@@SpecOfTech Quick question. When I place my surround wides a foot above ear level do they need to be tilted down. My in walls only swivel from left to right. I could place them in front of me at ear level and swivle it to me.
Great Video. I have a room measuring 12 feet (width) 16 feet (length) and 9 feet (height). My AV guy recommended a 7.3.4 configuration. It's strange to me to have 3 subs with 2 in front and 1 at the rear. The 2 in front are same subs from the same company while the one at the rear is a different sub from a different company. How do you see it? Thanks.
I do reference my room tour video in this video. But if you do want to see my room in more detail here is the link, enjoy! ua-cam.com/video/qG_OMlZrlAk/v-deo.html
So if you're adding 4 height speakers two in the front and two in the back how would you connect the voice of God speaker (right above you) where would you connect that speaker to the receiver?
Hi, I got 2 Dolby audio recievers and a 4 channel + Sub KEF analog speaker option. Is there any software allowing to mix several speaker setups into one atmos set? I want to use Windows PC as output. Any suggestions?
Well it all depends on priorities. In-ceiling look much cleaner, and they do have offerings that you can direct the tweeter towards the listener, so that helps. For me personally, I used Klipsch outdoor speakers so that I could aim them directly at the seats. You should get a much more accurate spatial sound of you can aim the speakers at the listener vs at the floor. Long story short, if you want the cleanest looking set up, go with in-ceiling, if you want the best sounding, go with a setup that you can aim the speakers directly at the listener.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks, that was my thoughts, a lot of people here advocate for down-firing speakers aimed at the floor, which makes no sense to me. Sound is priority and any option will be as annoying as the other, so I am likely going for bookshelf speakers on a bracket to aim them.
height channels are great unless they used correctly. I find most of the height speakers on the market are designed for huge rooms. They just seem to fire over ones head! So going with adjustable brackets or better still ball joint connectors would be the way to go. If interested you can see how Ive managed to do it with this little video I posted... ua-cam.com/video/xvdqI5qZa6g/v-deo.html
Your info about 45 degrees for the heights for Auro 3d is incorrect. Per the designer of Auro (Wilfred) he said 25 to 30 degrres is ideal to keep connection with the ear level speakers. If mounted too high like 45 degrees or more its less effective and losesthe reality factor. . Check the auro 3d specs guide.
Thanks for the comment and concern, but I never stated that Auro 3D heights are to be mounted at 45 degrees. I had pointed out that those height configurations were Dolby Atmos specs. I stated later in the video that Auro 3D gets only 1 ceiling channel, which is essentially placed in the middle of the ceiling, called the Voice of God. As a matter of fact I never dove too deep into Auro 3D specific placement, because I recommend an Atmos set up...cheers.
Great video. HATE the whiny synth background music. It's very distracting when trying to take in all your great advice. Despite that, a big thumbs up - Like. Thanks!
I am doing 5.2.4 system. My couches sit against the back wall. Can I use the bipole speakers on back wall as my surround or should i make those the rear surround. Hard to put it at 90 degrees because of door on one side. I have 4 ceiling speakers. 2 middle ceiling, 2 on rear ceiling. I was going to use those as the 4 atmos. what are your suggestions..
We all just work with the space we have my friend. But yes, I believe a bipole speaker would work for you in that situation. They are great when placement is less than ideal.
@@SpecOfTech the other option is to make the bipole rear surround the rear celiing the surrounds and have one atmos pair middle celing. Is that the way or first way
Hey David D, the name is Barrett ;P! Hard to say definitively because their are no numbers published for the S1512. I would say that pure performance wise, the S1512 will out perform the SB4000, but I don't imagine by a large margin. The benefit to the SB4000 would be the app functionality and aesthetics, the S1512 is a pretty basic finish. If keeping the cost for performance down is the number one goal, go with the S1512 as it is cheaper, if the app and aesthetics are more important go with the SB4000. Hope that helps...cheers!
@@davidd9342 Hey David, I was in the same spot as you, PSA or SVS SB4000 a couple months ago. I got the SVS SB400. Its a beast. My room is mid size, and it can shake glasses off the shelf in the kitchen with movies, bass in some music has made me freak out. (dizzy) The DSP App is amazing, adjusting the parameters, presets, room gain, EQ, and volume is a great thing, as some movies, music are mixed so differently. No more carpet crawling. This is my 10th sub, had duals ect, its a keeper! (just my opinion) Order from summit hi-fi, talk to Aamir
When side surround speakers are 2 feet above the MLP is it correct to angle them to point down towards the MLP? The same if you have ceiling speakers in front of the MLP, should I angle them to point towards the MLP?
I plan on running 7 full range tower speakers for my ear level speakers in my 7.2.4 system. What are your thoughts about that and have you seen anyone else do that ?
