Person Of Interest (1x11) - Nathan Ingram, Price of the Machine
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2014
- Person of Interest ''Super'' (Season 1, Episode 11)
Brett Cullen - Nathan Ingram
Michael Emerson - Harold Finch
Elizabeth Marvel - Alicia Corwin
Cotter Smith - Denton Weeks
I love how it was like:
"he sold the machine for 1 dollar"
"I suppose I don't have a choice"
"THREAT TO MACHINE"
yeah it saw the future immediately
I like the way Finch says _"I know, I know..."_ - he was talking to the machine like it was a living entity even back in 2005...
@@BookieKillah It was, just not the same level as it became after virus reboot. It even finds a way to save memory through manual human rewriting (or that was after reboot? i'm a bit lost in timeline, watched show a while ago)
@@serhio4275 If that's the case, and the Machine was indeed 'alive', then it could be argued that the 'THREAT TO SYSTEM' message was a systematic interpretation of something like _'I don't like that man, Daddy - he wants to get inside me!'_ with Finch immediately reassuring his 'daughter' (as Root refers to the Machine as though it were female in later episodes) with _'There, there, sweety, I'll fix it so he never ever does - I don't like him either'..._
It was in reference to the multiple attempts by Denton to tunnel into via the NSA feeds.
The logs were being displayed.
What I will always love most about this show, is that it understands the gravity of artificial intelligence
Critically it's also granular - AI is neither (just) good or bad - it's what goes in that affects the outcome.
True
"Threat to System"
"I know, I know."
This is why some people trust machines better than humans.
lumberluc because the system process and acts efficient than a human but the system is programmed by the human which means there is always a flaw. but it is still superior to the human as the human spent a lot of things to make it greater in some factors
Every machine is just a physical representation of a human's intent
방아벌레무리 but can execute much greater than a human can do in some factors
I mean after this Denton tried to hack his way into the system. Failed. then anyone involved with the project became irrelevant numbers.
Same here, too bad there isn't such a system in operation today. But who would get the numbers? The Government or someone like Finch and Reese? For National Security, I suppose the Government would be OK, but for the Irrelevant numbers, definitely someone like Finch and Reese, but a pair in every State. A great show, too bad it didn't continue with Shaw and the other two that showed up later at the end.
Nathan was the true hero of this show.
At very least he inspired Harold to care about the irrelevants.
Without a doubt...
The look of defeat on Denton's face the second she mentions the price is itself priceless.
I think Nathan Ingram and Arthur Claypool are the most underrated characters on Person of Interest. Most of the audience doesn't even know that Nathan is the man who built the ''backdoor'' which has been giving the irrelevant numbers since beginning of the show. Arthur, on the other hand, is the man who created Samaritan.
There are so many amazing characters in this show that is easy for some of them to be labeled as underrated. Sadly it all comes to screen time.
Bro, the show is completely underrated :(
One day the world will remember this show and they will wish they had taken it seriously
KUSEMERERWA Roy This show is masterpiece
KUSEMERERWA Roy sorry my friend the world is not smart enough to do that.
''I couldn't quit thinking about those people, those people that you said were irrelevant.''
that price is by far the smartest thing harold did about taking the contract to make the machine. for that price he could assure no one else could get a contract and make an open system from the get go.
I felt if there is an open competing autonomous system, even less capable, would attract tens of billions for its countless possible application.
@@mingchenzhang3113 Samaritan is proof if ever a system existed they would seek to destroy one another because only another a.i like that could kill it.
Wasn't Samaritan also pretty much made for free?
@@mingchenzhang3113 In the year 2024 OpenAI ChatGPT says hello
Alicia Corwin and Denton Weeks may not be the characters who are as important as Nathan Ingram but their actings are always brilliant, like every other character on Person of Interest.
That man walked in without knowing all of the details. Of course he could not have won that argument. Especially if he didn't know something as simple as the price
Also, contractors are always dictating terms!
I love Nathan essentially kept control of the situation with selling it for $1 since if it was an actual price they could easily lower it or just back out, but $1 for the info it gave is perceived so wild that it is a deal you have to take
I think this is my favorite scene from the entire series. I especially love the look Alicia gives Nathan when he says "So I guess the number panned out." If looks could kill.
Underrated actor with an awesome presence
One of my all-time favourite scenes in the show! Wish we could see more Nathan in flashbacks...
One of the shows I wish I forgot, so I could watch it again. All but the last episode. That would not exist in my forgotten world.
I always loved the scenes with Nathan in them. The character may have only been a supporting one but the actor nailed every scene he was in. I wish he could have been a bigger part of the show but I understand why he wasn't.
Well, Reese and Finch receive the irrelevant numbers thanks to Nathan Ingram.
I would have sold it for 5 dollars. Get a coffee out of it.
😂
trading 101,
cant like because you have 101 likes hehe
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That was 2005. You could get a coffee for a dollar.
Well there is some symbolism there. $1 USD has George Washington. The first President. And this may be some significance to the plot. George started a revolution. The Machine prevents revolution from taking place.
