Delphi Murders | Into the Investigation
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
- #RichardAllen is accused of killing two teen girls in Indiana of 2017. The case became known as the "Delphi Murders." However, new court filings from the defense claim this was a ritual killing done by Odinists, not Allen. #CourtTV examines the claims that investigators "suppressed" the evidence that connects the religious group.
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I study witchcraft, those "runes" on the teens' bodies are not real nordic runes. They're fake.
Is the Detective Ferency mentioned the same agent allegedly killed by Shane Meehan, a prior corrections officer? Meehan's trial is upcoming October 30th. Real curious to know prosecutions idea of motive they think Meehan had.
Hope to see @COURTTV cover this trial as well.
@@ladybritt9366same. But we also have to remember he could of been disturbed and I think the runes / sticks aren’t exactly like the diagram that court tv posted. It was also wanning gibbous the day / night of the murders. Plus Delphi ( the oracle ) could be another factor in the killings.
The F rune could stand Anzus meaning “God / Mouth/ Odin” the sticks around Abby’s head are Algiz =“ protection”
Crazy to think the Idaho murders, one of the girls cousins has cult of Odin tattoos.
I thought we knew that Libby's footage was a lot longer, that the authorities only released that small clip on purpose.
oh I assume he is implying that it's way longer than even the RL search warrant suggests?!? at least that would fit to his sensationalist approach to everything
What if it recorded part of the murder?
@@LB-lt3pz well this is the big rumor. but others have denied that. officially it's not even a minute long and starts with them talking about stuff two teenage friends on a walk would talk about. not sure when it stops.
@@alienobserver21in The PC affidavit it says the video stops when they go down the hill
I've always wondered why the phone wasn't taken
That dude on this as a guest seems like someone who would claim the earth is flat.
The world is imaginary or triangular in shape LOL😅😂 (jk)
its good that u know the truth then? :D
My dad was the Station Master of our little town. He would help us catch a train to the next town. We would go there, go shopping and one of our parents would collect us that afternoon. We were 12. RIP beautiful girls. Such a tragic story.
Yeah I was in a generation of "free roam" kids. We went out into town on our Huffy bikes and just had to be home for dinner. Its only as an adult I realized how lucky we were we didn't run into the wrong people.
We would go to Jacksonville to visit family and we would leave the 4 of us boys oldest like 13the youngest 11(me) and we would wake up and leave at like 730-8 go all over jax Beach...go to movies....the pier to play the arcade...go to the shopping center..etc. and be home before the street lights came on. Now a days tho....I don't even let my kids play in the front yard without me or my wife.
For long enough, this crime was more closer to home than people think. I grew up with two guys who were top homicide detectives,one said to me he'd had torn Libby's home down to the foundations straight away, due to the actions and lies from that family...6.5yrs in,that hasn't been done!
The murders and killings, the attitudes and behaviors of some people who live in this country is appalling. Why is this happening?
im confused as to why u need to say ur dad is a station master🙄🙄
Vinnie, excellent coverage on Abby and Libby 's case. WOW! I have watched you for years. Thank you. Justice for Libby and Abby. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
One of the most strange cases I have ever seen.
It seems to me that if Abby was dressed, there should be DNA on those clothes.
Police said a long time ago that they have dna. It’s not RA’s tho or they’d be shouting that from the rooftops! Why are they doing genetic geneology on it to find the real killer???? Because at this point they don’t dare want the public to know how absolutely incompetent they are!
Not necessarily, the murderer could have coerced them into undressing and dressing themselves before killing them.
Didn't they say there was no blood on the clothes?
@@yarenismorales8981 why would he leave one naked and make one get dressed ? Makes no sense. He may have assaulted and killed Libby and kept Abby clothed because he wanted to take her with him until he heard people calling out for them and killed Abby quickly and took off.
@@LB-lt3pzabby was dressed in Libby's jeans
Someone help me understand something. How is it one of the girls was nude or partially nude, and the other girl was re-dressed in the others clothing, but the perps didn't notice a phone? And if they did, why leave it?
Why should he take the phone? that would be a really stubid move.
Apparently he didn't want to leave any digital traces.
Do we know if the phone was found in a clothing pocket? I've always wondered why the phone wasn't found by the killer &/or disposed of. Maybe he was in his own little world caught up in the excitement of his fantasy to see it or remember to check for 1. She also could have dropped it by accident with fear/panic or during a struggle or she could have dropped it on purpose hoping he wouldn't find it amongst the grass & leaves.
@@catherine8579 According to the new documents "Under Abby's lower back, a shoe was found, this shoe is believed to be Libby's shoe. Under the shoe, a cell phone was found"
If the girls undressed and dressed themselves, one of them could have hid the phone without the killer's knowledge. If the kids were coerced to positioning themselves lying on the ground, the killer would have had no idea about the phone and the shoe.
Taking the phone would allow the cops to track the killer.
RA said that he was on the bridge that day and said he was wearing a blue jacket and blue jeans? That describes the guy they caught on film. This case just keeps getting crazier and crazier. My heart breaks for these girls. One thing we all know for sure is those girls were definitely lured there.
Kegan Kline catfishes them.
RA gun-lures them down the hill.
Found 1/2-mile from the bridge on property owned by a man who knew KK.
This is an ugly circle.
Could KK be the composite of the younger person, if he wasn’t heavyset? What did he look like in 2017?
DA is going to have to get in front of the Defense accusations. Judge should be livid that Defense has played this case out in public.
Will Libby and Abby ever get Justice!!
Exactly.I'm convinced he's guilty as the image on the cell phone is him to a capital 'T'.
