I don't know. The first 2 seasons were great, and this one started off fine until after episode 5. The writers just can't give any wins to Ed. Could of landed on the Moon, but didn't (yes I know Apollo 10 wasn't supposed to), Loses his wife, Could of landed on Mars, but didn't, daughter hates him, and now drilled for water, but that the writers took that away from him also. They just can't give one win to the veteran white guy, has to be the NASA diversity crew wins each and every time this season. Now, that I finished my rant I will say that it's still a good show, but I'm seeing cracks forming this season.
Theory and my guess on how episodes 8-10 will go, inspired from what people have been saying on the FAM subreddit. It's long The drill is destroyed. Everyone at Helios base at the time of the disaster dies besides Ed, Danny, a few survivors (including Alexei for plot purposes) and the other guy who made it to hab 2. The MSAM is damaged beyond repair. Ed says something to Danny before passing out and Danny realises the severity of the situation, using whatever basic medical expertise he has from astronaut training to prevent further blood loss and keeps Ed alive for as long as possible. The NASA crew is devastated but cannot help because of a dust storm caused by the event. The reservoir of subsurface liquid water is inaccessible. The North Korean probe enters Mars orbit, and detects another site with water-ice near or within Valles Marineris. This data is shared with NASA, Roscosmos and Helios. NASA crew uses their mining equipment to mine and convert the water-ice to clean, drinkable water for the crew and whatever greenhouse they happen to have. A few days later, Aleida is at home “having a break”. Having heard the news, she drafts an idea to get the crew and supplies from Phoenix down to the surface. She does the calculations and experiments needed for such a plan and it would work. She goes to work and proposes the idea to Margo. Margo disapproves, but she tells her engineering team at NASA to find a way to fix the nuclear engines using what’s left on Mars. Back on Mars, all three crews receive instructions on how to recover supplies and crew from Phoenix. They get to work to refuel Sojourner 1, make fixes to the nuclear engines that should get them running (barely). Either Ed, Dani or Danny will fly Sojourner One to Phoenix. Danny volunteers and has to be a hero again. Sojourner One lights it’s still functional VTOL engines and ascends as far as possible. Once halfway in Martian orbit and on track to rendezvous with Phoenix, the VTOL engines (which may just be conventional hydrogen-oxygen engines, that’s what i think they are) shuts down with just enough fuel to land again. He attempts to start the nuclear engines, fails. Attempts again, fails. Attempts the 3rd time, it ignites. However, Sojourner 1 falls just short of Mars orbit because the repaired engine bell could not handle the heat and is permanently and irreparably damaged. Danny, still on track to intercept with Phoenix, asks Phoenix crew to match velocity with the remaining fuel. This manoeuvre puts both spacecraft on a collision course with Martian surface but gives both spacecraft 30mins to transfer as much cargo and crew as possible. They transfer all the crew and as much supplies as possible to Sojourner. Sojourner’s trajectory makes them overshoot both Helios and NASA bases but Danny performs a nosedive, taking them a few hundred metres away from NASA base, making all the crew but him pass out and some of the instruments on Sojourner fail from over-g. Danny crash lands on Mars but him, the crew and some of the cargo survive. (implied in the title of Episode 10), someone might have a child on Mars, most likely Kelly and Alexei. Political trouble on Earth (caused by both Larry’s scandal and Margo’s disclosure of confidential information to the KGB) causes budget cuts at NASA (Helios no longer has any contracts from the gov so they don’t have money) and Roscosmos gets budget cuts due to the failure of Mars 94. What’s left of three crews have to live on Mars and the season ends bittersweetly with part of the crew dead and the remainder having to survive on mars (with cargo shipments from NASA and Roscosmos every 2 years). Post credit scene or ending of episode 10: In the 21st century (2004 because I like Green Day and it is a Mars transfer window), NASA and Roscosmos prepare to launch a joint mission to recover the cosmonauts and astronauts on mars. Everything looks great and the rocket carrying the rescue team/spacecraft lifts off but they transition to the same launch on a television. (2000s metal music cuts here) The television (possibly a 8K OLED in 2004 due to the advanced technology progression) cuts to a breaking news feed, saying that terrorists (maybe the same group involved in 9/11 attacks) have just bombed Jamestown and Zvezda. Cutting back to JSC mission control, the mission controllers have just seen the news and they are trying to focus on the rocket launch instead of the news. The rocket reaches space and is entering orbit, but suddenly we see a object (projectile/interceptor) approaching the rocket or spacecraft at extremely high speed on live feed. We hear a scream from the crew for a second, live feed goes black and there is a loss of signal. i think what i’ve said actually happening is very unlikely, but i like toying with the idea of a rather dark ending.
PJ being able to walk up to the people in the base implies that PJ is pretty advanced for the time. PJ's real-world contemporaries don't seem to have some kind of program to make them walk intentionally to people, but just roam around. Maybe artificial intelligence technology has gotten somehow a little advanced compared to our own to allow PJ to have a program to act like a living puppy...
@@mmabri I disagree about the "wins". I think we've seen through the series was that Ed was an honorable character that people still respect and which he himself commands respect. I don't think his character is written in such a way as to disadvantage him completely. I feel the writers are setting him up for a tragedy, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing character-wise.
So let me get this straight. Ed caught Danny high, and was straight up insubordinate to him to the point of almost coming to blows. But lets not only keep him on duty, but put him on monitoring an important thing that will cause the drill to not blow up.
I was absolutely furious when Ed didn't completely ground Danny for his continued insubordination. It's just ridiculous writing to say that Ed would've just slapped danny on the wrist for his actions especially given his military serve. I love this series to death, but what the hell kind of creative storytelling is that.
I totally agree with you! IRL, on such a sensitive, potentially deadly, Mars mission, someone like Danny would've been under house arrest, confined to quarters, locked up, until he could be sent home. He's a danger to the everyone on the team and a threat to the success of the mission. This part of the storyline is so fabricated, so fake, and irritating. So Hollywoodified.
