Lance Armstrong: The rise, fall, and growth of a cycling legend | The Peter Attia Drive, Ep. 178
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Lance Armstrong is a legendary figure in professional cycling having won seven consecutive Tour de France titles but also a controversial figure facing scrutiny for the use of performance enhancing drugs. In this episode, Lance takes us through his meteoric rise to one of the most famous athletes in the world and his equally accelerated fall from grace. Lance describes how he persevered through his brutal diagnosis of testicular cancer before rattling off a historic run of seven consecutive Tour de France titles all while facing tremendous scrutiny for his alleged use of performance enhancing drugs such as EPO and cortisone. Lance opens up about his decision to come clean about his use of performance enhancing drugs, the remorse for how he treated other people during that time in his life, and the personal growth that’s helped him emerge on the other end of that. Finally, Lance recounts some of favorite stories from his cycling career, reflects on his legacy, and explains how he stays fit at age 50.
We discuss:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:10 - What everyone wants to know-yes and no questions
00:02:45 - Lance’s childhood and beginnings of a great athlete
00:14:17 - Lance’s realization that he had a knack for racing after his first pro race at age
00:18:05 - The move to cycling full time and a desire to compete in the Olympics
00:22:35 - Metrics tracked early in Lance’s career and his time with Motorola team
00:31:30 - The grueling nature of the Tour de France and the beginnings of serious drug usage in cycling
00:42:36 - The impact of EPO on cycling performance
00:46:55 - Testicular cancer diagnosis-denial, torturous symptoms, and treatment
01:03:16 - Livestrong is born
01:07:02 - Return to cycling post-cancer and a crossroad in Lance’s career
01:15:35 - Lance’s rise to prominence in the late 90s and the growing use of EPO in the sport
01:31:34 - Racing in the early 2000’s, blood transfusions, and rivalry with Jan Ulrich
01:45:45 - Retirement in 2005 and a comeback in 2009
01:52:20 - Lance’s decision to come clean and tell the truth
02:00:52 - Growth through downfall: learning from his mistakes and helping others after their own fall from grace
02:12:33 - Moving forward: Living his life, reflecting on his legacy, the state of Livestrong
02:21:00 - Turning back the clock: Advice Lance would give to his 15 year-old self
02:26:56 - Keeping fit at age 50
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In this episode, we discuss:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:10 - What everyone wants to know-yes and no questions
00:02:45 - Lance’s childhood and beginnings of a great athlete
00:14:17 - Lance’s realization that he had a knack for racing after his first pro race at age
00:18:05 - The move to cycling full time and a desire to compete in the Olympics
00:22:35 - Metrics tracked early in Lance’s career and his time with Motorola team
00:31:30 - The grueling nature of the Tour de France and the beginnings of serious drug usage in cycling
00:42:36 - The impact of EPO on cycling performance
00:46:55 - Testicular cancer diagnosis-denial, torturous symptoms, and treatment
01:03:16 - Livestrong is born
01:07:02 - Return to cycling post-cancer and a crossroad in Lance’s career
01:15:35 - Lance’s rise to prominence in the late 90s and the growing use of EPO in the sport
01:31:34 - Racing in the early 2000’s, blood transfusions, and rivalry with Jan Ulrich
01:45:45 - Retirement in 2005 and a comeback in 2009
01:52:20 - Lance’s decision to come clean and tell the truth
02:00:52 - Growth through downfall: learning from his mistakes and helping others after their own fall from grace
02:12:33 - Moving forward: Living his life, reflecting on his legacy, the state of Livestrong
02:21:00 - Turning back the clock: Advice Lance would give to his 15 year-old self
02:26:56 - Keeping fit at age 50
Oh great ! I have 3 years to catch up
Very good interview Peter, u asked all the right questions I would have asked, and all done in a good timely manner, it was the perfect interview and I really enjoyed it, hit the spot. I still think lance is a legend to win the tour 7 times doping or not, one still has to be good to achieve the likes of that,
ua-cam.com/video/LLVOCV5Nlms/v-deo.html
so....how'd he do in the sim?
triage first, then decimate 10/10
I don't comment on things often. But this is the best interview of Lance I've seen. Outstanding Peter.
absolutely 100% agree. i think this is probably the best conversation peter has ever aired. (its part an interview...has a flavor of interrogation too and then the raw friendship). plus if your a cyclist, this is gold
I was going to make the same comment.
@@TaggeMD The "interrogation" part; got that same impression as well. Lance wasn't all too comfortable during a portion of that. He's complicated, aren't we all. Kudos to Peter for one of the best Lance interviews I've seen.
Absolutely agree. Kudos to Peter 👍
Agree!