There definitely isn't anything wrong with doing that. Are you running them with a subwoofer and a crossover, or no subwoofer no crossover? If you are running them with a subwoofer and a crossover you won't be using them near their potential. The front stage makes complete sense to be full range, but the surrounds don't get used nearly as much during movies for big sound effects. The odd time they are, but seldom. All that said, I am a believer in building your system to however YOU want it, so if you want tower speakers all around you, then I say go for it.
great video! I want to set up a 5.2.4 system with a denon 4400 receiver...My couch doesnt sit against the back wall..there are at least 8 feet between couch and the back wall. So for atmos I have 2 SVS Prime elevation speakers which I will mount on the front wall as high as possible lining up with the Left front speaker and Right front speaker as you mentioned. For the other 2 atmos I have either a par of ELAC debut which I could put on top of the surrounds OR I have a spare pair of small bookshelf speakers from paradigm I could use...I could mount these bookshelf speakers at the back of the room high on the back wall angled down I guess-lined up with the front speakers. I know the idea is to get the optimal angle or would I be better off with the ELAC bouncing sound on the ceiling behind me? I think the 2 most important atmos speakers are at the front. Suggestions? Thanks so much
Hey Erik thanks for watching and the comment. Here is the thing about Atmos module reflection type speakers, they work, sort of. The best option for height channels is to have an actual speaker in the height position. Putting them high on the wall is a great spot, and will work, but ideally, you want them physically on the ceiling angled towards you. I hope this answers your question...cheers. P.S. For a smooth back to front or front to back panning effect for heights, the back is just as important as the front height channel. Ideally, you should be equal distance to the front and back heights.
@@SpecOfTech thanks. I will move into a house next month and I will try to experiment a bit. I think I will use my 2 SVS elevation as Front High and I will try the ELAC on the back as dolby surround. Depending of what I hear I will decide whether to use a couple of bookshelf speakers mounted as Rear High instead. It all depends! Thanks so much
Don't mount SVS prime elevations to high up of you want to enjoy auro 3d. 25 to 39 deg from ear level is ideal. You can maximize dolby atmos and auro 3d if you follow Wilfreds (auro designer) recommended setup.
Spec Of Tech i sold my amp so i need new amp i ether antham or marantz i already have 7 speakers and svs 2000pro so now i have to choose a amp and the combo 2 of my speakers are bi polar or di not sure so if i go 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 i cant really use the bi polar speakers . Have you heard the difference between 5.1.2 5.1.4 7.1.2 ?
@@Samzep You can use bipolar speakers for sides and rears. They aren't the ideal thing as Dolby recommends monopoles for surrounds in Atmos, but that doesn't mean that bipoles won't work great. I have heard the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 and also 5.1/7.1 to 5.1.4//7.1.4. I will say that there was less of a benefit for me personally, going from 5.1 to 7.1 than there was going from 7.1 to 7.1.4. The height effects added more immersion to me, than adding the 7.1 rear channels. Now that can be subjective, because it depends on the movie mix as well, but I am speaking generally!
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One thing i'd like to ask is about rear surrounds..i have 5.2.2 system at the moment in my living room, but my dedicated theater room is getting ready soon and i'm gonna move my whole system there and i need to replace all the speakers. And because of the door, placing rear surrounds to right hight is gonna be problematic, so what do you think about placing rear surrounds to the hight that is above the door..facing a little bit downward..?
@Spec Of Tech - Newbie to your channel. Enjoyed your videos. Just subscribed & Liked. Really appreciate your candid professional evaluations and LOTs of information indeed. Learned a lot from your videos. Real value add...Kudos! Q1: For 2 story high ceilings in the living room (say ~24'), for a 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 Atmos config, are height speakers the only option since ceilings are too high? What happens if you do install ceiling speakers and crank it up? Q2: Incidentally, what are some of the best ceiling speakers (for Atmos) without breaking the bank? (I am currently using 4 SVS Height speakers at 12' high - not very ideal.) I came across some B&W Cinema series, KEF, etc. I find KEF's Uni-Q drivers play well with the "object-oriented" (directional) sound. Not sure if you had come across that in your experience or awareness.
7:18 Ideally you want all bed layer speakers at ear level per Dolby atmos installation guidelines (page 6 describes it, page 8 shows elevation view), assuming your seat won't block the sound from rear speakers.
If you go to the Dolby website and click on the side surround speakers, they state quite clearly to "place them just above ear level". The common number that I found to be used was 2 feet, but Dolby wasn't specific. The rear speakers almost always need to be higher as well to get above the back of the seat. That isn't to say that ear level is bad though, it will work just fine as well.