Didn't they take the only operational lander they have on a time-sensitive mission with the Soviets? Like I could be wrong, but I just assumed it was a logistical decision.
I think it is because we see everything Danny has done or is doing and Ed does not. Ed is also preoccupied with the mission and seeing his daughter. Plus, Ed is very close to Gordo and treats Danny as a son, so he is extremely lenient on Danny.
He did similar things with Gordo. He was a mess and Ed trusted him to get back into the program. It came out ok, but it was a very questionable decision.
@@auslei You're so very right. I hope Ed and Danny survive this "trainwreck-about-to-happen". I think Danny WILL blurt out the truth about the "Karen" affair after when Ed confronts him after discovering Danny has hacked his videos with Karen.
I honestly think this season ends with ed sacrificing himself to save everyone with the last thing he hears is the first cries of his grandchild on the Phoenix.
As much as I personally wouldn't like it, this might be the case. Ed might end up dying since at the end of each season a main character dies. Season 1 was Deke Slayton, season 2 was gordo and Tracy, and this season will more than likely be someone on the Mars mission, probably ed since he's pretty old and he wouldn't have much of a purpose in season 4
Once it was clear that Ed knew Danny is on drugs, and also after puppy incident, i was SURE that he's back to Phoenix. Instead, he actually gave him a responsible job! Obviously the main blame for the incident is on Danny, but Ed should also own up his part for not grounding (orbiting?) Danny.
I think he saw that when they took space away from Gordo he got v depressed and not himself and was only cured by the prospect of spa e again It's a common logical fallacy to 'fight the last war' by seeing X situation and y as analogous when they're not. Look at the stupid comparisons between Ukraine situation and the 30s with Hitler. Similar doesn't mean the same. Ed may b falling into that trap. Thinking if he takes space away Danny will b worse off
a very small but important detail, Ed tells Danny "you don't think i've seen a pilot on go pills before?", go pills are stimulants used by pilots to stay alert for extended periods during missions, having served in Korea he associated the effects of the oxy with severe exhaustion caused by overworking rather than abusing medication, taking that into consideration it made sense to take him off flight duties instead of removing him from the crew entirely, also go pills were officially banned in the early 2000's in our timeline so it's possible they are in use in the FAM timeline
That's an interesting observation. Since we know what Danny is up to I hadn't thought about Ed misinterpreting what was wrong with him. Doesn't really make me like the decision more, but it does mean that he may have reacted differently if he knew he was mixing opioids and speed.
@@PetePeppers1 yeah as viewers it's easy to forget that we have the whole picture rather than the limited info the characters make decisions with, the one thing i can't wrap my head around is the how they don't keep track of the medical supplies given the very limited amount available, but that's a mistake on the writers part
Well as captain he should know about what drugs his staff are on for good reason (like his own) but if he’s not thinking he’s stealing he should have made him pass over his personal supply he brought with him if that’s what he thinks
Danny took two pill bottles. Uppers and Downers. He has the Oxy, but he also has Dextroamphetamine Sulphate. Those could be the go pills that Ed is referring to.
Some thoughts about this episode: - Ed should have relieved Danny of his duty and send him back to Phoenix. Keeping Danny on Mars any longer will endanger the safety of all astronauts. The ending proves this. If Ed dies from his injuries, then it's his faults for not taking Danny's reckless actions seriously. - The whole conspiracy thing with Jimmy and his "friends" is cringe. We can clearly see that Jimmy hasn't got over the deaths of his parents yet. He's a timid, shy and depressed person. His friends are just using him. And also, why is he living at his sister-in-law's house? He's got an IT job, then he should have no problems making enough money to rent a appartement. He's better than that, and he really needs help. - Margo will soon be exposed by Aleida. Aleida is determined this time, and she will not stop until she finds out who the traitor is. - Larry did a very stupid thing, and that could cost his wife and the Republican party the chance to win in 1996. Having a affair is bad enough, but having a affair with a White house staff while your wife is the President of the United States and lying to Congress afterward is unimagineable. - How couldn't NASA, with all of their rovers, landers, orbiters and scientists, detect the presence of a huge lake on Mars, while the Soviets can? It seems hard to believe. - There's no way Ellen could turn up to the house of a citizen in the middle of the night like that (and Pam seems really surprise). Everywhere POTUS goes, the Secret Service will always be one step ahead to check for threats. At the very least, Secret Service agents would have block the street, surround the house and notify the residents of the POTUS's arrival. An also, journalists would be surrounding the site. Being a president, you can't just walk up to a private home like that without the whole world knowing. - We can see that Ed's decision to take Danny along is a mistake. It has to do with Ed being a test pilot. He does dangerous things, takes risks, thinks quick and hopes for the best. But now, it seems that he has ran out of luck. Taking Danny along is a risky endevour, and now it pays off. I agree with Poole on her decision not to take Danny along. She plays by the book and follow guidelines, and now she's right.
you must be high oh no the lady who is committing multiple treasons for her spy fling is sad, vs two former lovers actually giving their lives for everyone on Jamestown. wow the two are so comparable they are definitely equal i truly do care for margo, not fuck her i hope she gets what's coming to her.
Wtf?? Why would you feel bad for her? Kus she had feelings for a Russian? Kus she's now caught in a hole and knows she's gonna get caught? I'm missing the feelings here...
I just realized what is happening between Aleida and Margo is reminiscent of what happened between Margo and her mentor Werner Von Braun . Aleida like Margo is finding out her mentor has feet of clay. The lesson that Margo took from it was how to play the game and rise in the ranks. What lesson will Aleida take?
Maybe aleida's lesson would be to balance her job family life unlike margo who is a complete mess with her own social life that she literally live on NASA sleeping with her work evryday only to earn for love but end up broken more.
