People say the Genesis's sound chip is far weaker than the SNES's but now I can see that they are just entirely different beasts. It's stunning what you can do with FM synthesis when you're clever enough.
As a kid I've played games like Sonic 1-2-3, Sunset riders, Rocket knight adventures, Dragon's fury, Earthworm Jim 1-2...... I already knew that it was a beast. Never heard Nintendo fanboys complaining about the Genesis' sound because they probably never played it. Now I have both systems with plenty of games. I can die peacefully!
CathodeRayBlues and also other kinds of FM Synth chips are used in Arcade cabinets,80's and 90's Windows or DOS PC's and the VRC7 module for the Famicom also uses an FM chip the YM2413
@@zxbryc oh, if 2 pcm channels are what you think the Genesis needs, you should check out this guy’s “dual pcm” sound driver: ua-cam.com/video/HNdRVkq1m1Q/v-deo.html I swear, this dude is a god when it comes to programming stuff on the Genesis.
Nah. I can tell what chips are being used. But then again, for you to feel that way is the mark of a good composer who knows their way around the equipment they're using
If someone told you " Hey, listen to this! " you would have said " Yeah it's a FM cover "? This track is really confusing to me. If I listen carefuly I can tell it's not the original one but I've never heard FM doing this.
Wow this makes me wish that more genesis developers actually knew how to use the soundchip effectively. There’s tons of great genesis tunes and the soundchip is great, but there are definitely dozens of games that could’ve benefited from having music that’s this high quality
@@ZanaGBYT no HW tricks were used that weren't used when the genny was new, + PSG channel 3 is never used so you could always put SFX ther, or just swiftly mute a channel that is playing music to play SFX, and then as soon as the SFX is done make it play the part of the track again
@@ZanaGBYT Well, that's kinda what I was saying. You don't need any of those tricks to make good fm music. It just takes practice. Pretty sure koshiro was using split channel 3 mode pretty early on though. In streets of rage 1 at least, maybe revenge of shinobi.
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 It uses an SPC700 chip from SONY. It's about as good as you could get on a home console in 1990. I think the reason why DefleMask doesn't support the SPC700 is because you'd essentially need to make an entirely new instrument mode complete with defined tuning, flagging(echo, noise), and DSP(volume settings). That and you'd need a meter that represents the state of the 64 kilobyte bus. Support for the SPC700 is certainly possible if one was crazy enough to try and mod that into DefleMask, it's clear Delek wouldn't be interested in that.
WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK This sounds soooo similar to the SNES version! I mean I know that you can make the instruments of a soundchip sound hyper accurate to another soundchip, but I always get so impressed. It's also cool to hear this with a song I'm extremely familiar with.
The issue is that the SNES sound chip is a sampler, while the Genesis is a digital synthesizer. Ultimately, there is nothing the Genesis sound chip can do that the SNES chip can't as it could just sample the output from the Genesis - the problem lying in the fact that said samples would be absurdly huge lest they be reduced in quality, thus the SNES sound chip generally sounds muffled by comparison. The Genesis meanwhile technically has 2 sound chips in parallel, which gives it a total of 10 available channels as opposed to the SNES's 8, which when combined with the higher fidelity output, makes it "punchier" than the SNES.
This is amazingly close! This and your VRC7 cover of sonic 3 blue spheres were really a huge surprise to hear! I'm particularly impressed by the VRC7 one because I know just how cripplingly limited that chip is ;)
Well I suppose it also depends on the sound, some are simple and only a few minutes but some are confusing and difficult to get under a FM configuration
Do the Mario! Swing your arms from side to side Come on, it's time to go. Do the Mario! Take one step, and then again Let's do the Mario, all together now! You got it! It's the Mario! Do the Mario! Swing your arms from side to side Come on, it's time to go. Do the Mario! Take one step, and then again Let's do the Mario, all together now! Come on now. Just like that!
The original arranger of the super famicom track was definitely not any aware of stuff such as hard pass gaussian bypass, brr compression or knew how to optimize samples extensively, which is why it sounded like ass in terms of output While with this, it may sound higher quality but the steel drums sound off, it's possible that this track's patches might not fit within 8kb ARAM anyway, specially with that orchestra hit and snare samples I'd say each chip has their own strenghts, if I'm being very honest The sfc has higher sound range Md has higher quality output
For some reason I imagine the best SNES rendition of Green Hill Zone sounding less faithful than this ... idk what that says about anything, cause I still have a bias towards SNES's sound capabilities. Either way, good job as usual.