@@SpecOfTech The old traditional 5.1 and 7.1 setups, dolby recommends the sides to be just above ear level. Now with Dolby Atmos, dolby recommends all bed layer speakers at ear level for atmos playback. This is to better separate the sound from the height speakers and bed layer speakers. You can google "dolby atmos installation guidelines" and download a pdf describing the various speaker layouts and heights. Even if you have the side/rear speakers 1-2' above ear level, probably won't make that much of a difference.
@@strobez38 Thank you for pointing that out. I still find conflicting statements from speaker manufacturers stating to place side surrounds about 2 feet above ear level even for Dolby Atmos setups. The authority is Dolby, so even though it probably doesnt make a difference, ear level is the new "ideal" level for side surrounds in an Atmos setup.
Imagine when setting surround speakers at ear level. If I'm satting in the centre. My left and right bunny will block the path of surround sound effect.
Dolby actually does spec this in the installation pdf at 1.25x the height of the LCR. 2' is quite high. The bed layer needs to stay as low as possible to maintain separation between it and the atmos channels. If the LCR are at 36" then the surrounds /rears can be 9" higher. Now with risers and high seat backs it's not that simple especially with rears.
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Hey brother, genuine question, given your experience with the Klipsch AW series for atmos… Would there be a noticeable difference between the AW-400 vs the AW-525 used exclusively for atmos?
The unicorn is my daughters chair, she loves it too. Increase my wattage lmao, I already have way more than I need for Klipsch speakers. But when you plan on going with a preamp, you need external amps,. I definitely wouldn't liken my system to a Pontiac Sunfire though ;)! Cheers buddy!
I have a small room with my seat placed to a wall . Whitch height speaker do i place to the sides of the seat ? Side hheight or rear height speaker option on the receiver?
Front wall not too high up. Use as front heights.. Check out Techno Dads and Daily hi Fi channels and their multiple talks with the designer of the Auro 3d system. 25 to 30 degrees up high from listening position .
@@BuildMontage Thanks for replying and not ignoring me lol. Was happy to connect with you. Thanks for the tips so far. I can tell you have a lot to teach as well!
Awesome tour and great setup, new sub. Just curious I have a really small room I'm turning into a HT. Acoustically transparent screen, 3 towers in behind for LCR. My dilemma is side surrounds as it's barely 10 feet wide, I'm assuming bipole would work best as opposed to monopole to prevent sound projectiles bouncing off the walls and being too direct causing localization. Thanks 🍁
Yes sir, if you are using bi-poles you should have them at 90 degrees. One of the main purposes of a bi-pole is so that the speaker isn't firing directly into the ear of the person sitting closest to it. So you want the 2 "poles" to be firing slightly behind and slightly in front of that person. Essentially, so they are sitting off-axis to the firing drivers. Hope that helps, cheers.
Hi! A couple of questions... If I use bipolar speakers as side surround I have to consider them as normal speakers or should I put them in a different way? And...by considering that the listening point should be at the same height of LCR, if I have towers with a fixed height what happens?
If you are using bipolar speakers just consider them as "normal", there is no need to change anything. When it comes to tweeter height the front stage is the most important to get as close to ear level as you can. The surrounds are often slightly higher so that they aim above the chair backs. Does that answer your question?
Everyone has a different room and must work with the space and distances they have. There are some general rules, but they are directly related to fractions of the specific room you are installing in. If you would like to know more regarding distances here is the official Dolby Atmos installation guidelines...cheers. www.dolby.com/siteassets/technologies/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf
Marantz makes some solid AVR's and Processors. I have not experienced the 8015 personally, but I did have their AV7706, and it was a fantastic processor. I imagine the 8015 is a solid unit, which will offer great sound and a plethora of features. If you are looking for a step in sound quality and channel separation, consider going with the AV7706 and separate amps, assuming your budget will allow...cheers.
If you have in ceiling atmos speakers with adjustable/movable tweeters, should you turn them in towards the center viewing area, (like the front L/R are toe'd in)?
REW (Room EW Wizard) is the software I was referring to. The software is actually free, but you will need to buy a calibrated microphone to use it. The MiniDSP UMIK1 is a great choice of Microphone.
So Bi poll I'm understanding is good for Dolby Atmos. heard the opposite for side surrounds. Because they Said you need a directional regular speaker. Because the at most speakers fill in the space. I am not sure someone and tell me if that is correct or not
Yeah that is what the Dolby document recommends. When running an Atmos setup the side surrounds shouldn't be 2ft above ear level either. That is one aspect I missed in this video. So an Atmos setup they recommend a monopole speaker and just slightly above ear level. Hope that helps.
Ignore what Dolby says. Dipole or bipole sounds better on the side surrounds then mono. The object based atmos crap is a load of bs and doesn't work. Mono's on the sides are are two distracting and in your ear. If you want to use Mono's for sides place them on the floor and fire towards the ceiling.