Thank you for this. I was always a big Lance Fan. I would like him to know he had a big part in saving my Son's Life. Let me explain. I read Lance's book: It's not about the bike. My Son was a College track athlete and Lance's book moved me. About a year after reading this book, my Son was diagnosed with a stage 4 cancer - Lymphoblastic Lymphoma. Prognosis was not good. He was diagnosed at a small regional hospital that had not seen this type of cancer before. Remembering the book, I brought it back out and read it again that night after the diagnosis and insisted he go to where Lance was treated, IU Medical Center in Indianapolis, IN. That decision was a big part in saving his life and I would not have known about this if I did not read his book. 15 years cancer free now. Lance - thank you!
Great story. Respect to all of you.
Amazing. You should tell him.
So good to hear!!!
For everything Lance did "wrong " the fact that he did all he could to help the cancer community trumps all in my mind. My wife is a 3 time cancer survivor, and the strength it takes to battle that disease makes any race insignificant.
As someone who has fucked up terribly in life and come back from it, Lance is actually a bigger hero to me now. I've lied and done terrible things to people, as well. Lance is a more relatable hero. No one is perfect. To me, he's still a seven-time Tour winner.
Thank you for this great comment, I feel the exact same way about Lance. And yes, give him his 7 titles back, such complete BS for people to act like he didn’t still eat those titles.
sounds like peas in a pod.
LOL, he would be to a character like you (as you described yourself.)
@@BrianAdams-dt1ks I also love steroids.
This raises the old question of whether it is greater to be born with all the right instincts and the right environment, so that you can never make a mistake, or to be a person who makes mistakes, owns them, and grows into a person who doesn't repeat those mistakes. I think the latter is greater, because it requires much more courage and resolve.
I agree that Lance's mistakes and subsequent growth make him more relatable for me, but I think it is a mistake to hold any person up as a hero, because all people are fallible and will let you down sooner or later.
Without doubt the most human interaction I've ever witnessed with Lance.
“I had a problem with balls my whole life.” WHAT A LINE
Right?! Attia just glossed right over it too. C’mon!
@@mcgeek4781 I don’t think he caught it in fairness
Great line, with multiple layers of meaning.
Wasted opportunity! My dude dropped the ball! Dropped the ball…dropped…
Enhance Notstrong the STEROID LOSER!
Stay natural buddy!
When the interviewer has unparalleled knowledge about the "subjects" you get a sensational interview. Congrats!
Often better knowledge than Lance himself! Although around @1:15:00 then Lance was surprised about about Peter's lack of knowledge about cortisone, although I'd say that is more a reflection about how extremely highly Lance thinks of Peter's expertise that when Peter shows a small gap in his knowledge then Lance gets surprised.
Those questions were soft, and pre-agreed to. Notice he didn’t say a word about Frankie and Betsy Andreu.
@@RogueCylonI wouldn't say soft... It's factual and the interesting stuff about the steroids and epo is in there. For what it is, it's a great interview.
Some of the darker stuff of lance his psyche is certainly left out though. At the beginning they speak about lemond for example..didn't lance put him out of business out of spite and revenge. The feud between him and Greg is never mentioned. Not exactly remember the Andreu's but its similar I believe where lance tried to destroy these people.
@@dco1019 yes, he tried to destroy all of them. Also the girl at the sun glasses company, he didn’t like. Made sure she was fired.
@@RogueCylon yes, I'm amazed at how easily people are enthralled by this guy, and so many fanboys that are unable/unwilling to accept the facts of what he did. Narcissistic personalty disorder and psychopathy describes the behavior of a person who did the kinds of things he did to so many people for so many years in order to deflect and cover up the systematic crime spree he undertook in professional cycling.
Wow Peter! THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST INTERVIEW of Lance! Thank you Peter really! It’s simply because of extremely high knowledge of the sport of cycling and physiology due to your background in medicine so there are no BS questions and Lance feels comfortable.
It is SO refreshing. I wish truly all the best to Lance in his future, we could all learn from his highs and lows as we are all facing our challenges and how he beat cancer. The tremendously good he did for cycling at the time and cancer foundation. I mean everyone watched the tour because of Lance….
Lance will never change. Attacks every one who alleged he was doping, never apologized.
For a cycling fan this interview is pure gold. For a Lance Armstrong fan, it's platinum. Amazing and thank you!
how can you support a guy like this?
@@jonatanleandoer9006 I understand the gravity of LA's behavior when he was a professional and attacking all those that would be accusing him of doping. But I'm looking at LA today, his reparation, and the totality of his professional cycling achievements which despite EPO use was tremendous. So today, I can call myself a fan of Lance Armstrong.
@@cesarjom alright, I live by once a dick - always a dick
@@jonatanleandoer9006 wasn't only once also. It was a continuous cycle of dickness
@@dumitriuradu8481 true
I had no intention of watching this… it came on accidentally, but I couldn’t stop. The spectrum of human emotion is beautiful
I'm still a fan of Lance despite everything that happened. He was a great cyclist and competed in an era where many riders did EPO etc.. I'm glad he's doing well and grown past his mistakes.