Actually, a SNES rendition of a Genesis song can sound 100% identical to the source material; since the SNES uses sound samples instead of programmed instruments, you could record a sample of a Genesis song’s instrument and use it in a SNES music tool. Someone did just that and made a perfectly-recreated SNES rendition of Chemical Plant Zone: ua-cam.com/video/Au_CTlKU_7o/v-deo.html
@@RaymanFan1995 Thanks for the bump yo! There's a lot more SNES renditions of various Sonic tunes here, including Green Hill Zone: ua-cam.com/video/rDWbl3YKjj0/v-deo.html
99 seconds left version that aside, great work! I've sorta wanted to start using Deflemask for some time now, what's the learning curve like for someone coming from Famitracker?
Holy cow, how did you make the Sega Genesis like the Snes? Man Vinyl, your chiptune sorcery never ceases to amaze me! Also, out of curiosity, which parts in this cover uses the Earthbound Horn? Also, do you plan on making any more Snes style Genesis covers in the future?
I have two silly little requests, you don't have to if you don't want to, but I'd still like to hear them: Welcome to Wonderland - Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales Final Rescue - Eek! the Cat any style, I just want to hear one of these two songs remixed in any way.
Hey vinylcheese, if you made an album of monster hunter music for me, I could possibly sell that music on my MOnster hunter youtube channel, and split the revenue with you. Would you be interested in this?
Exact same feeling. Also, have you noticed despite this is not a Koji Kondo arrange, Koji Kondo himself began to arrange his theme with that same variation (0:28) many times? For example, in Super Mario Sunshine (where he keeps the original G# and C chords from the original but changes the next phrase) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl brazilian/latin/jazz oriented piano arrangement
![September - Earth, Wind & Fire (NES Style Cover) [0CC-FamiTracker 2A03]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6gB3n5adHZ8/mqdefault.jpg)
People say the Genesis's sound chip is far weaker than the SNES's but now I can see that they are just entirely different beasts. It's stunning what you can do with FM synthesis when you're clever enough.
As a kid I've played games like Sonic 1-2-3, Sunset riders, Rocket knight adventures, Dragon's fury, Earthworm Jim 1-2...... I already knew that it was a beast. Never heard Nintendo fanboys complaining about the Genesis' sound because they probably never played it.
Now I have both systems with plenty of games. I can die peacefully!
CathodeRayBlues and also other kinds of FM Synth chips are used in Arcade cabinets,80's and 90's Windows or DOS PC's and the VRC7 module for the Famicom also uses an FM chip the YM2413
@@zxbryc oh, if 2 pcm channels are what you think the Genesis needs, you should check out this guy’s “dual pcm” sound driver: ua-cam.com/video/HNdRVkq1m1Q/v-deo.html
I swear, this dude is a god when it comes to programming stuff on the Genesis.
The Super Famicom is an 8 channel sampler, it can play the exact same sounds a Mega Drive can play.
The reason a lot of genesis songs are bad is because of the lack of good programs to make the music
Chiptune in 2018 is basically "Let's make people unable to tell what chip is being used", is it not ? Once again, congrats on your job.
I hope not.
Nah. I can tell what chips are being used.
But then again, for you to feel that way is the mark of a good composer who knows their way around the equipment they're using
If someone told you " Hey, listen to this! " you would have said " Yeah it's a FM cover "?
This track is really confusing to me. If I listen carefuly I can tell it's not the original one but I've never heard FM doing this.
Nah I tell it Mario all stars version
The YM2612 could make pcm soundalikes, Toy Story proved that, but I think you had to mess with external chips in the genesis itself to do it
Wow this makes me wish that more genesis developers actually knew how to use the soundchip effectively. There’s tons of great genesis tunes and the soundchip is great, but there are definitely dozens of games that could’ve benefited from having music that’s this high quality
@@ZanaGBYT it's just practice and familirity. don't think vinyl is using any tricks here that weren't known in the 90s.