I actually feel Aleida already suspected Margo was the source of the leak - the implication was given earlier in the episode - but she wants to give her one more chance to come clean. Instead, Margo suggests Aleida needs a break, which is so out-of-character it all but confirms Aleida's suspicions. I do agree that Ed's decisions seem so...ridiculous.
Seeing Margo break down was the hardest thing to watch. It was the first time she showed genuine emotion. I’m a dude and I couldn’t hold back my tears. I totally understand what she was going through
Hate on Danny all you want, but like you said I’m still a fan of Margo and hoping she can get out of this situation. She’s gotta cool down though. The only thing I’m questioning this episode is how did these guys manage to take apart the Gordo/Tracy statue. Aren’t there people and cameras all around?
🤣 This is why the show got the sci-fi tag! So many "miraculous mysterious happenstances" that come straight out of the X-Files! 🤣 This show makes the X-Files looks like a National Geographic docu.
I honestly, with all of my heart, don't really give a damn about Jimmy. Seriously, they're wasting time for more important stories with all of the Mars plot. Maybe I'm biased, but I seriously skipped over whenever he came out screen. On the other side, Danny vs Ed is a bomb that I really want to see go off.
@@jakistam1000 they are. I think Jimmy's just doing the young rebel thing to be contrary and knows full well there's no conspiracy.. but the others are real believers using him
Thanks Pete for the great breakdown of the episode. The Soviet commander is played Lev Gorn who played the KGB resident in The Americans. I didn’t recognise him because he has lost a lot of weight.
Oh yeah, it is. I didn't recognize him either. I noticed Lenara from Roscosmos was played by Vera Cherny and remembered her being in the Americans too.
@@PetePeppers1 Yes, I raised that in the comments in episode 5 . Ironically she displaced him in the Americans as the rezidentura before she gets shot by Elizabeth Jennings before Vera Cherny can assassinate Gorbachev’s nuclear disarmament team. But I digress.
@@mmabri well they have no choice but to do what she wants she can ignore their advice. In real life they'd have two agents take a look in that house first to see who's in there. Before she even git out of the car
@@safeysmith6720 I'm not excusing the rampant homophobia of that time I remember it well (well the LATE 90s and 00s)...though I am oddly nostalgic for a time when civil rights demands were "let consenting adults do what they want" and not "let's let 12 year olds have gender surgery and anyone declare their gender and do any sport" ....but the prez and hubby are as much to blame here They brought a kid into the world via a fake marriage I think that's so morally questionable. Having a kid creating a life and a person to throw suspicion off you It's one thing when it's just a civil contract between you and him but the kid? Jeez They're gonna ask for those tapes from the oval office and it will all come out. We had a referendum in Ireland on giving our parliament committees those subpoena and investigatory powers we said no cos we saw how it was abused in the US
Agree! That's Hollywood for ya. If Ed had died during the messed up mini mission, he would've totally deserved it. Knowing Danny is using drugs AT ALL, he should have locked him up. This episode was so ridiculous, so unreal.
While I understand that a lot of folks don’t understand why the show is turning so soap operay. But the full realization of the characters are realized by these storylines. The show as a whole is showing the full breath of this alt timeline. If we go back to the very beginning the Soviet landing is for me the US losing both the moon and the Vietnam War. The Russians too have become not an “old sick man” on his deathbed, but if you remember the Soviets under Gorbachev has turned into the dominate economist power. You might have noticed they know have influence in every sector of the world except Western Europe and the US and Canada. As an old guy I remember well when Cuba was under Soviet control. Now imagine Mexico, Central America South America and all of the Far East. We were crazy nuts from 1946-1990 with a never as strong as they seemed Soviets. This dread over casts everything. As for Ed the loss of his son is something a man like him never “makes peace” with and only become a deeper and eventually overwhelming completely dipilitataing “disease” not unlike cancer. At this stage Ed is so crippled every decision is going to be a bad one. Staying too long with a bad choice is a prime example. I think FAM is one of the finest shows written. One last thing about ALL the characters. Everybody’s in control…until they’re not. And we are close to that point.
The tension is increasing, and my suspension of disbelief is stretched too far. Jesus Christ the incompetence and unprofessionalism on display is insane
My theory is that Aleida finds out, but then Margo dies in a bomb attack by Jimmy's conspiracy friends, so Margo's secret will die with her and Aleida will choose not to tell anyone.
I was thinking his friends might be doing some sort of sabotage, but I'm having trouble connecting the dots of what they might be trying to accomplish. Just terror?
At the beginning of this season I remembered that Aleida’s father was kicked out of the US by having conversations in Mexico with some soviets in S1, probably Margo can blame the whole family now? Just a crazy idea that came to my mind
Pete peppers youre a really great video creator, always supplying us with the best breakdowns to follow along to the best series out there, thank you so much
About the water - Helios’s drill is shot, but NASA came to look for water and obviously they have the ability to drill, so they may be the only hope for all of them. The whole Helios-USSR agreement goes out the window and NASA is in the driver’s seat. Ed lost a lot of the traction he had gained by confusing picking a fight with Danny over disciplining him. It seems that his tough guy, test pilot persona leads him to do stupid things. Compare with Dani (although her deciding to land in a storm and subsequently wrecking the ship was not the best move). The NASA crew has kept on task.
This season = soap opera in space. Any mistake has an exaggerated effect. Simple, but interesting issues could be used for plot conflict but instead each issue is blown up into an unbelievable issue. It's concerning because these decisions seem to be made in the plot writing process and not post-film or with editing which means the writers could be running out of good ideas or are making the wrong decisions.
A step back...I was much more excited last year with the moon setting and the Americans and Russians shooting at each other as well as the Gordo/Tracy saga. Maybe, it's because I grew up in the Apollo era but the writing seemed much better last year. Still a fan but struggling a bit with the tedious plot line. Pete, what do you think?