This is the Lance Armstrong interview I've always wanted to listen to. Thank you Peter (and Lance).
This interview is 100x better than ESPN's Lance documentary. Thank you.
No way
Nope, the documentary tells the whole story on how awful this guy really is
@@dutchman063 *was
@@litedawg still is...you can tell he still thinks he did nothing wrong and is proud of what he done by the way he thinks his legacy should be... the guy is really not a good human being, even after all he has done
@@dutchman063 lets see, he raised half a billion dollars for cancer, and I honestly dont give a f#ck how he is off the bike. What made him an assassin on the bike didnt help him off the bike, but I realy dont care. I want my athletes to win , not be a pussy .
Lance was an absolute beast in the early noughties, absolute legend in my books. Loved seeing him smash out watts, fully juiced to the gills, storming up Alpe d'Huez. Good bloody times
A fake cyclist. A dirty legend.
I’ve always been a fan of Lance Armstrong. I’ve loved his book. It’s not about the bike for years and the attitude that he had especially when others saw cold, wet and windy conditions, and they griped and he saw an opportunity he has done more for the world of cycling than anybody else in history, he said to people, even though you’re older than 13 it’s still OK to ride the bike. Look at the industry he has created in the United States. Fabulous interview.
Doc I've been around cycling since '82. Saw Lance from a junior, his bald head at Zilker Park, his win in DTA, to his 7 Tours. This was the most informative, in-depth, fair and productive interview I've ever seen with LA. You did an excellent job. Well done.
Zilker!
Did he cheat in all 7 tours??
@@marky1974You mean just like all his top opponents? Sheep..
"There's a reason why the windshield is bigger than the rear view mirrors"...I'll treasure this outstanding quote. Excellent interview, it's impressive how Peter has been able to balance his passion for the sport with the scentific acumen through his questions.
500watts for 30minutes! He is a robot!!!! Awesome interview by the way.
Possible when your on Anavar….Clenbuterol….Erythropoietin….blood doping etc….
@@chrisvig123
If the combined peds add 10%, you still have to develop 450 watts
I had a max wattage of 480 watts (meaning I pushed it for a minute at the end of the test) and I cannot imagine what I would have to do to hold 450 for half an hour (or in Wiggo's case, for a complete hour)
@@chrisvig123 you can take all that and more. You still would get dropped like a fucking snow flake by the pros. You can't turn a mule into a race horse.
He is like an experiment, a terminator.
As legendary as his accomplishments might be, it's a challenge to see Mr Armstrong in a sympathetic light given the ways he damaged other people's lives to protect his own interests. Even when the game was up, he chose the left-hand path many times, causing destruction willfully. Is there anyone in the entire world more qualified to interview him than Dr Attia? Phenomenally knowledgeable about cycling, human physiology, cancer, Lance's career. This interview is excellent and very interesting. I'd watch an interview with anyone, but the act of listening to someone's point of view and experiences shouldn't be misunderstood as support for their choices in life.
A couple of things make this interview pairing perfect: Peter’s deep knowledge of physiology and cycling, and his personal vulnerability in publicly discussing his own flaws and mistakes. Lance has always struck me as both wicked smart and wise beyond his years. Both men are as articulate as they come. What I came away with was a new appreciation for Lance’s resilience and ability to not just survive one of the greatest falls ever, but to thrive. Unbreakable. Definitely worthy subject matter for another book.
I truly believe LA is a born winner. It he'd gone into business, politics, ballet, anything he won of driven him to the top. And he's done it again with his post fall career, he has the best podcast. If the roping has never come out I think he would of gone on and won the iron-man and as ridiculous as it sounds I think he may have become president. But I have a feeling he's happier and person more at peace with the world now
No one is perfect. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Lance was and still will always be a hero and an inspiration to me. ❤️
Surfs up 🏄♂️
Says a lot about you
You want to know who is without sin the thousands of honest sportsman and women who don’t cheat who work their guts out to reach a level of sporting excellence that acts as a inspiration for a million kids around the world who live in a world where drugs are a cheap escape and it offers them something different something to be proud off
It's not cheating when you go in a race using the same tools as your opponents. It's a shame to continue to put everything on the athletes rather than on the bosses of the sports world who make cheating a possibility, a good one.
@@dieddf and the sponsor's who wouldn't think twice to replace you with another golden goose.
I’m a 54-year-old who got into cycling in triathlon back in 1989 and 1990 in my life I’ve seen Lance Armstrong go from hero to superhero, to super villain, and now back to super fucking hero again. It has been a privilege to watch all of this, one day I hope to meet Lance and tell him how many people still love him, and are inspired by him. Vulnerability with humility makes Lance a Zen Master in my book.
