Did Nichol Kessinger Manipulate Chris Watts? | Passionate Phase of Romance
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2019
- This video answers the question: How did the dynamics of the Chris Watts - Nichol Kessinger affair contribute to the Watts family murders? The dynamics in this affair appear to be a critical factor in this case. One theory of the dynamics is that Chris Watts was introverted and insecure and Nichol Kessinger was confident, extraverted, and experienced in romantic relationships. This may have led to a power differential that unintentionally contribute to the horrific murders. I review the role that immaturity, the passionate stage of romance, and impulsivity may have had in this case.
Vulnerable narcissism is characterized by shame, anger, aggression, hypersensitivity, a tendency to be introverted, defensive, avoidant, anxious, depressed, socially awkward, and shy.
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Even If nichole was the most manipulative woman on earth no one can force anyone to kill their children this is 100% on him
Really... Tell that to the manson followers...
Exactly!! I don’t not understand why people like the blame game . Blaming another for ones actions are just insane to me . People can say a lot of things another NK but it doesn’t make much sense . I have been cheated on myself, however I have never blamed the other woman . NK had no commitment to Shanann, nor did she owe her any kind of loyalty. Chris knew he was married . Chris also decided to wipe his entire family out . Smh
@@loribenvenuto4679 What does this have to do with the Mason case ? 🤨
Thank you! She sounds awful but at the end of the day Chris was the husband and father and he responsible for his family not NK. As messed up as it is, NK really didn’t owe Shanan anything, even though I don’t agree with her involvement to a married man. I’m not sure why people are acting like she is worse than Chris, who had an affair while HE was married and then murdered his pregnant wife and children.
Seems to me she lead him on . because she wanted Shananne's life. She thought they had money.
She had been spying on thier lives before the Affair.
Nichol obviously has issues. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if she manipulated the whole situation unintentionally. Saying things like, "go be with your kids" is a manipulation tactic by an insecure person to put someone in a position where they have to choose them over someone else. When my wife and I separated, I starting dating a girl I went to high school with. One night I got a text from her asking me to meet her at the bar, even though she knew it was my night with my daughter. She got all salty when I said no, and tried manipulating me into doing what she wanted by putting me in a position to choose her or my daughter. Unfortunately for her, I'm not a moron. I told her point blank that she would not come before my daughter that night, or any other night...ever. That was the end of that relationship, and I'm glad I got out as fast as I did!
You are a good Dad👍
Smart decision. That woman might be a narcissist for doing that to you.
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Sam N Fam. Good on you mate, I admire you & thanks for sharing your story. Cheers.
Good man. Yes I totally agree with your analysis of Nicole's possible manipulation of Watts. It's so weird. I mean even to this day with Watts in prison for the rest of his he still is protecting Nicole. This whole mess is psychologically twisted.
Everyone overlooks that her long time friend Jim came from out of town to stay in her apartment with her when watts decided he had to kill his family. THAT is what created the sense of psychotic urgency in his mind that he was going to lose Nicole. I am sure she used her relationship with her friend Jim, and the fact that he was coming to stay with her, in her apartment to get Chris jealous. Because he went out of town with Shannan so she had to show him what that felt like. That is how things like this happen. Everyone cheating and lying and playing mind games with people and not realizing how dangerous it is for the innocent people caught in the crossfire of their selfishness.
Well said
excellent point
Agreed. Whether it was the "final straw" or not ... that whole: Hey, no worries. I'm having a male friend stay in my apartment anyway, so ... it's cool. That was such unnecessary game playing ... and extremely immature.
@@joanneblack7697 Yup. Cheating is evil and it leads nowhere good.
Well said ..
I get it. He was desperate for that feeling he felt with Nicole, because he spent so much time being depressed. He didn't like or care for his daughters, and his wife no longer stimulated him in an enjoyable way. Simply put, he uses people to make him feel good, and if you don't do that, you are expendable.
Very well said!
You nailed it
How can one not like or care for their own kids? I just dnt get that part
A. Chris is to blame for what he did.
B. Shanann could have been a horrible raging manipulative bitch around the house, we dont know.
C. Women can punch so many buttons with men, they can make them totally crazy, and men do the same with women.
D. Nobody knows what goes on between a married couple. Not even their kids sometimes.
It can be a war zone. But we dont really know.
simply put he wanted to be relieved of the financial responsibilities of a wife and three children. It has been widely reported he was upset about their financial situation and wanted to downscale He could not see his way clear to any kind of life if he had ongoing obligations to support them.He was trapped.
I almost fell over when I learned they were only dating 3 months!! They were both deluded. Had they allowed to play this out, move in together etc, real life would have quickly set in, and they both would have seen that their existing issues would have followed them and it would have been done and dusted within a year.
By that stage Shannan would have moved on, and no doubt found herself a real man to step up like he couldn't.
Just all heartbreaking and a waste of beautiful lives for fleeting feelings.
Chris Watts is a simpleton. About as colorful as a glass of water. I cant believe he thought he'd get away with it. Dude dumped their bodies at his place of work. Like WTF? He couldn't think of another place that's not connected to him?? And he was so bad at lying and acting innocent.. He just didn't have the brains to pull it off.
Mina Cerracchio Three months is a lifetime compared to Scott Peterson. He met Amber Frye in late November, within two weeks he buys the boat to dump Laci’s body. By Christmas Eve he killed her and their baby. Both these guys were monsters but Peterson is in a league all his own. What I question is why they are still alive? Shoulda be executed along time ago.
BREAKING NEWS!! C Wats & NK were “dating” only 9 WEEKS before he killed Shanann & the children!!! NINE WEEKS 👺🤬😵😳
to be fair I think they were acquainted way before the affair went into full gear. Nicole was googling Shannan's name and stalking her Facebook back in 2017 according to her search history.
Mina, it wasn’t 3 months, IT WAS 6 WEEKS!!!
NK telling CW that she wanted to give him his first son, despite knowing that Shanann was already pregnant with Nico is more than a little suspect, aye?
You know, in my humble opinion, that statement “that SHE wanted to give him a son” speaks volumes. She must have REALLY loved him; women only feel that when they truly love the other person.
Opps, damn! I hadn’t finished my thought when SWOOSH! The msg was sent before I was done! So please forgive me if imAnyway , an assisted living place would take me because one of me falling so often.
And I DID have a “plan” in place. I had managed to save a few thousand $$
Away in cash & had & 10,000 in a savings/ checking account. But then I was hit with all these medical problems, I have congestive diastolic heart failure, Chromic obstruction Pulmonary disease, & NOW have renal disease, too.
So, I do try to remain hopeful & with any help from God, I pray 🙏 He will take me quietly while I sleep once night !!! That way I won’t be struggling on the floor, flipping around like a fish out of water!
So, as the saying goes: “The best laid plans of mice & men are often torn asunder.”
Oh come on. She obviously really felt something for him. Nobody, absolutely nobody knew the monster inside Watts not even Shanann.
@@Will-nb8qk Makes you wonder who might be lurking around in our lives, seemingly "normal" but quietly ticking inside.
Hitchcock used to remind us repeatedly that things and people aren't always what we perceive!
This case has me wondering about the potential darkness in people, it’s a scary thought
yes. it makes me afraid to trust anyone.
Makes me wondering about my spouse. Can we really trust the person that’s supposed to love us?
I started watching this thinking it was fiction. It got me nightmares. Some time before watching this, I found out a guy that I used to train with the gym was arrested for having the body of a dead man for 4 months in his apartment. I think I am still scarred from the horrors a human being can do
Yes we all have darkness in us. It's really scary. I often can see/feel energi of dark/ unhappy/ narsisstic people. They have darkness and no selfcontrol. You can very easy manipulate them. You have to be very careful what you say, if you don't want to make them angry and hurt you.
Trust no one! Even your own family!!
NK appeared to be flirting with the police during the interviewing. She did not appear to take this serious at all. I think she should be responsible for this too.
She was actually calling one the lead detectives so much, at all hours of the day & night, that he had himself removed from the case!
Let's just talk about violating another woman's home. I would never enter another woman's home uninvited regardless of the state of their marriage.
