Your timing is amazing. In the area this week with my Lightning from the Sunshine Coast. I like Flo but feel their tech is behind - especially in term of charging speeds (I have been using the Tesla chargers all summer). These stations look great and I am going to try these out later today!
@@LeftCoastEV OK - I just finished my rainy night charging session in a 2023 F-150 XLT Lightning (extended range). I have an OBD2 device - so got some good info. I pulled in at 45.5% SOC and charged to 80%. I’ll start with the 2 negatives first (Spoiler: everything else was great). Negative 1 - neither of the EZLIFT cables work. They were both stuck and would not extend. Flo really needs to change this design to a more standard system. They should make it simpler so this is not a failure point for the charger. Since the cables were both stuck they would not reach my charging port when parked properly. Fortunately it was a miserable night and I was the only one there so I parked parallel to A2 so the cable would reach the truck. Negative 2 - tapping my Flo card did not work! I am unsure if I was doing something wrong - but the process seemed straightforward (and I just used this card in Leduc earlier this morning). I had to start the charging session from the Flo app. I guess I could I have use tap-to-pay, but I have a balance on my FLO account that I want to use. I got the charging started with the FLO app and everything was fantastic from there. The charging session quickly ramped up to 158 kW (reported 156 kW in my OBD2 app). The truck was requesting 429 amps and the charger was giving 427 amps - that is pretty much perfect. I had just over 9 minutes of the trademark F-150 Lightning charge boost and then over the course of 2 minutes slowly ramped down to around 117 kW and ran at this rate all the way to 80%. For those unfamiliar this is the typical F-150 charging curve and it was a “perfect” session. It is exactly what I would expect from a Tesla Supercharger. At 80% the F-150 charging rate starts to dive. I stopped the charging session at that point. The session lasted 22 minutes and I added 49.6 kWh in 22 minutes at a total cost of $9.18. That works out to only $0.185 per kilowatt which is amazing. By far the cheapest fast charging I have ever done at the F150’s max speed. If I did this exact same session at the Windermere Tesla fast charger it would have cost almost 5 TIMES AS MUCH! Overall a great experience and nice to see the charging options starting to open up in the Edmonton area (It was a fast charging wasteland about 2 years ago).
Amazing, thank you for such a detailed review of your charging session. I’ve pinned your comment to the top so hopefully (and if ever) someone from Flo reads this they should look into the issues you described. The RFID card problem is a strange one, not sure why you weren’t able to use it. As for the cable, I did find it hard to unravel when I was there too but I got it moving after a while. Again, thank you for all the details, I will need to take a faster charging car there myself (maybe an 800v) and see how my charging session will be (and I will film it of course).
@@LeftCoastEV No problem! I really enjoy your content - it is always interesting, informative and presented very well. The China trip was amazing!! Please don’t stop. As for FLO I am going to work on a more detailed email directly to them (I will phone them tomorrow to get an email address that will get somewhere!). You are correct in your assessment - they have a big opportunity to really make a difference in the marketplace. They are so very close with this new unit, with some minor improvements I think they could be a Tesla competitor. And this is saying a lot. I’ve made 3 trips from the West Coast to AB/SK this summer in the Lightning and Tesla Superchargers made these trips a breeze (and making impossible routes possible). My suggestions to FLO will include “failsafe” EZLIFT cables. That is, if the mechanism fails it should release the cable. Sure, it will be on the ground, but it will be usable until fixed. They should also think about 360 kWh units at a minimum - get ahead of the EV charging curve - not behind it. (But hey, for me, 160 kWh is perfect). Another nice to have would be better CCS plugs. I thought all CCS DCFC plugs where the same until I used Shell Recharge. Shell has issues, but I think their CCS plug (with the nice handle) is great. Finally, if FLO could implement plug-and-charge tech with Ford that would be so wonderful. It is amazing to simply plug in at a Tesla charger and walk away. On a completely different note, when I rolled into town yesterday, I charged at Electrify Canada at the Canadian Tire in Windermere and EC ripped me off! When I plugged in the truck I got a charge rate of 227 kWh - which is impossible for an F150 (I took a picture of this with my phone because I could not believe it). I checked my OBD2 app - I was getting only about 130 kWh. However, they based their charge delivery calculation on this number and said I used 79 kWh (when in fact I received less than 50 kWh). Won’t be using EC again - and really no need with Tesla and these wonderful new FLO chargers.