Magnify the image, it's him on the bridge.....he had to tell something when they released his pic on bridge....a story as to what he was doing there....defense attorney just creating doubt....
COURT TV still maintaining it's presence of solid broadcasting. So great to see. I remember when Court TV first came out, they were in court cases early on and brought the legal process live into our living rooms. I'm so glad they didn't go under and away and dissolve like so many other channels. You always need to change and adapt to many variables.
Unfortunately, some of them drifted towards conservatism, which is unfortunate
The definition of MSM...churn out the same rubbish,do not do any critical thinking...tar and feather the untried suspect, Cops and proscecutors never lie,do they? "Cough"
@@scottdaley1672Really?! 😂 more woke BS is what you want? Hahah
They’re mainstream media and total crap most of the time.
@@scottdaley1672Yeah, God forbid there was another point of view.
R.I.P to Abby and Libby.
Reading the description of "one person acting alone", it seems COMPLETELY possible for one person to do it all.
It’s happened many times.
Jeffrey dahmer ted bundy comitted all their crimes alone
Possible but not as likely as multiple killers, especially given the other evidence
I think more than one. One holding the gun and the other doing the deeds.
I agree, a lone wolf. I do not buy what the defense is casting out.
So he “knows” who said “down the hill”. Seems like he could solve the case… 🙄
Maybe, as he understands it, that was Allen?
@@true-grit1 identical
They say that BH guy sounds way more like Bridge Guy than Richard Allen does.
@@THEhorihitothis Chris guy thinks the man on the video was Ron Logan, the owner of the property they were found on. That’s the premise of the book he wrote. He is off-putting to me, though. “I know so many things about this case, that would light the town up, but I can’t tell you guys. “. Oh, great, then just tell us that you can’t tell us so we all know how special you are 🙄
I know. I think it's the same voice.
No matter what - justice for Libby and Abby
If there were two voices on the recording I'm sure the defense would have brought it up.
They don't know if it's one or two people.
@@bigfishysmallpond They do and law enforcement stated exactly that at the press conference. The defense team knows as well because they got all the evidence through discovery. If there's just the slightest chance of two people they would have mentioned it in their motion.
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Not really.....defense attorneys grasping at straws....
Im a retired cop. I am in disbelief they didn't collect the "branches/sticks" layed on and around those poor innocent girls. Its crime scene 101 to collect EVERY piece of evidence even if you're not sure said evidence is part of the crime. But these "sticks" are CLEARLY part of the crime. Makes no sense.
AS A LOCAL these groups are very real here, and many who hold the same ideas about race are police, prison and security guards. "IT'S ABOUT POWER"
Agree!
This is what I have been saying
Klien got them hooked at first got them to meet then allen took over…officials r involved cuz it been hidden for so long
There’s a connection wit klien
Question: this group were talking about, "Do they worship a "Supreme Being "?
And, Who is the Supreme Being ?
No better judge than God. He knows.
Sure. Just get him to show up in court one day.
@@hanleysoloway7965 There is always a judgment day. Everyone has one.
Ah sorry, I don't pay any attention to wild ass claims made without supporting evidence
i used to walk a ton of places with my childhood friends back in the early- mid 90s. never had an issue, thankfully. hurts to know these girls were just being young kids, outside enjoying nature and then this nonsense happened. all i want is to see justice for libby and abby
You just got lucky. I was in middle school & was with my friend walking near the school when a teenage boy approached us & grabbed me, we were in a small wooded area & he told me to sit down. Of course I didn’t & we started yelling at him to let me go & he did. And we ran away. He came back in a vehicle by that time we had reached the street & he had friends with him. Anyway, that was early 80’s these dangers have always existed. I have Several stories I could tell
@@superjaded1738 💯. when this story first came out I was surprised no one was talking about how insane it was that the parents let their children go out walking unsupervised by some railroad tracks. My daughter has *NEVER* been outside of shouting distance from an adult.
Social media doesn't help... Imagine how many creeps are messaging youg girls like them.Scary world we live in ...
When I was a child my parents didn't allow us to roam until I was around 11/12. Neighborhood kids would come by and we would hang out in the fields, forests, near the creeks, and railroad tracks within 1-2 miles of my childhood home. That was 1980s. I wish I could go back to those times! Much simpler and safer life then. Sure there were creepers in 1970s and 1980s but everybody knew you. All the neighbors talked, watched out for the kids in the neighborhood. It wasn't like it is today. Our curfew was dark. We had to go home to eat when mom shouted, but we could be a few blocks away or even in the woods and field when Mom called. I do miss my childhood in that respect. We would go hang out with the gang and build tree houses n forts. We would pick berries n fill our bellies and also pick them for mom to make jelly. It was a great time to grow up!
@@resarm5007 I remember a creepy guy living close to my middle school in the early 70s.
If it walks like Richard Allen, if it talks like Richard Allen .... it's probably Richard Allen.
I wish he gets what he deserves.
these little girls and their family need justice. this sounds like a mess and I worry they won’t be able to convict anyone with everything coming out. May they rest peacefully.
Well they need to convict the right person, right? Or that's not justice either. Idt it's Allen. Not after reading the memorandum.
It's horrible, so many variables in this case. I'm not convinced Richard Allen is guilty or innocent
Sounds like the same person telling them to go down the hill. Where was this other person, was it a troll hiding under the bridge. Too many conspiracies going on here.
Who?
Ahh well interesting
There very easily could have been others waiting somewhere. That's not a far fetched idea at all.
@@kelldivision I mean seriously the practicality of Richard having gone out there prepared to kill these girls would not have park that far away...
Years ago, law enforcement admitted that the audio was edited and taken from different spots within the video. Anybody with functioning ears can tell that that audio has been manipulated. This isn’t exactly a bombshell.