Thank you Peter for your vibe and your insightful questions. How in the world have I not found you until today? Thank you for your work, much love. Namaste Peeps 🙏🏼
he doesn't care about any of you. Duh. Stop making idols out of fallen men
seriously. you need better heroes.
I’m with you. I still love him.
This is by far the best Interview I had seen for the last decade hands down. As a matter of fact, I rewatched it already 3-4 times. Absolutely thrilled and extremely motivated. Thanks both, Lance and Pete. Amazing job.
Can't believe I just stumbled upon this. Just finished Dr Attia'a book and have profound respect for him AND have been a cycling fan and watched and cheered for Lance for years. Still loved his Wedu podcast. This is just great.
“I will ride for as long as this body will allow me to ride”……to me that says it all . That is what makes an athlete great. It’s not what you do but who you are. Great Interview.
I also agree with, and practice what he said about power meters, HRMs (I don't even have a COMPUTER on my ride currently!), and NOT ever putting the bike in the car to DRIVE to a place to ride (YES Lance, it defeats the whole purpose!) 👍
I was cyclist back in the 80’s & 90’s then I turned my back on the Tour & road biking after Landis & Hamilton…as pro cycling seemed a fraud. I always defended Lance as the best as they ALL were tainted. The sum of things is he’s done far more good, gave far more happiness to fans & cancer victims as well lined the pockets of ALL cycling associated professions financially. We are all imperfect and through self discovery we can only hope to become better human beings over time. Time heals. Thanks for this interview.
I agree with most of what you're saying and I think he is doing well now, but the argument that all were doing it doesnt work that way. There are levels to doping and the US Postal Tam basically had the most advanced systematic doping program ever. Furthermore Lance had the ability to sweep a positive test under the rug because of his connections. Other riders had to be much more careful and therefore couldnt dope as extensively.
'The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.' William Shakespeare
Probably wouldn't love the love of cycling (live to ride literally) that I do if it wasn't for lance and that era of the TdF...mired in the controversy and ultimately fraud that there was...i could still enjoy the viewing and even when I turned of the TdF after, my love of cycling only grew.
Right on! More good than bad....though I imagine the people and lives he directed destroyed wouldn't say the same...and the good could have been achieved without tearing down what he did.
I have never sat this long to watch an interview and never been this hooked to one. You're two beasts
What an incredible interview. Did not expect to be glued to the laptop for 2.5 hours-plus, but this was truly a ride.
Clearly Lance has come to terms with his history but I've always contended he was an awesome rider period. He avoided mishaps, crashes, injury for 7 tours. Great work Peter - you have a big road ahead of you.
He didn't avoid drugs though
Neither did anyone else in the peleton
@@derekeadie6230 oh that makes it ok then 😄
@@dumitriuradu8481 Equal dope, equal playing ground. He's still one of the most legendary and talented cyclists that will ever exist in the sport, and that can't be erased. Yes, he did bad things. No, he wasn't a good person. Parts of him can still be admired, it isn't all black and white if you're reasonable.
@@desertrainfrog1691 equal dope? Doubt it unless you be been a witness to the blood transfusions in every team. The only goat is Michele ferrari
Best interview of Lance ever ! My hero and greatest of all time, he won 7 tours no matter what anybody says! Cheers 🍻
He won nothing.
@@GetOnTheFloor82 7 tours greatest man ever on a bike...it will never be beaten in a 100 years
@@DublinDapper grow up he won nothing
Thanks for the converstation; really enjoyed it. Truly believe Lance is one of the toughest humans out there. I work with patients and have heard thousands of people's stories.
Thank you Peter for a wonderful discussion and thank you Lance for your candor and openness. I am so glad Lance has done so well. And thank you Lance for the thrills my son and I got to enjoy from our couch!
Excellent interview! I raced against Lance when he was a teen, and his attitude was a tour de force! I lost a lot of respect over the years but over the years I gain a lot of love for him. This interview shows the human side of sport, man and experiences. It’s great to see someone coming full circle in realigning values and priorities! Thank you for doing this!
I too raced against him in the triathlon world, back in the late 80's. He was brash, he was cocky, but, he was good! I remember being on a training ride in '91-'92 with a former road pro national cycling winner, telling him about this guy who had been crushing us in tri's and was starting to make a splash in cycling. His response was "Great, another Greg Lemond" (maybe not so much in a good way). Funny thing was, when Lance won CoreStates and the triple crown in '93, this former pro had to eat crow when he interviewed Lance after the race.
Imagine being Floyd Landis and have the entire cycling community ostrich you because of what this little bitch said, if I'm ever riding and he's near, I'll put him into the curb/ tree/ side mirror etc
Are you delusional?
I also raced him back in 1987 in the spaghetti flying mountain cross country club his tomato powered feet was to much I just couldn’t believe it
Enhance Notstrong the STEROID LOSER!
Stay natural buddy!
