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Getting a "cause for CONCERN" | PGCE Experience | GROWTH mindset | TRAINEE teacher ADVICE | SCITT
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2020
- Hello everyone,
Thank you for clicking on this video, great to have you back or welcome if you're new!
Today's video is quite a different tone to my normal videos. I'm sharing a part of my journey that was negative and is very sensitive to me so I please be kind.
It all comes as part of my aim during lockdown to be a support to the teaching community and help teachers to know they are not alone in any negative feelings they have; if they're going through a tough time, they're won't be the first and to generally be more honest about the training journey.
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Also, please feel free to share any experiences you have below and be kind to others!
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Petite Primary x
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It’s true, you don’t often hear how real teaching can be, I am on my PGCE journey and not 1 single lecturer has shared such experiences. I have thought about moments like this and what happens when things don’t go to plan, as you say you pick yourself up (all be it over time) and come back stronger.
You might not even be the person you are today without that experience. You really do articulate your words so brilliantly and I admire how genuine and honest this story was. I have watched a few of your videos tonight, it had me deep in thought and offered a moment of personal reflection. I am going to take a few leaves out of your book, especially the one about letting go, thank you.
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Thank you Cassie for SUCH a beautiful comment.
I think it's important in life to be honest and realistic and although teaching is incredibly and so rewarding, it's not all easy sailing, nor should people give the impression it is.
I'm glad that this video and some others helped! It's important to me to be able to support others when I feel like my support lacked during my training.
Thank you again #UnlockTeachTalk xx
I don't think the lectueres on PGCE courses, are really all that aware of what they are doing. Nor do they really understand more about teacher training, apart from "blame the trainee" at all times and in all places. The immature mentor that you describe, with her bullying mentality - sadly I think that is the norm.
Word has got round about the bullying that goes on via PGCE SCITT and also in the Universities. Very few trainees escape the type of bullying that you excellently describe. As a result, people don't want to do teacher training.
I haven't heard anything about this 😣 I sincerely hope that such a thing does not happen regularly!!
Your honestly is exemplary. Thank you for sharing this really confidence-destroying experience. You certainly have a growth mindset, you'll provide a great model for the children you teach.
Thank you Sophie! That's a really sweet thing to say, I really appreciate it ❤️
I'm binge watching your channel this evening but this a particularly remarkable video - well done!! This was an important video to make & I am very grateful that you made it. Thanks for being you, that took courage.
I love a good binge watch, thank you so much for supporting my channel ❤️ It did take a year to film, but I felt that after such a long time, it had to be said and it was a very significant part of my journey. Thank you xx
Thank you so much for this video! My last placement was bad (similar experience) and thought I was the one of a few that had dealt with this kind of thing! I'm glad you worked though it and it gives me strength to go to my next placement with positivity! Thank you again!!
I'm sure we won't have been the only ones, in fact I know so as several people have reached out to me since. It's a new place, new start, embrace the opportunity. You'll be great xx
Thanks for sharing! Getting ready for my PGCE this year and it is daunting seeing so many “perfect” teaching students - whilst it may have been a moment that knocked your confidence I think sharing this story will give a lot of other new teachers more confidence :) cheers!
Thank you so much Rhianna, that comment really means a lot ❤️ Best of luck when you start your PGCE xx
So brave of you to share this story and it sounds like, if anything, it has made you a better teacher! There are always times in this career where you question the support you're given or question whether you want to stay in the profession, but I think if it's something that happens only a few number of times, it's probably worth persevering. Thank you for sharing lovely :) x
Thank you for watching and always being supportive! Yes, I think at one point or another there's always a moment you doubt or are going through a hard time but it's never spoken about or acknowledged. If people were as open about their achievements as their struggles, I think a lot less people would be struggling in silence. Thank you again xx
@@PetitePrimary I completely agree!
This literally rang true to me for so many reasons. Thank you for this videox
Did you have a similar experience? :/ xx
Thanks for sharing this. You’re very brave to share this. I needed to see this. It’s very helpful to me X
Hi Jaz, thanks for commenting, I'm glad it was something that you needed to hear. Are you currently going through something similar? Xx
@@PetitePrimary No, but I have applied for the pgce and I was getting cold feet. First I think it’s a great idea and then I try to talk myself out of it. I’m afraid it might be too stressful for me.
I am in my last few weeks in my PGCE and I reallly needed this video, thank you
You're very welcome Sana. Are you in a similar position? Best of luck with the remainder of your PGCE xx
You’re very brave for sharing. I was crying my eyes out after my first few mentor meetings.
Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that! Has your situation improved now? Xx
@@PetitePrimary it hasn’t improved completely but my Scitt placement 1 only lasts until christmas. My placement 2 will be six months so I’m hoping to learn from the mistakes I make here x
@@avantgardefilms2503 You shouldn't have to settle for a situation you're not happy or comfortable with. Please reach out to somebody and talk to them about it or, if you can and feel comfortable, talk to your mentor and explain how you're feeling and is there something that could be done to help you? Of course this is situation dependent, but if they upset you this much, it's not healthy to carry on like that until Christmas x
I admire you for your growth mindset though and really hope your next placement is better 😊
@@PetitePrimary It’s mainly struggling with the workload. Having the stress of the pandemic and not socialising over the summer has also affected me. I did reach out and had a meeting with my provider. They told me not to pressure myself too much and to think of coping strategies. I feel so much better mentally now but my organisation is still not where it should be. I was also late by 2 hours in my second week on placement. I don’t think I’m going to pass this placement as a result and I’ve just accepted it. I’m praised after most observations and I’m evidencing my bundle. Having a growth mindset is all I can do at this stage. Thankfully the Scitt are open to sending me to my old school where I know I would be supported for placement 2. Xx
I'll think about making a video for managing your workload as I know you're not the only one who struggles there! Keeping work your hardest though and you might pass it, who knows?
I hope you get to go back to that second placement and thrive in an environment where you feel comfortable and less pressure. With the lockdown, it is hard to socialise but maybe if you arrange a weekly time to face time or phonecall that might help? Xx
I think you’re extremely brave to make this video. Congratulations on growing from the experience, it’s put me at ease to know that even if you have a bad experience on the course you can still do really well like you have. My first placement starts this week and I’m so nervous but I’m going to try and not be a perfectionist and grow from my mistakes.
Thank you for this Amy, it's reassured me!
You'll be great on placement. Honestly, you grow so much through the process and getting to know the kids and see their progress is so rewarding.
Being nervous is normal and to be expected, but your attitude is already brilliant.
You'll ace it xx
Thank you for sharing; you did the right thing defending your children. Seems to be this guy was a bully more than a tutor. You should be proud of your journey and it certainly does inspire me. I am just starting my journey as a TA and hope to become a Qualified Teacher in a few years.
Good luck on your journey and thank you for watching! It definitely helped me grow professionally so all ends well. I hope you enjoy all the classroom experience you're about to get!
Good luck with your journey. I think bullying is the norm from mentors and University lecturers, towards trainee teachers. This is why they are having a real problem when it comes to getting people to go on PGCE courses.
I’ve just started my PGCE and with covid we don’t go into schools until January and we have 1 placement with “bubbles” and things. You are incredibly brave for putting this out there and I’m so happy I’ve found your channel!
Aw thank you for commenting and watching, I'm glad you found my channel too! I promise not all placements are like this so I hope you have a better experience 😊 When the time comes I have a few placement videos that you might find useful too xx
@@PetitePrimary 100% I’ve watched a few so far and they’ve all eased my anxiety a lot! Xx
@@missb4734 That's incredible to hear and it's why I do this. Thank you for sharing that with me 😊 xx
Thank you for sharing this with us. I find it so helpful.xx
You're welcome, hope everything is going well your end? Xx
@@PetitePrimary It's getting better I think. Xx
So sorry for you that you had to go through this but you were strong and came out on TOP. I also had a cause for concern raised by my mentor in my first placement. Luckily my university tutor was very helpful in helping me through it and encouraging me with practical help like going through my lesson plans to help them to be more in line with what they wanted.
That's really good you got the support and thank you so much for sharing your story. Hopefully this will give additional hope to anyone out there who might be going through a similar thing xx
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Aw haha, that's so sweet 💕 Thank you xx
Such an amazing idea and video to talk about your experience as a teacher. Sorry you got upset. Well done for getting so many subscribers
. Amazing advice and encouragement for newly qualified teachers.