Nola Clarke Yes, but unfortunately it happen often. My ex brought his sluts to my home, had sex in my bed, used my HAIRBRUSH & dressing gown!! When I confronted him, he shrugged his shoulders say:” It’s my house, too, & it was convenient!! What scum bag 😡
i bet they screwed in the master bedroom
And used her Lexus. I know this sounds minor but shannann worked her ass off to earn that Lexus and for Chris Twatts to drive his twatt around in shannann's truck is such a slap in the face
Bonnie Long i would’ve beat him tf up!
It made her feel special and powerful. She wanted to be the winner, it was competition to her. Unfortunately when I was married I had a woman friend that wanted me, then when my marriage broke up she was not interested in me at all. Unfortunately this is a fault in human nature.
Who kills their spouse and children after meeting someone less than 2 months prior. His actions are nonsensical and they anger me.
In his mind I think he's killed them over and over through the yrs.
He didn't become a psychopath/sociopath over 6 weeks.
Not to mention, you’re never going to get that relationship you want if you’re in prison. You can’t just make your family disappear and move on. Divorce your wife if you must. Give her custody even. That’s the best you can do.
But killing them? Putting aside how f’up that is, it’s just stupid and makes no sense. What a dumba$$.
He’s clearly a pushover cud be abused as kid his parents are strange
@@seanmatthewking true, it doesn’t make any sense, but one thing not brought up in this video is that money played a part I believe.
@@seanmatthewking He wanted to avoid paying alimony and child support. It would have been very expensive with 3 kids.
I'm so sick of him getting away with everything.. people blame his wife for being controlling.. his mistress for manipulating him to murder his family.. he even tried to say his wife was harming the children (and actually murdered them so he killed her) his mother just leaves me sick and speechless when I listen to the jail visits between them. (She has extremely unhealthy blinkers on when it comes to her son..)
He just can't take responsibility for anything and I doubt he ever has. Now the public want to help him?
It makes me CRANKY!
Lol. He's in prison for life, I don't think he got away with anything....
@@zaxxthe7th464 I agree with that sentiment, that he shouldn't even be brought up, except to help catch other killers.
Amen! NK was his ticket out of that relationship. He had cheated on SW before and tried to play out a rape fantasy with a woman he met on a dating ap. He was trained since he was a child that nothing was ever his fault. No telling how much he blamed SW for thus fueling his contempt and hatred for her. I believe he blamed his daughters for being obstacles to his true happiness. The amount of hatred you have to have to choke three family members is tremendous. That wasn't so much about NK as it was that he felt entitled. NK may have lit the match, but with CW, the gun was already loaded.
@@osio7528 it's people making excuses and trying to make something out of nothing by blaming everyone else.
@@We_Are_All_Vultures I agree NO ONE made Chris do anything not shanna, the little girls, NK, his mum &/or his dad it was all evil Chris
How was she not freaked out about knowing somebody that killed his children to be with her???
On some level she was probably somewhat flattered.
@@bobshenix no she was freaked out. See her interviews.
@@jeneka0989 yeah, she acted more flattered than horrified, her fake crying was pathetic.
@@kublakhan2342 fakest cry I ever heard
Perhaps she is suffering terribly maybe private person and is so loathed . Who would listen to her side. Let he without sin cast the first stone.
I don't believe a word NK says. She wasn't some teenager. She was a 30-year-old woman. Innocent people don't have their phones wiped. Plus, she contradicts herself to many times.
@Ellie MarieYou Think? Embarassed and TERRIFIED possibly ... Yet a book deal was mentioned - this is a very strange pair of people we are talking about here...
@@argileaustralia3854 yes the book from this mistress will be coming. At least Amber Frye didn't know Scott was married. Watts far outdid scott with depravity.
Ellie Marie Lmao wow that’s not the point, you wouldn’t wipe your phone clean right before you go to turn your boyfriend in to the police for murdering his family ffs, she’s so guilty she was prob granted immunity
EC123 no just no
Almost 98%of crime similar to this always involves with a mistress who has no Soul No Dignity No Consideration to other people around, it just always bothers me why few female seem doesn't consider Consequences of there actions 😕😡😤
I think Watts’ major difficulty is that he had been dominated by a strong mother who insisted he think, feel, and behave exactly as she demanded, and he did. He could barely think for himself, and basically did as he was told.
He had no real substantive relationships with women until he got with Shannan, and he brought his unresolved baggage from childhood with him. He could have worked through this with Shannan, but he wasn’t really cognizant of it.
When Nikki came onto him, he perceived she was allowing him to be himself, and he idealized her as the perfect female nurturer for himself. Unfortunately, his ugly inner conflicts surfaced, and Shannan became the symbol of the evil controlling, rejecting, and suffocating female he had hated deep down his whole life. He was willing to kill to be free of that hell, and he did. Sadly, it was senseless and heartless, and it solved nothing. He’s no closer to understanding himself now than he ever was.
best comment about the case.... He did not hate Shannan, he hated his narcissistic mother who made his childhood hell...presumably...personally I would make therapy mandatory in schools
Agree
Bingo
In a video’s she said, “..he’ll do whatever I tell him to do”. That statement is powerful. I think there were years of resentment building up, from his childhood, from the situation with her and his parents, and possibly when confronted about the affair. She was angry and let him know that she was going to make his life a living hell. Little did she know, in his mind, it already was.
She actually said she had Chris programmed.
Great statement. I also want to say that people who constantly talk about how great , wonderful, in love they are , are covering-something not good going on. There was something wrong for a long time. She thought if she could present it the way she wanted it , it would be that way in life
Who...Shannon or Nicole...
@@stevewalther2293 Shannan said that. She did flaunt her control of Chris. That doesn't justify murder though
Who said it did? But to deny that it was a huge component is moronic.
He knew when he started feeling unhappy. He should have told his wife. That's why communication is so important in marriages.
Watch CHRIS Watts video on relationship you will see the irony of it all
Yes I saw that interview. She did not seem shocked to me, she seemed like she was trying to act shocked. Not only is she kind of sketchy as a person, she's a very bad actress
Sounded fake af. And the giggle from that recorded call sounds totally diabolic. No wonder they call her wich!
Dr. Grande: No one is particularly good at telling when someone is lying.
And you:. She's lying.
@@SewerKid1 Her lies were apparent because of inconsistencies she told during her police interviews. She could have been charged with a felony for lying to police.
She sounded tired to me and uninterested.
Junelle Salmon -maybe just bored? The thrill of the hunt to capture Chris was over & she was possibly ready to move on to a new “partner”?? Regardless, CW & NK were a great match made in the gutter. Those 3 beautiful children deserved a LOT more than just CW’s DNA. RIP😔
NK searched up book deals, her credibility from then on was seriously flawed. CW searched up what It feels like to be in love. Narcissistic characteristics. No feeling, no guilt. Completely deadened. Talks about his wife and children so matter of fact, no feelings attached.
There is another car that drives up in front of the drive as Chris is loading the bodies. Her car GPS shows she was in the area at the time, and she deleted her text messages. No excuse for them not subpoenaing her cell phone records to review the deleted messages. Didn't he send a text, "It's done." Plus she checked out how much money did Scott Peterson's mistress make on her book deal. Why was her dad there at each interview. Why didn't they push harder, look in her apartment, check out her Wiccan religion, and the drug induced rituals she took part in and which I believe Chris had begun to participate in. Her Dad is open Wiccan, and doesn't Nicole have a relative high up in the police department and her dad is a freemason? It's something to continue to explore to see if we have proof.
Quote...I never thought I would spend the rest of my life in Prison... CWs words. He really thought he would get away with Murder again
I can't get over the way Watts disposed of his children's bodies. What kind of person would be capable of being so depraved?
What kind of person? Chris of course.
I believe he didn't kill his two children. The one who did it is his new mistress Nichol kessinger that's why chris watts took them with him alive. Even when he confessed first he said "he didn't touch the babies, she did it" meaning his new mistress gf and not shannon
I’m just venturing a guess here but I imagine it’s the kind of person who would kill his own babies. The betrayal of his oldest child was heartless & cruel, he deserves to burn in HELL! I HOPE those demons GET HIM!!!!
