Why 2 Flying Laps is the Best Strategy - Qualifying Guide - F1 Manager 2023

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  • Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
  • In this video I will be going trough what I think is the most efficient way of doing qualifying.
    For how to handle tyres I'd say use one set for Q1 if you can get safely trough, if you can't use a fresh set for final runs.
    Same for Q2 as Q3.
    For Q3 we want to use a fresh set for the final run if we have enough sets left over to do the race, if this is 1 or 2 sets will depend on the track but it is usually beneficial to have 2 sets of fresh softs for the race.
    For raising confidence in particular during quali you can have a look at this earlier guide: • Easy Peak Confidence f...
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  • @ninetailedfox579121
    @ninetailedfox579121 Рік тому +58

    I think the main reason 2 laps works so well is that the AI doesn't start accelerating properly. They start accelerating a certain distance from the start/finish line instead of starting at the final corner, so they start the lap a lot slower. That is why your second lap sector 1 time is so much better.

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +9

      Honestly it probably is a combination of both of these elements, as for some tracks it can be as little as a tenth or two while the worst I've seen so far is 0,8s. I am still experimenting though and will probably make a more refined guide later, but as this was a massive gain in lap times for some tracks I decided to get the guide out early.

    • @dominicviner6619
      @dominicviner6619 5 місяців тому +1

      I don’t think that’s the case I can say for sure tracks that have a history of 1 lap qualifying like Qatar don’t offer a good 2 lap bases
      Also the chances of being blocked goes way up
      You can manually control them to get heat until he tyres faster and quicker in or out laps resulting in the option to run three 1 lappers in q3 and q2
      I always find time after the first run to try a 2 lapper
      Doesn’t always work
      I also recommend turning ers off mid lap and back on so that you have battery for the second
      That’s just me I play on the hardest difficulty

    • @gfujigo
      @gfujigo 4 місяці тому

      @@dominicviner6619How well would your strategy work for a team at the bottom of the championship?

    • @CloudwalkerDrones
      @CloudwalkerDrones 3 місяці тому

      @@dominicviner6619 plus in 1.10, u no longer get the "automatic" .6 sec increase on flier 2. Definitely this video is NOT THE WAY TO PLAY 1.10

  • @fsnramboyt8818
    @fsnramboyt8818 Рік тому +13

    I m in a position that i cant give much time to the game and find out these things on my own as i did on the last one, so watching your guides and following them is such a time saver , thanks for the guidance..👌👌

  • @NeroBax
    @NeroBax  Рік тому +28

    With Patch 1.6/1.7/1.8 Qualification has been fixed and as a result your best bet now will be to do a single run.
    In this guide we will going over qualifying strategy, for some tracks the AI struggles with tyre heating, and as a result the automatic qualifying for our drivers have the same issue, to combat this we can simply do 2 flying laps back to back with no cooldowns.
    Tracks where this has a effect on Sector 1 times (Will update this as I learn more, figured this out halfway into a season):
    Silverstone: 0.1s - 0.2s
    Zandvoort: 0.6s - 0.7s
    Monza: 0.4s-0.7s

    • @TANGYHATCHY
      @TANGYHATCHY Рік тому +1

      Canada forsure will benefit from this strat in sector 1

  • @mohamedmarzooki2964
    @mohamedmarzooki2964 Рік тому +32

    Underrated content

    • @hirschkuh1982
      @hirschkuh1982 Рік тому +1

      The word underrated is the most overrated in youtubes history

    • @magicAlonso1414
      @magicAlonso1414 Рік тому +2

      ​@@hirschkuh1982Underrated comment

  • @Takhar7
    @Takhar7 Рік тому +4

    My fav UA-camr for F1M. Keep it up mate

  • @mathieu___
    @mathieu___ Рік тому +1

    Thanks you ! I was wondering how to improve my qualifications, gonna try this in Monza!

  • @dylanwarren66
    @dylanwarren66 Рік тому +8

    I found just going aggressive on the outlap works best since its still less wear than 2 laps and less time too

  • @derweisheitszahn7689
    @derweisheitszahn7689 Місяць тому

    just found you, thanks man. Underrated!