Thank you! It was about time I shared it 😊 I always appreciate your support Maxine xx
@@PetitePrimary that’s true. Your welcome. Thanks for the support you give me to
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Powerful video ❤️
Thank you so much Justine 😊
Hi! I’ve come from one of your other videos and wanted to find out more as I’m just starting my pgce next week.. I do feel that this seems a very unjust and blunt assessment. I have worked as a TA for boys who struggle with behaviour and wandering around the classroom sounds like a DREAM disruption 😂 I’m really sorry you experienced that as I feel like if it was a different observer that would have been a drop in the ocean and not knocked your confidence xx hope you feel better about it these days
Hi Claire, thanks for tolerating me for more than one video 😂 It was horrid at the time and added further stress where not needed but I got through it and that's the message I really wanted to share ❤️
This video has helped my mental sooo much I have just experienced this with my school mentor and university mentor and have been feeling defeated all week😭
I'm sorry to hear this 😔 message me on Insta @thepetiteprimary if you want to talk about it xx
I'm a SEN LSA and I go kickboxing. If I didn't go for it, I'd have felt burnt out very soon. Plus I'm starting my training in September (Scitt), hopefully it goes well. In the dojo it's all a family and it's so therapeutic. Every adult needs some activity that they like, build friendships and become better at night to get up for a brighter morning.
That's a nice tip.
My mentor asked me “are you sure you want to be a teacher are you even enjoying this?” scarred me forever…
Oh my goodness, why...? I need an update! When was this? Did you continue? Did you finish your training?
I have had a very similar experience in my second placement. 2 weeks in I got cause for concern and university requires the school to give me 2 weeks extra to improve. They decided to let me go as the teacher shouted at me infront of TA and pupils and I took this to the head of the school and they didn’t support me 😩 doing my third placement now! Thank you for being brave ❤️🙏🏽
Hi Divya,
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm so sorry this happened to you, sounds like it was a very unfair and unhealthy environment. I hope your current placement is going a lot smoother and you have the opportunity to thrive. Thanks again for watching and commenting xx
Your mentor sounded really unprofessional. Unfortunately it is not fair at all, as I saw PGCE students who are poor pass.
It is obvious that you care deeply about teaching and children. You need to flip this.....the people assessing you were YOUR teachers...after hearing your story here I think they need to assess themselves! It is obvious from the way you explain and how it affected you that frankly THEY fell short. You should have felt supported, understood and positive going forward from the meeting no matter how the class had gone. Awful as this experience was for you, you'll be an even more amazing teacher because of it. Keep your lovely chin up Miss P x
Hi Sam, my goodness, what a lovely comment! Thank you so so much. Everyday we grow and reflect in this profession which I continue to do so, though at that time it wasn't easy to move on from. I hope you're well and that your journey is smoother xx
with Scitts when do you start teaching? Is it literally as soon as you start the placement? Do you do a lot of observing first? What’s the time frame? Thanks x
Hi Rossella, thanks for the question. Generally it seems that the first week is mostly observing, however, you might run a little group or interventions etc. They encourage you to start teaching by week 2. That being said, it's important not to compare your journey with another and if you feel confident, teach in the first week if you feel up to it! When you start your SCITT though, they'll go over expectations and things like that so don't worry x
I wonder what kind of educator has achieved such a wonderful success that a trainee is so traumatised. It is not fair and very often the feedback is too harsh. Education is about leading and learning from mistakes not leaving such a negative impact. Thank you for the video, wishing you all the best.
It's part of my journey, so I wouldn't change it, but I didn't enjoy it at the time! Thank you for your well wishes. Whereabouts are you on your teacher journey?
So glad my PGCE and NQT days are over. Bunch of bullshit at times. For real, for real!
Are you still teaching now?
Fantastic, thank you for sharing! I had a similar experience but never had the chance to recover from it, my tutor told me to suspend and now have been due to return since April, can't find a school that is accepting placements atm, not all schools see students as key workers where I am. I just wondered, you said you fought to come back from your support and require improvement, what did you do? My tutor wouldn't budge on her opinion.
Hi Frances, thanks for commenting and sharing. Are you expected to find your own training placement then?
Following the cause for concern I had an intervention plan put in place alongside the normal, regular targets you're given. In the next meeting, my mentor and I had to give proof that I was meeting the targets of the intervention plan. Around January the plan was dropped as I had proven it all, but some additional targets to "make sure I stayed in track" were given. Afterwards, I got more check ups than others to "see how I was doing." So that's how I had to prove myself in order for my grading to go from cause for concern to good.
Hope that makes sense and helps xx
@@PetitePrimary not entirely, but my tutor has asked that I try and find one, she's had a few schools drop out of taking students so it's a worry! Each school that says no makes me think will I ever get back on the course? They're either full or not having any students this year.