Simply to evil for Words.
@@bonnielong5812 Drugs ?
In the movie “The Devil’s Advocate” Satan (Al Pacino) tells Keanu Reeves, “Vanity is my favorite sin. It’s such a small sin that we don’t give it much thought. But all sins derive from vanity.” Chris fell into morbid vanity and thought he deserved anything he wanted to the point that he killed his entire family to acquire his desires.
Good point
Nicely done... love that movie
Interesting point
Yep and she is vain as hell
Great film btw
NK is the kind of woman who says things like "I wanted to give you a first son"; "I can't be with you if you are still married. And while you and shenann share custody of the kids... She'll always be a part of your life...." So...she doesn't straight up say "Get rid of your family...."
But she manipulated his thinking process....
my thoughts exactly
How much of that is actual quotes? And how much of it is conjecture?
EXACTLY
mean while giving him her brown eye as a bonus gift
You literally have no idea what kind of woman NK is.
There is much more to this girl. Something very very shady (aside from the affair). I think she had more to do with this than we know.
Neither the Frederick Police Dept, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation or the FBI agreed with you big girl. Nice attempt at pretending to be nancy drew though🙄
I don’t think Chris wanted to pay alimony and child support. Men hate that!
He wanted his freedom ended up in jail he wanted free of money obligations and ended up owing Shananns parents 6 million well done!!!!!
that a crude generalisation
@@johndonaldson3619 Okay then, men love paying child support and alimony!
ofcourse he didn't, who would like that you mean?
@@anitaneal1779 women love to take all mens money, because women are so independent
I found this to be a really interesting take on things. Particularly when you spoke on their immaturity. I found them both to be extraordinarily childish in their interviews. They were both inarticulate and even used a lot of similar "valley girl" type vernacular. I saw an older version of Chris Watts speaking to a group of people about (of all things) how to keep your marriage alive and happy. In that video he spoke with a southern accent and never used the word "like" which he and Nichol did incessantly during their interviews. And while I don't believe she had anything directly to do with the murders, I can't help but weigh in on the female side of things. In one of their last text messages he let her know that he wouldnt be able to see her for a while since Shan'Ann was coming home, to which she responded: "That's fine. I have my other guy friends to hang out with. You do what you have to do."
As a female, I find that to be a mind game. I think she _was_ pushing him, and he panicked. It certainly would explain the poor planning and the hurried murder.
I guess we'll never know, but I think they're both cold as stone. You know what they say about like minds... I mention this because after finding out about what happened, she Googled something about a book deal and Amber Frey's share in that deal. To me, that's ice cold timing.
Thanks, Dr. Grande. 👍
Excellent points, I agree they both appeared indifferent and cold -
@A BC A little late for doubts, friend.
@@DrGrande NK did not show much concern for the wife and kids and their family or even for her own involvement; just how she was going to look.
@A BC well, you're certainly entitled to your subjectiver opinion.
@A BC I am not sure why it triggers Hermlock Gnomes either, or myself for that matter! I think because I find it sort of repulsive that she "had her doubts about him" but that didn't stop her from an affair with him. She should have had her doubts, and in fact, she should have not become involved with him. I get it, it's a free country and adultery or extramarital affairs are not against the law, but look at her shallow view. I believe them both to be personality disordered, and clearly whatever the reason or motivation for Watts' murder of his wife, unborn child and two girls is just so disgusting. There is divorce court. I really found Dr Grande's points about affairs and their shallow nature to be so spot on.
I have just finished reading the book "The Perfect Father", by John Glatt, which describes the events of June-August 2018 in great detail. I think that Shannan's 6-week stay in North Carolina allowed the affair between Nichol Kessinger and Chris Watts to develop and flourish in her absence. Until I read the book, I wasn't aware that Shannan had gone with the kids to her family's home in North Carolina for 6 weeks, giving the NK-CW affair to explode and compel the two participants into an out of body orbit. If there had not been that long separation, I think the affair would have had a much slower pace and would not have been as exciting for them. They would have had to deal with Chris's family life, which would interfere with the affair, and they would constantly have to juggle those demands, plus always having the stress of secrecy.
But the intense experience of the affair without the presence of Shanann and the kids in the background created a fairy tale feeling so intense that upon the return of Shanann, Chris was overwhelmed with the reality of his life with a woman he no longer loved. He probably felt cheated and betrayed by life...he was shown a version of (to him) paradise, the way things could be, but oh no, that's not going to happen. It's back to the daily grind of Shannan and the kids. But evidently he realized that he was not going to put up with it, and took the ghastly steps to get rid of his family.
He didn't even wait, try to give it time, see how things worked out with the separation, go ahead with the divorce and wait to restart his affair with Nichol. Nope! As soon as Shanann and the kids were home he became desperate and wasted no time in getting rid of them.
I totally agree. In his prison interview he said something like he was able to forget what it was like having a family for those weeks they were away. Having young kids is very tough, they demand all your attention. Then add in that he knew he had another child on the way. He wanted those weeks of freedom to continue. I think the murders were impulsive. This case is so fascinating and so so sad.
Ah, Pamela Harvey, the immaturity of these two (Chris and Nicole) was really highlighted to me by your phrase "If there had not been that long separation ..." i.e. Shannan and kids went away for 6 weeks. That's a heck of a short amount of time, really, to be separated. You'd think she was away for 6 months or a year. Six weeks is one thing for deciding to have an affair ... but to murder his whole family ... wow.
Smdh
Hello missy. There is more to this storY. TRUST AND BELIEVE.
@@davidthejuggler6754
I hope so because what we have as of now doesn’t make any sense.
Nichol was just the "new hot thing" for Chris, she would have been replaced eventually.
Or murdered her and any kids they had he is defo psychopathic.
@@explorer0213 agreed
And she might be the one who ended Chris Watts' life, considering how jealous she was of Shanaan and kids. She would not be able to handle it if Chris watts moved on to another girl.
@@hearty1240 you have to admit would have been nice to see her end him. Hes the damn devil.
Giggety
Nicole definitely lied in the interview with detectives to protect herself. Plus, her dad was in the interview room with her during the interview. I found that strange. She’s 30 years old. Why was her dad in this interview with her. I wonder if her parents had always taken care of problems in her life for her. This might also have been the reason she feels so empowered, as she was able to get support when she was actually in the wrong.
I think it's possible that Nicole Kessinger actually liked the idea of being a mistress. She appears to be an average looking girl but it seems like Chris Watts put her on a pedestal, which was probably an ego boost for her. Also the whole fact that she was looking at wedding dresses speaks volumes. If she viewed the relationship as "casual" then she would definitely not be thinking of marriage.
and she was also looking up how to have anal s** . she was determined to hook him , even if it included giving him her brown eye! once she did that it was game over, he probably couldn't get the image out of his head.
Absolutely. There is a list a mile long of red flags concerning her. She knew he was married…she even stated “she didn’t care & had made up her mind.” So, so many lies as well.
I'm glad to see y'alls comment. We can read through master manipulators. She was calculative with the things she said. Nichol telling Chris she wanted to give him his 1st son knowing damn well it was going to be Shannan. She knew what she was doing.
I dated a narc for 5 years. They're not shy. It's another way of manipulation. Playing the shy, quiet, innocent person. All the while they're are studying you.
And planning how to manipulate what you divulge.
@@explorer0213 Everything you say can and WILL be used against you.
I actually think he was avoidant.
Three of the four narcs ive known are not shy at all.
Yep..covert narcissist. I dated one for 3 yrs. They are actors. They don't feel normal emotions. So they fake it to try to blend in. But they are empty vessels
People need to realize that the only reason she was not charged is because Chris pleaded guilty almost immediately, to everything.
The police went through this womans phone(search history, etc). She was looking up Shanann like she was obsessed with her. How could she have "not known" that Shanann was pregnant. She was lying during those interviews and she had a lot of other questionable searches. No I don't think it's necessarily her fault that CW did this. Ultimately he made the decision to end his family's lives. But I do think that some one on the side cheering on a narcissistic psychopath like CW could push the issue and be a bad mix.. even if she had no part or no idea of his plan, her search history(and location) is very strange and too much of a coincidence.