Its weird how the one guy guest Chris doubted all the rune information. That info came from the prosecution’s own discovery file. The photos were in the Defense's document (but classified from the public).
And then his ridiculous guess on there being two voices.
I think this guest thought he could come on the show and just wing it. Oops.
Not to mention the FBI behavioral unit reviewed the scene and profiled the person as participating in Norse/Odinist beliefs, not that the person staged it to LOOK that way - that they legitimately did it for their own belief system.
Spot on, G3n/herroyalhighness! I would trust the FBI and it’s very savvy BAU well before most of these folks, especially those make no a buck off the case. (Hope Chris is donating some to suffering family members.) They know all about staging, thank you. Might have invented the term. But, if they say this cult is influenced the murderer(s) my money’s on them. Also there is a comment above about the many in LE in that region involved with the cult, and one of their replies mentions a Nordic celebration that has some chilling similarities. Another person that is a very gifted profiler is Dr. Gary Burgess (violent crime expert working with Ann Burgess, who helped found the BAU yrs ago). He has expressed a concern that the murder scene is not psychologically consistent with RA, and has expressed interest in Logan’s involvement. Again, I would trust his instincts and view well before that of many others. Let’s stay tuned. 😊
I do not believe the defence anymore than I believe any other theory - which it is... a theory that has been out there for years - without seeing any of those pictures. I think Court TV has managed to throw reasonable doubt at the defence's story just by adding what others who have done some serious reporting on the case in the past (not the Chris guy...) have said about the crime scene. So how do the sticks actually look like?
However Court TV is not doing themselves a favour by inviting this Chris guy to the show, just like the defence is not doing themselves a favor by listing a questionable UA-camr as one of their sources. All of these people have their own agenda... to be the stars of the show - it's not about the girls to them at all.
Chris Todd is a clown and a proven liar. He's buddy buddy with Rick Snay. If you're not familiar with either of them, watch some of their podcasts if you can stomach it. They admit theyre not here for any kind of justice for the girls. They mock and harass victims. Just disgusting behavior all around. He's just trying to sell his book before the courts officially prove him wrong. He says Ron logan is bg, btw.
@@herroyalhighness5634 hm, I bet the defence will list another expert, possibly even another FBI agent, who will say that ain't the case during the trial and it will depend on what the jury finds more convincing. profilers are just guessing and can have different opinions.
I'm glad Jennifer kind of snaps back and gets things back on track.. not going on these wild tangents that Chris seems to go on.. he's purely speculating, causing some issues in doing so because he is so unwavering in his beliefs. He states everything as fact.. I'm sorry, but im not sure he would have all this "bombshell" info... no one close to the case seems to just let info slip too easily.. while Jennifer also speculates, at least she makes it known its purely speculation.. she also has experience and certain connections that make her a much more reliable guest here.. not just wanting to be in the limelight saying outtageous things.. he often pushes his book which hes so set on RL being bridge guy. Absolutely confident on it...
i think the closest RA got to Nordic ideology was ordering another draft of Tuborg Gold at the pool pub
“Trust me I know, that’s all I can say though” 😂 anyone taking what that guy says seriously is a joke. If you truly care about finding the truth you arnt going to gatekeep that info for views.
0:09: 🔍 Teenagers Abby Williams and Libby German went on an outdoor adventure near a bridge in Delphi, Indiana, where they encountered a man who is now a suspect in their murder.
5:06: 📰 The video discusses allegations of a group of alleged white nationalists following Odinism, an ancient Nordic religion, and the potential concealment of evidence by investigators in the case.
10:14: 🔒 The video discusses the sealed and unrevealed information about the investigation into the Knightangle case, including the involvement of three investigators.
14:12: 😮 The release of new documents raises questions about the involvement of different authorities and the seriousness of the defense's allegations.
18:32: 🔍 Various people have different opinions on the identity of a suspect in a case, with Richard being a surprising and seemingly boring suspect.
24:08: 🕵 The investigation into the Delphi murders becomes more confusing as a witness sketch is released that does not resemble the suspect in the video.
27:55: 🔎 The video discusses the issues surrounding the FBI's involvement in the investigation and the conflicting eyewitness testimonies in the case.
32:10: 🔍 The video discusses rumors and conflicting witness statements surrounding the Delphi murders case.
38:29: 🔊 The speaker discusses the possibility of there being two different voices in the audio recording.
Recap by Tammy AI
As a Scandinavian I know about Odin, never heard of Odinism, I'm very confused by that, they also use ancient nordic symbols, and it makes me a bit angry that they use that with some weird and horrible "group" or whatever they are
thank you!
Not all hero's wear capes!! Thank you very much!!
Thank you
He obviously had both undress before anything happened. Probably killed Abby first (quickly) which is why there's minimal blood on her body. Libby would have seen this and fought, realizing his intentions. After the murders, he maybe felt shame/remorse at how young they were and decided to redress them so it wouldn't look like a sexually motivated crime. He put the bigger clothes on Abby and then realized his mistake when he couldn't get the remaining clothes on Libby (her arm stretched upward like maybe he was trying to get a top on her). Maybe he heard people nearby, panicked and didn't have time to swap the clothes so he threw a bunch of sticks and brush on Libby and got out of there. This scenario sounds so much more plausible to me than cult members. Libby recorded one man (wearing hick basic dad clothes and not looking like a cult member about to carry out complicated ritual sacrifice) and one voice - if it was multiple guys involved, wouldn't it make more sense to have two men walking the bridge to subdue two girls? Sadly it only takes one dummy on the jury and these days many people are willing to buy into wild dramatic conspiracy theories before they will believe the most obvious linear story, which is usually the right one 98% of the time. If this was a bunch of cult member guys, I would expect a more complex (less messy/disorganized) crime scene - this all sounds cryptic and 'reaching' - Jose Baez style.