  • @christhomas8549
    @christhomas8549 Рік тому +1

    Nice content mate. Subbed

  • @AshManTV92
    @AshManTV92 11 місяців тому

    very helpful thanks, it does look like it's something theyre looking into, but i will be using this till the patch at least!

  • @gfujigo
    @gfujigo 4 місяці тому

    Very good, thanks!

  • @fullmaster4860
    @fullmaster4860 Рік тому +8

    Thank u for this video! Game is harder than in 2022, and now I am going to find some methods for playing.
    I like that u take Ric to the Alpha Tauri in 1st season, I did it too cause De Vries killed all components of his car in the second race and killed his race twice

    • @ameyajoshi742
      @ameyajoshi742 4 дні тому

      I see a lot of Players Start their 1st Season with Alpha Tauri

  • @BrendanP
    @BrendanP Рік тому +1

    Very interesting!

  • @user-qw1qp5qg6r
    @user-qw1qp5qg6r 8 місяців тому

    very good

  • @Enduro_Kenta
    @Enduro_Kenta 11 місяців тому

    At zandvoort, there is a glitch that the cars slowing down during at short portion of the track on IA (auto).

  • @BN-bh6zs
    @BN-bh6zs Рік тому +7

    Nice content, I was using this method too. It does seem that the time gain is also partially due to the AI just starting their flying laps at a low speed, especially in tracks like Monza, Zandvoort and Barcelona. The AI doesn't seem to go fast enough through the last corner.

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +2

      Wouldn't surprise me if it's a combination of the two to be honest. Would agree on the AI probably not pushing properly in the last few corners on certain tracks.

    • @WuseligerPinguin_SF
      @WuseligerPinguin_SF Рік тому +5

      I have seen the AI going over the line to start a flying lap in Baku in 6th gear

    • @Jur1_00
      @Jur1_00 Рік тому

      I don't have the game and might not get it but I'm a bit confused. If you do 2 flying laps how do you charge the battery for the second lap?

    • @PayToWin02
      @PayToWin02 Рік тому

      @@Jur1_00not, its possible on some track you run out but its still faster

    • @Jur1_00
      @Jur1_00 Рік тому

      @@PayToWin02 I get it now, it takes about 2 laps in average to completely run out of battery in last year's game

  • @xkapii9790
    @xkapii9790 Рік тому +3

    You are such a 🐐 , btw are you swedish becuase that’s the accent im getting from your voice ? Keep up the good work 👊

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +3

      Norwegian actually but pretty close to be fair :)

    • @xkapii9790
      @xkapii9790 Рік тому

      @@NeroBax Yeah 😂

  • @RicardoSicks
    @RicardoSicks Рік тому +2

    Is there anyway to check ERS usage after a qually lap? IRL teams usually don't run back 2 back qually laps due to the battery, obviously you're making good second laps so you still have ERS, I'm just curious if the AI makes an adjustment to ERS usage when it knows you've set up a back 2 back lap, or if the AI doesn't care, or WTF is happening to the ERS?
    It's just weird things that run around in my head, especially for longer circuits like Spa. 😂😅😮🎉🎉
    Thanks for all your analysis bro! 🎉🎉🎉

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +5

      The ERS is set up with 4GJ of energy usually, maximum usage is set at 2GJ per lap meaning 2 push laps back to back is possible, haven't really experimented with a 1 fast 1 cool 1 fast so it might be worth doing.

  • @JohnBig.
    @JohnBig. Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the tips mate! What are the best driver stats to focus on in your opinion? De Vries keeps crashing every race, I'm about to punch my screen.

    • @coreydan457
      @coreydan457 Рік тому +1

      Control impacted crashing the most for me, at least in 22

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +1

      Haven't really tested it but I am planning to in the near future.

  • @tateyboi039
    @tateyboi039 5 місяців тому

    Won’t ers be drained on the second lap?

  • @mattymansion2722
    @mattymansion2722 Рік тому +1

    Is the cost cap easier to go other I'm at Williams in Miami and I only have 87 million left and I'm concerned about going other and getting fired

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +2

      I wouldn't worry to much, if you are worried about the cost cap it is fine to make normal parts rather than intense design ones and skip an iteration every now and again for manufacturing. The cost cap is more of an issue this game for sure, but you shouldn't have a need to worry, I'd say once you hit about 30-40 million left to start focus on research though.