Well said.
I also think her use of drug and meth could be a factor that caused changes inside Chris’ brain functions. She might not kill but she led him to kill.
Being a horrible human isn't illegal.
@@darkcrystalmagik3369but m*rder is. Cry about it
@@darkcrystalmagik3369RE YOU SERIOUS? so what it’s not illegal??? so shit people like you can go and manipulate and hurt others?? Karma sees you
I divorced, it wasn't easy, but now everything is ok.. For new divorcees: Don't despair, things will fall in place eventually.
Thanks and I hope so...
Funny, you're subscribed to quite a few of the same things I've been into as well ^_^ heh 😏
@@kilssj2250 nice to meet you, I bet there are a lot like us 😊.
One thing that always bothered me was Chris Watts telling the police how Bella had begged for her life. I know he's a murderer, but just that statement showed how indifferent he was to her begging for her life. I would have kept that to myself.
I’m not laughing but that’s funny “I would have kept that to myself” Me too!
Absolutely! If ANYTHING shows what a frigging MONSTER he is....it's that admission! I damned SURE would've kept that to myself had I been Chris...one reason for allowing it to slip may've been that he got lost in thought... or caught up in the telling of his tale...as if he were in some sort of reverie...
Ihope when he closes his eyes at night all he sees are these beautiful little angels and baby Necco with a halo and his beautiful Wife ! May he never get a nites rest again! Burn in hell Chris!
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@@cherylcrozier5793 I think you meant baby Nico. Not baby necco wafer. I'm not trying to be hateful, I just thought it was funny.
IMO, they admired and were drawn to each other’s immaturity level most. They mistook careLESS, reckless compulsion for carefree magnetic, spontaneity, flattered and reveled in the other’s spotlight. Affairs =selfishly secretive , powerful high, like BEST dope rush on earth. Ironically, it’s the most commonplace, predictable, downfall and disgrace on earth.
So true
Yes ma’am
“There were no text messages indicating she was pressuring him.” Yeah, because she deleted them. 😉
If the police looked they would have found them even if deleted. Maybe unless using encryption like via Telegram App or Signal. iMessenger can't be deleted
Recovery software is run iver devices in police custody for thorough searching
Police still have access to deleted text messages.
@My ADHD Life - How do you explain Chris deleting the obvious messages of the affair and the police still being able to find them? Dr Grande has stated the police could recover them, they were trained to do so, in this case it wasn't hard to recover them.
If someone could easily get away with murder with just deleting messages, don't you think more people would have gotten away with it? We are talking about the police. They know how a criminal mind works, instead of thinking conspiracies go to the most logical answer. She had a face go face talk with him, that's why there are no messages about it. If it were a long distance relationship there's a high chance said messages could have been there, but again, it was not the case.
I would have deleted them too. I would have done everything in my power to remove him or any thoughts of him from my entire being. Can you imagine the disgust she must have felt when thinking of having sexual intimacy with a person who killed his family?
She also said she wanted to give him his first son. She lied numerous times. She laughed and tried to act cute. Her actions belie her words.
Please note that she searched for Shannan Watts back in 2017 , a year before the murder occurred. She knew he was married . This was found in discovery which was made public.
They have since debunked this and have VERIFIED it was a typo...
Actually they found it is true the FA said in a interview it was true. They thought might be a typo because there were some but it wasnt
Women like her has a history. I sure he wasn't her 2st. Or last. She a PREDATOR. This high on sudction.The ultimate Power Tripe.Find a mated man(s) tese and bit him. Catch the best or the most notable of the bunch.Make and of him. Enjoy the power of his devoting. Laugh at the his sacrifices at the expense of all he ever love.She bait and caught him. See how far she can win this exciting challenge.
So strange to me ...like she was on the ,, hunt,,
Has the fact that she knew he was married ever been in question? I don't see how that indicates her in any way. As far as I know, she has never claimed she didn't know that.
It is so suspicious that she deleted all her correspondence with him, and I am surprised that the investigators didn’t subpoena for her cell phone records so they could read the deleted messages
Why is that suspicious? Put yourself in her position.
@@rosier5428 If I were her, I would 100% not delete messages if I want to seem innocent and save myself from going to court to defend myself as not being as an accomplice for murder. Her text messages with Chris could've supported her innocence actually but now she just seems suspicious. She did other shady things too like destroying her sim card, googling whether cops can trace texts. That's just not what innocent people normally do. There are many other shady things that occurred, like her phone pinging the location of his house the morning of the murders, their texts during that time. Or how she conveniently doesn't recall what they talked about during a 2 hour phone call the night of the murders. This isn't all - conclusion is she really should be investigated.
@@hmao7220 She didn’t want to “seem” innocent because she wasn’t guilty of anything except bad judgement. She wanted to either hide or downplay the affair because it would be embarrassing and probably cause her to lose her job and be exposed to public ridicule....and she was right on the money with that concern.
@@hmao7220 hey where did you get these information? Is it somewhere on yt?
@@rosier5428
Her cell phone also pinged right by his house that early morning of the murders, and her truck was also spotted parked there… Makes you wonder Huh?
I believe that NK went on Shannan's facebook page when Chris and her started talking to each other at work and that she found out what Chris liked to do in his spare time. She did her research on Chris and then she started to put her plan into play. She was attracted to Chris and she wanted what Shannan had. She played him like a piano and he fell for it. The police should've investigated her more.
I don’t think she suggested killing his family.
I think she wanted him for her, they daydreamed of a life together but instead of filing for a divorce, his psychopathic mind thought the solution was killing them instead of leaving them.
Phoenix B. Just my opinion but I think it boiled down to not wanting the financial burden of child support for 3 children until each reaches the age of 18. He just want free sailing & no responsibility.
Bonnie Long yeah he wanted to start over. Plus, leaving a pregnant wife is a mess.
yes I think shes a disgusting horrible person but she was calculating and smart. I think it would have been way less messy if she were involved. she wanted him to leave her not kill his whole family.
@Ewa Fura
No
He's not a man with creative ideas or ambition. He's not smart. But he's easily manipulated, and this woman is highly manipulative (listen to her interviews with police, if you haven't yet). This doesn't mean he was a victim of her. But it means that in addition to his 100% guilt, someone prompted him to do it. She is crafty and sneaky - asking him to listen to songs with lyrics about murdering one's family, for example. Making him choose between her and his kids, another example. Saying she wanted to give him his first son, knowing his wife is pregnant with a son, another example. It goes on and on. She wrapped him around her finger very knowingly. And then her phone pinged near his house the morning of the murders, although she lives a half hour away. Repeat: the wee early morning hours of the murders, and her cell phone is on the move, not at her home, not at her place of work. What does this *mean?*
She had no moral compass. What decent woman gets involved with a married man with tiny young children
Agreed.
@Joeseph Lambert she probably had nothing to do with anything other than Chris cheating on his wife, she was just caught in the spotlight when this case blew up. Usually people like this fly under everyone's radar, and now she's being accused of more by many haters indeed. But I wouldn't excuse that behaviour from her or anybody else, it's way too easy to wait until the person's partner has left before acting upon their feelings. I think she was what drove him to act on impulse, but if it wasn't this easy girl it would have been another.
He is the killer.
Cheating and killing both wrong but different degree on wrong. Even more killing your own children is the worst a person can do on this earth.
People are focused on Nichole who I am not defending but that evil man killed his children. No comparison.
My thoughts exactly!
he did lie about being married, theyre both awful
E-mails PROVE that she knew he was married before the affair. Go read the e-mails from May or June. They were on their work e-mails.
Yeah, I never understood why the police didn't confront her with that during her interviews. (To point out his lies.)
So what?? How's that "manipulation"? She didn't kill Chris's wife. Chris did. He is responsible
Is anyone arguing that she knew at some point he was married? The issue is did she help him murder his family.
Watching this almost 2 years after it was originally posted. This video aged really well. I enjoyed the way you laid out the stages of an affair. Thanks again, Dr.G!
You are so right about the passionate phase. Agree there are people that need that high passion phase when it's gone they move on.