I agree 100%. If it was from a huge "smart" cult they would have took those girls and nobody would have ever known what happened to them they would of never known not leave them laying in the woods to be found out
There is still so much of this case that doesn't add up. Why were the sticks found at the crime scene not collected until weeks later? The time frame in which the man in custody supposedly committed these murders, undressed and redressed (one of the victims) moved and staged the bodies just seems highly unlikely. And what about the father of Abby's friend (or maybe boyfriend, I don’t recall how he was described) who had posted Odinistic content to his social media including an image with a marking on a tree similar to the one found at the crime scene. Not to mention that one of the girls was speaking online to someone who they later found illegal content involving minors on his computer. This can't simply all be a random coincidence.
Chris just comes across as someone who loves to be in the middle of something and flaunt it. Jennifer’s word holds more weight because she doesn’t ‘prove’ the value of her insight with every breath. Either way, this is all nuts!
I agree. The whole light the town up .. cmon. So many people will be mad at him... ridiculous.
He's a total grifter.
Exactly, and Richard Allen looks like the guy in the cell phone video,why did he get exclusive information on the murders?
I got the same vibe and don’t basically trust such people. Yes, he is full of in-your-face dogmatic assertions. That, however, does not mean he’s wrong about everything, but it causes me to suspect his agenda. Jennifer, on the other hand, is former FBI and I would trust them and the BAU, which was formed by the likes of John Douglas (prolific author and mentally stable!) and Ann Burgess. I also don’t know what the couple meant by RA being a “regular guy”. There is a lot of evidence against him that strongly indicates his involvement, and tho people thought him normal, he was hiding a bunch of child porn! His wife has refused to speak to him since April. Reminds me of BTK and LISK suspect Hauermann in that respect.
Yes he has thirsty “pick me” vibes
It’s preposterous to ask for pictures to a crime that wasn’t considered a Odinistic ritual when LE didn’t even think the sticks were evidence!!🤔😭
They retrieved them two weeks later!!
Supposedly the FBI thought it was an Odinistic ritual sacrifice but local LE never followed up. The defense attorneys can be disbarred if not true.
What about his admission to his wife while on a jail phone call?
I always knew “guys…down the hill” was not a complete sentence.
Two different people
Unless the prosecution can refute this as pure nonsense, it is a very persuasive case for reasonable doubt.
Give it a week, the internet sleuths will find all of those posts from Elvis Field and Brad Holder. If they can prove those posts are real and we’re deleted, that should really help persuade jurors on reasonable doubt. Why else is one of the victims ex bfs fathers (an odinist) posting goodfella memes about friends helping hide a body in the week of the murder?
@@nrgaoInteresting but the bodies weren't hidden, were they?
Weren't they discovered in an area that had been searched extensively the night before?
No, they were on Ron's property across the creek
Doug, Carter, superintendent of the Indiana state police in an interview said that the killer could be a combination of both the first sketch released and the second sketch released. He could be somewhere in the middle. Which tells me they had no clue who they were looking for.
Trial is going to be insane
I lived in Delphi for almost 30 years and this is the first time I've heard anything about odinism.
First time for everything. I'm not too far away and I have certainly heard of odinism. Indiana has 31 known hate groups. Soldiers of Odin has a chapter in Indiana. They changed their name to american guard I believe. They are a neo nazi group that does indeed follow old Norse traditions. There are a few other similar groups around Indiana. Also 3 Klan chapters. Kokomo, Muncie and Indianapolis.
Feel free to look up hate groups in Indiana.
It was a.snuff film...I'm thinking..it was a.plot
So that makes it not real?
Probably they move in different circles to you but they exist and are active in the area.
They're not bad people and religious groups don't do this
did his defense forget tjat there are jail phone calls where he admits everything to his mom and wife??
It sounds like the killer tried to start covering the bodies with random sticks, and the lawyers are turning that into a BS story.
Absolutely.
This was my first thought! Perhaps, he just haphazardly threw sticks onto them and maybe got interrupted!
@FIGHTFOREVERDESIGNS are you talking about RA?
@@cleoh666 Most likely. None of the drawings showing the branches indicate any runes and nor is the supposed 'rune' on the tree representative of Norse runes but looks like blood spatter most likely arterial - which is likely based on how at least one of the girls was murdered. The way the girls bodies were posed doesn't have esoteric significance unless you are really reaching and in that case one body could look like the Tarot's Major Arcana card of The Devil and the other body like that of the Hierophant. However that is definitely reaching and RA's lawyers are simply trying to create reasonable doubt by relying on people who are rather credulous and don't know much about runes and esoteric or occult practices and traditions. Let's hope the jury are more inclined to focus on facts and aren't led astray by some supposed 'expert' on paganism who is anything but and simply a believer in cults engaging in ritualistic murders..
@@frankieandkristentravel I think they are talking about BH, who was at work that day.
I think the defense is doing a great job of Throwing in confusion and speculation and doubt. True or not that defense is doing a great job
They sure are,Allan will walk because of this,I don't believe Chris that wrote the book thinks it was Ron Logan,I don't think BG doesn't look like Ron Logan,it looks like Richard allan I
think ,He's wrote a whole book blaming Ron Logan he can't go back on that now,And one person could control 2 girls with a gun,especially 2_ scared girls
@@annettelacey7913 No. AllEn will not walk because of this.
They definitely created "Reasonable Doubt" in just about every aspect of this case...