That would be a sign he's been taking it a while. He's built up a tolerance...that's a fucking huge dose. If it was codene maybe but oxys way more potent.
It would be great if this season started a new story line of a character that will be important in the next season. Maybe a scene of a high school student or college student or someone in the military (the character re-watching the Mars landing for example). It would add mystery on how they will be important in the future season(s)
Unhinged Danny….omg….I’m not surprised about Danny, almost everyone here predicted that. I am surprised with Ed and his lack of judgment…what was he thinking? Poor Aleida is in such a tough spot. Margo better not throw her under the bus and go out with some dignity. Anyone else surprised about madam president just walking up to someone’s house on a whim? Writers could’ve done better with this episode.
That was a rocksolid recap of the episode. Can’t disagree with you on any point whatsoever. I was slightly depressed by the episode for many reasons which you covered. So sad to see the person that I really really love and respect giving away information to the Russians, it’s been heartbreaking to watch. Seeing Gordos son being tricked by those people is also very disheartening. I remember the one line in the show that really struck me, the one where the girl says that the statue was made up for something that never happened. That is heartbreaking! That was beyond a doubt the hardest scene I’ve ever had to watch. That sacrifice was awesome. I look forward to watching your next videos. Thank you!
I wished this episode spent more time on Mars and less with the Earth subplots. I'm curious on how such a small group of people could set up such a large drill that was somehow brought down from orbit. I know that finding water was a key part of the mission for everyone, but the size of that thing and its swift construction seems absurd. For such an undertaking there would have to be specialists such as hydrologists and drilling engineers. But maybe the lack of that expertise brought on the disaster that ended the episode?
I get that Ed is trying to help Danny the same way that the did Gordo. It's just that not only did that end in both Gordo's, and Tracy's death, but Danny isn't Gordo. Yeah Gordo fell pretty far, it just wasn't putting other in danger far. He also took himself out the the equation when he did start lossing it on Jamestown. Danny is turning into a legit psychopath, his obsession over Karen not helping either( still a super weird pairing). Which if Ed finds out I wouldn't put it past Ed to put Danny in the same place he was that night.
They can create a spacecraft that can travel to MARS, but they can't make a drill that would have the ability to shut down on its own if its own sensors indicate something is seriously wrong? And leaving a guy who is clearly addicted to drugs and clearly not mentally well in charge of anything at all? Obviously, it is just a show, but, even for a show, that is a little silly.
personal thoughts: i think that everyone will be alive. BECAUSE: 1. one of the scenes shows a moving cosmonaut in a dust storm, and for now we have not yet seen that scene, unlike others. 2. its a dust storm, but i believe that the suits would be rather slightly damaged, than broken apart 3. its 99.9 percent sure that danny will be... well... fucked in the next episode. EDIT: i forgot to say: THERE WILL 100% SURE BE A SEASON 4!!! there has been a word from Apple that it will happen. but we don t know when it will begin or what it will be about. i think that in season 4 there will be: Orion capsule and the SLS, Due to the mentioned self-sufficiency of NASA most likely a large colony on mars surface Jamestown will most likely be abandoned (cmon man that station would be almost 40 years old at that point) ive noticed something in the last 3 seasons. season 1: very late 1960's and most of the 1970's season 2: late 1970's and most of the 1980's season 3: late 1980's and most of the 1990's... i think you know where im going with this... season 4: (most likely) late 1990's and most of the 2000's Last note: season 4 will release most likely on Christmas 2022 or Summer 2023
In the first place HELIOS would never have been permitted to conduct an operation with the Soviets, their company would have been sequestered by the US government The melodrama of people in this episode was rubbish, the only storyline I'm at all invested in is the one with Aleida and Margo, mostly because neither of them are overly emotive.
I came here to sound off about my hate for Danny lol. I have always hated him. Creepy creeper. It will be nice to see Pam again. I don’t know why Ellen was so shocked to hear that Pam left for Ellen’s career. It seems everyone has rallied and sacrificed for her out of love.
I expect Kelly will be pregnant at some point by the Russian, Danny and/or Ed might die on the mission; Margo will be forced to fall on her sword like Von Braun did
I am worried that Danny might get away with everything if Nick dies as well. However part of me wants to believe that everything they do is logged electronically for "black box" like reconstruction if something large or small goes wrong. Meaning in this case the communications switch being switched on then off then back on would be logged chronologically along with all other sensor data related to the drilling mission. Now the data isn't going to show who flipped the switch so Danny could blame Nick but I dont think anyone would believe him. I just hope the show breaks from its normal trend of fast forwarding significantly in the next episode from where the previous episode left off because the events are too important to skip over or fast forward through. I do have a feeling that if Danny is held accountable for his actions it will become the next "NASAnon" conspiracy (as Pete named it). They will say either he is being blamed & discredited because Dannys crew got too close to the truth or because he himself found out the truth.
Because this is such a great show, I never expected the writers make Ed do something so completely out of character and downright stupid as to allow an insubordinate drug user to monitor a critical operation. Danny is seen to be drugged and almost assaults Ed in front of the crew, but no one bothers to secure the pharmacy and Ed doesn't follow thru on his threat to confine him?!? At least the guy whose toy dog Danny smashed would have been wary enough not to turn his back on him during a potentially fatal drilling operation. Bad writing.
NASA-Anon, lol. Jimmy and his friends are so obnoxious; I really hope this storyline pays off. Why is Jimmy living with his sister-in-law when he apparently has a pretty good IT job? It seems out of character for Ed to let Danny stay on the job when he's being erratic and insubordinate. During their argument I was sure Danny was about to blurt out that he's the one who slept with Karen. I still find it hard to believe that in all these years Ed has never badgered Karen into telling him who she slept with. Especially since Ed and Karen are still so close. Maybe she would lie, but I can't see Ed not caring to find out who it was. I have a feeling the explosion on Mars will turn out to reveal some reservoir of underground life or some other big discovery. I'm curious where the Ellen and Pam story goes. The world seems almost more homophobic than it was in the real 1990s. Maybe Ellen comes out, quits the presidency and joins Helios to go to Mars.