When I was very young, I had extended family who were competitive cyclists, and one worked in the industry and was well known. I regularly went to road races and I attended several track nationals. I remember Greg Lemond, and I specifically remember the year Eric Heiden joined cycling. Though I was a pre-teen, I vividly recall the doping talk that exploded out of nowhere in 80 or 81. The intel and gossip about who was doing what was rampant. What stood out was the passion of everyone involved. My sense, even at that age, was talk of doping at that amplitude was new. The purists were angry, and the community seemed fractured. I vaguely remember attending races after 81 or 82. The heated doping controversy among insiders is the last thing I remember. Hearing Lance talk about that time and the "old timers who aren't talking" brought it all back, and I think it goes back farther and deeper than he suggested. I watched the anger in the community in 80 and/or 81 consume everything. Then I never went back. A time later I recall the family member who worked in the industry describe how everything "changed" for the worse. He was in the center of it all, and I imagine he knows as much as anyone.
Probably it was different (more basic) substances back in the 80s? To me it sounds like Lance talks about when it became more "high tech"
Doping in cycling goes back to the first TdF in 1903, only the methods and means have changed over the years.
I've watched cycling since the mid-80s and one of my enduring memories is of this brash American coming over the last rise and descending to the finish in Oslo '93. Enthralling interview. My first inklings of the EPO era was certainly Ariostea and later Gewiss-Ballan in 93-94. It was the induction of sports medicine into the peloton during that period. Another memory is Ullrich winning the U23 Worlds. Ullrich, probably the most gifted cyclist I've ever seen ride a bike. Redemption is what you do for other people.
This is one of my very favourite interviews of all time. Honest, candid, direct. Thank you Peter and Lance.
For those that have never erred will not appreciate Lance. Hats off to you, Sir. 'Shoes on, let's go'!
Wow! As a former cyclist this was such a wonderful interview. Peter you crushed this one. 🔥
100%
Former?! get after it bro
Enhance Notstrong the STEROID LOSER!
Stay natural buddy!
Yes, this is the best interview I have seen of Lance Armstrong - the interviewer possesses a unique combination of deep knowledge of the sport of cycling and medical training along with incredible interviewing skills. It helped that Lance was forthcoming, yet the interviewer drew Lance in.
Peter, this is by far the best LA interview I’ve ever heard. He is a very complex character, which is what makes him so interesting. The way that you weave in and out of the various facets of his life - medical, psychological, fitness, racing, etc. - is brilliant. Given your background, you are the only person that could do an interview like this. I’m glad to see that he has begun to “unpack” so many of the demons that have haunted him throughout his life. Despite everything, I have tremendous admiration for LA, and I hope he gets to rewrite some of his bad history going forward.
Easily the best interview with Lance Armstrong I've ever heard, I think you got the best from him. We got to see the man. Thank you.
Sixty years of age and never before watched a two and a half hour interview......this was a corker, thanks. Good to see the human being that is Lance Armstrong; my respect for him, and where he is now, have returned. Chapeau.
Peter asked almost all of the questions that I’ve always wished other interviewers would have asked. Great interview!
I liked the answer to "the look". The Boss trying to explain why he is driven to win without letting everyone know. The guy who beat everyone at their own game ❤
Truly, one of the best interviews I’ve ever watched. Great job!!!
One of the best sport related interviews. Peter is right on the ball,knows what he is talking about and the interaction with Lance just simply flows. No bullshit..No avoidance of any issue.. Kept my attention,perhaps because it is very human and interesting too. Brilliant,thank you.
Lance is such a good bullshitter that he appears sincere. I think they call it psychopathy, lol.
@@BetwixtDandD so are you saying he is like every ‘Elite’..or every politician,or every Corporate spokesperson..perhaps every Mainstream Media outlet..or every Newspaper. Or is this just you disliking someone because he took the same drugs as many other top level athletes at the time,from many sports...he was though almost as arrogant as the American Government and their arrogance throughout the world,but let’s just blame Lance!
@@felixjackson2670 No. I was talking stricktly about Lance Armstrong. I don't know about 'every Elite" but I followed Armstrong through his carrier as a pro-cyclist, impressed by his incredible achievements... until one day he himself confessed that it was all lies...
@@BetwixtDandD Unlike you most people can recognise sincerity " laugh out loud "
2.5 hours of lance without a single 'lets take care of a little business'
I love Lance and Lmaaaaooo. That’s funny!
@@MiamiCycling305 Yep, me too, therefore I know everything that it is possible to know about the Oura ring and Powerdot.
Enhance Notstrong the STEROID LOSER!
Stay natural buddy!
See you in the douches!
The ROIDERS like to tell us that STEROIDS really doesn't do that much. Then why should people buy the supplements they sell/endorse?
They want us to believe their supplements are more effective than STEROIDS?
ROIDERS are LYING DECEIVING CROOKS!
Stay natural buddy!