Having surround speakers above ear-level is the old method. Dolby now recommends your surround speakers at ear level coinciding with the adoption of Dolby Atmos. So if you are doing Atmos/DTSX, ear-level. If not, then put then above ear level.
By the way, great video thank you. I agree with slightly higher surrounds. Surrounds at ear level are great if you’re the person in the sweet spot. If you the one either side of the sweet spot the you get higher volumes hitting you in your left or right ear when running 7.x. I guess for that reason I can see the need to set the surrounds a little higher. I ran 7.1 for a few years with Bowers in-Walls all round. My only gripe was having the surrounds too low on the wall. We are building a new place and in planning mode right now. Planning to run Klipsch in-walls/ceilings with 7.2.4 configuration with Denon AVR 4500 with 2 Velodyne 10” subs. The room is 4.8m x 3.7x with 2.4m ceilings so not the biggest room but decent rectangle. I think I’ll run the surrounds and rears at around 24” above ear level but very open to other opinions and thoughts. Thanks again for the great video. Subscribed..
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That would be more difficult, but ultimately you would want to mount the "crooked". You could use some wood behind them to provide the angle. Unless they provide a great center image and soundstage as is, then no need for toe in.
Great video, I gained a new understanding of the different settings on my new avr. I guess no since in playing movies on auro 3d setting if the speakers are placed for an atmos listening experience. I placed 2- 6" ceiling speakers directly above the couch. Sounds awesome. Thank you
I have the Denon X4500H and it automatically sets them to height middle, because of the pre amp setting. Running the ceiling speakers off of the old yamaha 7.2 (main channels as a pre amp) and now I got 11.2 channels, and with the Atmos app on the xbox series x this thing rocks. Still trying to figure out the surround title... 7.2.4 maybe. Two powered 10"subs.
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Did you just slap the year 2023 on this 3 yr old video 😂😂😂😂. Very ingenious
lol, thank you. Speaker placement recommendations haven't changed, so it still applies in 2023.
2024 now😂
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Thanks for this video man. I really appreciate it. Upgrading my 5.2.0 set up to a 7.2.4 and you cleared up a ton of things.
No problem brother, I'm glad it helped.
@@SpecOfTech Quick question. When I place my surround wides a foot above ear level do they need to be tilted down. My in walls only swivel from left to right. I could place them in front of me at ear level and swivle it to me.
@davonfranklin5158 All speakers should be ear level. Only speakers for me above me are my 6 atmos. All others are at exact esr level
I have found that moving the "Front" speakers to more of a 45 degree angle from my head sounds way better than actually having them in front.
Great Video. I have a room measuring 12 feet (width) 16 feet (length) and 9 feet (height). My AV guy recommended a 7.3.4 configuration. It's strange to me to have 3 subs with 2 in front and 1 at the rear. The 2 in front are same subs from the same company while the one at the rear is a different sub from a different company. How do you see it? Thanks.
Briliant... thank you!
Would be nice to see the room and set up in the video that your face throughout the video
I do reference my room tour video in this video. But if you do want to see my room in more detail here is the link, enjoy! ua-cam.com/video/qG_OMlZrlAk/v-deo.html
Nice intro bud , gave me some ideas for my channel which I’m trying to get going .
Thank you, best of luck on your channel brother!
Can you link to the "roo" program you keep mentioning? Tried searching but likely not spelling it correctly..! Cheers
No problem, here you go brother.
www.roomeqwizard.com/
So if you're adding 4 height speakers two in the front and two in the back how would you connect the voice of God speaker (right above you) where would you connect that speaker to the receiver?
Hi,
I got 2 Dolby audio recievers and a 4 channel + Sub KEF analog speaker option.
Is there any software allowing to mix several speaker setups into one atmos set?
I want to use Windows PC as output.
Any suggestions?
Feeling on in-ceiling speakers vs using bookshelves as the height speakers? And down firing vs direct?
Well it all depends on priorities. In-ceiling look much cleaner, and they do have offerings that you can direct the tweeter towards the listener, so that helps. For me personally, I used Klipsch outdoor speakers so that I could aim them directly at the seats. You should get a much more accurate spatial sound of you can aim the speakers at the listener vs at the floor. Long story short, if you want the cleanest looking set up, go with in-ceiling, if you want the best sounding, go with a setup that you can aim the speakers directly at the listener.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks, that was my thoughts, a lot of people here advocate for down-firing speakers aimed at the floor, which makes no sense to me. Sound is priority and any option will be as annoying as the other, so I am likely going for bookshelf speakers on a bracket to aim them.
height channels are great unless they used correctly.