I read the news that F.A.M. has been renewed for S4. (Probably not breaking news to most of you.) Therefore, I do not think Ed will be killed in S3. (Someone had said they think he'll die.) Ed has to be in S4. He just has to be!
Idk. No one would've predicted both Tracy and Gordo to die at the start of S2, so I think there's a chance they kill him off. I hope they don't, but him getting a hero's death would also be pretty cool
This whole show has gone off the rails. It was a space show with some good drama. Now it's a soap opera with space sprinkled on. In the previous episode, both crews looked crazy by committing to a landing during a dust storm. Are we expected to believe these trained professionals would risk the entire mission and the lives of their crew just to be 'first' ? I don't think so. I was willing to overlook that because the landing sequence was well done. But this episode just takes the biscuit. We're at Prometheus-level competency here. These people would have never been approved for spaceflight, let alone a mission to mars.
I was really into this show up until this episode. The Ed/Danny situation really ruined it for me. We all know they're doing this just for plot reasons. There is no way Ed wouldn't have confined him after all he did. Literally just did this for "reasons". Disappointed in this.
Letting a drug abuser work: 🚨🚨🚨 Stepping away at the last minute while drilling: 🚨🚨🚨 This is like Prometheus level writing. Good episode but that whole part was trash.
Yeah, the writers just can't give Ed one win. I think the creator's personal politics are getting in the way of the writing. He did the same thing with Battlestar Galactica.
I like the show but at this point Danny just seems to be a means to an end by the writers to get NASA back into the picture. It feels so contrived that I got really annoyed.
Season 3 is becoming creepy because of Danny. I was able to re-watch S1 and S2 a few times, but because of Danny, it feels odd to watch it the first time.
I have been avoiding re-watching the trailer after the initial time since with context it's too spoilery. But I'd be pretty bummed if he was killed off. Danny really needs to get consequences for his actions. It's been so aggravating following his storyline - but I suppose he is the closest thing to a villain in this season. Also those NASAnnon people.
I like the show but there is too much As the world turns meets The Expanse. I love sci fi so I watch . But enough already. No commander is going to leave the lives of all these people in the hands of a guy who is high as a kite. And nobody is in charge of keeping track of meds? At the rate he is gobbling them they have to notice and notice that it is BAD, real bad. That is just one of many things they do that takes away from the show.
i hoped jimmy would call isaiah johnson (danielles son) i hoped they would devolope a friendship that he would help him out of this conspiracy rabbit hole... but then it was sunny, he called :( disappointing sorry for my english btw
I was thinking the same thing. NASA already had a Soviet defector as a astronaut on Mars; it's a shame that we don't get to see more interaction between him and the Soviet crews. Beside, if NASA have a Vietnamese-American astronaut, Roscosmos should have a Vietnamese cosmosnaut. It would be fun seeing them arguing about socialism in Vietnam.
Не понимаю как Карен, работая в Гелиосе, могла допустить, чтобы Дэнни летел с Эдом? После всего того что было, после всех его выходок? Очень глупый сюжетный ход как по мне! Марго, конечно, жаль, но от Вернера фон Брауна она отвернулась точно так же, а теперь прилетел бумеранг от Алейды - только и всего! Ну и, конечно, момент аварии - волосатый чувак, у которого Дэнни растоптал собачку, отвлекается именно в САМЫЙ ОТВЕТСТВЕННЫЙ МОМЕНТ бурения?!! Серьёзно? Что за детский сад?
Translation: I don't understand how Karen, working at Helios, could have allowed Danny to fly with Ed? After all that was, after all his antics? A very silly plot move for me! Margot, of course, is sorry, but she turned away from Wernher von Braun in the same way, and now the boomerang from Aleida has arrived - that's all! And, of course, the moment of the accident - the hairy dude, from whom Danny trampled the dog, is distracted precisely at the MOST CRUCIAL moment of drilling?!! For real? What kind of kindergarten?
As a non-binary person myself, I like Ellen and Larry the least for their hypocrisy and can't wait for theor come-uppance. My heart goes out to Margo, though, who is caught between a rock and a hard place. The disasters gripping the triple Mars Mission on account of human failings I find quite plausible.. I'm rooting for Kelly and Alexei. I hope Alexei survives the drilling station disaster. Though I admire Ed for cancelling the landing to save Danny, his failure to discipline Danny properly and humiliate him in front of the crew while ignoring his drug problem leads to catastrophe... another gripping episode! It's great the series has been readily renewed for another season!
I'm not sympathetic to Margo because she was so hardline with Molly Cobb, when she herself is a stupid woman who got roped into Treason! I mean, what Margo has done is highly sensitive to the security of America! She's too old to be bamboozled by Alexei! I don't blame him. I blame her. She should go to prison, but since this is totally Hollywood, she won't. Everyone breathe easy.
No emergency stop on a piece of drill equipment? Really? And why is the equipment not self contained like any piece of mobile equipment with no access to infrastructure would have to be? Would the writers of the show please move into the real world and maybe report for a visit to a factory floor or better still, a real world drilling operation? Other posters here have pointed out several of the many bad decisions the characters make for the writers to move the plot along. This has consistently been a turn off for me.I really think the premise of this show is genius, and the actor's performances are great, but the execution continues to let it down big time for me: A bit of random debris crippling and endangering a whole space station? Amateurs! I can't relate to any of the characters, they are tools for the writers random whims and genuinely unsympathetic to me. The Stevens brothers are obnoxious. Danny's only plot purpose is to set off a number of disasters. Gordo was never astronaut material. Ed was a crazed violent monster. The trope of humanity going into space and then going stir-crazy (but apparently only the menfolk ) is just so lame. That statue of Gordo and Tacy is so...... Soviet Union, third reich'y in it's ghastliness, and what is the point of removing it (other than it being ugly)?