We’re thrilled that you’re enjoying the FLO Ultra charging experience! We understand that you encountered a couple of issues. The station at Sherwood Ford is only the second FLO Ultra station installed for public use and is still in its “training” phase. We’re aware of the issues you experienced, and we’ll be updating the software in the coming weeks. In the meantime, please continue to share your feedback as we work to optimize the experience. Thank you very much for supporting FLO!
What do you think of the brand new Flo Ultra EV fast charger? I think that Flo is onto something and if this system proves to be reliable it will give EV drivers a true charging alternative.
6C charges that charge as fast as gas exist. And batteries that support 6C charging also exist. In China. We are just forbidden by both conservative and liberal politicians from buying the technology.
It's great to see and I'm thinking it can withstand the weather elements especially the cold. It would have been nice to see the specs for the rectifier cabinet. I know some of the naysayers still don't believe in the EV revolution but it's already here and I'm glad to see folks like you are excited about it. We have 2 EVs in our family and never going back to gas vehicles.
I plan to do a charging test in a future video and provide more details and specs on this charger. I also want to do a winter test when our temps hit -40 Celsius to see how well it works. I already used the old Flo chargers at extreme temperatures that we get here in Edmonton without issue. I’m very excited about the future of EVs and like you will never go back to driving an ICE car ever again. Thanks for watching!
I charged at this charger. Each side is capped at 160 kW. It's a nice upgrade for Flo. Nice screen, shows the power requested by the car and nicely laid out. High voltage output to support 800v cars. This would be a nice upgrade for Petro-Can too.
I think Petro-Can has given up on their EV charging strategy. Which is a shame. Imagine they did use these new Flo chargers and replaced all their current ones, it would make cross country trips in Canada more enjoyable.
They are rolling out 480 kW chargers in China to support 6C capable EVs coming out next year. Unfortunately we have no access to this tech. it's not even for partisan reasons. Both conservatives and liberals are to blame. Most conservatives are either in denial on global warming or downplay it. And Trudeau seems to be following in the footsteps of US trade war with China. He wants to slap a 100 percent tarrif on Chinese EVs.
Wow this would be great. We just finished our first EV road trip last month. Drove through southern, BC back thru Revelstoke and the Okanagan, it was a good experience for us. Electrify Canada worked well their plug and charge was flawless. We found the BC Hydro and Flo charges worked well. Looking forward to more road trips. Yay.
BC Hydro and Flo are always the most reliable options and now that they are moving towards higher powered chargers (150 kW or more) it will make road tripping in an EV even better. Glad you enjoyed your first road trip!
Flo chargers to me seem the second most reliable chargers outside of Tesla superchargers. I believe it's a Canadian company out of Quebec. ABB, Trinity and most other brands seem to suck for reliability at least when used in the US. However the reliable FLO chargers were also on 50kW.
Totally agree with you. Yes they are a Canadian company based out of Quebec and they make very reliable chargers. This is why I am so excited about Flo Ultra and if they can bring the same reliability with faster charging speed it will be a great option for all of us.
The capability is there but I guess the owner of the charger (in this case Sherwood Ford) decided to split the power permanently. Let’s hope that future installations will allow for full power when charging one vehicle.
Send an email and see what they say. If we don’t ask for better charging options it will never happen. These new Flo chargers will solve the charging issues you have in Ontario.
@@LeftCoastEV I have emailed, they always go unanswered. But I guess it’s all we can do. If the federal government was actually serious about meeting the 2030 deadline, they should put in mandatory regulations for increased charging infrastructure across the country.
Exactly. The design makes it versatile. If you go on the Flo website you can see their official video on the Ultra and it shows the pull through concept. This is why I also think they designed the cable mechanism in a certain way so that you can plug in no matter the orientation or where your charge port is located.
@@LeftCoastEVthe one feature I want is a attendant. Either living or robotic so it can attach the cord for me. I often use different walking or standing aids. Usually no problems, but on longer multi charge journeys I’m much more tired, getting up is more difficult and switching to a wheelchair is impossible.