He committed that evil act bc he wanted to.
Exactly, and probably spent several years of his life fantasising about doing it. He may even have got married and had kids so he could carry out his sick fantasy. If he hadn't been having an affair with NK it would have been someone else. It probably wasn't the first time he'd been unfaithful. I don't hold with one word of the idea he was manipulated by a woman to do what he did to his own children.
He went inside and giggled to himself after his 1st interaction with law enforcement discussing the "disappearance" of his family.
Dupers delight right there. It's a psycho thing.
Absolutely. Annoying.
That is one part of the truth.
The other part of the truth is that NK was all the way a home-wrecker who had been stalking the family before she even started the affair, and she got what she wished for, and a lot of people defended her for it.
Butterfly Effect no matter what she did or didn’t do, it is irrelevant in terms of what he did to his wife and children. That was 100% down to him. He could have divorced her.
It is VERY common for narcs to label people as "bipolar."
Very true Angela. I met a man at work 2 years ago (during a trip abroad) and everyone warned me he was a star in his field but a narc too. During love bombing phase through chats he mentioned both ex wives were schizophrenic and I thought like u that it is typical of crazy manipulator to qualify ex partners as mentally sick. I think it s a big warning signal you are dealing with a manipulator.
OMG! Where were the two of you when I experienced this, firsthand!? Wish I would’ve known this info before getting involved with a person just like this! All of his exes were “crazy b*tches.” We broke up, now I’m one of the “crazy b*tches” 😆
Yes! I've seen this with several female narcs. They label various family members and friends as bipolar.
Interesting insight, thank you.
As for "why this particular date in August" - Isn't it obvious? Shanann and the kids spent the summer in North Carolina, and Chris was living it up with NK. He knew this was gonna end. He would have been required to be super careful and resourceful to continue the affair once the family was back. Also the prospect of a new baby was not compatible with having more freedom in terms of time off and money. So he needed to get rid of them, and quickly.
That woman can say she was shocked but her body language in the interrogation room said otherwise!! She definitely had something to do with it!
What I have a difficult time understanding is how Chris Watts thought he could get away with the crime. For one thing, he buried his wife, Shannon, in a shallow grave on Anadarko property....the very location where he was scheduled to work the morning of the murders. That's the first place cops would have looked if he had not confessed.
NOT SMART
He was planning to move her body after dark, but fortunately, since her friend called the police for a wellness check on her friend and he was called in right away. I'm sure he was followed at this point and couldn't return to the sight and move her body.
I think they had plans to drive Shanann car n put her n the babies in the car and started her car and put them Amazon
Fire stick by the motor
And the whole
Place would blow up and then Chris could get a lot of money
And start his life over
He was the dumbest criminal ever.
Nicole was searching for wedding dresses! Sounds pretty serious to me....impulsive or not.
FFS I looked at wedding dresses when I was 12. It means nothing
Or maybe she was Searching out the price of SW wedding dress.
What does ffs mean
She wasn’t there physically when CW’s murdered his family, but she’s part responsible for this tragedy . She “egged” him on. Desperate woman… Shame on her… hope she sleeps well at night
@@noellarash367 I actually think she probably does.
She told him "You need to fix this " This happened when she saw the home, the style they where living. Also she was jealous and surprised.??
Dr. Grande, you could have not commented on this case more gracefully then you did. Your not just an analyst, your still a human being and this case has wracked our minds forever. I’m speaking for myself but I’m very sure I’m not speaking for myself. If at all possible could you please speak some more on this case in the future? There are numerous tapes of people involved. I would just love to hear more perspective. Thankyou for all that you do.
The affair was definitely an accelerant.
NK admitted that in her interview on Aug 23rd
Nailed it..she was a huge accelerant
The affair was the number one reason this happened. Having to pay child support for three children was not an option and was the number two reason. They were already heavily in debt. I feel Nicole's part in this was the major contributing factor. She knew exactly what she was doing. Googling "dating a married man who leaves his wife for his mistress" shows the depth of her knowledge. Another factor involved is the passive/aggressive factor that Chris used. He appears as a very passive, easy-going father and husband until he meets up with Nicole. She is able to empower the aggressive side of Chris that was hidden up until then. We may never really know how much N.K. knew, but I do believe she was aware of a lot more than she is admitting.
Somewhere he says his ‘problems’ began when the marriage started.... so with this growing resentment ( hate) for years the affair must have had a great ‘release’ for him. I think this because the affair was so short; it’s just so hard to believe he went as far as he did so quickly ( otherwise).
Scary!
also his family HATED Shanan, in fact did not want her and the girls visiting. The one daughter had an allergy and his parents tried to feed her the allergy food. He wanted someone his family would approve of, not someone who was ill (she had an immune disease) and maybe also more of a money maker. He thought his family would approve of a new wife, and a new family. His family had rejected his wife and children.
I agree
I agree with you to an extent, and I do also feel she was definitely aware of more than she let on. But I don't necessarily think she empowered him to commit the disturbing acts he did. I believe that was already in him. I believe he was always a self-centered, self-interested narcissistic person, and not very bright.
@@kittymervine6115 yes. I was watching some footage from Chris's interrogation, and there was a moment where the detectives leave the room to allow Chris to speak 'privately' with his dad. Chris then latches on to the story the detectives fed him ("did Shannan do something to the girls, and then you felt you had to do something to Shannan?"-- common interrogation technique to get the suspect admitting little by little, but of course Chris is so utterly stupid that he thinks he can pass off what the detectives themselves made up, as "what really happened")
When his father enters and they start talking, Chris of course feeds his dad that bullshit about him stumbling in on Shannan killing his girls, and he "panicked and did the same thing to her" (laughable, zero people are dumb enough to believe that). And then he goes on to say to his dad, "Mom always said she was a nasty, evil person, but I never thought in a million years she could do this"
Chris knew in the back of his mind that his parents disapproved of his wife for whatever reason, and maybe even resented the girls. I believe his parents spoiled him and made him believe he could do no wrong in the world, and that somewhat influenced his narcissistic personality and behavior.
She searched out wife on FB many months before relationship started. She emailed him that she wanted to have a beautiful life like he had with wife and kids. She researched wedding dresses just before murders
Nichole erased almost everything that had to do with their relationship and it wasn't recovered. I feel she was being very manipulative and controlling and feel even if she had nothing to do with the physical murder (which I do because her cell phone pinged off a local tower that it only pinged off of 5 times total- and the last one being the morning of the murder), I still think she should be charged.
I usually don’t jump on these “blame just the other woman” bandwagons but Nichol Kessinger is something else.
Edit: her personality sucks. She holds half of the blame for the affair, NOT THE MURDERS.
I hope she gets what's coming to her :)
I've had discussions with idiots who defend that behaviour. If you're going to cause a family drama, I'd say starting an affair is a great way to do it. Why would it be a bad thing to just wait until the guy left his family before acting upon your feelings?
Best Realpolitik YT Videos You make very interesting points.
@Best Realpolitik YT Videos Why are you insisting that NK did not participate in murders, smartass ? You are probably her relative or friend of her family.
Why because he killed his family, does it really take something that heinous for you to blame the other woman. SHE PLAYED A ROLE, other women always have some blame unless they had no idea its that simple.
I don't think Nicole sounded credible whatsoever. Just lots of backpedaling. 🙄
@A BC
Agreed.
A BC I cannot see her as a victim. She says that when CW went to NC she told him to try to work on his marriage but yet she continued to send him nude photos. She only said that to see if he would argue that he only wanted her and nobody else. She had no intentions of letting him work on his marriage. She is low down, she is manipulative and she is a home wrecker but she is no victim.
A BC, I agree with you.
@A BC I don't consider her a victim. She knew way before they got together that he was married. That alone should be enough for her to let him alone. At least until he got a divorce. She knew what she was doing. It made her feel superior to Shanann because, he was choosing her over his wife.
@M Z EXACTLY! I TOTALLY AGREE with EVERYTHING you said.