Some lazy writing to get to a situation where a clearly unhinged guy is left in charge of something really important and somehow you have to operate the drill standing right next to it but not the pressure bit no that can be done remotely
Probably they at least tried the 2nd - for political reasons. The oval office is worth some occasional bouts of heterosexuality. Artificial insemination, only if the old way didn't work out and they found a reasonable medical excuse to accede to the procedure. Alternatively, adoption - if Ellen was fried barren by space radiation in her somewhat less than optimal travel to the moon .
What on Earth (rather, on Mars) has happened to the writing on this show? This episode is so badly written that I suspect someone has left an intern high on opioids and amphetamines in charge of writing it. Not counting leaving Lt. House MD in charge of a critical operation (pun intended, more on that later), how about: 1. why land the roundabout so far away from the sick bay when the commander of the entire damn thing is that badly injured? Instead let´s park far away and walk!!!! 2. No failsafe or backup controls ON THE DRILL? What kind of terrible design is that? If the witers want some clues on how to create a survival crisis, they can find it at the excellent series MARS (from having the commander die to finding water to running out of power to a crazy member of the crew screwing up and killing people). And, in closing: who is in charge of security at NASA? A couple of hippies comes in, steals a statue and gets away with it? Really? Seriously? Philip and Elisabeth could have sent Henry to extract information from that dumb Margo.
Can't wait to see what happens next. RIP P.J. Let me know what you think.
Both of the Stevens will get their asses kicked for what they are doing and will be severely punished, I feel like they are setting up Ed’s death
I don't know. The first 2 seasons were great, and this one started off fine until after episode 5. The writers just can't give any wins to Ed. Could of landed on the Moon, but didn't (yes I know Apollo 10 wasn't supposed to), Loses his wife, Could of landed on Mars, but didn't, daughter hates him, and now drilled for water, but that the writers took that away from him also. They just can't give one win to the veteran white guy, has to be the NASA diversity crew wins each and every time this season. Now, that I finished my rant I will say that it's still a good show, but I'm seeing cracks forming this season.
Theory and my guess on how episodes 8-10 will go, inspired from what people have been saying on the FAM subreddit.
It's long
The drill is destroyed. Everyone at Helios base at the time of the disaster dies besides Ed, Danny, a few survivors (including Alexei for plot purposes) and the other guy who made it to hab 2. The MSAM is damaged beyond repair. Ed says something to Danny before passing out and Danny realises the severity of the situation, using whatever basic medical expertise he has from astronaut training to prevent further blood loss and keeps Ed alive for as long as possible. The NASA crew is devastated but cannot help because of a dust storm caused by the event. The reservoir of subsurface liquid water is inaccessible. The North Korean probe enters Mars orbit, and detects another site with water-ice near or within Valles Marineris. This data is shared with NASA, Roscosmos and Helios. NASA crew uses their mining equipment to mine and convert the water-ice to clean, drinkable water for the crew and whatever greenhouse they happen to have. A few days later, Aleida is at home “having a break”. Having heard the news, she drafts an idea to get the crew and supplies from Phoenix down to the surface. She does the calculations and experiments needed for such a plan and it would work. She goes to work and proposes the idea to Margo. Margo disapproves, but she tells her engineering team at NASA to find a way to fix the nuclear engines using what’s left on Mars. Back on Mars, all three crews receive instructions on how to recover supplies and crew from Phoenix. They get to work to refuel Sojourner 1, make fixes to the nuclear engines that should get them running (barely). Either Ed, Dani or Danny will fly Sojourner One to Phoenix. Danny volunteers and has to be a hero again. Sojourner One lights it’s still functional VTOL engines and ascends as far as possible. Once halfway in Martian orbit and on track to rendezvous with Phoenix, the VTOL engines (which may just be conventional hydrogen-oxygen engines, that’s what i think they are) shuts down with just enough fuel to land again. He attempts to start the nuclear engines, fails. Attempts again, fails. Attempts the 3rd time, it ignites. However, Sojourner 1 falls just short of Mars orbit because the repaired engine bell could not handle the heat and is permanently and irreparably damaged. Danny, still on track to intercept with Phoenix, asks Phoenix crew to match velocity with the remaining fuel. This manoeuvre puts both spacecraft on a collision course with Martian surface but gives both spacecraft 30mins to transfer as much cargo and crew as possible. They transfer all the crew and as much supplies as possible to Sojourner. Sojourner’s trajectory makes them overshoot both Helios and NASA bases but Danny performs a nosedive, taking them a few hundred metres away from NASA base, making all the crew but him pass out and some of the instruments on Sojourner fail from over-g. Danny crash lands on Mars but him, the crew and some of the cargo survive. (implied in the title of Episode 10), someone might have a child on Mars, most likely Kelly and Alexei. Political trouble on Earth (caused by both Larry’s scandal and Margo’s disclosure of confidential information to the KGB) causes budget cuts at NASA (Helios no longer has any contracts from the gov so they don’t have money) and Roscosmos gets budget cuts due to the failure of Mars 94. What’s left of three crews have to live on Mars and the season ends bittersweetly with part of the crew dead and the remainder having to survive on mars (with cargo shipments from NASA and Roscosmos every 2 years).