Today I watched this episode again and it has to be the best of the best sit down conversations with Lance, and nobody else has been able to do it. I truly feel Lance was not only completely honest and forthright but you were able to get Lance to finally not feel defensive. Recently I have been revisiting other past coverage and interviews on, and with Lance, and I caught myself not liking him. But today I can say that I am glad that I still have the yellow wrist band that I purchased and his books because I supported him then and appreciate him for the man he is today. Quite frankly it's all because of this podcast interview you did. Thank you, thank you, thank you
Best interview of Lance I have seen! Peter - Loved how you started the conversation with Yes - No questions. Brilliant!
Hands down the best Lance interview of all time! Thank you Peter and Lance! 🙌🏼🙏🏼
Great interview - Lance, thank you for all the wonderful years of cycling! You'll forever be a legend to me and so many others. Your level of competition and commitment is unmatched. Your yellow jersey hangs on my wall. Thank you!
Outstanding interview, so open and down to earth, even in the most personal questions. Thank you so much.
Thank you Peter-- the best Lance interview ever. Maybe we like judging others because we can't accept our own faults. This conversation was great.
Total Excellence on both these guy's counts...amazing interview. And Lance is not kidding that he will go see someone dealing with a cancer diagnosis. He saw a young friend of ours twice during his treatment, and so far he has won the thing, and Lance's visits surely contributed to the entire process.
The best interview of Lance I ever seen , can bring him to your studio one more time
This is a class act interview. Textbook for how great interviews should be done. No agenda or narrative trying to be pushed.
This is possibly the most relaxed and open I've seen Lance in an interview, don't think he's that relaxed on his own podcast. Objective and non judgemental, truly interested in how things went down and what the mechanism was and how it all worked.
Huge difference between this interview and a miserable interview with a journalist, I've seen them all. Many people have been waiting for one of these and it was a great one, very well done Peter.
To be fair, it's a fairly soft ball interview conducted by somebody that seems to be a personal friend of Lance. It's a good interview. But it asks no question beyond what Lance is comfortable to talk about. Not hard being relaxed.
No one else like Lance, one of the best. People need to look in their own closet before passing judgement. I will always see him as the greatest cyclist.
Peter, one of the best, and insightful interviews on Lance I’ve ever seen…
Thank you! 👍
This is the greatest interview ever. No one can take awake from what Lance achievers previously, during or after his career. He stands tall today. To me. Mad respect to the interviewer and Lance.
Have had so much love for this guy all thru the 90s-2000s and even today following him on STRAVA, he inspired me to ride 30 yrs ago and inspires me daily today, and if you do ride, you know one thing, the training effort to win 7 Tours should be the measure by which we judge. Lance is committed to uncover the truth within himself and share it with us, which takes tremendous humility and a commitment to rejuvenation. As Dr Attia admits, we all have regrettable sins, the difference is in the hearts of those of us who look inward and see our true selves and then have the courage to send our ego's to the corner.
Best interview ever with Lance. Congrats Peter, you did it fantastically well.
When Lance talks about his FTP and he laughs about 500w for 30min and his 7.0w/kg... you can absolutely see the most competitive person alive come out again for a brief moment.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he is still proud of those numbers.
You can laugh at those numbers too if you take enough substance!
@@martinrose9794I would think for the majority of people, the vast and over whelming majority it would not matter what they took they would never see those numbers. Those numbers are the result of being genetically gifted and taking the right substances under expert supervision
@@Phil-dx8rw loads of bulls. He got the best drugs from the best drug store in town prescribed by the best witch doctor. USADA called it the most advanced doping programme the cycling world has ever seen! Before he met Michell Ferrari in 1999, LA took every enhancing performance drug there was (there's where he got those cancer) but he was nobody. The best he could done was mid-field finisher on grand tours and the funny thing is he can't even climb. Woila, wiith those juices he became an all rounder overnight. Bet you must love those fairy tales movies.
@@100flite not saying he did not have the best doc but let's be real here the vast and overwhelming majority of people can not get to those numbers regardless of what they take. It take a genetic freak, very hard training, disciplined lifestyle in terms of nutrition and the best doctors. The majority of us are not genetic freaks, I know many people who take epo and the benefits are about a 10-15% increase in ftp and for most riders in that 70kg category 10-15% will not get them anywhere close to 400w let alone 495.
@@Phil-dx8rw we're talking about TdF top contenders here. Not comparing apples to oranges. Most of the top riders have the numbers. Anyway the point here is Lance wouldn't achieve anything as far as grand tours are concerned without those magical potion from Dr. Ferrari. His pre 1999 data and statistics said it all. Those facts are here to stay.
Peter Attia, awesome discussion. Great job. So glad I watched/listened. I have so much appreciation for Lance Armstrong.
Lance is the perfect illustration that life is complicated. Still don't know exactly how I feel about the PEDs and everything. It's just not black and white. Great interview, Peter.