He comes across as socially awkward, but I honestly think hes never had an original thought in his life, he latches on to what the people around him want, to validate his lack of personality. Even his original confession wasnt an original idea it was fed to him by his Dad. I think a psychiatrist would say hes highly suggestible, hes a shadow puppet doing and saying and acting in line with who ever is the most dominate in his life at that time (Shannon, his Mother, his mistress).
I think getting rid of his wife and kids was ALL Nicole, she planted the seed, and was the puppet master. He was even texting her whilst being arrested. She totally manipulated him. She's the narcissist IMO.
He got caught (because hes dumb as a box of bricks), how they ever thought HE could pull it off and get away with it is beyond comprehension.
I agree. He had a need to be dominated and I think the girlfriend was more dominating than the wife . The wife was always traveling and preoccupied with children. The girl friend was more controlling
No, he used the female cop's suggestion that Shannan hurt the girls to TRY and make him confess.
So, he used this to tell his father and the cops later once he confessed. "I didn't kill those girls."
Temptation certainly got the better of him indeed it did!
He certainly took the low road in making that decision.
Like we can make bad decisions in life but then there are really really bad decisions we can make and this is a fine example.
There is no doubt in my heart that she has more to do with this. Way more. I am not defending him, at the end of the day he took the final decision and committed the crimes. But as a woman I know how persuasive and manipulative we can be.
Spot on. They apparently had a 2 hr convo the day of the murder. Some ppl were saying that she was seen with him via surveillance in his pickup truck when they were going to dispose of the bodies. I have no doubt she was involved in someway or another. CW of course, is not telling us the full story. He still needs to 'protect' her.
What a weird comment... so men are not ever extremely manipulative? Men can't ever be extremely persuasive- especially of the woman- or man for that matter- they're in a relationship w/?
@@darkcrystalmagik3369 Your comprehensive reading skills is awesome!
Even Shannon’s family said to Dr. Phil that they believed if Chris had never had the affair, life would’ve continued as usual in the marriage. They too believed the affair changed the course of everything.
Absolutely true I truly believe that
But if it wasn't NK he had the affair with, it would have been someone else. Don't you see that it was him? She wasn't some temptress who came along and suddenly changed his personality.
Occultism. Hmm, never thought of that. But even so, would she really have that much power over him?
sa Exactly! If he killed his family just because he was getting sex elsewhere then it’s his mind that has been sick for years, some people are backwards in their thinking. This NK is to blame crap is boring now and I wish they would all STFU about it and concentrate on Chris doing what he did and why, NK isn’t some witchy genius who put a spell on an inexperienced man just cause she was great in bed, or Watts thought she was great in bed anyway, he had little experience with women which was an issue that way.
Dana Davison: Yes he could, he had learned helplessness with Shan’Ann but he was a supervisor at work and he had been on his own or living with roommates, before he met Shan’Ann, for 7 years, don’t underestimate him, Shan’Ann did everything because she liked doing everything.
NK was OBSESSED with Shenanns life. She wanted what Shenann had..... Chris is comfortable with dominant women...due to his upbringing. His mom had him under her thumb.
That ironic even Shanann didn't have shananns life it was all fake and show.
@JRR smokin
I'm just speculating....my comment is solely my opinion. Of course I can not possibly know what a person is thinking....but there's also a thing called human behavior. I happen to be very good at studying it. I might be speculating...but I know I'm not too off the mark....
Stop making excuses for him
@@JoTracy ....I'm not. He deserves to be in prison.....she should have been convicted for accessory to the crime. He was brainwashed because he's a weakling. He was blinded by lust....and lies.
@@DeeDee-vl1kt He wasn't brainwashed, he did what was in him to do. Situations reveal character, he was evil to his core. There are millions of people who have affairs but don't kill, he was just a psychopath.
How in the world did the cops think she was not influential. Unbelievable. Had he gone to the police station with an attorney, and hid his dead wife better, he'd be in the position of Casey Anthony and scott free today.
Chris realized he could do better than his wife. Or so he thought. The forbidden love was too intoxicating. I don’t know what was Nichol’s fantasy. Except that causing a marriage break up seemed enticing. It upped his status in her eyes which fed her narcissism.
She knew everything. She was researching Shanan.
Cynthia Rogers she was stalking Shanan.
Both are correct
Cynthia Rogers Exactly
She probably went in and out of the basement window that is why nates camera didn't pick her up!
There is no evidence to back that up.
The question I’ve always had is , if you can get a man away from his family, what makes the Mistress, think down the line a new Honey, can’t take him from her?
You are absolutely right...but I don't think either one are thinking that far ahead-- at the time that they are getting together. They were in lust with each other. This case reminds me so much of Scott and Laci Peterson. He really didn't know Nicole for very long. Scott P really didn't know Amber F for very long either. Very idealistic and immature. with tragic results!! BTW. I think very highly of Amber Frey. She was very courageous and did the right thing.
Linda G Also, I have no personal experience BUT, I imagine being a mistress is much better than being a wife because the mistress isn’t in the position of caring for him, his hone, his children day in & day out. It’s basically all fun & sex & nice gifts, dinners out etc. she’s not in a position to have to nag him when he does not take the garbage out or fix the leaky sink. There:’s no pressure on them. Just my opinion & guess!
@@bonnielong5812 I agree. The mistress is in a much more ideal position for the reasons that you just described. The public doesn't like Nicole much and she has had to go into hiding--but it could have been much worse for her. She could have had kids with Chris Watts had she met him before he met Shanaan. She got off lucky, compared to poor Shanaan and her kids. I don't think CW gave her (or anyone else) any indication of what he was capable of. He's a monster. It's still so shocking, even 2 years later.
Linda G I agree! Also, once someone cheats it’s likely that they’ll do it again. I’ve also seen the other side. Many women I used to BBC work with are a side chick; because of promises the guy made, the leave their marriage & home (& often their children) to be with the guy, and then he doesn’t have the guts to leave his wife & children. That leave the “ side chick” devastated, with them saying, “ But I gave up EVERYTHING for you!” Their surprised & incredibly damaged by this. It’s very sad, really.
This is still upsetting us more than 2 years after it happened, & people still can’t let go of this! All of our frustration & anger towards NK would probably die down if the cops had given her a lie detector test; I can’t imagine why they never did.
But enough of this. The cops & CBI felt she wasn’t involved directly in this tragedy so we really need to let this go.
I’m NOT making light of this tragedy, & I once was the adultery’s wife so I am particularly sensitive & outraged when things like this happen. BUT, have a joke to tell. I think a little levity might help us. all.
One evening, a wealthy CEO is having dinner with his wife at a very classy restaurant. In the middle of dinner a tall, beautiful blonde woman comes to their table & kisses the man right on the lips, then departs, saying: “I’ll see you later”, as she walks away. The wife is dumbfounded & asks her husband who that woman was. He replied, “Oh, that’s Sandy, my mistress!” The wife is outraged and screams that she’s going to divorce him. The husband doesn’t bat an eye & says, “You can do that if you want but remember, you’ll have no more credit cards. You will have to leave the mansion & find another place to live; no more trips to Hawaii, Cancun or the French Riviera, or skiing on Vale, no more trips to Paris for cloths shopping.” The wife is silent for a few minutes, when suddenly her husband’s COO comes into the restaurant with a gorgeous redhead, (his wife is a brunette). The wife says, “who is that with George?!!” Her husbands responds, that’s George’s mistress, Helen!” The wife is silent for a few minutes, visibly shaken. Suddenly she says, “Our’s is prettier!”
An interesting case. Their relationship must have only been about 2 months. Frightening how Chris went from a seemingly normal and devoted family man to a family annihilator in such a short period of time.
I imagine she constantly told him if he didn't have his nagging wife and kids, they could be happy together.
So divorce, don't murder.
You "imagine"? Do you have ANY evidence she said such a thing? Because you need more than just imagination to accuse someone of murder.
CW did mention in an interview that she got upset when he took a call from his wife and then went home in case his wife called again; NK said to him “I will always be second to your wife”, according to CW she was very upset so he had to calm her down.
@@CJ-gv7fj Yes, first, let's believe the convicted murderer who admitted to lying in this case multiple times. Second, so freaking what? Only a psychopathic monster like Chris Watts would interpret that comment as "I want you to kill your wife and two toddler children." Anyone who claims anyone is responsible for these killings except that monster Watts is a either horribly diluted or a horrible person.