Yes that does help, you did so, so we'll to come out of that! I think when you're monitored more closely it adds to your stress, that's what I couldn't cope with, I couldn't see myself coming out of it, I wasn't given a chance though, I was only 2 weeks into my spring placement (still in the induction weeks!) and I found it horrendous, during the whole time I was told to suspend, I'd done well on the Autumn placement so I thought no I'll try, to no avail. It was not a supportive environment though, which makes all the difference x
@@franceselizabeth5702 I hope wherever you find is more supportive for you. In my last video about find work experience, there's a link in the description that helps you find placements. Maybe search your location and if there's anywhere available, maybe consider reaching out to them? Xx
So sorry that you had to go through this. Hope this is sorted and ended all good for you. What Uni did you go to?
Thank you for sharing. I am so terrified of something like this happening on my course. I haven’t gone into schools yes, but from late November I’ll start my first placement. I heard my first school is really nice and the ofsted a few years ago said the behaviour is very good! So I hope it will be a nice place to start training.
Behaviour is something we all need to deal with at teachers but as you said it is hard. With all the other things to do behaviour management on top is one of the hardest things because it can create stress, especially for new teachers.
It sounds like the feedback you were given was really hard. I think it is right for you to say if this or that was good for them, and that you know your students. I’m sure there are things that could have gone better. But I sounds like some more understanding in your feedback would have been more appropriate. You were a new trainee. You’re not going to get everything right. There was still so much to learn. It sounds like it was unfair to say the whole class was out of control because it sounds like that wasn’t the case. And again, I think if you feel like feedback is unfair it’s right to say how that behaviour compares to other days. It’s just ok to say it could have been better too.
It sounds like they just really didn’t listen to you or consider the bigger picture. I think they were too harsh. Really sorry no one stuck up for you more at that time. You shouldn’t have been left feeling that way.
I worked in a day school in China. In grade four there were so many difficult classes. One class in particular was so difficult because so many of the class were naughty. I didn’t have many BM techniques and even things we would use here weren’t so possible in the cultural / school context over there.
I found BM easier In classes when it was maybe two or three students but once it starts becoming more consistently it gets really hard. In those harder classes i would spend more time on BM than teaching.
It caused me huge stress but at least over there I didn’t have the pressures of observations. Literally no one cared haha!
But the fact I had other classes that were so lovely and enjoyed the lessons I did told me it wasn’t just that I was a bad teacher. Moreover, I found out that all the Chinese teachers found those other classes really difficult too. Just it may have been easier for them because they could tell them off in Chinese and probably contact the parents which would scare them haha!
Wow Ruth, thanks for the long comment, you must've taken so much time out of your day to write this!
I agree with like everything you said haha and I must admit that's one thing I like about PPA. If I feel like I had a tough class or a bad lesson, I talk to them and often they had the same experience. It helps remind me I'm not a bad teacher it was just a bad lesson or a bad day for them. When you're in training, unless you do multiple placements, you often don't get that privilege so can get caught up on negative lessons or negative feedback because you think it's all you.
I'm glad you have had that experience too or at least confirmation from other staff that they have difficulties with BM of those children too.
Thanks again for watching and supporting me with this and generally xx
@@PetitePrimary Haha... I was having my Saturday morning wifi on my phone in the kitchen (since it doesn't reach my room well rofl!). I will have two placement schools that should contrast in some ways on my course. I think it's always good to be aware of how much context influences everything. But I am glad you shared because I have seen similar stories. I want to be prepared for the worst but I do really really hope nothing like this will happen. I'm sure you're a great teacher and the PGCE is called ITT anyway for initial teacher training... you don't know it all at the end of the year and continue to learn as you go on :) xx
You never stop learning that's for sure! I'm sure your placement will go well. Tbh, that was one of my main hesitations about posting this video, I didn't want to put people off or scare them before they started because not everybody goes through this xx
Whether we get a pswp after completing this course as an international student and a stay back
Sorry, I don't understand your comment. I'm not very familiar with the process for international students
Need to be careful going into schools. Everything you do and say is being mentally recorded!!
I felt the same as you for my first placement last year for secondary. I think tutors need to tell the truth, but some of them can be on the verge of being impolite or bullies.
I think the lesson here is to just put on a shallow smile and nod to their feedback, and don't say much otherwise you can dig a hole.
It also doesn't help that universities don't always give back up in these situations. You are being graded essentially by a third party and not the University (not sure how this works for schools direct). They can do whatever they want and treat you whatever way they want. No one tells you this going into your PGCE!
I was wary of uploading this but I thought that if a school couldn't acknowledge my passion and growth from experience and that they use my first month of training "against" me, maybe its not the supportive environment I need to be in.
