I like the theory that I read on the webpage Earth Force Naval Intelligence (efni.org). *I think it was all from that page*. For those thinking the Dilgar would have been strong allies against the Shadows, the theory presented was that the Dilgar were to be the principle weapons of the Shadows due to natural aggression and xenophobia. The Dilgar learned their sun was going to die, hence the rapid mobilization and invasion of the Non-Aligned sectors. The theory is that the Shadows were able to artificially cause the impending supernova of the Dilgar sun, to properly motivate their chosen pawn race. The Dilgar were unstoppable, spreading chaos and if not checked, would've likely wiped out many of the non-aligned races and they handed the Narns their butts. The Centauri were in decline, but still technologically advanced to give the Dilgar pause and of course, the powerful Minbari were isolationists and couldn't care less. Then humanity intervened and the Dilgar summarily got their butts thrashed by a technologically inferior race. With the defeat of the Dilgar and Earth Alliance basically sentencing them to death by blockading them in the Omelos system, the Shadows had to rethink their plans with their chosen race gone. Since Earth had proven a dangerous adversary, Shadow agents infiltrated Earthgov, and would influence decisions regarding fleet composition, and sphere of influence actions for the next decade. This interference leads to Earth seeking out the Minbari, believing that they could crush them too if need be, putting the absolute worst captain in command of the expedition and thus start the Minbari War, which almost exterminated humanity...the race that beat the Dilgar. The Shadows knew, same as the Vorlons, that the humans were the key in the next war. If the Shadows eliminated them in advance of the war, their victory was almost assured, as the only race that was guaranteed to join the Vorlons was the Minbari and without the Humans to convince the rest, they would've continued their own petty conflicts or get overrun by the Centauri. When the Minbari War ended without Humanity's destruction, they took other measures as we saw in the series to keep the Humans out of the conflict...for the most part. I always thought that this theory just makes so much sense.
When running the roleplay game in a group I used to be in I set it during the Dilgar War, as I believed it would be an interesting setting and would avoid Babylon 5 itself.
ok,here u go,i hope u all have ALOT of free time,as this is 20-30 chapters long..www.fanfiction.net/s/2594689/1/The-Dilgar-War?fbclid=IwAR0f6mL7z6ACeekXTJ6iUse3G02PiQHC1Bn6SpxjeFLXFPPE511ZUfjHHh0
I just wanted to say that the series itself, writers, and director did an absolutely fantastic job with Warmaster Jha'Dur. And they also had the perfect actress for her. The way she was depicted encapsulated the unimaginably savage nature of her species, taking additional note than even amongst the Dilgar she was exceptionally brutal and psychotic. The episode also makes another good point: Politics speak louder than morality. It makes perfect sense that a Minbari faction would harbor her because they found her work "useful." This was one of my top 5 episodes, in the entire series.
@@OmegaOrdained that truth is a 3 egged sword thing form hem shape my inter out look on the world. To trolley understand something you most know all parts of something even the parts you don't want to hear and the truth of something is either what you believe or what thy believe in something your both over looking in the middle. That why i can't stand the way people are today traped in one view point or another. Only seeing and hearing things thy want to. For most 1 ideologue is all thy have or want to interpret the world. For me i need to know them all to see the hidden 3rd truth. If nothing else it's great for understanding you enemy.
Babylon 5 may have inspired Mass Effect, but this episode was definitely inspired by WW2, Natzie experimentation, the US entering the war and Dr. Joseph Mingalla, his horrifying work, his escape from Allied forces, the Nurembergtrails after the war and some war criminals givin asylum after the war for their knowledge and a few other stories of the war.
@@OmegaOrdained I appreciate your B-5 reviews and hope you will do more of them. I just checked this out, but Deathwalker was played by Sarah Douglas, who also played a somewhat similar character, Ursa, in Superman 2. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ursa+superman+2&&view=detail&mid=81BBA86B2EBF19986D0B81BBA86B2EBF19986D0B&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dursa%2Bsuperman%2B2%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
The woman who played her was also the tall brunette who played Sheridan's lawyer sent from Earthdomr after he was accused of murdering a Minbari shortly after his appointment.
Hey sorry I didn't see this message until today. I'm glad you appreciate the show, and thank you so much!! If you didn't know I I do a new Babylon 5 every Friday. I'm going to have to watch Superman 2 again thank you!😎👍
Yeah, this was the episodes that I kinda realized that the Vorlons were not true allies. They had their own agendas that may come into conflict with the new races one day.......if I only knew what would happen later on.
@@OmegaOrdained Honestly, I did love that episode. Just made me think of the Vorlons differently, and that is a great thing when you can change your audience thoughts on something just from the actions from one act.