  • @matt_gtuk1807
    @matt_gtuk1807 11 місяців тому

    Main reason I do 2 laps is in case Ai get in the way which unfortunately they still do although not as bad as last years game but they don’t slow down when you overtake so if you’re both coming to a corner they get in the way. They should slow down when on out lap and you’re on flying lap.

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  11 місяців тому

      That is basically how I found out about this, was doing two laps mainly to avoid traffic and have more reliability in quali runs.

  • @Kryptonlol
    @Kryptonlol Рік тому +1

    Im kinda stuck at the stage where i,am able to qualify close to the points but my drivers just have no race pace and drop down instantly

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +1

      When you start a race you need to go full attack, ERS deploy, full fuel push. The reason is that the AI will quite literally full send for the first 2-3 laps and if you don't do the same they will eat you up, this guide will allow you to qualify higher than you should, so it is not surprising to lose a few positions over the course of the race.

  • @riquelmeone
    @riquelmeone 6 місяців тому

    Is this still the way you do qualifying now? I am still catching up on your video as I just bought the game a couple of weeks ago.
    What works well for me is doing two one-lap stints on the same tyre. The second stint is nearly always faster.
    I do manual control the moment it is available and am usually able to have non-blue tyre temps by the start of the hot lap.
    I will try this two-lap stint on auto as a comparison.
    Edit: Another option would be to do a manual two-lap run burning off the extra fuel but saving tyres and ERS for the second lap.

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  6 місяців тому

      No, it was patched unfortunately. You can still use a strategy like this but it won't be any better than just doing the 1 flying lap.

    • @tateyboi039
      @tateyboi039 5 місяців тому

      @@NeroBaxI’ve always found that my times never improve in q3 even when I’m using a fresh tyre set 😭 😭

  • @Mikaque
    @Mikaque 4 місяці тому

    Why doesn't it work with me can you explain me plz

  • @JAGGIEZz11
    @JAGGIEZz11 Рік тому +7

    I have been doing this in my McLaren career and have noticed that at some tracks on the second flying lap they run out of ERS and do not improve.
    So I have been taking control for the first flying lap and using harvest to have full ERS for the second lap.
    Wondering if u could test this a little and give ur feedback? Keep up the good videos they are really helping.

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +4

      It would allow you to reliably keep tyre temps and make sure you had ERS for those tracks that really rely on it so it's not a bad idea, will probably try and experiment a little with it when I have the chance.

    • @MGenNJmw2powns
      @MGenNJmw2powns Рік тому +1

      I have also been doing this, just 1 flying lap, aggressive, push and full ers. Also in a Papaya career. Did one Ai lap and lost like 0,9s. Then was like nope, manual again

  • @lasarith2
    @lasarith2 Рік тому +3

    During free Patrice, I learn we’re the tyres get to optimal just as the driver crosses the line , then I use that for Qualifying, (Untick the additional fuel) use the Tyre command that will heat the tyres just right,( also keep the fuel and ers on conserve) ,and charge everything up when your a corner from the line, once across set everything to conserve otherwise you will run out of fuel , that works for me ,

    • @MaceyP1987
      @MaceyP1987 Рік тому +1

      This here is exactly what I do also. However this is a great guide for those who don't want to do Manual control i guess.

  • @bloody_sais
    @bloody_sais Місяць тому

    0:00 General Kenobi

  • @marck5356
    @marck5356 Рік тому

    how u get that position whit ricciardo and yuki? how u updrade the car?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому

      If you have a look at the Alpha Tauri speedrun it should give you all information on how we got here.

  • @fwf6823
    @fwf6823 Рік тому +1

    Question: are t you also gaining time from less fuel?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому +1

      With the time gained being up to half a second on some tracks I dont think an additional 2kg or so of fuel will have that much of an effect, if so you'd just underfuel every race.
      I'm not saying it's not a factor but it shouldn't have that much of an effect.