There are companies working on wireless EV charging so in the future you might not need to get out of your car at all. Or, if we are lucky in North America, Nio will start selling their cars here and setting up their battery swapping stations like they do in Europe and China.
Nice machine. We need those in BC. In BC they charge by the amount of Kw not by time . They need to install the chargers at gas stations like when you charged your "Bingo" Back to work after your trip. Thx
In Alberta it’s still a mixed bag of kWh and time based billing for EV charging. Agree, these chargers would be wonderful at gas stations due to the power and versatility (they can be set up as pull in and pull through for people towing trailers).
Over here in Québec we have FLO but the main charging group is Circuit Électrique who have just completed their 1000th charging unit, all of them made by the FLO company.😅 So, we should be seeing them soon. 😮
Interesting artifact is that your pending cost before stopping was $5 and change, but jumped when you stopped. I notice the price during the charge said (13 minutes ago), so the charger isn’t keeping good track of the running cost during a charge! 😅
Looks good but touch screens are probably going to be an issue in the cold. What is needed is robust chargers with redundant systems where you should have a backup of everything such as web or app access if the screen and payment reader don't work on the charger themselves. If they have that then it's going to be better.
We have too many 0 kW chargers in the US that are supposed to be 350 kW but they either don’t work or the cord doesn’t reach. Reliable and useable 160 kW chargers are better.
Reliability is the most importantly factor for sure. Like you said I would rather have a slower more reliable charger. For me Flo has always been reliable.
This is what the Chinese battery manufacturers are working on. Solid state, fast charging and able to handle more cycles. For me the most important would be improving battery management as well and making sure we can sustain faster speeds for longer but also not harm the battery as much. We will see if the new battery tech coming out of China will improve things.
Level 3 DC fast chargers are really only for road trips. Using them every day isn’t the best for the batteries because they cause the battery to heat up. I charge at home 99% of the time using my level 2 240v AC or my level 1 120v wall outlet while I sleep and while electricity is cheaper.
Could they put it any farther from any amenities?, no garbage? No windshield cleaning, no toilet. Not a safe night spot. I wish they would think like a gas station! Traveler’s need more than just a place to charge up, they have the time to spend and maybe some money too. Dumb if the charging facilities don’t get way better.
This is a charger owned by the dealership (Sherwood Ford) and not Flo. If you have enough cash you can buy your own charger and install it somewhere and charge to use it. This means that they got it for their own use at the dealership and is also open to public if someone needs a charge. It’s not meant to be a charging hub or anything like that. If you want to see a charging hub, wait till this coming Sunday for a new video.
Wow that looks expensive. That or a dozen Tesla style 150 kW chargers? I think it's faster to swap out the entire charge stand have it repaired in a shop with the rest rather than in the field diagnostics.
You mean the cost to charge or the unit price itself? As for repairability since these units are so new we will need to take some time to see how reliable they will be. Flo does have a good track record when it comes to making their chargers reliable, more so than other manufacturers.
total rip off,,, the standard now is 350 kw,,, charging by time is a total scam ,, saw one online in ontario that charges 5 bucks just to plug in ,,, well thats a crime i would think
The charger is rated for 320kW but the site owner decided to permanently split power and provide 160kW. And, again, the site owner decided to charge people $25 per hour. Flo only provides the chargers and software, everything else is decided by the company that buys the charger which in this case is Sherwood Ford.
Sorry I don't really get your enthusiasm - a working fast charger (not super fast but decent), that's good I guess but nothing special. Only 2 spots, not 20. It will be reliable and easy to service you say, great, but not proven yet so seems a little early to celebrate that. Sorry if I sound negative, but I really don't get the big deal 🙂
To each their own but I get excited when I see companies trying to improve and make our charging experience better. Plus Flo has a very good reputation and their chargers have been very reliable. It’s a new product and there will be bigger installations in the future with multiple chargers. Thanks for watching!
This is new for Canadians but we are years behind in EV tech and infrastructure. In China they are currently installing 6C charging stations in anticipation of their upcoming 6C capable EVs. Those new charging stations will end the longstanding range anxiety issues with 20-80 percent change times in less than 10 minutes (i.e. comparable to gas fillup times). And there are a ton of EV models in China that sell for less than the price of ICE. In other words, ICE is going to go the way of the dodo over the next few years globally Unfortunately we can't currently buy Chinese EVs because Conservatives are largely in denial on global warming and Trudeau seems to be following Trump and now Biden's trade war with China.