This guy is a great actor. I hoped to see him more often. Oh well.
He had a role on Joker
That last "I know. I know" :D
Those office furniture in the early '00s...
too damn true
He is awesome.
Great acting and writing. The first 3 seasons are the real Person of Interest, definitely.
Thank you so much for uploading this. I've looked forward to seeing this particular scene. It's great, how Ingram describes in the Machine to them in this episode.
This is a blilliant scene on every level from narrative perspective. What I like so much about this show it demonstrated dangers of strong AI with such depth and complexity. It's rare among modern product media.
This show was the best show ever.
I like how he says "fuck you" to the guy by asking her the price
Greatest show ever made
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
Robocop
This series was to good for itself
Scene was gold
GODDAMMIT !!! This show needs to go back online !!!!
Please , some rich guy .... spend some money and ..........Re-start this awesome t.v. show !!!
Best t.v. show i have ever seen ! and i have seen them all !
Basically agree. It has the best writing--both thought provoking issues and great humor, an embarrassment of riches in even minor characters e.g. Leon, Zoe, Dominic, Anthony, cops from HR, and great acting. I preferred the earlier, case of the week to the later dystopia stuff, but even that was well done. Alas you can't go home again and I don't know that even if money was there audience would be.
But it's perfect because it was a complete story. Best if "some rich guy" doesn't come and spoil what's gold.
@@guptageneralstores5243 Well, it kinda wasnt though.
The end felt rushed and messy, it was unsatisfactory to me on so many levels.
And I am usually quite content with how series end - even if it is sometimes premature, but Person of interest could have done even so much better and there are sooo many unanswered questions.
@@Minecraftrok999 well, it was actually left with some potential for a spinoff/expansion, iirc. There are several individuals besides Fusco, Shaw, and Finch who are not only aware of the machines existence, but also privy to what Finch and company were up to with the numbers. They also were taking directions from it in order to rescue Reese and Finch from various tight spots in that last season as well. There was the young computer guy entrepreneur, the wily con lady, and another soldier type, right? It could conceivably be rebooted (no pun intended) as a new series with new players on the same premise...Sadly any appearances by Reese would have to be flashbacks of some sort, but it could still have participation from the old cast as such...
But yeah, at least the series had closure and got to finish the story it started. That would have been terribly frustrating otherwise. Great series!
Anyone see how it changes Weeks from Yellow to Red, identifies him as a "threat to system" and declares Access Denied? Fucking cool!
This scene gave me chills👏👏👏
He felt it was his duty as a Citizen, he's building the machine for One US Dollar.
I love how Nathan Ingram's access status is "ALLOWED" while Finch's is "ADMIN". And for Denton, Machin - "I don't like that tone". Cancelled.
2:43 look at that satisfied smug sob
I think he sometimes looks a lot like Sean Bean.
Got killed like him too.
Yeah when he turned up dead I was sure of it. haha
Mert Con Then he’d be dead. Oh wait...
yep, I also noticed:P
Alicia wasn't in many episodes in the series, and in the later few she was in they made her character look tired and haggard, but in this episode she looked damn good.
If I had a dollar for every time I built a super computer... I'd have one dollar.
Take the money out of the equation then there are nothing they can do.
0:10
The man in chaaarge! 😁
I hope I’m not in trouble 😏
1 US Dollar.
Just had a Doh! moment. I just realized that Nathan was also in Lost.
Cool video I Just Subscribed
It took me a while to understand 2:50, but now i get it. The machine changed Access from "prohibited to denied" because weeks tried several times to hack into the system
Weeks, while downstairs: Anyone got change for a $20?
Most important things like air, water life, being happy, are free. A little less important, cost 1$
If only all contractors thought this ethically... Sigh.
Goodwin !
Ben and Goodwin's Alternate Universe Adventure.
I kind of wished the Machine decided to embody Nathan Ingram instead.
cost for national safety 1 dollar. NSA : Nope, not enough...we want more.
Thumbs-Up #1.2K-PLUS I am Friday afternoon 5 June 2020! That smug bastard in the other suit is how too many suits think about “citizens” wanting justice and non-government handling of situations.
What WOULD HAPPEN, if citizens were sworn in as temporary Police to cover areas that those citizens knew better?
For everyone who enjoys how seriously this show, and its competent characters, treat the threat of surveillance and artificial intelligence, you'll probably like the game "Orwell." Look it up!
I wish Ingram would have handed Weeks back a nickel or something
stupid pencil pusher: wHy dOnT wE nEgOtIaTe tHe PrIce
2:33 Hahahaha, MASTERstroke - there goes your leverage RIGHT there, Weeksy! Go on, try knock him down to 50¢, I dare ya!
I can imagine that would be a VERY quiet drive back to DC, apart from Weeks asking Corwin _"Why the HELL didn't you tell me about the one-dollar thing on the way UP?!"_
I wonder if they've got a Shareware version I could try for 30 days...
What I never understood is how Ingram tells them the OS is a black box and he has no idea how it works, but he's the one who "built" it for the government. How do you build something like The Machine and hand it over while saying you don't know how it works?