For me the truth of the vorlons did not hit me until latter after kush's death. It was about here that i came to the understanding that the vorlons were so above all the other races that to kush there simple children and in power the other races were ants. Fighting a vorlon was like fighting Q. So one sided that to try was stupidity. That the part the scared me Vorlons were Gods.
Concerning Jha'dur's alias of Gaila Lobos: That may have been inspired by Glasya-Labolas (a variant being Gailos Lobos). This is one of the demons listed in the Ars Goetia. Glasya-Labolas commands manslaughter and bloodshed, among other attributes.
Thank you very much. Sorry about that don't know how I missed it. For those that don't know the serum can only be developed through the murder of others. So you can gain immortality but it's at the cost of another being to do so. Good catch Dark Age 5!😎👍
Have you considered covering Peter Jackson's 05 King Kong remake? Lotta juicy content there. Not just Ann, Kong, Jack, Denham & the Ventura crew but also Skull Island itself. All the horrible, nightmarish beasts which inhabit this ominous lost world. Hell, according to the artwork there were tons upon tons more creatures we didn't see onscreen. Could pump out well over 100 vids, dude.
Sorry Alex, I didn't see this comment until right now. That is an interesting suggestion thank you! I have not considered that, but now I will. I have been looking for some stuff to do for October. This might fit the bill. Thank you!😎👍
Against the Shadows? No they would have allied with the Shadows. In a fanfic story, the Dilgar used Shadow tech such as the missiles seen in the series to destroy a planet given to them by the Drakh. It is the reason EarthForce after cracking Dilgar communications became aware of this only months before the Dilgar were about to begin production. EF sent a small task force with 2 other League World warships to destroy secret underground facilities hidden on an icy moon within the Omelos system, home of the Dilgar.
I had read somewhere that there is a novel version of Babylon 5 that there is a single Dilgar colony survived after the Dilgar home world got destroyed by the supernova of their home system sun. The colony is said to be established by Dilgars who opposed the imperialistic expansion policy of their government. They are either exiled by their own government or self posed exiled. According to the novel, the Dilgars are not extinct due to the existence of a single colony outside of their home world.
Anti-agathic was a term used in James Blish’s Cities In Flight series from the 1950s. Regular use made one entirely unaging, and was a reward for the best of the best of each generation.
I didn't realize that was how they all died... This is terrible writing btw, we have known for a long time that a star just doesn't go Supernova all willie nillie like when it wants to. If this is canon it is kind of sad. We would have had millions of years forewarning and one quick call to any physicist would have been enough.
The evidence is that some of the First Ones had the ability to force a star to go nova or supernova when they needed it. In The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars, Sol goes nova in one million years from now, which is not what would happen, as it hasn’t enough mass. EXCEPT … According to JMS, some other race does this to Sol.
I like the theory that I read on the webpage Earth Force Naval Intelligence (efni.org). *I think it was all from that page*. For those thinking the Dilgar would have been strong allies against the Shadows, the theory presented was that the Dilgar were to be the principle weapons of the Shadows due to natural aggression and xenophobia. The Dilgar learned their sun was going to die, hence the rapid mobilization and invasion of the Non-Aligned sectors. The theory is that the Shadows were able to artificially cause the impending supernova of the Dilgar sun, to properly motivate their chosen pawn race. The Dilgar were unstoppable, spreading chaos and if not checked, would've likely wiped out many of the non-aligned races and they handed the Narns their butts. The Centauri were in decline, but still technologically advanced to give the Dilgar pause and of course, the powerful Minbari were isolationists and couldn't care less. Then humanity intervened and the Dilgar summarily got their butts thrashed by a technologically inferior race. With the defeat of the Dilgar and Earth Alliance basically sentencing them to death by blockading them in the Omelos system, the Shadows had to rethink their plans with their chosen race gone. Since Earth had proven a dangerous adversary, Shadow agents infiltrated Earthgov, and would influence decisions regarding fleet composition, and sphere of influence actions for the next decade. This interference leads to Earth seeking out the Minbari, believing that they could crush them too if need be, putting the absolute worst captain in command of the expedition and thus start the Minbari War, which almost exterminated humanity...the race that beat the Dilgar. The Shadows knew, same as the Vorlons, that the humans were the key in the next war. If the Shadows eliminated them in advance of the war, their victory was almost assured, as the only race that was guaranteed to join the Vorlons was the Minbari and without the Humans to convince the rest, they would've continued their own petty conflicts or get overrun by the Centauri. When the Minbari War ended without Humanity's destruction, they took other measures as we saw in the series to keep the Humans out of the conflict...for the most part. I always thought that this theory just makes so much sense.