I find most of the height speakers on the market are designed for huge rooms. They just seem to fire over ones head! So going with adjustable brackets or better still ball joint connectors would be the way to go. If interested you can see how Ive managed to do it with this little video I posted...
ua-cam.com/video/xvdqI5qZa6g/v-deo.html
Your info about 45 degrees for the heights for Auro 3d is incorrect. Per the designer of Auro (Wilfred) he said 25 to 30 degrres is ideal to keep connection with the ear level speakers. If mounted too high like 45 degrees or more its less effective and losesthe reality factor. . Check the auro 3d specs guide.
Thanks for the comment and concern, but I never stated that Auro 3D heights are to be mounted at 45 degrees. I had pointed out that those height configurations were Dolby Atmos specs. I stated later in the video that Auro 3D gets only 1 ceiling channel, which is essentially placed in the middle of the ceiling, called the Voice of God. As a matter of fact I never dove too deep into Auro 3D specific placement, because I recommend an Atmos set up...cheers.
What can you recommend mount bracket for Klipsch rp250s? thanks in advance
Great video. HATE the whiny synth background music. It's very distracting when trying to take in all your great advice. Despite that, a big thumbs up - Like. Thanks!
I am doing 5.2.4 system. My couches sit against the back wall. Can I use the bipole speakers on back wall as my surround or should i make those the rear surround. Hard to put it at 90 degrees because of door on one side. I have 4 ceiling speakers. 2 middle ceiling, 2 on rear ceiling. I was going to use those as the 4 atmos. what are your suggestions..
We all just work with the space we have my friend. But yes, I believe a bipole speaker would work for you in that situation. They are great when placement is less than ideal.
@@SpecOfTech the other option is to make the bipole rear surround the rear celiing the surrounds and have one atmos pair middle celing. Is that the way or first way
Barry, thinking of getting a PSA- S 1512 or SVS SB4000. Your thoughts?
Hey David D, the name is Barrett ;P! Hard to say definitively because their are no numbers published for the S1512. I would say that pure performance wise, the S1512 will out perform the SB4000, but I don't imagine by a large margin. The benefit to the SB4000 would be the app functionality and aesthetics, the S1512 is a pretty basic finish. If keeping the cost for performance down is the number one goal, go with the S1512 as it is cheaper, if the app and aesthetics are more important go with the SB4000. Hope that helps...cheers!
Thanks Barrett, appreciate the response.
@@davidd9342 Hey David, I was in the same spot as you, PSA or SVS SB4000 a couple months ago. I got the SVS SB400. Its a beast. My room is mid size, and it can shake glasses off the shelf in the kitchen with movies, bass in some music has made me freak out. (dizzy) The DSP App is amazing, adjusting the parameters, presets, room gain, EQ, and volume is a great thing, as some movies, music are mixed so differently. No more carpet crawling. This is my 10th sub, had duals ect, its a keeper! (just my opinion) Order from summit hi-fi, talk to Aamir
Could you tell me the app you mentioned callled roof or room? thanks, excellent vid for newbie
Thanks for watching. The software I mentioned is REW (Room Eq Wizard)...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks for the quick response
When side surround speakers are 2 feet above the MLP is it correct to angle them to point down towards the MLP? The same if you have ceiling speakers in front of the MLP, should I angle them to point towards the MLP?
I plan on running 7 full range tower speakers for my ear level speakers in my 7.2.4 system. What are your thoughts about that and have you seen anyone else do that ?
There definitely isn't anything wrong with doing that. Are you running them with a subwoofer and a crossover, or no subwoofer no crossover?
If you are running them with a subwoofer and a crossover you won't be using them near their potential. The front stage makes complete sense to be full range, but the surrounds don't get used nearly as much during movies for big sound effects. The odd time they are, but seldom. All that said, I am a believer in building your system to however YOU want it, so if you want tower speakers all around you, then I say go for it.
I am running 2 subs
great video! I want to set up a 5.2.4 system with a denon 4400 receiver...My couch doesnt sit against the back wall..there are at least 8 feet between couch and the back wall. So for atmos I have 2 SVS Prime elevation speakers which I will mount on the front wall as high as possible lining up with the Left front speaker and Right front speaker as you mentioned. For the other 2 atmos I have either a par of ELAC debut which I could put on top of the surrounds OR I have a spare pair of small bookshelf speakers from paradigm I could use...I could mount these bookshelf speakers at the back of the room high on the back wall angled down I guess-lined up with the front speakers. I know the idea is to get the optimal angle or would I be better off with the ELAC bouncing sound on the ceiling behind me? I think the 2 most important atmos speakers are at the front. Suggestions? Thanks so much
Hey Erik thanks for watching and the comment. Here is the thing about Atmos module reflection type speakers, they work, sort of. The best option for height channels is to have an actual speaker in the height position. Putting them high on the wall is a great spot, and will work, but ideally, you want them physically on the ceiling angled towards you. I hope this answers your question...cheers.
