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Man, I am sitting here on the Chesterfield thinking this guy deserves mad respect for chasing down his dreams! Inspiring!! Thanks for sharing Chris!
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Not to diminish Chris's dream-chasing escapades, and I'll bet Chris might even agree with me, if you're impressed with this, you need to listen to Bob Roll's interview wherein he discusses his incredible journey from riding with work boots in California to living in a tent in Belgium to being sent to the Giro with 7-11. Would make an Oscar-worthy movie!
I had to google Chesterfield after all of his references...lol
Couch bro👍
Today I met a bike shop owner who apparently used to compete with you, when I mentioned you he said you were the smartest guy in the pro peloton, that your tactical awareness while racing was unmatched. He even described riding next to you and listening to you which was kind of like listening to your videos! LOL (only difference, he wasn't sure you said knuckleheads way back then!) 🤓😃
Hehehe. I’m much nicer when I’m not racing. In the races I figure everyone is pro so it’s there job to know what’s going on there so I don’t have to be nice when I was yelling someone for not knowing there job. But here on the channel it’s a family place, so it’s much more correct to keep the level at Knucklehead. 😂😜👊🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling oh he said good things, I don't think he thought you weren't nice 😊 but more later (he just bought my favorite local shop & it's all good!) BTW I spit on my screen laughing at the McDs at the end! 🤣
I'm sure it was great to listen to him except WHEN HE HAD A CONCUSSION!
I hope you get to make the story time video for your TOC win. The stage where you and Levi Leipheimer drubbed the entire field up that climb will be great to relive.
What a great story time. I don't think I've ever heard a pro talk so explicitly about his financial arrangements. Was nice to hear you eventually got some big checks.
They came late but they final came. 👊🦋😜
OFFICIAL: Mark Cavendish has accepted Astana Qazaqstan's offer to "come out of retirement" and ride with them at next year's Tour de France. They pulled out all the stops to accomplish this: they signed Michael Morkov to lead out for him AND signed the Quickstep sprint trainer who gave him his 2021 mojo, Anastopoulos. And now that they have Cav, I've heard they're looking to assemble even more riders for the Jumbo-Visma of a lead-out train for Cav, with a top priority for Le Tour to help Cav win a sole record 35th (and beyond) sprint win. Astana just became my new favorite team. Yeah, both Mark and Michael are 38 now, but you know better than most that you can't dismiss the chances of determined riders due to their age!
I’m not going say Mark won’t win #35 next year. He was super close already in 2023 TdF. 👊🦋
What a great year it's gonna be
I love the independent pro story. Fabulous
One of the most interesting videos you have done. Thanks Chris
And he won his #35
Chris’ beard at 6:58. No way that’s aero! 😂
Certainly wasn’t. 😂🦋👊
It's WILD!
I got dropped, completely dropped, today on the last climb of the ride by a local pro 1/2 type guy here in Colorado. I was laughing at how easily he rode away, and simultaneously pondered how this rider is multiple levels below a World Tour pro in the European peloton. Puts into perspective how hard it is to make a living racing a bicycle.
Exactly. Local guy in every city that can drop most everyone. Sooner or later the best get to the top one way or another and we get to watch them in July. 👊🦋
Its like being a "professional" musician but you get laid less😂
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Wow, extremely in-depth!
Thank you Chris for explaining the reality of being a cycling pro.!
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Sticking with cycling after seven of these episodes is a testament to your tenacity.
Chris, it would be very interesting to have a story time with all the bikes you raced through the years. Technology progression, frame materials, good ones, crap ones, etc.
Oh... the good old days! Ha! I turned pro in 1989. Late 80's and the early 90's saw the development of the first pro teams based in America, 7/11, Coors Light. Chevy, Saturn, Wheaties... Every year there were a few more teams and a few more races with real prize money. Pretty soon some legit Euro-pros wanted to race in the U.S.. There are some great stories from those times as you were coming up. Let's hear some! Those years were literally the birth of pro bike racing in America.
Right. You and I got to enjoy those years as we saw big pro races with big prize money coming in every year to the US. The energy was high from the moment the car pulled into race parking lot and we exited the vans (no buses back then ;). Great racing with you Jamie 👊🦋💥🔥🚴♂️
Dude you guys were my heroes I remember everything about you guys from Velo News you were my inspiration 😊
@@ChrisHornerCycling I've been asked a dozen times to direct the documentary about the birth of pro cycling in the 80's and the Golden era which started with the 84 Olympics and ran up until the Armstrong era. It's a great story but it's a massive project and I've just never had the time. If I do it I want you to narrate! I'll hit you up!