@@annettelacey7913 I agree. One guy could hold one girl at gunpoint and order the other to get undressed. She is then vulnerable, not ready to escape while the killer states he won't harm them if they just do as he says. Kids are programmed to instinctively obey adults, (especially one with a gun). The accused could've done all the ritualustic stuff himself as a decoy, or because he was just weird. Calling him a "boring guy" in no way exhonorates him. He would not be the first killer to lead a double life. And Odin was a Scandinavian god, not German as the male guest implied.
@@annettelacey7913I think it did look like RL,& RL was known to wear hip packs,RL didn't even own one,I heard them mention they didn't find one,but did find a similar jacket.
Didn't this guy confess to the murders in a jail house call to his wife? 🤔
Now his attorney stated that he was coerced by the "odinites" security guards working in the prison.
God forbid, even it were a “ritualistic,” evil crime…that does not mean he wasn’t involved!!
Being a dwarf he should have been a sacrificed himself.
I hope they dont wast everyones time with another "satanic panic"
Do not forget that there is video as well as audio. And the audio clip you are hearing occurred at a different time in the recording to the footage we are shown.
Honestly this does give me a good amount of reasonable doubt. I was already questioning the evidence around richard allen but at the very least the new information makes me think someone else was invlolved.
I’m feeling similar. The main thing for me has been the ballistic evidence. I know we can match fired bullets to a pew pew but a bullet that wasn’t fired, just cycled through and dropped. I find that very hard to believe and from what I’ve read it’s very subjective and not a reliable science. I find it very worrisome sometimes the way police seem to miraculously find ways to prove someone is the suspect because that’s how innocent people go to jail. I’m not saying RA is innocent but for me there’s lots of reasonable doubt here.
It is weird, BUT why would he admit to his wife over the phone that he did it if he didn’t do it?
False/coerced confessions are not uncommon.
Who drew those girls to that bridge on that day? Who threw out the bait, because I don’t think the girls made a random decision that, “hey, it’s a nice day…let’s go to the bridge.”
I thought it was Keegan Klein pretending to be that hot, young stud who struck up a convo with one of the girls and made a “date” to meet the girls on that day, on that bridge. Was he acting in concert with Richard Allen, or with this group of “Odinists”? Perhaps they need to go back to him and question him a little harder.
It’s so weird how all of these “investigators” and “investigative journalists” are claiming their info is coming from “solid witnesses and/or investigators or “others deeply and closely involved in the case from the beginning.” Are their solid sources feeding them B.S.? Whose rock-solid resources are actually telling the truth? Seems to be “rock-solid resources” on BOTH sides of the case.
Let’s see what the Prosecution has to say, and hope they don’t take a month to respond.
They are shitting in their pants right now I am sure of that. Odinists on the inside of jail exposed. Botched DNA and lack of. Not confiscating the branches etc....good ole boys club. Probably one of the cops sons and they are protecting? Who knows. I don't believe Richard Allen did this. I used to but WAY too much reasonable doubt now.
In 80’s we hung out all over the place until dark! This is so sad!
And children and adults were still killed and kidnapped in the 80s so what point are you making?
@@44LillPuffin It was alot more safer back in the 80's compared to now.
Survivorship bias unfortunately
There was also the huge “satanic panic” in the 80s where people were saying satanic groups were kidnapping and ritualistically killing people. So this angle of defense is sounding very familiar.
And the 80's are known as the decade of the serial killer. There were much more serial murders and random murders then. It's statistically a fact. And much more unsolved murder due to lack of forensics and little communication between police departments.
This case just keeps getting more baffling and at the same time more fascinating - just crazy! I can only try to imagine how difficult this must be for the families and other loved ones of Abby & Libby. Just horrific in every way. I pray that in the end of these many years of what must be a million questions, that they will get Truth and Justice for their beloved girls. Life is just so unfair sometimes. Truly 💔 case.
You think this case is a shocker … Just wait until you find out the truth about what happened in Moscow ID at 1122 King RD. It may be 10 to 15 years down the road before we start hearing what really happened. It falls along the same lines as Delphi.
@@randyhanson4973 this ran shivers down my spine
@@randyhanson4973 you know something nobody else does? Maybe you should contact the police with information like that
@@randyhanson4973 no thanks. I wait for hard evidence presented in a court of law before casting judgment. To each their own but that’s where I stand.
fancy elaborating at all please?@@randyhanson4973
At 7:37 Vinnie, you mentioned Detective Ferency. Is that the same agent allegedly killed by Shane Meehan? That trial is upcoming October 30th. Meehan had served as a corrections officer.
Would be interesting if court TV could cover that case as well. I'm almost sure it's the same Ferency you mentioned at 7:37
Yes, same guy!
One of the searchers that reportedly was in the group that found the girls said that Abby was leaning up against the tree, which totally goes against what is being said now. We don’t know who or what to believe. I think sense of calm kind of fell over the community when they arrested Rick Allen but to think that the killer or killers could still be out there to wreak havoc on another family is inconceivable after almost 6 years.
Well they said she had her hood on, possed with hands by her face like she was asleep
She 🤷♀️ was in Libby's clothes tho
Obviously we are being lied to by someone. I think they need to get rid of all the law enforcement involved with this case
Some of the corrections officers at Westfield prison are known to be involved with odonism . They probably did threaten to kill his family if he didnt confess. The corruption of Indiana law enforcement is coming to light. Time to get Holcomb and Doug Carter out of their positions of power
@@user-fy7dg3fs8y "obviously" 😖🙄
Critical Thinking Has Left The Building
That's not the body or the walk of a young man.