@@ZanaGBYT no HW tricks were used that weren't used when the genny was new, + PSG channel 3 is never used so you could always put SFX ther, or just swiftly mute a channel that is playing music to play SFX, and then as soon as the SFX is done make it play the part of the track again
@@ZanaGBYT this isn't using the split channel 3 mode or ssg-eg (as far as i can tell)
@@ZanaGBYT Well, that's kinda what I was saying. You don't need any of those tricks to make good fm music. It just takes practice.
Pretty sure koshiro was using split channel 3 mode pretty early on though. In streets of rage 1 at least, maybe revenge of shinobi.
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I had to squint to see if they added SNES support to Deflemask.
That would've been really cool.
God, I wish!
At least we have SNESMOD and OpenMPT.
SNES does not use a chiptune, so it would have to be very unlikely.
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 It uses an SPC700 chip from SONY. It's about as good as you could get on a home console in 1990.
I think the reason why DefleMask doesn't support the SPC700 is because you'd essentially need to make an entirely new instrument mode complete with defined tuning, flagging(echo, noise), and DSP(volume settings). That and you'd need a meter that represents the state of the 64 kilobyte bus.
Support for the SPC700 is certainly possible if one was crazy enough to try and mod that into DefleMask, it's clear Delek wouldn't be interested in that.
WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK
This sounds soooo similar to the SNES version! I mean I know that you can make the instruments of a soundchip sound hyper accurate to another soundchip, but I always get so impressed. It's also cool to hear this with a song I'm extremely familiar with.
The issue is that the SNES sound chip is a sampler, while the Genesis is a digital synthesizer. Ultimately, there is nothing the Genesis sound chip can do that the SNES chip can't as it could just sample the output from the Genesis - the problem lying in the fact that said samples would be absurdly huge lest they be reduced in quality, thus the SNES sound chip generally sounds muffled by comparison. The Genesis meanwhile technically has 2 sound chips in parallel, which gives it a total of 10 available channels as opposed to the SNES's 8, which when combined with the higher fidelity output, makes it "punchier" than the SNES.
Well... at least if you didn't tell this cover was a bit faster than the SNES original.
I was actually getting confused because it sounds so much like the SNES!
It slightly sounds different to me. 😊
wtf this sounds so much like the OG snes version
nice quality orchestra hit
This is amazingly close! This and your VRC7 cover of sonic 3 blue spheres were really a huge surprise to hear!
I'm particularly impressed by the VRC7 one because I know just how cripplingly limited that chip is ;)
Wow! Nice! Actually, a proper SNES rendition of the original SMB tune would be cool (never thought the All-Stars version quite captured it).
Better than that Squirrel King hack with Mario and Luigi sprites and graphics. Really impressed with your work as always! 👍🏽
Almost indistinguishable from the original! Nice job, man!
The pseudo steelpans are cute.
That sounds too good for not being the original! Amazing version!
My favourite part is that even the SN76489 is used here, which is a really cool supplement in Mega Drive music.
I'm weird.
That's pretty ridic, sounds almost exactly like the source tune.
What if the sound team had FM keyboards and sampled it? Because otherwise yeah, it's ridic.
Your remixes are not popular enough. I swear, your like the master of making Sega Genesis synth instruments.
This is spot-on, dude! How long did it take to make these patches so perfect?
danke danke
hmmm, the steel drums were already done from a previous project, but the others took at least 5-10 minutes each I believe
That's extremely impressive, I'll sit for an hour trying to make something sound good, and never do.
Well I suppose it also depends on the sound, some are simple and only a few minutes but some are confusing and difficult to get under a FM configuration
@@SwissVinylCan you please make a Final Bowser Fight arrangement in this format, please? 🥺
Do the Mario! Swing your arms from side to side
Come on, it's time to go. Do the Mario!
Take one step, and then again
Let's do the Mario, all together now! You got it! It's the Mario! Do the Mario!
Swing your arms from side to side
Come on, it's time to go. Do the Mario!
Take one step, and then again
Let's do the Mario, all together now!
Come on now. Just like that!
People from 1990: UNBELIEVABLE
Wow, even better than Nineko's Genesis rendition of this theme!
WHY ARE YOU SO DAMN GOOD
Gooood
Damn, it's very similar to the original.