I actually recall your name bro. Have been following cycling since late 70's
Starting racing 80, Cat 3 until 92👍👊
It would be great if you could get Johan as a guest on your show (or you as a guest on his podcast) so that both of you can talk about old times.
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Crazy how Americans just idolize cheats. It says so much about the nation.
I was riveted, Chris, by your year-by-year breakdown of your financial situation as a pro and it makes your Vuelta win that much more meaningful, that you paid back your team with that win after two seasons of finally making the big bucks. And, all in all, wow, you were doing the dance, carving a place in Europe and back in the States and dealing with the sha-sha-shakiness of it all. Yours is a most impressive story of resilience and determination and now we have a better understanding why you have all those jerseys. 😀
Meanwhile I’m on chesterfield doing nothing with my life. Epic story Chris, I love these kind of stories and insights!
Sitting here on my ordanary seat thinking, "why Chris Horner is not writing a book ??"
Chris, is there any way (without compromising yourself) that would you consider a similarly frank and revealing story about drug-taking in the sport? I read recently that the retrospective tests on ‘98 TdF blood samples showed near universal use of EPO within the peloton. Love to hear your wise and honest take on the role that ‘drugs’ had, and maybe still have, on pro cycling.
This would be so awesome
This was a really great and interesting story-time with Chris Horner.
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Outstanding story! I wouldn't want to be the 2 young American riders right now, having to go through the stress they are going through at all. I pray it works out for them. Especially in today's financial issues. My friend I trained with went through that stress also, and he had a family. Thanks for sharing!
Right. I started having kids in 1997. It adds to the stress for sure when you don’t know who you will be working for in a couple month time and you got little ones at home. 😬🤔🦋
I remember that stage of the 2011 Tour and listening to what you were asking after the finish line.
I was cringing, asking myself why your management didn't immediately pull you from the race. It was obvious you were concussed and were in no shape to ride.
Hat's off for keeping it rubber side down for the rest of the stage when your brain was barely working!
Cycling Highlights just put out a 2 1/2 hour video on the Festina affair. Love the channel Chris. You’re really a great dude for putting this much work into your channel.
5:16 Right there, Chris joined the Hair-luminatti, sacrificing scalp fuzz for cycling glory, a la Laurent Fignon, which he actually looks like. Oh by the way, when I was growing up bikes such as Gitane [steel] were the RAGE!
That was really interesting !
Also looking forward to the stories of how the riders lived through the Festina tour.
I am always enjoying Chris' analysis and I have mad respect for his openness and smart insights (I love the knucklehead analyses ^^). I just wonder if he will ever do a storytime about doping and whether he will admit he took some or perhaps explain about his experiences with it in the peloton. I would be very interested to hear an open conversation about that, about the pressures for the athletes and about the opinions of colleagues.
Ok, this story time makes it so much more real and knowing that 200k gets eaten up in taxes, agent fees and housing basically means you need to be making at least 400k to be even semi comfortable
Yes. 200k disappeared quickly. After taxes, travel, agents,and cycling expenses. It paid the bills but didn’t leave much left. At 400k things started to get easier. 🤔🦋👊
Love your stories. You would create a great book. "Butterflies and Knuckleheads in the World of Pro Cycling" . I would preorder the book and would have to get a Chesterfield to sit in while I read 📚 it .
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Love it! Storytime was a great episode. Thanks for the inside info. I always come away for your analysis more educated than before. Makes watching races much more enjoyable. Thanks Chris!
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Chris continues to give some of the best insights in the pro sports in the business. I’ll take one Chris Horner over all the Vandevelde‘s in the planet.
Awesome to hear JB being such a standup guy. I love his commentary over on the Wedu channel. Would love to get you two talking together on a story time episode or something like that. Keep it up!
Love these stories. Your race analysis is excellent. Watching these videos for last few years. Looking forward to next years racing and knuckle head commentary 😊
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Thanks for those insider stories,Chris. You did yourself well through all that hard work!
memory recall is uncanny. fluid, no hesitation. impressive. oh, and the stories are very interesting.
Thanks for that Chris, very informative insight into the realities of pro bike riding at the top level. God bless you and you're family.
This is the video that every aspiring junior or espoir should watch (and ensure their parents dont!). Nothing like depending on race winnings to pay your next meal. Would love more stories like this... especially the North American pro scene in the 90's/00's vs the euro scene. Thanks, Chris!