Is everyone forgetting about the girls who saw him leaving the trails as being muddy and bloody? I wouldn't exonerate him so quickly.
The original statement did not include “bloody”
Other commenter is correct. Detective Liggett explicitly fabricated not only the color of the jacket from tan to blue, he added the bloody part out of thin air. The witness statement never included bloody anywhere. Let that sink in, the detective outright lied in order to get a warrant- not only about the bloody part, but also the time at which his car was seen- that is also a complete lie.
There are too many concerning discrepancies. And now we have the explanation to why sketch no 2 looked so different from the first:
“On February 17, 2017, Betsy B provided a description to the police sketch artist of the man she observed from 50 ft away on the Monon High Bridge at 2 pm..she observed a white male, age 20, short curly hair”. She stated this same description twice. And saw him quite close up.
Another discrepancy: the lady who observed the muddy man never said his jacket was blue, but rather tan, and she never mentioned bloody clothes.
The description of the crime scene is worrying. The pagan (“non secular”) signs were mentioned already in that early FBI file (Logan). Far too many inconsistencies This case is turning into an enigma
Didn’t they say the first sketch was drawn to resemble BG? Or Ron Logan
The sticks look like runes…. But they are random? Cognitive dissonance?
Most certainly is, yet so mind-boggling that the defense team was investigating the possibility on their own and to find out eventually that a few people are convinced that it was those people an the Prosecutor an Investigative team was made aware by different people who reported the same thing about the same people as well as having people who were so sure they living out of state gathered up what they believed to be the evidence an even recorded conversation about how it was carried out why an by whom an for the Prosecutor to withhold the entire information not only from the defense teams but from the Judge! This is most certainly becoming one of the cases that it's who do you believe an why do you except that theory and not the other.
Allen was framed.
One of the members of BH's Asatru meetings was pretty young, He told a girl his age some of what happened. I think that is the one that BH had a falling out with around 2/14.
Was is Ron Logan, the nearby property owner and former suspect, into “Odinism”?
yes
@@rosemaryhill8804 you have no evidence to back that allegation up, none.
Defense would be in deep shiz if they are making stuff up. Crazy true crime time.
No they wouldn't. Have you ever heard of the Jeffrey McDonald case? They did the exact same thing they are doing here. Tried to blame it on a "cult of acid-crazed hippies like the Manson Family". It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
There’s plenty of stuff in here they can’t be making up though. They can’t’ be making up that the FBI profiled the murderer and wrote a report on it that wasn’t given to them during discovery. And they’re obviously not making up that retired assistant police chief was so concerned that there was more evidence on other suspects that he wrote a letter to the prosecutor and that was also not disclosed during discovery. Prosecutors could be in deep manure for withholding exculpatory information.
Thank God someone here can spell 'defense'
Mr Allen looks criminally insane so that won't fare well for him
Shark eyes
Poor Justin Timberlake being like to that sketch 😂
I wanna hear what Keegan Kline has to say. He said he would like to discuss Delphi further once his case was settled.
I’m awaiting that. I don’t see how he isn’t involved in some type of way. It was in his investigation that this arrest happened
It’s too much of a coincidence that he was connected to the online account that was in touch with Libby right before they set off to the bridge. Did he copy that chat and add it to the Dropbox he was connected to? It appears this is how these rings work. You have to give something to get something, In order to view cp you have to post cp. How many others had access to the Dropbox account? The Vegas trip always raised red flags. If you were looking to sell a physical copy of a snuff film (so your not the one uploading it online) it would seem Vegas would be the place to meet up. Could that be why he googled the gas station near RA house? Was that where the physical copy was handed off? The new details released such as Abby being dressed in Libbys clothes with two bras on are chilling. LE also stated that the investigation into the girls murder uncovered a large pedo ring. Will we ever know the truth?
@@ill_be_frank I do remember something about a car (purple VW wagon or whatever his nan was driving) matching the description of car seen at the CPS building. I also remember discussion of someone seen ‘waiting for someone.’ I just never heard it full circle confirmed as Keegan. Did he admit that? It’s beyond strange that Tony Kline has been completely dropped from the conversation. Plus the coincidence that tony and RA were neighbors.
@@purawesomeness78 murder sheet just posted kegan Kline post sentencing interview. No answers there. They did say they didn’t post the full interview because they aren’t comfortable posting the info without fact checking first. Kudos to them for fact checking so it seems we must wait but based on what I did hear…I’m not going to be holding my breath. He did say Anthony shots account was in touch with Libby the day they went to the bridge. He stated it was not him talking to Libby and that police know who it was that used the Anthony Shots account to contact Libby. He didn’t want to reveal the identity of that person. He denied knowledge of Richard Allen.
When someone says they can’t say much, it’s because they really don’t know😂
You absolutely ROCK Court TV!! 🤌
How the hell does he know who says “down the hill”
Also he says the first sketch looks nothing like the bridge guy, but to me…. They look alot alike. There’s no way he can be definitive on that without bias.
Not a drop of evidence at Logan’s 😅🤦♀️
Didn't a black family's house burn down during the same time frame
Flora fire happened on November 21 2016.
A little under 3 months prior to Delphi. I heard Becky Patty has a direct link to the house that burnt down through her job/company. I think it's an insurance company. What are the odds if true? 🤔
There's a lot of interesting coincides surrounding that house fire. Look into it.
I expect to see the full unedited film at the trial. And photos of the crime scene. A lot of this is pure speculation until we, the public, see more hard evidence.