I was in China last month and was able to see their EV adoption first hand. We are light years behind what they are doing, not only in charging infrastructure but vehicles as well. If you want to see a small glimpse go watch my Wuling Bingo video from last week. The issue with North America is that the government still wants to protect our legacy automotive industry at all costs. But they are not innovating and not providing consumers the EVs we want. I was excited about the new Chevy Equinox EV and then watched the State of Charge videos that have put me off considering buying one. The charging times are just not up to par when it comes to a 2024 EV.
@@LeftCoastEV Yup. China is way ahead. They are currently installing 6C charging stations that once the accomplying 6C capable EVs go up for sale (probably next year) will finally end the longstanding range anxiety issue. It will take awhile for 6C charging stations to come to most of the rest of the world but it will happen. Despite all the naysayers ridiculously claiming EVs are doomed, China is the process of phasing out ICE precisely because EVs are now usually cheaper than ICE over there. And their EV and battery manufacturers are rapidly expanding into other countries. Biden and Trump tariffs can only go so far at preventing China's rise to global car dominance. If American car companies want to sell a car outside of America they will have no choice but to eventually move from ICE to EVs.
Most consumers are not buying EVs because of fear when the car goes beyond warranty. If it breaks after warranty it will not get service and you can't sell it. Software updates and monthly memberships to maintain premium features are another problem with EVs. Not to mention, if you live in an apartment the cost of charging is more expensive then gas, and it takes an hour to charge your EV to full.
That's almost 50 cents per kwh; that's almost gasoline prices. That's literally 10 times more than I pay when I charge at home at super off peak pricing. If they are going to charge that kind of money then why not just buy a much cheaper and more convenient gas car?
No one will stay at the charger for an hour. Most new EVs charge way faster and will need only a few minutes on one of these high powered chargers. Check the pinned comment and read about a guy charging his F150 Lightning on this charger and he paid very little. Also, most people charge their EVs at home and only use high powered chargers like this on road trips. So sorry to tell you that driving an EV is still way cheaper than even the cheapest ICE car.
@@LeftCoastEV My gasoline bill was over $200 a month and it dropped to around $20-$25 a month in electricity because I charge at home and NEVER at DC fast chargers. So yes overall electric cars are cheaper but only if you're careful in how you use your money with them. My point is using DC fast chargers is totally counter productive, given the prices they charge those things are just massive ripoffs.
But during a road trip when I need to get from point A to B as fast as possible, DC fast charging saves the day and I don’t mind paying for speed and convenience.
That’s condensation not leakage. It was a cold morning and as the cable was heating up there was a bit of water that leaked out from within the cable connector.
Your timing is amazing. In the area this week with my Lightning from the Sunshine Coast. I like Flo but feel their tech is behind - especially in term of charging speeds (I have been using the Tesla chargers all summer). These stations look great and I am going to try these out later today!
Awesome! You will really enjoy using this new Flo charger. Let me know how your session goes and what sort of speeds you will get.
@@LeftCoastEV OK - I just finished my rainy night charging session in a 2023 F-150 XLT Lightning (extended range). I have an OBD2 device - so got some good info. I pulled in at 45.5% SOC and charged to 80%.
I’ll start with the 2 negatives first (Spoiler: everything else was great).
Negative 1 - neither of the EZLIFT cables work. They were both stuck and would not extend. Flo really needs to change this design to a more standard system. They should make it simpler so this is not a failure point for the charger. Since the cables were both stuck they would not reach my charging port when parked properly. Fortunately it was a miserable night and I was the only one there so I parked parallel to A2 so the cable would reach the truck.
Negative 2 - tapping my Flo card did not work! I am unsure if I was doing something wrong - but the process seemed straightforward (and I just used this card in Leduc earlier this morning). I had to start the charging session from the Flo app. I guess I could I have use tap-to-pay, but I have a balance on my FLO account that I want to use.