That a great topic for story time. 👊🦋
Greetings from Thailand. Great video! Thanks for sharing your real life experiences during your pro career.
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This is so insane on so many levels as it is hard enough to be a world class bicycle racer - dangerous, demanding, takes years off your life, then have to deal with not getting paid. I can't even get some of the workers to put in a 1/2 days worth of work on the construction site. Thank you for this incredible story time!!!
I love the complete transparency in these stories wow i didnt expect to get hooked that good. This is my first storytime and im waiting eagerly for the next one! Thanks !!
Chris, I love your candidness on pro cycling. Can you or will you ever talk about the doping usage? You are the only person to have ridden with Lance who has never got busted. When and will you come clean? We as fans of you kinda know the truth. It would be nice if you and Floyd would get together and straighten it all out.
I love story time, thanks for the insight into the peloton. 👍
Thanks Chris!
By far the best cycling content out there!
Keep it up!
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This is why the big time American gravel cyclists (the like 3 or 4 of them that exist) are turning down the European road teams. They're making more in the US with their more independent sponsorship arrangements than they'd be paid on a team.
Yep. It’s a risk to go over. 🦋🤞
RE: Mercury. That Verbruggen was a criminal
Wonderful storyline.
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Enjoyed that. Honest about the situation.
Just a great story Chris. Very interesting. We need more story times 👍
A really interesting video. Thanks for going through all of this. Really shows how chaotic cycling is.
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Looking forward to tomorrow: Rogla, Pogi, Remco, Mas, Billy Carapaz, Pinot, Chavez (some of them already won Il Lombardia. And last race for Primož on Cervelo as he will be on Bora's Specialized.
This one french guy on the team got caught doping😂
so you could ride the Tour completely unconcious. Nuts!
When I lived in New Hampshire (1994-1997: before Switzerland 🇨🇭 ), I read about a woman racer in the New England regional circuit, who would trance-out in the middle of criteriums, and ride lap after lap, somewhat like a fish in the middle of a moving school swimming together. Her competitors knew about; what was radical would be her "snapping out of it" just as the final sprint formed. She won often, due to how relaxed she passed the previous laps.
No idea what a chesterfield is, but it is so great that you talk so candidly about the financial aspect of these athletes we watch on tv. In today’s culture where people seem more willing to talk about sex, religion, anything other than an honest account of the money they make, this is so enlightening. Respect! Thank you.
I believe that it helps to understand the story better if you have the full picture of what’s at stake, especially when someone is telling you it was a hard year. 👊🦋
Missing the '98 TDF and avoiding getting caught up in the mess that Rock Racing ultimately was. Some positives I suppose out of all the stress (listening to the Mercury situation and the UCI response I was definitely thinking WTF?) that your story highlights so well here.
Crazy times that’s for sure. 🦋😱
Lots of good stuff here. Great lessons in wealth management, or lack thereof. Pro cyclists spend a good chunk of their prime wage-earning years struggling to make any money at all. And have the constant worry of whether or not they'll even be on a team next season despite having great results on their resume. I would guess many of them have no money in savings. Nothing set aside for retirement. No formal training for anything post-career. But they lived the life that we all dream of.
. But another cool thing about this clip: did anyone notice that he did this in what is essentially one single shot? He didn't have to stop the camera and make edits; he just spoke from the heart about his career in great detail for 26 minutes without referring to notes or splicing a hundred takes together. And it was easy to follow.
This adds a great perspective on the sport. Thank you! Heard some stories of young talented riders quitting just because of the financial stress each year.
Great personal story!!!!!
Thanks. This was very informative. As a Certified Financial Planner, I am very used to learning about the financial facts and income of others and this was helpful from financial planning perspective.
Hard to plan in cycling when some much is changing from year to year. 👍🦋
So pro cycling is just like any other career👍
What a great and humbling story. Thanks for sharing this. Im glad you had Johan in your life!
Can you do a follow up video about the struggles after retirement?
That's a very humbling story.
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Love your story telling sessions. It's great to get a real life perspective on the struggles of pro cyclists. You guys deserve a ton of respect for the job you do. In my opinion, the paycheck does not match the effort, pain and risk you face every time you get on your bike.
It's refreshing to hear actual numbers.
Great to hear your real-world behind the scenes stories!
Great insight Chris
Fantastic video young Chris! Brings back memories of racing and working full time... training rides in the mornings and going to work second shift in a nut factory. Racing on the weekends and taking vacation time for stage races.