I like that! It makes way more sense but dilgar would be on the side of the Shadows for sure.😎👍
The Big fault in your theory stems from the fact that the Vorlons had actually Already genetically modified the humans to be psychically endowed!!! 🤠👍
This episode of B5 was such a great moral story.
The actress did an excellent job too. I love her portrayal as seska on Star Trek Voyager!😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained Yes, she did. I didn't even know she played Seska too :O
She pretends to be Seska but she is really Ja'dur lol😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained Sorry, but Seska was played by Martha Hackett. Sarah Douglas played Jha'Dur on B5 and as Ursa on Superman 2.
Jha'dur -
Ursa -
Seska -
Wow I had no idea! Thanks for the info, I thought for sure it was the same actress.😎👍
If they made a prequel serie I would have set in the Dilgar War
That would be cool, and they could included the colonization of Mars.😎👍
When running the roleplay game in a group I used to be in I set it during the Dilgar War, as I believed it would be an interesting setting and would avoid Babylon 5 itself.
No. It would be called Babylon 4 and was set during last Shadow war.
ok,here u go,i hope u all have ALOT of free time,as this is 20-30 chapters long..www.fanfiction.net/s/2594689/1/The-Dilgar-War?fbclid=IwAR0f6mL7z6ACeekXTJ6iUse3G02PiQHC1Bn6SpxjeFLXFPPE511ZUfjHHh0
Now that's what I'm talking about! What is free time?😁
I just wanted to say that the series itself, writers, and director did an absolutely fantastic job with Warmaster Jha'Dur. And they also had the perfect actress for her.
The way she was depicted encapsulated the unimaginably savage nature of her species, taking additional note than even amongst the Dilgar she was exceptionally brutal and psychotic.
The episode also makes another good point: Politics speak louder than morality. It makes perfect sense that a Minbari faction would harbor her because they found her work "useful." This was one of my top 5 episodes, in the entire series.
Worlds would have either declared war on each other or killed themselves for this immortality...the Vorlons made the right call
I would have loved to know more about her race. I also love the power play of the vorlons just blowing her up at the end.
Not much is known about them. However I to absolutely loved Ambassador Kosh is decision to blow her up LOL😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained that truth is a 3 egged sword thing form hem shape my inter out look on the world. To trolley understand something you most know all parts of something even the parts you don't want to hear and the truth of something is either what you believe or what thy believe in something your both over looking in the middle.
That why i can't stand the way people are today traped in one view point or another. Only seeing and hearing things thy want to.
For most 1 ideologue is all thy have or want to interpret the world. For me i need to know them all to see the hidden 3rd truth.
If nothing else it's great for understanding you enemy.
.Man that's the truth 😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained there were some books for the tabletop rpg that went into depth into the Dilgar and the war.
www.scribd.com/document/251831786/The-Dilgar-War
B5 was the best show ever
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
‘Not like us? YOU will become us!’
Babylon 5 may have inspired Mass Effect, but this episode was definitely inspired by WW2, Natzie experimentation, the US entering the war and Dr. Joseph Mingalla, his horrifying work, his escape from Allied forces, the Nurembergtrails after the war and some war criminals givin asylum after the war for their knowledge and a few other stories of the war.
Let's not forget Unit 731 as well.
dr. mengele. Although one is no doctor when one hurts other humans. They still use stuff he discovered about the human body....
@@JK-Visions Just an empty title eroded by evil.
John, you're talking about Operation Paperclip aren't you?
@@tatianalyulkin410 the last part? yep, operation Paperclip.
Her character had such an amazing design.
Jha'Dur reminds me of an evil live version of Captain Amelia from Treasure Planet.
Yikes! You're right!
You are not ready for immortality
I don't know if Babylon 5 is still remembered, but there should be a Babylon 5 movie made new year, based around the Dilgar Invasion.
Wouldn't this time frame be another great series?! Come on Straczynski, let's go...chop chop! Pull another storyline out of your...umm, mind.
Yeah buddy! I second this!😎👍
_"And so it begins...."_
Jha'dur should also be remembered for one of the most evil laughs in television history.
Oh hands down! 😎👍
@@OmegaOrdained I appreciate your B-5 reviews and hope you will do more of them. I just checked this out, but Deathwalker was played by Sarah Douglas, who also played a somewhat similar character, Ursa, in Superman 2. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ursa+superman+2&&view=detail&mid=81BBA86B2EBF19986D0B81BBA86B2EBF19986D0B&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dursa%2Bsuperman%2B2%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
The woman who played her was also the tall brunette who played Sheridan's lawyer sent from Earthdomr after he was accused of murdering a Minbari shortly after his appointment.