I definitely tried to put on the shallow smile and nod, but I also think that just because we're trainees doesn't mean we can't voice our opinion or explain the situation. It's a fine line between that and being viewed as defensive sadly.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience in secondary. May I know what happened?
I have heard of some extremely supportive universities and others that offered no support, to the point that the student just had to leave the placement instead! I did a PGCE with a university but my actual teacher training was with a SCITT partnership so I can't really comment on that.
Thanks for commenting 😊
@@PetitePrimary Thank you for sharing your story, too, despite it being upsetting. It is not acceptable for teachers you work with to be grouchy or give unreasonable or discouraging feedback. Comments should be given within reason. I felt like I was starting to get the hang of the teaching routine and felt I fit into the department fine, until some negative comments were said to me, that made the smile and enthusiasm wipe off my face. Atmosphere and dynamic between me and teachers I was working with changed. It was awkward.
Student teachers do not deserve this. We are not getting paid a penny to do this work, there is no respect and this should change - but it won't.
To put a long story short, the first school I worked with were not supportive. Asking to redo lesson plans (3 pages for 1 lesson wasn't detailed enough, apparently). Not willing to share what they would do for a lesson, or activity ideas/worksheets. Accused of being unprofessional for asking in a lesson if they should copy down a note. Getting into trouble for not knowing where pens, scissors, test tubes etc are in classroom. Being accused of saying and doing various things. Not being included in conversations. Be extremely careful what you say. Some people you work with are total psychopaths or just control freaks. The university/people don't understand how much this affects us, especially as a first experience 😭😭😭😭
@@AC-tn9hg I'm so sorry to hear all that 😞 That sounds like a tough year too. Where are you now in your journey? Are you happier now? Xx
That is exactly the problem. The University lecturers and school mentors, have been getting away with bullying for a long time. I think @PetitePrimary and others who get onto youtube and tell the truth about what is going on - really have warned people away from doing the PGCE. Numbers of candidates are at an all time low. I believe this is down to trainees being bullied.
Hi. I was wondering if there is any way we can get in touch, because I've just got cause for concern from a lesson I did two days ago. Please any advice will help. Thanks
Hi Zino,
Sorry to hear that, feel free to message me on Instagram @thepetiteprimary xx
It happened to me both diring the pgce and nqt year.
Unfortunately, some schools are far from being supportive.
Sorry to hear about this Giani, what happened in the end of both situations? Xx
@@PetitePrimary i passed the pgce, but they decided my outcome at the last week. During the nqt year, the first assessment went badly, so i looked for a more supportive school and passed with outstanding.
@@giani1680 oh wow, that's an incredible end result! What a success story xx
@@PetitePrimary in a sense it is. Shame that I had to change school in order to fluorish. However, i cannot communicate my stories, while you do that brilliantly.
That's another weakness to work on
@@giani1680 I'd have preferred a plain sailing experience too, but that's just the journey we were sent on and we need to embrace it and how it's formed us as professionals ☺️
I had it happen to me and I left later in the course. No support from the teacher training provider whatsoever. I felt ganged up on by two main people. I came out a wrose teacher then what I went in.
I'm so sorry to hear that Chris 😟 Do you think you will ever try again in future?
@@PetitePrimary I went back but sceptical... I was secondary and some universities are giving QTS out like sweets :-) so it definitely is not a fair system.
@@chriswantstomakeit I didn't go the uni route so I can't really comment on that but I'm glad you gave yourself another shot. Would be horrid if they put you off to the extent you no longer pursued the career xx
@@PetitePrimary put off happened to a few people. I even know someone who was barred (failed). So, in my experience the teacher training providers do differ. I withdrew, and was told if the university fail me, I'd be barred.
@@chriswantstomakeit oh wow, I see. What a horrid situation to be in 😬
The system of the PGCE with constant feedback is an absolute disaster. They should just leave teachers alone and let them get on with it.
Thank you for sharing your opinion
I was on cause for concern as well but taught for three years. Did schooldirect
Do you think only about teaching or play tennis like your Tennis Paris Brothers? 😂😂😂😂
No I don't play tennis
That sounds really horrible. Sorry you had to deal with unfair comments and an insensitive attitude.
Thank you Nanette, that's very kind. Have you ever dealt with anything similar? Xx
Sounds like you were bullied,
Bullied is a strong word but at the time it definitely didn't feel fair
The whole mentor stories have put me off teaching.
There are some incredible ones out there though, ones that make a person's journey! Please don't let it put you off xx