These are some of your best podcasts. Keep the stories coming!
Great to illustrate the less enjoyable parts of professional racing, and good to know this with everything happening right now. Thanks again.
this video deserves alot of views! should be a netflix docuseries or something
Very inspiring story. Good to see the Mercury jersey. I remember seeing you out front in the Simi ride here in So Cal back in 2000 thinking you had enough of Europe. Boy, was I wrong. 13 years later watching you win the Vuelta was very special. What a career...
Great stories Chris ---you were born with incredible tenacity! Anyone clawing their way to the top takes so much sacrifice...I remember Eric Marcotte in MN who was tearing everyone's legs off and then I heard he somehow held a full time job as a chiropractor in AZ -- then he won the USPro championships in 2014! crapy wages however perhaps guarantees that riders are in it for the love of the sport of cycling -- not necessarily all the $$ ...like we see a lot elsewhere in other sports...
Oh man, I bet you’re glad you dodged that Rock Racing bullet. There was a whole lot of controversy around that team at the time
Very informative and entertaining. I now have a much better idea of what goes on behind the scenes in pro cycling. Thanks for sharing.
Chris, thanks for this behind the scenes look at what pro cyclists experience. I enjoy your no holds barred analysis, keep it up! 👏👊
Brillaint honest account of things Chris. Really refreshing to just hear it how it is with no BS. Makes me kinda sad Johans been treated like he has - listen to the move just to get his view on things.
I wonder if the ebay buyers realised what they got?
I am Swiss Basel- my Tipp for young riders is first France in an amateur Division National 1 equipe
They are far better organized than almost all Continental Teams and you r getting food and accommodations for free and it’s the step to get in World Tour teams like Vendée U, CC etuppes, etc
These teams must adhere to strict criteria professional staff etc and they get public money from cities and department etc
I have a friend who raced Continental and it was far less
Fantastic! Thank you. Looking forward to next story time. You are Da Maaaannnn.
Chris is giving, whether he intended to, a reason to anyone who wonders why pro athletes, especially cyclist, use illegal PEDs, if you're not winning, your not getting paid well. It's simple not the same as other sports, and that's a shame, these guys, and women now, are totally dedicated to being the best..
Now I really feel bad for Matteo Jorgenson having just accepted a contract with jumbo
Yeah Chris we need more recollection of the good old days I have been a Velo News subscriber since 1982 and that was the only way to find out what was going on in Europe and you were one of the guys that bugged out of the US and I couldn’t believe you were with FDJ because I knew what the French did to Greg Lemond so I was just shaking my head and I know what you had to do and I know what the sport was at that time so I will never judge you but come on dude did you ever feel sorry about the French dudes who couldn’t do what you were doing there were some guys who could have been way better than you but you know and I know so don’t toot your own horn 😊
Love the insight Chris! I followed your career for all of those years and these incredible details just add icing on the Chris Horner, Coke and Snickers flavored cake!
Loved the story Chris! Great insight into the part of pro cycling we often don't hear too much about!
What a great story and an inspiration. Thanks for sharing, Chris!
As of Friday morning Sporza is reporting the merger/takeover is off. Good news for the riders and staff. Thanks for storytime!
Hi Chris: Thank you for your story. I did enjoy it and appreciate your telling it. John USA
Great insight. Thanks
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Thank you Chris horner
❤ THE VIDEO I did the uspro as well godbless
Defiantly wanna hear a story time book out the festina team
6:57 Chris are you the techno viking?
Great video Chris, you are true CHAD
Awesome story. Did that Athens Twilight ;) who knew you would win a grand tour. Epic.
I love these storytime vids.
At that time, the NFL contract minimum was something like $35k. It was rough
huh? 2003 NFL minimum salary was $225k
Thank you so much for this lesson. 💗
Chris, wow! Your videos are always great, race analysis and back stories at such a high level, but this was outstanding, so interesting
and compelling! Thanks, a lot! Enjoy your Chesterfield, well earned!
I love story time!
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I often think about how VERY little most cyclists make. If anything. For most, it truly is the love of the sport. Much respect!
Crazy how there’s always enough money for the executives and owners, but they all cry broke when it’s time to pay the workers.
Also, I’m so sorry to hear about your concussion. Glad you made it
Thanks for sharing this ...im your fan allways ...🎉..its important to tell this ...its real life
Back in 1972 when I raced amateur we were lucky to win bike parts
Very interesting!