Hey sorry I didn't see this message until today. I'm glad you appreciate the show, and thank you so much!! If you didn't know I I do a new Babylon 5 every Friday. I'm going to have to watch Superman 2 again thank you!😎👍
Very nice! I didn't know that. And I think I made the lawyers episode coming up this year LOL😎👍
Yeah, this was the episodes that I kinda realized that the Vorlons were not true allies. They had their own agendas that may come into conflict with the new races one day.......if I only knew what would happen later on.
I love it when Kosh said you are not ready for immortality
@@OmegaOrdained Honestly, I did love that episode. Just made me think of the Vorlons differently, and that is a great thing when you can change your audience thoughts on something just from the actions from one act.
That was the Beauty of JMS and his writing. He could pull one thread and make you fall in love, or hate a character, with just such an act. :)
For me the truth of the vorlons did not hit me until latter after kush's death. It was about here that i came to the understanding that the vorlons were so above all the other races that to kush there simple children and in power the other races were ants. Fighting a vorlon was like fighting Q. So one sided that to try was stupidity. That the part the scared me Vorlons were Gods.
Sheridan and Sisko had similar sentiments, get the hell off my station, and get the hell of our galaxy!😎👍👍
Remember the Persephone!.
Concerning Jha'dur's alias of Gaila Lobos: That may have been inspired by Glasya-Labolas (a variant being Gailos Lobos). This is one of the demons listed in the Ars Goetia. Glasya-Labolas commands manslaughter and bloodshed, among other attributes.
Awesome! Thank you ! I learned something today!😎👍
Been loving this series but you didn't reveal the reason for why the serum is so deadly to develop.
Thank you very much. Sorry about that don't know how I missed it. For those that don't know the serum can only be developed through the murder of others. So you can gain immortality but it's at the cost of another being to do so. Good catch Dark Age 5!😎👍
Awesome are there any episodes about this Babylon 5
Have you considered covering Peter Jackson's 05 King Kong remake? Lotta juicy content there. Not just Ann, Kong, Jack, Denham & the Ventura crew but also Skull Island itself. All the horrible, nightmarish beasts which inhabit this ominous lost world. Hell, according to the artwork there were tons upon tons more creatures we didn't see onscreen. Could pump out well over 100 vids, dude.
Sorry Alex, I didn't see this comment until right now. That is an interesting suggestion thank you! I have not considered that, but now I will. I have been looking for some stuff to do for October. This might fit the bill. Thank you!😎👍
Skull Island's terrifying wildlife would certainly fit Halloween.
Almost a shame they went extinct. They sound like they could have been useful in the fight against the shadows.
Against the Shadows? No they would have allied with the Shadows. In a fanfic story, the Dilgar used Shadow tech such as the missiles seen in the series to destroy a planet given to them by the Drakh. It is the reason EarthForce after cracking Dilgar communications became aware of this only months before the Dilgar were about to begin production. EF sent a small task force with 2 other League World warships to destroy secret underground facilities hidden on an icy moon within the Omelos system, home of the Dilgar.
I had read somewhere that there is a novel version of Babylon 5 that there is a single Dilgar colony survived after the Dilgar home world got destroyed by the supernova of their home system sun. The colony is said to be established by Dilgars who opposed the imperialistic expansion policy of their government. They are either exiled by their own government or self posed exiled. According to the novel, the Dilgars are not extinct due to the existence of a single colony outside of their home world.
Good show 👍👍
Oh heckya!! 👍👍
You the Bamba!😎👍
Too bad there no novels about how she made contact with the wind swords and her life with them. Or movie.
There was a game in development based on this, however I don't believe it ever got finished.😎👍
Omega Ordained That would have been nice.
@@OmegaOrdained It did have a great soundtrack composed, however. You can find it on YT, the game was called Into the Fire.
Right on thank you😎👍
Death Walker!!!!
So the Dilgar attacks and wipes out a Narn Colony, they make nice with the Centauri but the Narn don't go to war with the Dilgar?
So she was allowed to leave B5 on a shuttle by her own? That part does not make much sense.
Keep her away from Sol 3
Is anti gothic serum a real thing? Or just made up for the show?
I think it was just in the show.😎👍
Anti-agathic was a term used in James Blish’s Cities In Flight series from the 1950s. Regular use made one entirely unaging, and was a reward for the best of the best of each generation.
I didn't realize that was how they all died... This is terrible writing btw, we have known for a long time that a star just doesn't go Supernova all willie nillie like when it wants to. If this is canon it is kind of sad. We would have had millions of years forewarning and one quick call to any physicist would have been enough.
The evidence is that some of the First Ones had the ability to force a star to go nova or supernova when they needed it. In The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars, Sol goes nova in one million years from now, which is not what would happen, as it hasn’t enough mass.
EXCEPT …
According to JMS, some other race does this to Sol.