I think he meant is that it is heavily encrypted to the extent in which it is a black box , even though Finch built most of it ... man I miss this show so much
Thats the next step in evolutionary computing, AI changing its own functions, debugging its own code, writing its own code. Its a black box to us cuz we dont know whats inside and how it modified itself
To be honest that's deep neural networks function. Deep neural networks are Machine learning algorithms that are currently state of the art in almost every task and are infamous for their lack of interpretability. You can make educated guesses based on experience and intuition as to why it makes a certain prediction but you will never know for sure as to why it made that prediction with a 100% certainty. It's been compared to a black box before as well. Of course the way AI was portrayed in the show was very different and frankly doesn't exist to the level in which it was depicted but it's still a wonderful show nonetheless.
At the time of this episode...
This was so dark
Long term trusted agent of the us
Wants to make his life long enemy...
A nuclear power....
For money.
And the government wants to point it at anyone they want.
And the government says: leave the constitution to us😢😢😢😢
$1 is too much, I'll give you 20 cents
I mean, you can't really argue with $1. In this instance you are getting WAY more than what you're paying for. A system like this would be worth the current GDP Polland as a closed system. Open it would be priceless. Heck, closed it would be priceless in a way. Think about it having teams all over the world preventing planned crimes. Criminals would have to either plan by pen and paper, meet in a SCIF, or not plan at all. I'd love the idea of "The Machine" as long as the one we get is like Harold's and not like Samaritan.
Finch asking price is George Washington. Wonder what Claypool charged? Finch "built" his Machine with Ingram. Claypool had his team to "build" his Machine. In this logic, an honest Abe Lincoln would be the right amount for Samaritan (to play WOPER games).
Terminator born
I suppose I don’t have a choice means I can sell my mother for money. That is why he is threat for machine😂
If a machine that is designed to stop terrorism and it costs only $1 USD. Would you use it? For example, free VPN service to protect your activities.
Es increible lo que uno puede lograr cuando se hacen las cosas gratis. Cuando se hacen por motivos mucho mas fuertes. La plata es solo un pedaso de papel. Yo tampoco hago lo que hago por una motivacion tan precaria como la plata. Yo en todo caso, queria ser rico para usar la plata como instrumento para poder invertir y construir. Pero no la necesito para ser poderoso. Y creo que vos tampoco.
Nathan got greedy...
the three people who disliked are Claypool, Greer and Samaritan
Elia Granchi Arthur Claypool would have probably clicked "Like" since he said he was glad that Finch's project was the one that the government decided to go with in the wake of the government saying no to Samaritan at first.
Claypool would've liked and Subscribed.
Nah you got Claypool all wrong. Greer turned Samaritan into what it was, if it were up to Claypool Samaritan would have been a lot more like the machine.
y'all are completely right - i think i messed up the names. i meant to say the guy who shot Root, and for some weird reason i associated him with Claypool
One of my favorite scenes in POI but Nathan's line in the beginning sounded as if he didn't know what he was building. I think his answer to Denton Week's question should've been expanded a bit more in that he didn't know what the Machine saw that resulted in its decision rather than simply saying that it was a 'black box'.
But Finch was the one building it so he may genuinely not have known.
I guess Nathan knew quite well about the Machine... Remember the "Admin is not Admin" scene? He was the one uploaded the datasets...
I'd buy that for a dollar
In reality Christine too changed. In fact, she/he might have actually been Tarik, who was, quite possibly, Michael.
In some scenes “John” was played by “Blake”, character wise. I think that is a lot of the problem. People do not understand the language. As with any professional arena, each has it’s own language, like real estate, or law. The same applies to the music industry, etc.
Watching the tv show I always thought Nathan was the bad guy. I may not have been right
It was a great show especially the first three seasons however if the machine knew it was being fought by another machine I would have to say its reaction was truly stupid the entire time by only having four people being its protectors. Does anyone want to comment on that?
A bit too late maybe but... Finch essentially crippled the machine. All we see the machine doing before being "freed" later in the series is within very narrow constraints that Finch put in. It couldn't just do whatever it wanted. It's actually a major plot point in the series.
Even after that, with complete freedom access-wise, it was still encumbered by the morality and restrain Finch essentially programmed in it. Samaritan was not.
The machine did eventually recruit more people without telling finch (no way just 4 people could do all the numbers)
He/she appeared at that school, Family Ties. She has a set of Irish twins seventeen months apart. That place has paint peeling off of the walls, prison fencing, windows that don’t open and a basketball court with only five or six lights working. It is a real school during the week. A place that they send troubled kids, imagine that. What Orange County is doing is breeding the next generation of criminals, fact not fiction. Nevertheless, it is your right to pay for and receive a private facilitator, as did I. Judge Murphy denied my request which violated not only the law but my civil liberties as a United States citizen. It was not in his jurisdiction to deny shit. That was Sweeney behind the mask of Plummer, understand? If you think this is over, you are sadly mistaken. I haven’t even really begun.
WTF are you talking about? This has nothing to do with Person Of Interest.