P.S. For a smooth back to front or front to back panning effect for heights, the back is just as important as the front height channel. Ideally, you should be equal distance to the front and back heights.
@@SpecOfTech thanks. I will move into a house next month and I will try to experiment a bit. I think I will use my 2 SVS elevation as Front High and I will try the ELAC on the back as dolby surround. Depending of what I hear I will decide whether to use a couple of bookshelf speakers mounted as Rear High instead. It all depends! Thanks so much
@@TheFandangovideoguy No problem brother, good luck. I am sure you will get it figured out and sounding great...cheers.
Don't mount SVS prime elevations to high up of you want to enjoy auro 3d. 25 to 39 deg from ear level is ideal. You can maximize dolby atmos and auro 3d if you follow Wilfreds (auro designer) recommended setup.
Great vid i cant choose to go 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 or 7.1.2
Thanks man. Personally, I would go 7.1.2 and then add another 2 height channels down the road.
Spec Of Tech i sold my amp so i need new amp i ether antham or marantz i already have 7 speakers and svs 2000pro so now i have to choose a amp and the combo 2 of my speakers are bi polar or di not sure so if i go 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 i cant really use the bi polar speakers . Have you heard the difference between 5.1.2 5.1.4 7.1.2 ?
@@Samzep You can use bipolar speakers for sides and rears. They aren't the ideal thing as Dolby recommends monopoles for surrounds in Atmos, but that doesn't mean that bipoles won't work great. I have heard the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 and also 5.1/7.1 to 5.1.4//7.1.4. I will say that there was less of a benefit for me personally, going from 5.1 to 7.1 than there was going from 7.1 to 7.1.4. The height effects added more immersion to me, than adding the 7.1 rear channels. Now that can be subjective, because it depends on the movie mix as well, but I am speaking generally!
Spec Of Tech mabey i should go 7.1.2 i have concrete celing so will have to bolt on the 2 atmos speakers to the celing which I don’t mind
What is that subwoofer placement software "rue or roo" you mentioned? I can't seem to find any reference to it on the Internet.
Hey man, sorry I should have put it up on the screen. It's REW (Room EQ Wizard), free to download.
@@SpecOfTech I thought you said "brew". I played it back like 10 times to make sure I heard you correctly. I kept coming up with coffee and beer brewing. Now Google are going to be spaming me with cofee and beer brewing targeted advertising.....
@@bentreseder1099 lol sorry man!
One thing i'd like to ask is about rear surrounds..i have 5.2.2 system at the moment in my living room, but my dedicated theater room is getting ready soon and i'm gonna move my whole system there and i need to replace all the speakers. And because of the door, placing rear surrounds to right hight is gonna be problematic, so what do you think about placing rear surrounds to the hight that is above the door..facing a little bit downward..?
@Spec Of Tech - Newbie to your channel. Enjoyed your videos. Just subscribed & Liked. Really appreciate your candid professional evaluations and LOTs of information indeed. Learned a lot from your videos. Real value add...Kudos!
Q1: For 2 story high ceilings in the living room (say ~24'), for a 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 Atmos config, are height speakers the only option since ceilings are too high? What happens if you do install ceiling speakers and crank it up?
Q2: Incidentally, what are some of the best ceiling speakers (for Atmos) without breaking the bank? (I am currently using 4 SVS Height speakers at 12' high - not very ideal.) I came across some B&W Cinema series, KEF, etc. I find KEF's Uni-Q drivers play well with the "object-oriented" (directional) sound. Not sure if you had come across that in your experience or awareness.
7:18 Ideally you want all bed layer speakers at ear level per Dolby atmos installation guidelines (page 6 describes it, page 8 shows elevation view), assuming your seat won't block the sound from rear speakers.
If you go to the Dolby website and click on the side surround speakers, they state quite clearly to "place them just above ear level". The common number that I found to be used was 2 feet, but Dolby wasn't specific. The rear speakers almost always need to be higher as well to get above the back of the seat. That isn't to say that ear level is bad though, it will work just fine as well.
@@SpecOfTech The old traditional 5.1 and 7.1 setups, dolby recommends the sides to be just above ear level. Now with Dolby Atmos, dolby recommends all bed layer speakers at ear level for atmos playback. This is to better separate the sound from the height speakers and bed layer speakers. You can google "dolby atmos installation guidelines" and download a pdf describing the various speaker layouts and heights. Even if you have the side/rear speakers 1-2' above ear level, probably won't make that much of a difference.