Peter uses PED's.
Obviously I’m against ped but the top 20 cyclists in lance’s era were also testing positive for something. I think the biggest downfall for lance is the mis representation from his foundation and the amount of money he raised. Bill Burr had a funny and interesting outlook on Lance. The hardwork and althletic mindset of lance still inspires me..
@@jayarizona6464 Yeah, I'm still massively impressed with the accomplishment. Winning seven Tours is just amazing. And, yeah, all his close competition were also on PEDs. That said, it was still cheating. As I said, I'm still conflicted and will probably never have a clear right/wrong view of the whole thing. The personal attacks, however, did cross the line, in my opinion.
@@AZWings it’s a tough one for sure! One thing for sure though was all the people who made millions off of his accomplishments didn’t get penalized or have to return their earnings from him. I’d say let them all use ped so we have a better entertainment. It’s not like mma where they are trying to kill each other. Just kidding. I enjoyed listening about his triathlon years.
@@scooter2163 Glad it's black and white for you. It's not that simple, in my opinion.
“I don’t get in a car to ride my bike.” Amen.
Its probably why he moved to be in Aspen full-time. It's also why I moved to France. Most of America is simply too dangerous to ride your road bikes.
so much detail, nothing left untouched. great interview
Incredible interview! So well done! Glad to see that Lance has perspective on what he has done and where he is going. Thoughtful discussion. Thank you!
You knocked this interview out of the park. I couldn’t stop listening and gave up my morning for it.
Phenomenal interview! Lance is amazing. You have to be incredibly strong to win the TDF 7 times. And beat cancer. And, even more importantly, recoup after being destroyed in front of all the world. This recovery takes a Titan. He is amazing and really an example. Awesome!
He’s a huge cheater and he’s still a Demi god. His foundation has helped countless lives.
I love this man!!!
He is a cheat, a liar, you people create such people.
Armstrong‘s story teaches us: Crime does pay.
One of the best interviews I've seen in a long time. I appreciate Lance's vulnerability. I liked how much Peter knew about Lance and cycling. It really made for a deep and meaningful conversations -lots of great insight and wisdom. Thanks!
Peter, thank you. Outstanding chat. Finally someone gives Lance the honor he deserves. So few people understand the challenges of professional cycling. I was heartbroken to see how they dealt with Lance, when so many others dope. That is the tour d France. Everyone was there…
why does he deserve honour exactly? he perpetrated the biggest fraud in the history of sports. he is an awful person
@@NC-ck5oj he did what they all do, and have done for years.
@@beingandreafabulously you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about when it comes to performance enhancing drugs. thats blatantly obvious if you say what you said
@@NC-ck5oj I appreciate that we have different experiences and thoughts on this topic. Having watched cycling doping since the 70's and how it has been done since the lance take-down. I'm comfortable with my opinions, but certainly respect yours.
Always been a big fan of Lance and great to see him accepting what happened in the past and now moving on to better things. Great interview for both👍
Very interesting body language from LA. You can tell when it comes to some of the specifics about the doping like in '03, he seems to want to limit his responses. The silence is loud in 1:38:28 , he just breezed by the question of how the UCI could overlook the jump in hematocrit and diverts the discussion.
Brilliant Interview and after watching this 2 hour + dialogue its a great to see Lance is moving forward with optimism!
Everybody deserves a "comeback". I respect Lance's ability to deal with and learn from his past errors (and I am not talking about doping) to move forward. I totally agree with windshield/mirror quote.
@@scooter2163 well, I guess it's less about the doping itself (which he certainly wasn't alone in, though I still don't think it was the right thing to do) and more about the way he treated those that accused him of doping, which was disgraceful
@@scooter2163 I hope I haven't misunderstood your comment
@@scooter2163 I definitely agree that I wouldn't know his name, or certainly not yet (I'm a pretty new cycling fan). Honestly I'm still not sure how I feel about him either, I definitely don't want to defend him too much or anything, the way he treated the young rider who broke the omertà, Greg Lemond, etc was totally fucked, I absolutely agree with you. And again, I don't want to defend him, but it seems like he means that he wouldn't change anything in the sense that those things back in the day are things that make him who he is now. Like, without those terrible things he might not have cared about Jan or tried to be a good family man (according to him, which I will trust but I understand if you don't). I guess I just like to see that he appears to be trying to right his wrongs from the past, because he can't change those things. So I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe that is naive. Thank you for replying to my comment nicely too btw, lots of people get super mean straight off the bat
Respect from Australia
Amazing interview Peter Thank you for asking some of the more interesting questions for us who love cycling and also medicine of the sport/everything around it. Cheers!
Best Lance interview I’ve ever seen … great job, both of you.
Peter conducted a masterful interview, especially for the empathetic and growth oriented approach. Really a form of therapy for Lance. Lance is a traumatized person, who hurt others, and also achieved greatness. Nice example that there is some redemption, if we at least try.