@@deathtotruthers1 Imagine was their word for opinion, I imagine. That is to say, in my opinion.
So, imagine this person theorizes that opinion in the idea that MAYBE Nicole UNINTENTIONALLY just PERHAPS said phrases repeatedly that didn't help the twisted development of future events, ey?
How bout that? ^_^
Watts is incredibly easy to manipulate. Note that when Tammy the investigator suggested that Shannan had killed her babies, Watts immediately picked up on that. Makes it pretty obvious he would've been just as open to suggestion by NK saying he could forget a relationship with her unless he took his wife and kids out of the picture. Done deal.
Kelly Charlton Jones yes I absolutely agree, he is a psychopath, he mirrors behaviour of those around him, that was incredible in that police interview, he jumped on that suggestion that Shan’ann killed the girls, he could not take the shame (narcissist) of what he had done and was desperate to divert the blame. He was played by NK, she had been looking into his life with Shan’ann for nearly a year (she checked out Shan’ann on FB well before the affair started).
@@stephj6551 i wonder if that was really a typo as it is being reported. she sure did seem to know `of him' for the whole year however.
kelly green I read that it was a typo that instead of September 2018 it was actually January 2019. If anyone knows for sure please let me know where I can find the source! Thanks!
Stephanie Jacob I agree! CW jumped at the chance to claim the idea that Tammy suggested that Shannan killed the girls. Even though this was highly improbable it allowed him to claim he acted out of rage at the murder of his girls. This would allow him to save face and divert the guilt of the murder to Shannan.. He didn’t care that he would further damage Shannan’s image and reputation. He just wanted to save himself and his image at any cost!
I also understand why Tammy had to offer this idea to get him to give up the location of the girls. They were running out of time and had they not located them when they did they might have never retrieved them. It was a difficult option but one I think the detectives had to try in order to get the bodies while some evidence remained or just to give the family some kind of closure.
it comes from his mother's ability to do that perhaps perhaps all his life. Watch her interviews in the media, she's dangerous!
In the second interview, her father is there. I find it hard to believe she would be totally honest about the affair with her father listening.
In the initial park interview with the FBI(Mark) and the inside interview with CBI the father was there. So I heard 2 interviews with the father present. I am sure there was looks and toe tapping between the two. You could hear that the father was coaching her and trying to fill in blanks here and there.
Her father is a freemason. Something like 80% of police officers are freemasons. They protect each other.
How do we know this about the father?
She obviously has no shame about her actions. She had her Dad there in her first interview and the second. They discussed a lot of very private information and NK never seems to mind a bit! He Dad never indicated he was bothered by it either. I can’t imagine wanting your Dad involved in an investigation where the x-rated details of your private life is being discussed. To me that says a lot about her. She has no shame in her behavior or the consequences of it! She sees nothing wrong with her actions and considers herself a victim! At one point she even slips and says “I am so disgusted...with him!”. There was a slight pause where you think she will take some kind of ownership in her bad choices but she has to push all the blame to CW as usual!
@@Midnight_Rider_777 Wow! This is so true. Hadnt even thought about it!
The giggle picked up by the cops' bodycams when they opened Shannan's closet was not a child's giggle. It was Kessinger's giggle, exactly the way it sounded on her voicemails, and it wasn't paranormal. I hope the police did a sweep of the Watts' house to look for audio devices that may have been triggered by light or movement. Chris said that he felt like he was possessed by a demon before the murders.
In my opinion, Nikki was involved. I believe, personally, she talked him into, or they worked together, on killing his wife and kids.
And one more thing I'd like to bring up, Kessinger initiated the affair. She first met Watts at his workplace then, soon after began stalking him online, began tracking his and Shan'ann's daily activities via their FB pages and other Social media sites. She was devious and consuimed with Watts long before she made it known to him.
He'd had other affairs before her.
@@joannapetrova7089 How so? We may disapprove of a woman wanting a relationship with a married guy (that wasn't his first affair either), and there's definitely something seriously creepy about this woman, but the one evil person in it all was Chris Watts himself.
In my opinion, she is far more dangerous. Mainly because Chris is not the brightest bulb.
@@CowboyBike06 It was still his choice in the end. I know people who were in special education who wouldn't murder their family.
@@Catlily5 - yes. I’m not saying that he doesn’t belong behind bars. He is exactly where he needs to be. However, she may very well be culpable, we don’t know. We have proof of a lot of things she said and did and it points to her acting like a very guilty party. At the very least police need to do a thorough investigation of her. We have no idea how involved she was or wasn’t. The investigation was ended prematurely.
It’s about money. Not enough for old family and new girlfriend. Clean slate
Me, Myself and I Cluster B case.
Occam's Razor:
"Simpler models are more likely to be correct than complex ones."
I too think money and not just NK, although she represented a different, freer life...until she would’ve wanted kids then she may have turned out like Shan’Ann, well in Watts eyes anyway.
It always amazes me how evil people always find each other. Both of them are just vile. It's clear that Chris was willing to kill his family even if he didn't meet her and that whole affair didn't happen, but it's also clear that she was in on it, on the very least she knew what he did and she was more than ok with it.
She was not shocked or disgusted by his vile actions. Anyone else would be disgusted with what he did. Nicole seems pretty
unfazed by the murders.
@@UA-cam4meI am not young any longer, but when I was a young woman and if a man who was married payed attention to me in inappropriate ways, I found that to be a turn-off because it showed his character, but some woman are turned on by that. Go figure….
I agree with you… she portrays herself more innocent in knowing what was going on.
She googled , “ do ppl hate Amber Frye”- Amber Frye is Nothing like Nikole Kessinger. Apples and oranges
Apples and cow manure
Yes and one of the biggest clues about their differences is that you could see the whole thing was eating Amber up, she was crying and emotional as a normal person would be. NK had zero sympathy for 4 dead people, 3 of them children. Thats sick.
Wait a minute..... why would she google AF? Perhaps because her lover killed his pg wife too? Wow.
Obviously that was after she found out about the murders, so what’s your point?
@@rosier5428 I'm thinking this was BEFORE the murders.
Dr. Grande - somehow both soft-spoken and BADASS.
With social media there is no way that Nicole did not know the status of Chris' marriage. Of course she checked out his wife social media pages and knew that his wife posted things constantly about how great Chris was and about her pregnancy and their girls.
It would be bizarre for her to be messing around with him and not be curious about his wife
Concerning this man's 'impulsivity'. He arranged to work at the remote site that day. It wasn't his usual shift. He knew he'd be alone and miles from anywhere, suggesting that the disposal of their bodies was planned in advance. His problem was that he hadn't known his wife had an appointment that morning and had asked her friend to accompany her. So his original 'she's probably gone to see friends' explanation didn't wash, which would have given him some time to get things sorted at his end. Unfortunately for him, and the police were all over him like a rash before he had the chance.
The one thing I believe CW about is that NK chased him....and we know that from the Discovery of her googling Shannan in 2017 and routinely checking in on her FB page. I do believe she gave him an ultimatum and she wanted what Shannan had... She was a jealous mistress. I want to add also she refers to CW and his wife and their children as those people in the same way CW refers his children as them.
And what about NK deciding independently to search a new small apt for Chris? She was more than chasing, she was pushing him to leave Shannan house. He demonstrated to be an horrible individual anyway.
Nikki D yep, and she also commented that Chris had allot of baggage, referring to his kids and bills.
It was a typo. She searched Shannan in 2018. The discovery fixes that claim.
Nikki D
She wanted CW to leave SW I think, pretty normal ‘mistress’ behaviour
Peaches
How could she have looked for SW after the fact?! We got this info in August 2018 so your comment doesn’t make sense!
I am interested in how the relationship between Chris Watts and his seemingly overbearing mother affected his personality and decision making. It seems that he learned from an early age to be submissive to controlling women, (and to others), to suppress his own wants and needs in order to be accepted, and that may have played a role in his developing (hidden) narcissism, and also in the lack of compassion, remorse or empathy that surprised everyone when it emerged after the murders. In effect, it's as if he played a 'role' up until several stressors pushed him to act in this horribly regrettable way. I believe it is possible that a good deal of the reason he did this lies in his relationship with his mother.