I got the charging started with the FLO app and everything was fantastic from there. The charging session quickly ramped up to 158 kW (reported 156 kW in my OBD2 app). The truck was requesting 429 amps and the charger was giving 427 amps - that is pretty much perfect. I had just over 9 minutes of the trademark F-150 Lightning charge boost and then over the course of 2 minutes slowly ramped down to around 117 kW and ran at this rate all the way to 80%. For those unfamiliar this is the typical F-150 charging curve and it was a “perfect” session. It is exactly what I would expect from a Tesla Supercharger.
At 80% the F-150 charging rate starts to dive. I stopped the charging session at that point. The session lasted 22 minutes and I added 49.6 kWh in 22 minutes at a total cost of $9.18. That works out to only $0.185 per kilowatt which is amazing. By far the cheapest fast charging I have ever done at the F150’s max speed. If I did this exact same session at the Windermere Tesla fast charger it would have cost almost 5 TIMES AS MUCH!
Overall a great experience and nice to see the charging options starting to open up in the Edmonton area (It was a fast charging wasteland about 2 years ago).
Amazing, thank you for such a detailed review of your charging session. I’ve pinned your comment to the top so hopefully (and if ever) someone from Flo reads this they should look into the issues you described. The RFID card problem is a strange one, not sure why you weren’t able to use it. As for the cable, I did find it hard to unravel when I was there too but I got it moving after a while. Again, thank you for all the details, I will need to take a faster charging car there myself (maybe an 800v) and see how my charging session will be (and I will film it of course).
@@LeftCoastEV No problem! I really enjoy your content - it is always interesting, informative and presented very well. The China trip was amazing!! Please don’t stop.
As for FLO I am going to work on a more detailed email directly to them (I will phone them tomorrow to get an email address that will get somewhere!). You are correct in your assessment - they have a big opportunity to really make a difference in the marketplace. They are so very close with this new unit, with some minor improvements I think they could be a Tesla competitor. And this is saying a lot. I’ve made 3 trips from the West Coast to AB/SK this summer in the Lightning and Tesla Superchargers made these trips a breeze (and making impossible routes possible).
My suggestions to FLO will include “failsafe” EZLIFT cables. That is, if the mechanism fails it should release the cable. Sure, it will be on the ground, but it will be usable until fixed. They should also think about 360 kWh units at a minimum - get ahead of the EV charging curve - not behind it. (But hey, for me, 160 kWh is perfect). Another nice to have would be better CCS plugs. I thought all CCS DCFC plugs where the same until I used Shell Recharge. Shell has issues, but I think their CCS plug (with the nice handle) is great. Finally, if FLO could implement plug-and-charge tech with Ford that would be so wonderful. It is amazing to simply plug in at a Tesla charger and walk away.
On a completely different note, when I rolled into town yesterday, I charged at Electrify Canada at the Canadian Tire in Windermere and EC ripped me off! When I plugged in the truck I got a charge rate of 227 kWh - which is impossible for an F150 (I took a picture of this with my phone because I could not believe it). I checked my OBD2 app - I was getting only about 130 kWh. However, they based their charge delivery calculation on this number and said I used 79 kWh (when in fact I received less than 50 kWh). Won’t be using EC again - and really no need with Tesla and these wonderful new FLO chargers.
We’re thrilled that you’re enjoying the FLO Ultra charging experience! We understand that you encountered a couple of issues. The station at Sherwood Ford is only the second FLO Ultra station installed for public use and is still in its “training” phase. We’re aware of the issues you experienced, and we’ll be updating the software in the coming weeks. In the meantime, please continue to share your feedback as we work to optimize the experience. Thank you very much for supporting FLO!
What do you think of the brand new Flo Ultra EV fast charger? I think that Flo is onto something and if this system proves to be reliable it will give EV drivers a true charging alternative.
We need innovation like this to make charging more reliable and as easy as filling up an ICE car. Good job Flo! New charger looks amazing!
We really do and thankfully companies like Flo are putting money into R&D and thus making better and better products.
6C charges that charge as fast as gas exist. And batteries that support 6C charging also exist. In China. We are just forbidden by both conservative and liberal politicians from buying the technology.
Looks Amazing. I really like using Flo chargers so let’s hope there will be more of these installed soon!
Fingers crossed it happens!
I live in the Park.. Will stop by to check it out..
Happy Sherwood Ford did this.
If you do try it let me know how your session went.