I love sonic jam 6
but is officially consistent
HOW DID I FORGET TO LIKE THIS
Nice, and accurate!
God bless defleemask man...
This is perfect
Very accurate.
Impressive!
Mushroom Kingdom Zone for Sonic the Hedgehog (game) confirmed?
If the Genesis has a weaker sound chip, then why does this sound more clear than on the original SNES?
The original arranger of the super famicom track was definitely not any aware of stuff such as hard pass gaussian bypass, brr compression or knew how to optimize samples extensively, which is why it sounded like ass in terms of output
While with this, it may sound higher quality but the steel drums sound off, it's possible that this track's patches might not fit within 8kb ARAM anyway, specially with that orchestra hit and snare samples
I'd say each chip has their own strenghts, if I'm being very honest
The sfc has higher sound range
Md has higher quality output
BEEWOOPE!!!!!
Wow! Those steel drums almost sound like they're from the game! What are the operator settings for that instrument anyway?
I would say the steel drums are the least accurate part of this cover
WOWOWOWOWOWOW
For some reason I imagine the best SNES rendition of Green Hill Zone sounding less faithful than this ... idk what that says about anything, cause I still have a bias towards SNES's sound capabilities. Either way, good job as usual.
Actually, a SNES rendition of a Genesis song can sound 100% identical to the source material; since the SNES uses sound samples instead of programmed instruments, you could record a sample of a Genesis song’s instrument and use it in a SNES music tool. Someone did just that and made a perfectly-recreated SNES rendition of Chemical Plant Zone: ua-cam.com/video/Au_CTlKU_7o/v-deo.html
RaymanFan1995 welp
@@RaymanFan1995 Thanks for the bump yo! There's a lot more SNES renditions of various Sonic tunes here, including Green Hill Zone: ua-cam.com/video/rDWbl3YKjj0/v-deo.html
99 seconds left version
that aside, great work! I've sorta wanted to start using Deflemask for some time now, what's the learning curve like for someone coming from Famitracker?
You can sort of get there by setting speed to 150%
BRUH, HOW THE FUCK!?😨😱
I wonder how it manages to replicate that cotton over the ears, bootleg-y feeling.
The steel drums
If only this have been used in the SMB4MD homebrew rom (it's pretty much the original nes game on the Mega Drive). 😁
Holy cow, how did you make the Sega Genesis like the Snes? Man Vinyl, your chiptune sorcery never ceases to amaze me! Also, out of curiosity, which parts in this cover uses the Earthbound Horn? Also, do you plan on making any more Snes style Genesis covers in the future?
I have two silly little requests, you don't have to if you don't want to, but I'd still like to hear them:
Welcome to Wonderland - Bubsy in Fractured Furry Tales
Final Rescue - Eek! the Cat
any style, I just want to hear one of these two songs remixed in any way.
holy shit, this is FM synthesis?
It is
Super Mario All-Stars OverWorld Theme 2018
Holy shitcakes this is accurate
Q u a l i ty
Jesus christ this is almost on the level of the sound effects from yoshi in sonic 1
holy shit this is great, is there a VGM download?
this is not pnice anymore
this is bnice
Can the steel drums on this be replicated with the VRC7 in FamiTracker?
Hey vinylcheese, if you made an album of monster hunter music for me, I could possibly sell that music on my MOnster hunter youtube channel, and split the revenue with you. Would you be interested in this?
I want those patches!
This song's instruments: brp, ping, plink, OVERTHETOPORCHESTRAHIT
If only this was in Sonic Jam 6
Sorry That Is Super Mario All Stars SMB Remastered
How could you do this soooo much like snes samples? Can you let the project file for download?
Could you provide a download link so I can run it through an oscilloscope? Thanks!
Sounds like SNES
No way
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Sega Genesis
this is illegal
Sigh...i've always hated the All-Stars rendition of this song.
This is a good cover, though.
Exact same feeling.
Also, have you noticed despite this is not a Koji Kondo arrange, Koji Kondo himself began to arrange his theme with that same variation (0:28) many times? For example, in Super Mario Sunshine (where he keeps the original G# and C chords from the original but changes the next phrase) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl brazilian/latin/jazz oriented piano arrangement
@@FukiMakai i have actually not noticed this...
SMB2 1998 But it's better
wtf
what the fuck