@@strobez38 Thank you for pointing that out. I still find conflicting statements from speaker manufacturers stating to place side surrounds about 2 feet above ear level even for Dolby Atmos setups. The authority is Dolby, so even though it probably doesnt make a difference, ear level is the new "ideal" level for side surrounds in an Atmos setup.
Imagine when setting surround speakers at ear level. If I'm satting in the centre. My left and right bunny will block the path of surround sound effect.
Dolby actually does spec this in the installation pdf at 1.25x the height of the LCR. 2' is quite high. The bed layer needs to stay as low as possible to maintain separation between it and the atmos channels. If the LCR are at 36" then the surrounds /rears can be 9" higher.
Now with risers and high seat backs it's not that simple especially with rears.
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Hey brother, genuine question, given your experience with the Klipsch AW series for atmos…
Would there be a noticeable difference between the AW-400 vs the AW-525 used exclusively for atmos?
Love that Unicorn. Must increase the watts on your amp by like 200! Like a big spolier on a pontiac sunfire.
The unicorn is my daughters chair, she loves it too. Increase my wattage lmao, I already have way more than I need for Klipsch speakers. But when you plan on going with a preamp, you need external amps,. I definitely wouldn't liken my system to a Pontiac Sunfire though ;)! Cheers buddy!
Exactly what im.looking 4 thank you for your explanation, can u show how to set up atmos and auro to play simultaneously
Sorry, as far as I know you cannot have 2 different sound formats playing simultaneously, it would have to be one or the other.
I have a small room with my seat placed to a wall . Whitch height speaker do i place to the sides of the seat ? Side hheight or rear height speaker option on the receiver?
If you are only going to be using the 1 set of heights, I would recommend placing them in the middle and use them as center heights.
Great videos. Where would u recommend placing svs elevation speakers on the ceiling? my receiver only supports two Atmos.
Thanks for watching :)! IMO if you are only going with 2 Atmos speakers, I would use them as middle heights.
@@SpecOfTech I have them mounted on the left and right side walls facing the middle room. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing effects lol. Thanks
Front wall not too high up. Use as front heights.. Check out Techno Dads and Daily hi Fi channels and their multiple talks with the designer of the Auro 3d system. 25 to 30 degrees up high from listening position .
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Thank you!
Great, but the TV is too high.
The TV is exactly as high as I want it.
What difference does it make where you place a Klipsch? It's gonna suck anywhere in the room...
Hai.. My home theatre size ia 14 X 32. Can U suggest to placement of speakers
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Great video Barrett :)
Thanks man, I must say I am a huge fan of your vids as well.
Spec Of Tech awesome thanks for reaching out too! You have a LOT of knowledge that the community will benefit from :)
@@BuildMontage Thanks for replying and not ignoring me lol. Was happy to connect with you. Thanks for the tips so far. I can tell you have a lot to teach as well!
I'm gad I caught your updated 2024 update over the 2023 one!
Me too, that was a close one lol.
Awesome tour and great setup, new sub. Just curious I have a really small room I'm turning into a HT. Acoustically transparent screen, 3 towers in behind for LCR. My dilemma is side surrounds as it's barely 10 feet wide, I'm assuming bipole would work best as opposed to monopole to prevent sound projectiles bouncing off the walls and being too direct causing localization. Thanks 🍁
Actually, Dolby recommends monopole for side surrounds. With proper room acoustic treatment it should work just fine.
When placing bipole speakers as side surrounds do you still place them at 90 degrees from the main listening position? Thanks for your advice!
Yes sir, if you are using bi-poles you should have them at 90 degrees. One of the main purposes of a bi-pole is so that the speaker isn't firing directly into the ear of the person sitting closest to it. So you want the 2 "poles" to be firing slightly behind and slightly in front of that person. Essentially, so they are sitting off-axis to the firing drivers. Hope that helps, cheers.
Hi! A couple of questions...
If I use bipolar speakers as side surround I have to consider them as normal speakers or should I put them in a different way?
And...by considering that the listening point should be at the same height of LCR, if I have towers with a fixed height what happens?
If you are using bipolar speakers just consider them as "normal", there is no need to change anything. When it comes to tweeter height the front stage is the most important to get as close to ear level as you can. The surrounds are often slightly higher so that they aim above the chair backs. Does that answer your question?
How to know toe-in 22-30° degrees?
nothing was mentioned about minimum distance from closest listener for each placement?
Everyone has a different room and must work with the space and distances they have. There are some general rules, but they are directly related to fractions of the specific room you are installing in. If you would like to know more regarding distances here is the official Dolby Atmos installation guidelines...cheers.
www.dolby.com/siteassets/technologies/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf
Thank you I did not have my speakers placed properly
No problem brother, I am glad it helped.
What speaker mount did you use to mount your Klipsch surround sound speakers?
Actually, they weren't mounted at all, just placed in their spots.