It's great to see and I'm thinking it can withstand the weather elements especially the cold. It would have been nice to see the specs for the rectifier cabinet. I know some of the naysayers still don't believe in the EV revolution but it's already here and I'm glad to see folks like you are excited about it. We have 2 EVs in our family and never going back to gas vehicles.
I plan to do a charging test in a future video and provide more details and specs on this charger. I also want to do a winter test when our temps hit -40 Celsius to see how well it works. I already used the old Flo chargers at extreme temperatures that we get here in Edmonton without issue. I’m very excited about the future of EVs and like you will never go back to driving an ICE car ever again. Thanks for watching!
I charged at this charger. Each side is capped at 160 kW.
It's a nice upgrade for Flo. Nice screen, shows the power requested by the car and nicely laid out. High voltage output to support 800v cars.
This would be a nice upgrade for Petro-Can too.
I think Petro-Can has given up on their EV charging strategy. Which is a shame. Imagine they did use these new Flo chargers and replaced all their current ones, it would make cross country trips in Canada more enjoyable.
Anything would be an upgrade for PetroCanada. Here's hoping Flo increases their footprint across the country.
They are rolling out 480 kW chargers in China to support 6C capable EVs coming out next year. Unfortunately we have no access to this tech. it's not even for partisan reasons. Both conservatives and liberals are to blame. Most conservatives are either in denial on global warming or downplay it. And Trudeau seems to be following in the footsteps of US trade war with China. He wants to slap a 100 percent tarrif on Chinese EVs.
1000V actually
@@michaelcottenden3216 those BTC units Petro used are hot garbage. Co-op is replacing them with the older Flo units, slow but at least they work.
Wow this would be great. We just finished our first EV road trip last month. Drove through southern, BC back thru Revelstoke and the Okanagan, it was a good experience for us. Electrify Canada worked well their plug and charge was flawless. We found the BC Hydro and Flo charges worked well. Looking forward to more road trips. Yay.
BC Hydro and Flo are always the most reliable options and now that they are moving towards higher powered chargers (150 kW or more) it will make road tripping in an EV even better. Glad you enjoyed your first road trip!
Awesome video on FLO, subscribed from Vancouver
Appreciate the kind works and thanks for watching!
Flo chargers to me seem the second most reliable chargers outside of Tesla superchargers. I believe it's a Canadian company out of Quebec. ABB, Trinity and most other brands seem to suck for reliability at least when used in the US. However the reliable FLO chargers were also on 50kW.
Totally agree with you. Yes they are a Canadian company based out of Quebec and they make very reliable chargers. This is why I am so excited about Flo Ultra and if they can bring the same reliability with faster charging speed it will be a great option for all of us.
@@LeftCoastEV Wish they were setup for 320kW when only one EV is charging.
The capability is there but I guess the owner of the charger (in this case Sherwood Ford) decided to split the power permanently. Let’s hope that future installations will allow for full power when charging one vehicle.
@@LeftCoastEVAdd Enerigie builds their equipment Canadian conditions and Electrical Grid IIrC
My Bolt says: "54kw is so fast!" :)
Haha thanks for the laugh! 😂
What I wouldn’t give to have all our Flo/Circuit Electrique chargers replaced with these here in Ottawa.
Send an email and see what they say. If we don’t ask for better charging options it will never happen. These new Flo chargers will solve the charging issues you have in Ontario.
@@LeftCoastEV I have emailed, they always go unanswered. But I guess it’s all we can do. If the federal government was actually serious about meeting the 2030 deadline, they should put in mandatory regulations for increased charging infrastructure across the country.
Same in Nova Scotia, where nearly all of our charging network is 50 kW Flo chargers.
Great video! Subscribed from Montreal
I’ve been a subscriber of yours for a while! You make some cool EV content. Thanks for the subscription!
@@LeftCoastEV thanks!
Thanks Flo! Bring these to the Trans Canada highway!
It would truly make electric car cross country trips easy!
Fantastic video. Hello from Calgary.
Thank you and appreciate the kind words!
Design looks like it can be configured for pull through and if you have two units put them back to back. Maybe on a island similar to gas pumps?
Exactly. The design makes it versatile. If you go on the Flo website you can see their official video on the Ultra and it shows the pull through concept. This is why I also think they designed the cable mechanism in a certain way so that you can plug in no matter the orientation or where your charge port is located.