Post credit scene or ending of episode 10: In the 21st century (2004 because I like Green Day and it is a Mars transfer window), NASA and Roscosmos prepare to launch a joint mission to recover the cosmonauts and astronauts on mars. Everything looks great and the rocket carrying the rescue team/spacecraft lifts off but they transition to the same launch on a television. (2000s metal music cuts here) The television (possibly a 8K OLED in 2004 due to the advanced technology progression) cuts to a breaking news feed, saying that terrorists (maybe the same group involved in 9/11 attacks) have just bombed Jamestown and Zvezda. Cutting back to JSC mission control, the mission controllers have just seen the news and they are trying to focus on the rocket launch instead of the news. The rocket reaches space and is entering orbit, but suddenly we see a object (projectile/interceptor) approaching the rocket or spacecraft at extremely high speed on live feed. We hear a scream from the crew for a second, live feed goes black and there is a loss of signal.
i think what i’ve said actually happening is very unlikely, but i like toying with the idea of a rather dark ending.
PJ being able to walk up to the people in the base implies that PJ is pretty advanced for the time. PJ's real-world contemporaries don't seem to have some kind of program to make them walk intentionally to people, but just roam around. Maybe artificial intelligence technology has gotten somehow a little advanced compared to our own to allow PJ to have a program to act like a living puppy...
@@mmabri I disagree about the "wins". I think we've seen through the series was that Ed was an honorable character that people still respect and which he himself commands respect. I don't think his character is written in such a way as to disadvantage him completely. I feel the writers are setting him up for a tragedy, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing character-wise.
So let me get this straight. Ed caught Danny high, and was straight up insubordinate to him to the point of almost coming to blows. But lets not only keep him on duty, but put him on monitoring an important thing that will cause the drill to not blow up.
Crazy! Ed deserves his injury.
This puzzled me also smh
I was absolutely furious when Ed didn't completely ground Danny for his continued insubordination. It's just ridiculous writing to say that Ed would've just slapped danny on the wrist for his actions especially given his military serve. I love this series to death, but what the hell kind of creative storytelling is that.
I totally agree with you! IRL, on such a sensitive, potentially deadly, Mars mission, someone like Danny would've been under house arrest, confined to quarters, locked up, until he could be sent home. He's a danger to the everyone on the team and a threat to the success of the mission. This part of the storyline is so fabricated, so fake, and irritating. So Hollywoodified.
Didn't they take the only operational lander they have on a time-sensitive mission with the Soviets? Like I could be wrong, but I just assumed it was a logistical decision.
I think it is because we see everything Danny has done or is doing and Ed does not. Ed is also preoccupied with the mission and seeing his daughter. Plus, Ed is very close to Gordo and treats Danny as a son, so he is extremely lenient on Danny.
He did similar things with Gordo. He was a mess and Ed trusted him to get back into the program. It came out ok, but it was a very questionable decision.
@@auslei You're so very right. I hope Ed and Danny survive this "trainwreck-about-to-happen". I think Danny WILL blurt out the truth about the "Karen" affair after when Ed confronts him after discovering Danny has hacked his videos with Karen.
I honestly think this season ends with ed sacrificing himself to save everyone with the last thing he hears is the first cries of his grandchild on the Phoenix.
Ed renovo para la 4 temporada.
@@jorgeayancan85 the show was renewed for S4, but don't know if Ed will still be there
@unknown vanity it's sorta tradition now. Plus it would be kinda symbolic the whole next generation taking over what the now AGEING built for them.
That would be quite an ending for the Ed now you say it a kind of want that to happen
As much as I personally wouldn't like it, this might be the case. Ed might end up dying since at the end of each season a main character dies. Season 1 was Deke Slayton, season 2 was gordo and Tracy, and this season will more than likely be someone on the Mars mission, probably ed since he's pretty old and he wouldn't have much of a purpose in season 4
Once it was clear that Ed knew Danny is on drugs, and also after puppy incident, i was SURE that he's back to Phoenix. Instead, he actually gave him a responsible job!
Obviously the main blame for the incident is on Danny, but Ed should also own up his part for not grounding (orbiting?) Danny.
Honestly Danny should be air locked.
Exactly!
I think he saw that when they took space away from Gordo he got v depressed and not himself and was only cured by the prospect of spa e again
It's a common logical fallacy to 'fight the last war' by seeing X situation and y as analogous when they're not. Look at the stupid comparisons between Ukraine situation and the 30s with Hitler.
Similar doesn't mean the same. Ed may b falling into that trap. Thinking if he takes space away Danny will b worse off
Ed's contempt for technical roles probably came into it to. I have seen much less dramatic versions of this dynamic over and over again.
Yeah the amount of plot holes this season is a true shame.
a very small but important detail, Ed tells Danny "you don't think i've seen a pilot on go pills before?", go pills are stimulants used by pilots to stay alert for extended periods during missions, having served in Korea he associated the effects of the oxy with severe exhaustion caused by overworking rather than abusing medication, taking that into consideration it made sense to take him off flight duties instead of removing him from the crew entirely, also go pills were officially banned in the early 2000's in our timeline so it's possible they are in use in the FAM timeline
That's an interesting observation. Since we know what Danny is up to I hadn't thought about Ed misinterpreting what was wrong with him. Doesn't really make me like the decision more, but it does mean that he may have reacted differently if he knew he was mixing opioids and speed.
@@PetePeppers1 yeah as viewers it's easy to forget that we have the whole picture rather than the limited info the characters make decisions with, the one thing i can't wrap my head around is the how they don't keep track of the medical supplies given the very limited amount available, but that's a mistake on the writers part
Well as captain he should know about what drugs his staff are on for good reason (like his own) but if he’s not thinking he’s stealing he should have made him pass over his personal supply he brought with him if that’s what he thinks
Danny took two pill bottles. Uppers and Downers. He has the Oxy, but he also has Dextroamphetamine Sulphate. Those could be the go pills that Ed is referring to.
Some thoughts about this episode:
- Ed should have relieved Danny of his duty and send him back to Phoenix. Keeping Danny on Mars any longer will endanger the safety of all astronauts. The ending proves this. If Ed dies from his injuries, then it's his faults for not taking Danny's reckless actions seriously.