Great interview. Lance is undoubtedly a very charming and compelling man. It's a fascinating story and I found myself hanging on every word. The documentaries of his career paint a picture of a man high in narcissistic traits. I'm sure that's one of the reasons he was so successful and probably a major contributor to his downfall.
Find one top level athlete who doesn’t have that mentality. Probably not too many without it.
Just an amazing interview of a man I really looked up to during the tour. He was amazing to watch on a bike. I enjoyed hearing every aspect of lances life story. Amazing interview thanks for this.
Hands down best interview with Lance..amazing work..
i have his signed book "It's not about the bike" and have TdF collection from 99-2005. It's awesome.
Big props to Lance for handling Peter's questions, especially the really tough ones near the end. Someone can talk endlessly about how much they've grown and are not the person they used to, but for Lance to really handle those tough questions, relinquish control over the conversation and let Peter hold moral authority, and answer humbly, that tells me that Lance is for real.
How can you believe a word he says..? Has he apologised to Greg Lemond yet??
@@marky1974That's between him and Lemond. Have you apologized for beating your wife?
Hes a bully and a liar..how can you believe a word he says..has he apologised to Lemond?
That’s how psychopaths are. Don’t be such an easy mark.
He’s a complete bullshitter.
This man helped me understand the struggle my father endured with testicular cancer before I was born. I’ll always thank Lance for bringing cycling to people my age. Most of all he showed me how to fight when you’re down. People need to know most people struggle and it’s not all Hollywood. Great interview, thank you.
Very well done. Great job Peter. Thank you for producing.
The Joe Rogan post cast brought me here being probably one of the most interesting pod casts I ever watched. I think Peter having trained as an athlete is able to ask much more insightful questions, very enjoyable to watch.
I fully enjoy this interview but I still feel that Lance was a phenomenal athlete winning 7 tours all being equal. Thank You, Ric
He won fecall.
FANTASTIC interview!!! Thank you Peter! Lance is a legend in my book, amazing content and information!!
I bet you think everyone who cheats to win is a legend
Wow what a legend is lance ,Dutchman 063 you are a disgrace
@@dutchman063 everyone was cheating you knob
@SCPython If you watch some videos on this topic, or read any interviews of his team mates, the thing that separated Lance from everyone else, even at that top level was his drive to win at all cost. That kind of mind set tends to make you a pain in the ass perfectionist, not only with yourself, but also with everything, and everyone around you. I think his constant micromanaging, constant looking over his team mates shoulders, and pretty much dictating to them what to take, what to eat, how to train... all that pressure from Lance took a big toll on his team mates, and I think many ended up resenting him because of his overbearing behavior. I think on other teams, as they uses the same or similar performance enhancing "additives" the atmosphere was just more laid back, so when confronted with doping accusations, cyclists on other teams where not so eager to throw anyone under the bus.
This is the best Lance Armstrong interview I've seen! Great work Peter!
This was so amazing! I am so thankful Peter did this. Also, I had no idea about any of this stuff and it was awesome to get pretty much Lance’s life story in 3 hours.
I was one of the crowd that believed in Lance and then felt crushed when the whole drug thing came out. Now, what the hell. What’s done is done - it’s old news. I love the Wedu broadcasts, and the bond between all the guys is clearly super strong. Just keep doing what you do Lance 👍🏻
Been waiting for this for a long, long time.
I’m a fan of your dreambuilds Gee, is all the wheel community here?
Well you wasted a time of time.
I don't really like the white background in your thumbnail,but nice build🤓✌️
My man Gee Milner! Keep up with those awesome build contents.
Love your builds my man!
This video was a real landmark for me. 1st time I’d ever heard of Peter Attia, I’ve since become an avid paid up subscriber; and the first time I’d heard lance Armstrong in his own words. What an absolute legend. I’m definitely a big supporter - of both 💪
Just found your podcast and I am catching up on episodes of my interest. This Armstrong interview is the best I've heard him do post Oprah. Great listen.
Lance is one of the greatest American athletes of all time. Seven yellow jersey’s may not be official any longer but he still is the best cyclist of all time. Pro cycling made him a scapegoat for how broken the whole sport is. So glad he came through all of this as well as he has!
He cheated.
Greg LeMond was and is a great cyclist who won WITHOUT doping. Many cyclists have won clean and fair.
Grovel deeper boy.
Thank you for this interview, it made me realize that I've harbored a lot of hate for Lance since everything went down, but now I've got a level of respect for him
Living through this entire story ark as an amateur racer cyclist from the mid 90s to the late 2000s, I watched Lances entire rise and fall. This is probably the best interview. I have a newfound respect for Lance after this interview, and I look forward to seeing him continue to redeem his name.
THIS is awesome! Two of my favorite people in and interview talking about cycling for over 2 hours!!!! Thank you Peter!