team. Chris Bosh did as well. So did Wade. And so did Kevin Love. Who on Jordan’s team needed to be double teamed in the entire time he played in Chicago??? LeBron has played with 14 teammates who were all stars during his finals runs. Jordan has only played with between 6-8. But LeBron’s teammates have a combined total of over 50 all star appearances! Jordan’s have 11, and most of those were from Scottie Pippen. Even if it wasn’t by much, consensus is that, by any measure, James has had better teammates throughout his career, yet he falls far short. Why far short? Why not end up with slightly more than what Jordan had? After all, James is playing in an easier league, and the Warriors haven’t always been dominant. Couldn’t James have done more? I mean we are talking about the title of GOAT, here. Greatest of all time. If he had better teammates, and he is better than Jordan, then why doesn’t he have a better record? Or maybe more realistically, why isn’t he tied? Or maybe to give him the benefit of the doubt, why isn’t he closer? Why doesn’t he have 5 titles? He has played longer, after all. he has more minutes, games, and full seasons than most great athletes in the sport. I think that LeBron, to be the greatest, has to meet some really high standards, because of the elite category. We are talking about a field of one. Only one person can be in this category. So little things matter.
LeBron has failed to perform at GOAT standards throughout his career. This is the biggest indictment against LeBron, and it is the reason he is so far short of Jordan, and Kareem for that matter.
There were times when he should have won a title, but he didn’t. The Dallas series is the biggest blotch on his record. Even his most ardent supporters concede this point. Nick Wright, who is an unapologetic LeBron fan, readily admitted this on more than one occasion. I don’t want to hear that Dallas was underrated. They beat Kobe, sure. But LeBron and the Heat were seeded higher and they went up 2-1 on LeBron. If the Heat just got outplayed, I would say that LeBron couldn’t do anything. But the measure of greatness is not merely whether you win or lose, it is how you played, regardless of the outcome. Did LeBron play like someone who was an 8 year pro, with a scoring title, multiple MVPs, and previous Finals experience? NO. Look at Game 4. 8 points and 4 turnovers? He wasn’t the 2nd, 3rd, or even the 4th best player on the floor. He looked lost. It wasn’t a bad game. It was a forgettable series. Games 5 and 6 weren’t only slightly better. If LeBron had even shown up, it would have at least gone 7. If he had played like he was the best player on the planet, he wouldn’t have needed 7. But how did he let Jason Terry, a 33 year old, out play him? How come he couldn’t stop Jason Terry??? Terry was a great underrated player, sure. But didn’t LeBron make a name for himself just a few weeks earlier by shutting down the league MVP, Derek Rose? Weren’t people calling him the best defender in the playoffs? No excuse for playing great against a prime Derek Rose, one of the two best players in the league that year, and then getting the pants whipped off of him by Jason Terry, not even in the top 20.
Finally wins another chip HoF by his side Anthony Davis, which gives him four in 17 years.The amazing thing is, it hasn’t made him the GOAT.
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