@@LeftCoastEVthe one feature I want is a attendant. Either living or robotic so it can attach the cord for me. I often use different walking or standing aids. Usually no problems, but on longer multi charge journeys I’m much more tired, getting up is more difficult and switching to a wheelchair is impossible.
There are companies working on wireless EV charging so in the future you might not need to get out of your car at all. Or, if we are lucky in North America, Nio will start selling their cars here and setting up their battery swapping stations like they do in Europe and China.
Nice machine. We need those in BC.
In BC they charge by the amount of Kw not by time .
They need to install the chargers at gas stations like when you charged your "Bingo"
Back to work after your trip. Thx
In Alberta it’s still a mixed bag of kWh and time based billing for EV charging. Agree, these chargers would be wonderful at gas stations due to the power and versatility (they can be set up as pull in and pull through for people towing trailers).
Over here in Québec we have FLO but the main charging group is Circuit Électrique who have just completed their 1000th charging unit, all of them made by the FLO company.😅 So, we should be seeing them soon. 😮
I hope these chargers make it to Quebec soon! When they do I will need to do a Quebec road trip and check them out in action.
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Awesome!!! I’m happy for you👍👋
Thank you!
Interesting artifact is that your pending cost before stopping was $5 and change, but jumped when you stopped. I notice the price during the charge said (13 minutes ago), so the charger isn’t keeping good track of the running cost during a charge! 😅
You are right. The app does a much better job at keeping track of the pricing and works even if you use RFID to start charging.
10/10, would plug that
Haha thanks for the info.
3rd charger I believe.
They have one at their HQ on Quebec city, and one opened in pickering Ontario a couple of months ago
Thanks for the info! Hope more will roll out soon.
Looks good but touch screens are probably going to be an issue in the cold.
What is needed is robust chargers with redundant systems where you should have a backup of everything such as web or app access if the screen and payment reader don't work on the charger themselves. If they have that then it's going to be better.
I plan on testing this once winter hits and temps drop. You can always use the Flo app to start charging so redundancy is already in place.
Very nice! 👍
Thanks for watching!
We have too many 0 kW chargers in the US that are supposed to be 350 kW but they either don’t work or the cord doesn’t reach. Reliable and useable 160 kW chargers are better.
Reliability is the most importantly factor for sure. Like you said I would rather have a slower more reliable charger. For me Flo has always been reliable.
4:21 was the charging cable leaking coolant liquid?😅
Nope just condensation. It’s pretty cold at night already in Northern Alberta so when the cable heats up you see condensation like this.
Fast charging batteries, good idea or no?
This is what the Chinese battery manufacturers are working on. Solid state, fast charging and able to handle more cycles. For me the most important would be improving battery management as well and making sure we can sustain faster speeds for longer but also not harm the battery as much. We will see if the new battery tech coming out of China will improve things.
Level 3 DC fast chargers are really only for road trips. Using them every day isn’t the best for the batteries because they cause the battery to heat up. I charge at home 99% of the time using my level 2 240v AC or my level 1 120v wall outlet while I sleep and while electricity is cheaper.
Home charging is always the best option. I love having a “gas station” in my garage.
Could they put it any farther from any amenities?, no garbage? No windshield cleaning, no toilet. Not a safe night spot. I wish they would think like a gas station! Traveler’s need more than just a place to charge up, they have the time to spend and maybe some money too. Dumb if the charging facilities don’t get way better.
This is a charger owned by the dealership (Sherwood Ford) and not Flo. If you have enough cash you can buy your own charger and install it somewhere and charge to use it. This means that they got it for their own use at the dealership and is also open to public if someone needs a charge. It’s not meant to be a charging hub or anything like that. If you want to see a charging hub, wait till this coming Sunday for a new video.
Wow that looks expensive. That or a dozen Tesla style 150 kW chargers? I think it's faster to swap out the entire charge stand have it repaired in a shop with the rest rather than in the field diagnostics.