Doesn't bear to think the fear they must of went threw ❤
I think everyone is overlooking the fact that “Asatru” is only a modern interpretation of Odinism. Looking up Odinism can only give you a mild understanding of the rituals. Asatru is, well compare the situation with the daybell situation. Daybell tried to make his own faction of Mormonism. It was all Daybells interpretation of a major religion. The fact that Westfall was holding worship in his own house instead of an actual Asatru sanctioned place, definitely leaves room for Westfall to add his own flavor on it. Now take that with the info of Libby’s mom dating outside the race, and Abby dating Holders son, and you have a very plausible situation of a dangerous man wanting to show his followers what happens when you don’t take the rules of his gang/religion/rhetoric seriously. The son finds out from Abby that Libby (the son’s girlfriend bff’s) mom has dated outside her race and is defending her friend and her friends mom causing the son to then question a religion his father is fully committed to? Much more plausible then all of a sudden and randomly Richard Allen wanted to be a killer. And all this evidence didn’t come from Richard Allen, it came from the prosecution, so how could Richard Allen frame the crime scene to blame Odinism if he didn’t know what it was?
But, if he didn't know what it was, why would he say they were threatening him?
His attorney is the one noticed the patches on the guards vests and recognized it for what it was.
Tell it
There’s no end to this rabbit hole…
How do these investigators expect to get accurate information from the public when they say its this one guy alone, release 2 different sketches and there's two different voices on the down the hill tape??
The police on this case have not done a great job. The investigation has been confusing since the very beginning, and I’m hoping LE brings a clearer case to court.
Didnt he admit to this in jailhouse calls?
Could the real killer have recorded BG with Libby's phone?
And then planted the phone at the crime scene. That’s what I was thinking too.
Be careful, people don't like when you ask good questions like this. People don't like innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Good idea, but you can see clearly are a gun the video in the left pocket.
The full recording would make very interesting viewing. There's so much secrecy surrounding what the footage shows, but I remember reading in the probable cause Affidavit you hear the two girls talking about BG as he comes towards them, one even mentioning a gun. Libby put the phone in a pocket as he got closer, but kept it recording until it shut off.
Yes absolutely.
Ask a person that authored a book to profit from 2 girls being murdered but still has zero idea about zip.
It's time to release the entire video taken by the victim. They have released 2 seconds of a 40 second video. Why have they kept everything so secret. It's time to look into the head of that police department and all it's members. This seems more and more like there are a cover up.
You want them to release the sounds of the girls being kidnapped at gunpoint? Why do you want to hear that? I think this says more about you than the police tbh. Wanting to hear little girls crying and god knows what else
They cannot release all the evidence before the trial. It will all come out in the trial as it should and not before
@@purawesomeness78If it was sloppy police work, I doubt they wanna release the video. Who knows what is going on since they have been so secretive.
It's people like you... who do not get their way (wanting the video released) that ALWAYS cries that there is a police cover up.
@@jeanniesmith3356 There are many reasons to withhold information one is so the police do not let the suspect at large know what they know. It may be that some evidence points to the suspect's profession, or residential radius, or psychological profile. Investigators can use this information to identify the suspect, and if enough information is available, try to predict his or her next move.
They release enough information to keep the public safe, and so that they can help them with the investigation, but some information that is only known by the police and the perpetrator maintains the integrity of the investigation. It also helps prevent false confessions or when they get a suspect and he or she confesses the evidence matches their confession which should only be known by the perpetrator. Withholding information is a common practice as it should be for all those reasons. Has nothing to do with sloppy police work. If the investigation was sloppy it is obvious and brought up in trial and could cost a conviction due to it.
The picture of the man may not have anything to do with the murders, they took a video in case it's a nasty old man. 🤷♀️
This man had five yrs to get rid of evidence, yet he gets rid of no evidence, I find that UNBELIEVABLE
Because he thinks doing the devil worshipping s*** that they he threw them off his scent.. narcissists are very arrogant and cocky and think that they are smarter than everybody
And Ted Bundy drove around with a balaclava , crowbar and handcuffs in the same car police were looking for. It’s arrogance, it’s not only believable it happens all the time with killers.
Some serial killers keep trophies but not sure why he dnt through way any Evidence I wonder if the reason is because hes done it before and he wanted the key trophies I don't know.
Maybe it was the people who bow before the owl. 😂
So the killers somehow knew who their mother dated, and somehow knew they would be at the bridge, and also somehow forced a fake confession while he was in custody? This is ridiculous.
Vinnie loves having these Leeches on here who don’t believe in innocent till proven guilty. Change it up court tv, bring on some ppl to intellectually battle these fools on the facts. The Odinist who resembles RA, his 18 yr old son was dating Abby, who was 13-14 at the time. His ex wife, another’s siblings and another X gf linked that group to the killing. One of those men confessed to family, etc. to these murders. These girls deserve justice and I hope they get it, but not by possibly throwing an innocent man to the wolves.
dont find this Chris guy believable , he tells us he knows a lot but cant tell us what or how , just an attention seeker with a book to sell
Shout out to The Murder Sheet. Rewatching all the coverage you have expertly put out on your UA-cam channel.
Why didn't R A claimed to be innocent since the moment he got arrested?
I am from Finland and never heard of Odinism as a big issue. This sounds like some American idiots have used Nordic history as a basis in creating some sort of new religion.
Exactly.
How can you run a true crime podcast but not really understand the BA unit of the FBI and their profiles? I have zero faith in any of their “insights”
U think u know? U realize watching criminal minds doesn't count right? 😂
Lol.
😂😂😂
I lived in Goshen Indiana around 2000s . Even then, they had KKK meetings downtown Goshen every year. I was horrified being from Flint Michigan and stayed away from it.
I think some groups like KKK would NOT approve of murder of “future mothers of whyte children”. I don’t think this particular crime would be considered “kosher” among them. Smaller sects, maybe.