The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world
I believe he was killing his Mother while he was killing His wife. He was trying to shut critical women up. All of them.
I am curious to know about his childhood and upbringing. You pose a great inquisition about the relationship between mother and son.
Yes thats the cause. He was the scapegoat while his sister was the golden child. He has a narcissitic mother and a loser father. His wife was not submissive but controlling...his mistress was like him rebelling against his shitty life...he wanted to end it all..to start fresh with a new identity..but..even if he had gotten away woth the murders...he still would have his problems...his family and this other witch who would also control him...he had no escape really from his fate
There is a great channel called Live Abuse Free here on UA-cam that has done multiple analysis of Chris and his mothers relationship that led him to become a narcissist.
Hey, Dr. Grande. I love your content. Such great work. Would you do a video about the Central Park Five case?
I really like how Dr. Todd gives several suggestions for us to think about. I’m pretty sure he knows which one though. This is a great channel.
"The phase of bad decisions"! This has helped me today, thank you. 🏆
I'm so glad I'm not young & starry eyed anymore. Not saying that I don't enjoy intimacy, but I'm at a place in my life where I'm not afraid to b alone, or wondering where the other person is late at night. Whew! Thank God thatz over😀♀
Very true, at the stage of my life now I see relationships as exhausting & takes much of your energy & so rather spend more time with friends and family!!..much happier!!😘👍
I’ll bet it was fun while it lasted though. I feel sorry for anyone who hasn’t experienced the intoxication of what he and Nicole had. The fact that he killed his family could have been because he was SO sheltered that he didn’t realize what he was feeling for Nicole was completely normal.
@@rosier5428 Ah, hah! So that's why u were so passionately defending the cheater cuz u are one too!! From the sounds of it u were a serial cheater too! Good job being a $kank.Hope u didn't catch anything .lol
@@addorsubtract650 You don’t know WTF you’re talking about moron. I’m certainly not defending the cheating. I’m saying she acted rationally after the murders. Now, GFY.
I love your scientifically insightful videos. However they really calm me down and I use them when I go asleep. And often I wake up with 29 of your videos in my history (assuming playing all the ads) so glad helping to channel 😊😊😊
I think she definitely was a strong influence and knows way more about what happened than saying. IMO she is a narcissist that wanted to see how far he would go for her. When he killed them, she distanced herself because she didn't want to be suspect AND he already did what she wanted him to do for her own ego. She didn't really ever want him for herself. She was manipulating him. The murders he committed are 100 his fault however. I bet she does this again. She needs to be watched.
Having listened to NK's interview with the detective and watching this video, I feel like I've achieved a whole new level of understanding, especially concerning the power differential. Thank you Dr. Grande for your in-depth explanation not only of the power differential that possibly existed and if so, was most likely a driver in the tragic events following the affair's stage of passionate romance, but the movement or progression of the affair, which I kind of believe may have just begun a transition from the passionate stage to one of "duty or obligation" to each other, meaning they were concerned with the sale of the house and Chris finding an apartment. Reality is beginning to push it's ugly self into their romantic passion. Given both partners' immaturity and Chris' questionable judgment along with the increasing pressure he was feeling about NK, and his tendency toward impulsivity (using a joint credit card in his marriage at a dinner with NK, knowing Sha'nan would see it) it becomes almost understandable that he would react in a violent and ultimately tragic way. I do disagree on one area. NK was checking out the Watts family life on FB before the affair was ever initiated. This seems to be stalking behavior and brings up some interesting questions yet to be addressed. Perhaps a look at NK's background, her personal choices, did she have a successful relationship prior to meeting Chris Watts and if so, why did it end? I may be completely wrong about some of her motives, but she did come across in the police interview as a bit of a "gas lighter." Both to the detective and certainly on occasion with Chris Watts. Thoughts anyone?
The truth is that we can never actually know anyone, even ourselves.
Wow, it's like you know me.
Yes, most people could do worse things than they think.
But not murdering their own children.
Right? Intent is such a hard thing to prove. Truth can be subjective. One can truly never really know what lies deep in the heart of others...
If you're lucky, you may barely know yourself... Then there's self-control...
**sigh**
The concise way you put it is what I tell myself every so often.
Nichol was definitely pressuring him to make a quick decision. He was caged in fear with being found out from affair so he had to fix it in a cowardly way.
They were barely dating and then he goes and does that heinous crime it’s Chris who got in over his head emotionally and decided to murder his family , Kissinger lit the fuse though ..
Barely dating? You better do some research.
I really appreciate your point of view; you don’t sensationalize the case and describe it from an informed perspective- thank you!
Another contributing factor could have been that Shannan took the kids and went to stay with her parents for the summer and Chris was essentially left to his own devices for 5 weeks. He got the taste of the bachelor life- an exciting girlfriend, no kids, he could go where he wanted and when he wanted. When he flew out to North Carolina to spend the week with his family, it all came crashing down. He was described as distant, he and Shannan argued and slept separately. I think, like you said, this may have been the point where Shannan and the kids were objects standing in his way to a more fun life.
Chris sad enough reminds me of my ex and this story is confirmation to me that I wasnt crazy and I truly survived living with a covert narcissist/psychopath. I dont think he murdered his family because he needed to get rid of them in order to be with Nicole. It has more to do with hidden rage and extreme low self esteem. I think he was secretly enraged towards Shanann because she came across to me as a strong straight forward woman with emotions and feelings and Chris having none of that and on top of that knowing that he needs her in order to emotionally survive, became tortured by it. His family began to become too much of an confrontation with his empty self. He secretly started hating/envying them because of that. Nicole was becomming his new supply for his fragile ego. All the crap lies he tells about wanted to be with Nicole is just a distraction and lie from his true motivation and in his mind makes him look better than he really is.
wait wait wait.... shannan strong straight foward? she has said herself about her selfesteem and depression. she needed to control chris and was obviously abusive, not strong. in her texts she even says she doesn't know how chris feels like a man when she is bossing him around and he isn't involved at all it seems.
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In a video’s she said, “..he’ll do whatever I tell him to do”. That statement is powerful. I think there were years of resentment building up, from his childhood, from the situation with her and his parents, and possibly when confronted about the affair. She was angry and let him know that she was going to make his life a living hell. Little did she know, in his mind, it already was.
SherLight, I think you really captured it.
I think he was also intoxicated with the new relationship.
So tragic. So unbelievable. How could he kill his wife and those beautiful baby girls? One of whom begged for her life before he strangled her. I’ll never get the case out of my mind.
Yes, I totally agree so heart wrenching. Those poor babies and their mama. 💔
I don't know if she was 'directly' involved or not but can't shake the instinctual feeling that she had some hand in encouraging it. I think it was her demeanor in interrogation and stuff that gives me the willies about her.
A very similar case happened in Italy in 2014:
A man fell in love with his female co-worker, but she would refuse his advances saying she could never date a married man with children.
So, one night he returned home from work, made love to his wife and strangled her to death immediately afterwards.
She didn't fought back, she just attempted to ask him "why?".
He then took a knife and went to his daughters bedroom, killing the both of them by slicing their throat.
After this, he went to a friend's house to watch the national football team playing a match against England for the European Cup.
He tried to make it look like a burglary gone wrong, but he was caught almost immediately, just like Chris Watts.
Lust is blind...
Scott Peterson too
This Italy story is eerily similar to Chris Watts. He has a tendency to "parrot" things others have said and done. How much you wanna bet he heard this story before he murdered his family?! I don't believe in consequences.
If they started their relationship June of 2018. Then why was NK looking up Shan'ann in Dec of 2017?! I think the first lie was how long they've been seeing each other...
My theory on why CW killed Shannan on that particular day was her Dr's appointment. If it's true that Watts was slowly poisoning her, the doctor's report might have shown that.
Hugely eye opening stuff. Thank you so much for sharing your professional wisdom. Like pearls to us UA-cam criminal case sleuths out here. Much appreciated. 💜