You mean the cost to charge or the unit price itself? As for repairability since these units are so new we will need to take some time to see how reliable they will be. Flo does have a good track record when it comes to making their chargers reliable, more so than other manufacturers.
total rip off,,, the standard now is 350 kw,,, charging by time is a total scam ,, saw one online in ontario that charges 5 bucks just to plug in ,,, well thats a crime i would think
The charger is rated for 320kW but the site owner decided to permanently split power and provide 160kW. And, again, the site owner decided to charge people $25 per hour. Flo only provides the chargers and software, everything else is decided by the company that buys the charger which in this case is Sherwood Ford.
@@LeftCoastEV dont matter who makes the deal,,, its still a crap deal for ev owners
And where is all the grid power coming from to feed these chargers?
Sorry I don't really get your enthusiasm - a working fast charger (not super fast but decent), that's good I guess but nothing special. Only 2 spots, not 20. It will be reliable and easy to service you say, great, but not proven yet so seems a little early to celebrate that. Sorry if I sound negative, but I really don't get the big deal 🙂
To each their own but I get excited when I see companies trying to improve and make our charging experience better. Plus Flo has a very good reputation and their chargers have been very reliable. It’s a new product and there will be bigger installations in the future with multiple chargers. Thanks for watching!
This is new for Canadians but we are years behind in EV tech and infrastructure. In China they are currently installing 6C charging stations in anticipation of their upcoming 6C capable EVs. Those new charging stations will end the longstanding range anxiety issues with 20-80 percent change times in less than 10 minutes (i.e. comparable to gas fillup times). And there are a ton of EV models in China that sell for less than the price of ICE. In other words, ICE is going to go the way of the dodo over the next few years globally Unfortunately we can't currently buy Chinese EVs because Conservatives are largely in denial on global warming and Trudeau seems to be following Trump and now Biden's trade war with China.
I was in China last month and was able to see their EV adoption first hand. We are light years behind what they are doing, not only in charging infrastructure but vehicles as well. If you want to see a small glimpse go watch my Wuling Bingo video from last week. The issue with North America is that the government still wants to protect our legacy automotive industry at all costs. But they are not innovating and not providing consumers the EVs we want. I was excited about the new Chevy Equinox EV and then watched the State of Charge videos that have put me off considering buying one. The charging times are just not up to par when it comes to a 2024 EV.
@@LeftCoastEV Yup. China is way ahead. They are currently installing 6C charging stations that once the accomplying 6C capable EVs go up for sale (probably next year) will finally end the longstanding range anxiety issue. It will take awhile for 6C charging stations to come to most of the rest of the world but it will happen.
Despite all the naysayers ridiculously claiming EVs are doomed, China is the process of phasing out ICE precisely because EVs are now usually cheaper than ICE over there. And their EV and battery manufacturers are rapidly expanding into other countries. Biden and Trump tariffs can only go so far at preventing China's rise to global car dominance. If American car companies want to sell a car outside of America they will have no choice but to eventually move from ICE to EVs.
Most consumers are not buying EVs because of fear when the car goes beyond warranty. If it breaks after warranty it will not get service and you can't sell it. Software updates and monthly memberships to maintain premium features are another problem with EVs. Not to mention, if you live in an apartment the cost of charging is more expensive then gas, and it takes an hour to charge your EV to full.
That's almost 50 cents per kwh; that's almost gasoline prices. That's literally 10 times more than I pay when I charge at home at super off peak pricing. If they are going to charge that kind of money then why not just buy a much cheaper and more convenient gas car?
No one will stay at the charger for an hour. Most new EVs charge way faster and will need only a few minutes on one of these high powered chargers. Check the pinned comment and read about a guy charging his F150 Lightning on this charger and he paid very little. Also, most people charge their EVs at home and only use high powered chargers like this on road trips. So sorry to tell you that driving an EV is still way cheaper than even the cheapest ICE car.
@@LeftCoastEV My gasoline bill was over $200 a month and it dropped to around $20-$25 a month in electricity because I charge at home and NEVER at DC fast chargers. So yes overall electric cars are cheaper but only if you're careful in how you use your money with them. My point is using DC fast chargers is totally counter productive, given the prices they charge those things are just massive ripoffs.
But during a road trip when I need to get from point A to B as fast as possible, DC fast charging saves the day and I don’t mind paying for speed and convenience.
It looks like the liquid cooled cables are leaking? 4:30 drip drip from the left one in use.
That’s condensation not leakage. It was a cold morning and as the cable was heating up there was a bit of water that leaked out from within the cable connector.