This guy, "I KNOW this and that.... but I can't say anymore.." Gimme a break. He's challenging others to 'show me the pictures of the crime scene' yet he has no evidence to back up his tongue either.
Why do people keep saying RA could not have done this alone. Just look at Kohberger, he killed four adults and a couple of them fought back.
Why do people keep saying people killed people before they've been proven guilty in a court of law?
Kohberger left dna at the crime scene. Where is the dna in this case?
@@jeanniesmith3356kohberger also hasn’t been found guilty yet so the point is null…. I’m not sure why OP used an ongoing case, one that also has been continuously theorized to possibly involve an accomplice, to try and prove this point.
He could not have done everything present at the scene, in the manner described, in the timeframe put forth by the prosecution. Unlimited time with no fear of being discovered? Sure. But middle of the day, drawn out blood letting, redressing, cutting and arranging branches, without leaving dna etc etc, no.
These two were so dang sure RA was guilty. They built a podcast on it. They NEVER EVER knew all the full details, but ran with his guilt! Friends……LE drops the ball all the time. Intentional or not? When a case is gaged…….outsiders need to sit down and keep it real! I myself look forward to THE TRUTH of what happened!
He admitted to it. He told his wife on a jail call
rick is guilty!!!!
Allen is guilty and you're just trying to cope
@Lisacrazed I feel like you should do research.....because R A has a reason for that. Is it true ...I don't know. But it very well could . I'm not making up my mind until I hear see all evidence
Ricky's better explain being out there for 2 hours same time the girls were. Would love to hear the audio him admitting to his mom and wife he killed the girls
Sick of being gaslit about this case.
Poor Justin Timberlake having his name mentioned all over this because a sketch of a murderer has curly hair
I think the Trousersnake has a little more to worry about this week!
So, IF this is true, that is how the bodies were found, who's to say Richard Allen didn't do it? Seriously - he could have done all that crap. And MAYBE he left the bodies that way to throw investigators off the track. Like I said - who knows? Well, Richard Allen does, but...
Nothing on his computer. No history of Odin worship. Prosecution needed an arrest for a new election while protecting their "boys" on the inside.
@@true-grit1 He absolutely could have.
@@dewilew2137have you read the document? No he couldn’t.
@@bipolarexpress9959 the document cobbled together by THE DEFENSE? Yes, I read it. I don’t think you understand what the defense’s job is. Nothing in that document should be taken as fact.
Not so sure he did this by himself. Even authorities stated others may be involved. This case keeps getting wilder by the day.
In Germany, as in other parts of Europe, there have been instances of extremist groups or individuals adopting aspects of Norse mythology and Odinism as part of their ideology. These groups are often motivated by far-right and white supremacist beliefs. These extremist groups have been known to use Norse symbols and imagery, such as the Valknut or the runic alphabet, to promote their agendas. It's important to emphasize that the majority of Odinists do not hold extremist views and are not involved in cult-like activities. German authorities have taken measures to monitor and combat extremist groups with Odinist or Norse-inspired ideologies, as they pose a threat to social harmony and security.
I wish that our government would take these groups as seriously.
true but they are not walking around killing light haired, light eyed white girls here either
They also drug rape their victims while the rest of the group watch on
@@alienobserver21nor r they killing in broad day light with many ppl around. This seems to be a spur of the moment killing in my opinion.
@@alienobserver21There will all ways be a crazy one that does something awful.
Who's going to trust a psychopath
Well, you can hear them walking on leafs. There are no leafs on the bridge, so that is clearly under the trees.
I would like to have a voice and height comparison between Richard Allen and Bridge guy.
Chris from MOB on you tube has done it. Height matches up and voice is similar from what can be made out
Everyone is focusing on the guy on the bridge. What if they just filmed a strange guy walking towards them? Maybe that is why the true murderer(s) let the phone at the sight? Takes the focus off of them.
@5GreenAcres I agree. The only thing is, is that if that bridge guy saw some other guy or guys holding a gun and telling the girls to go down the hill why didn't he report it? If it took place directly ahead of him he very well could have or would have seen it happening.
@rebekahschubert2106 I heard the opposite. I heard that they were saying that the bridge guy was around 5' 10". Then when Richard Allen was arrested everybody was saying that he's awfully short to be bridge guy.
It's weird to offer sacrifice for Odin because he (or whatever pronounce you may use) is supposed to be the guardian of Valhalla, in which he would receive half of the Viking die in battle thru Valkyrie. The only remotely possible way for this is (not saying this is some ritual thing) is that the people who "offered" Abby and Libby are either seeing themselves as Valkyrie, which is the loyal servant of Odin, or those who are under Valkyrie control, but then it would not make sense to offer the girls to Odin to begin with. Because the girl didn't die in battle and those Viking who was sent to Valhalla not died in battle for Odin would be forever stalked by the realm until he/she can proof their worth to serve Odin. There is literally nothing in it for the people who sacrifice the girls, it would have been for nothing.
This is partly come from my wife, who is Swedish and know old Norse mythology and partly come from the Video Game Valhiem (Valhiem is a fictitious place in Valhalla but they didn't smush the Norse Ideology)
None of it makes sense. Its a big lie to try to save himself.
When white supremacists hijack a religious cult, the symbols can mean something a little different.
You forget people can have their own nuanced interpretations. It doesn't have to be as absolute as you make it seem.
But we are talking about a middle aged white power boys club that are surely making up their own little "Norse Heathens" game.
I hope they televise his trial.
I’m sorry but that bridge looks way to scary to be open to the public. Someone could push someone off to their death. No need of a weapon??