    • @lasarith2
      @lasarith2 Рік тому +1

      1KG of fuel is 0.03 second like real life , also after a few laps the games tyre wear just loses you time .

  • @ftres0879
    @ftres0879 10 місяців тому +2

    is this still effective after 1.8 patch?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  10 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately not, in 1.8 they fixed the issues so a single run is more effective.

  • @beatsbyjules.
    @beatsbyjules. Рік тому

    Does track rubber not matter that much?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому

      Doesn't seem to have that much of an effect.

  • @aneestahir1522
    @aneestahir1522 11 місяців тому

    Should I do this in Q1 and Q2 too or just in Q3

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  11 місяців тому

      You can do it for all 3 if you wish.

    • @aneestahir1522
      @aneestahir1522 11 місяців тому

      @@NeroBax thanks bro I love you videos you helped me with my alpha Tauri save so much thank you I’m literally copying it and bro I’m doing so good

  • @nandisamunagy9288
    @nandisamunagy9288 6 місяців тому

    Is this the same in pitch 10?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  6 місяців тому

      No they fixed it awhile ago.

  • @niconovaz141
    @niconovaz141 11 місяців тому

    Is this also the case for the 2022 Game?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  11 місяців тому +1

      No, in the 22 game the AI is extremely predicable and making sure you do a flying run as the final car will be your best bet for 22.

  • @Pangil12
    @Pangil12 Рік тому

    So you're telling me the game automatically manages the ERS so that there's enough ERS for the 2nd run?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  Рік тому

      No, but there is a limit to the ERS usage, 2GJ per lap. With a 4GJ battery that limit ensures that there should be enough for 2 runs on most tracks. There are some tracks where they will use a bit before starting your 1st run, and that could leave you without ERS for your final bit for that second run but generally it is more reliable and consistent.

    • @Pangil12
      @Pangil12 Рік тому

      @@NeroBax You have a point there. I never really looked at that. I will definitely give it a try

  • @HiBye-bg1yl
    @HiBye-bg1yl Рік тому

    I somehow found this by myself

  • @CloudwalkerDrones
    @CloudwalkerDrones 3 місяці тому +2

    in 1.10 this no longer works. Really wished I had picked the game up earlier as most of the aides/guides on YT no longer work and whatever (if any) abuses there were have been patched out long ago. As alpha tauri I just tried this on the 1st 3 races qualies. I got 0.000s improvements on the second flier.
    Newbies in 2024 are playing a totally harder game than was released in 2023

  • @Neyko98
    @Neyko98 Місяць тому

    P14&15 with McLaren with this strategy

  • @noelakos999
    @noelakos999 4 місяці тому

    Is this still work?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  4 місяці тому

      They fixed the bug so there is no need to do this now, it works as intended now.

  • @ameyajoshi742
    @ameyajoshi742 4 дні тому

    How many Qualifying Runs should you do? A single Run of 2 Flying Laps or a couple 2 Flying Lap Runs?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  3 дні тому +1

      If you can fit in a couple it would work yeah. You could also do a single lap to start and two fliers towards the end of qualifying

    • @ameyajoshi742
      @ameyajoshi742 2 дні тому

      @@NeroBax Thanks mate. A couple runs of 2 Flying Laps did the trick. By the way I Loved your Mercedes Guide Video. Got 3 back to back Podium finishes thanks to you. Have you made a part 2 for that Guide? At the end of that Video you said it’s safe to have all 4 Design slots for Research. Do I need to make any more Design Improvements for the Season?

    • @NeroBax
      @NeroBax  2 дні тому

      I have not made a part 2 no. The idea behind that one was to give those who followed it a good enough start that they should be able to keep the board happy and then research for a monster car in the second year if I remember correctly. Will probably make a 24 version of it too.

  • @COMBUSTIBLE69
    @COMBUSTIBLE69 Рік тому

    I just find this to be cheating. Because not only can you get pole in a slow performing car, but also it just makes sense to leave it on auto as your tyres aren't heated but also other teams tyres aren't heated either

  • @dambo8416
    @dambo8416 11 місяців тому

    This is basically cheating. Not for me.