Hello man, what do you think about marantz sr 8015?
Marantz makes some solid AVR's and Processors. I have not experienced the 8015 personally, but I did have their AV7706, and it was a fantastic processor. I imagine the 8015 is a solid unit, which will offer great sound and a plethora of features. If you are looking for a step in sound quality and channel separation, consider going with the AV7706 and separate amps, assuming your budget will allow...cheers.
If you have in ceiling atmos speakers with adjustable/movable tweeters, should you turn them in towards the center viewing area, (like the front L/R are toe'd in)?
Yes you should. The more you can direct the sound radiation towards the listener the better the sound will be.
@@SpecOfTech thanks so much. Since I ran this current setup with Dirac live, I assume I should I re-run it after adjusting the tweeters?
@danielhughes1511 You got it man, after making any adjustments to speaker placement you need to rerun room Cal.
At 3:26 you mention some software, what software it is?
REW (Room EW Wizard) is the software I was referring to. The software is actually free, but you will need to buy a calibrated microphone to use it. The MiniDSP UMIK1 is a great choice of Microphone.
So Bi poll I'm understanding is good for Dolby Atmos. heard the opposite for side surrounds. Because they Said you need a directional regular speaker. Because the at most speakers fill in the space. I am not sure someone and tell me if that is correct or not
Yeah that is what the Dolby document recommends. When running an Atmos setup the side surrounds shouldn't be 2ft above ear level either. That is one aspect I missed in this video. So an Atmos setup they recommend a monopole speaker and just slightly above ear level. Hope that helps.
Ignore what Dolby says. Dipole or bipole sounds better on the side surrounds then mono. The object based atmos crap is a load of bs and doesn't work. Mono's on the sides are are two distracting and in your ear. If you want to use Mono's for sides place them on the floor and fire towards the ceiling.
your brilliant.. very helpful.
Having surround speakers above ear-level is the old method. Dolby now recommends your surround speakers at ear level coinciding with the adoption of Dolby Atmos.
So if you are doing Atmos/DTSX, ear-level. If not, then put then above ear level.
Yes it seems I should have included that in the video! Most documents online still refer to placing them above ear level.
By the way, great video thank you. I agree with slightly higher surrounds. Surrounds at ear level are great if you’re the person in the sweet spot. If you the one either side of the sweet spot the you get higher volumes hitting you in your left or right ear when running 7.x. I guess for that reason I can see the need to set the surrounds a little higher. I ran 7.1 for a few years with Bowers in-Walls all round. My only gripe was having the surrounds too low on the wall.
We are building a new place and in planning mode right now. Planning to run Klipsch in-walls/ceilings with 7.2.4 configuration with Denon AVR 4500 with 2 Velodyne 10” subs. The room is 4.8m x 3.7x with 2.4m ceilings so not the biggest room but decent rectangle.
I think I’ll run the surrounds and rears at around 24” above ear level but very open to other opinions and thoughts.
Thanks again for the great video. Subscribed..
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@@ROBERT-ml7ml haha, there was no giveaway, I was just messing around. He said he was first to the video, so I just told him he wins for being first. Hopefully soon I will be doing a giveaway on here ;P.
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How do you toe in front inwall speaker ?
That would be more difficult, but ultimately you would want to mount the "crooked". You could use some wood behind them to provide the angle. Unless they provide a great center image and soundstage as is, then no need for toe in.
@@SpecOfTech thanks for responding
Very good video...packed with good info.
Thank you.
Thanks buddy, I hope it helps you out...cheers!
First time seeing your channel! Happy I came across it
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Thank you , helpful video.
No problem, glad it helped 😉!
Do you toe-in your speakers b4 or after running calibration?
Before calibration. If you do it after it will mess with the calibration.
@@SpecOfTech ok thanks.
@@frankiealexis7614 no problem, thanks for watching.
Another great video! Very informative! Thanks for posting!
No problem, thanks for the support!
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lol I sure did, I fixed it now.
Great video, I gained a new understanding of the different settings on my new avr. I guess no since in playing movies on auro 3d setting if the speakers are placed for an atmos listening experience. I placed 2- 6" ceiling speakers directly above the couch. Sounds awesome. Thank you
No problem brother. I am glad you found it helpful. Did you set those speakers to height middle or height rear?
I have the Denon X4500H and it automatically sets them to height middle, because of the pre amp setting. Running the ceiling speakers off of the old yamaha 7.2 (main channels as a pre amp) and now I got 11.2 channels, and with the Atmos app on the xbox series x this thing rocks. Still trying to figure out the surround title... 7.2.4 maybe. Two powered 10"subs.
I cringe everytime he says "guys". This hobby has females as well.
Of course it does, but the word "guys" incorporates both sexes, let's not read into things ;)!
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