- The whole conspiracy thing with Jimmy and his "friends" is cringe. We can clearly see that Jimmy hasn't got over the deaths of his parents yet. He's a timid, shy and depressed person. His friends are just using him. And also, why is he living at his sister-in-law's house? He's got an IT job, then he should have no problems making enough money to rent a appartement. He's better than that, and he really needs help.
- Margo will soon be exposed by Aleida. Aleida is determined this time, and she will not stop until she finds out who the traitor is.
- Larry did a very stupid thing, and that could cost his wife and the Republican party the chance to win in 1996. Having a affair is bad enough, but having a affair with a White house staff while your wife is the President of the United States and lying to Congress afterward is unimagineable.
- How couldn't NASA, with all of their rovers, landers, orbiters and scientists, detect the presence of a huge lake on Mars, while the Soviets can? It seems hard to believe.
- There's no way Ellen could turn up to the house of a citizen in the middle of the night like that (and Pam seems really surprise). Everywhere POTUS goes, the Secret Service will always be one step ahead to check for threats. At the very least, Secret Service agents would have block the street, surround the house and notify the residents of the POTUS's arrival. An also, journalists would be surrounding the site. Being a president, you can't just walk up to a private home like that without the whole world knowing.
- We can see that Ed's decision to take Danny along is a mistake. It has to do with Ed being a test pilot. He does dangerous things, takes risks, thinks quick and hopes for the best. But now, it seems that he has ran out of luck. Taking Danny along is a risky endevour, and now it pays off. I agree with Poole on her decision not to take Danny along. She plays by the book and follow guidelines, and now she's right.
I didn’t think anything could top the emotional weight of Gordo and Tracy’s sacrifice is S2, but seeing Margo weep like that came close.
Same
you must be high oh no the lady who is committing multiple treasons for her spy fling is sad, vs two former lovers actually giving their lives for everyone on Jamestown. wow the two are so comparable they are definitely equal i truly do care for margo, not fuck her i hope she gets what's coming to her.
Man, when she cried like that.. Just with all the shit going on in my life right now, I cried too with her.
Wtf?? Why would you feel bad for her? Kus she had feelings for a Russian? Kus she's now caught in a hole and knows she's gonna get caught? I'm missing the feelings here...
@@falloutboy9424 There’s a thing called empathy and pity
I just realized what is happening between Aleida and Margo is reminiscent of what happened between Margo and her mentor Werner Von Braun . Aleida like Margo is finding out her mentor has feet of clay. The lesson that Margo took from it was how to play the game and rise in the ranks. What lesson will Aleida take?
Maybe aleida's lesson would be to balance her job family life unlike margo who is a complete mess with her own social life that she literally live on NASA sleeping with her work evryday only to earn for love but end up broken more.
I actually feel Aleida already suspected Margo was the source of the leak - the implication was given earlier in the episode - but she wants to give her one more chance to come clean. Instead, Margo suggests Aleida needs a break, which is so out-of-character it all but confirms Aleida's suspicions.
I do agree that Ed's decisions seem so...ridiculous.
Including Danny on the mission was ridiculous. As was the similar thing that Ed did in the earlier series.
@@OneEyedMonkey9000 danniel's discision on taking out danny in the first sign of his unstableness is now justified.
Tbh, Ed's decisions were often extremly risky, not to say irresponsible.
It’s interesting to see the change in the dynamic between the Soviet commander with Ed, and how he had completely disrespected Dani.
Seeing Margo break down was the hardest thing to watch. It was the first time she showed genuine emotion. I’m a dude and I couldn’t hold back my tears. I totally understand what she was going through
Hate on Danny all you want, but like you said I’m still a fan of Margo and hoping she can get out of this situation. She’s gotta cool down though.
The only thing I’m questioning this episode is how did these guys manage to take apart the Gordo/Tracy statue. Aren’t there people and cameras all around?
Aleida is 100% bringing evidence do DOD/CIA/FBI (I don't know which is the correct institution in this case) next episode
🤣 This is why the show got the sci-fi tag! So many "miraculous mysterious happenstances" that come straight out of the X-Files! 🤣 This show makes the X-Files looks like a National Geographic docu.
@@jakistam1000 I think it would be the DOJ. However, treason comes under the perview of the CIA as well. Spy stuff and espionage.
@@jakistam1000 FBI espionage division
CIA isn't meant to operate domestically
It's illegal. They still do it though
I don’t understand why Margo doesn’t tell Aleida that she gave them the blueprints just so she shuts up and doesn’t get her in a problem
im amazed at how fast you put this together with such quality and insight.
I look forward to your FAM and BCS recaps/videos every week! Love your observations, thanks for the quality content 😁
Great episode, this show is awesome. Thank you for the weekly breakdowns, always look forward to them after watching the latest episode.
seriously though lol, me too
I honestly, with all of my heart, don't really give a damn about Jimmy. Seriously, they're wasting time for more important stories with all of the Mars plot.
Maybe I'm biased, but I seriously skipped over whenever he came out screen.
On the other side, Danny vs Ed is a bomb that I really want to see go off.
I soooo totally agree with you. Jimmy Stevens is a waste of time a space on the show. Who the heck cares about this sack of pale flesh? Not me. Geez.
I didn't; I thought they're gonna do something more serious - steal documents, sabotage Mission Control, or something like that.
I agree, the Jimmy story seems unnecessary and boring, but it will probably become good in the final 3 episodes.
@@jakistam1000 they are. I think Jimmy's just doing the young rebel thing to be contrary and knows full well there's no conspiracy.. but the others are real believers using him
Literally finished the episode and came here to see if you had dropped this weeks video
Ed's responsible for what happens.
His poor judgment caused this.
@@SD352-68 Based
@@arbitrarilyentertainment8553 based
Thanks Pete for the great breakdown of the episode. The Soviet commander is played Lev Gorn who played the KGB resident in The Americans. I didn’t recognise him because he has lost a lot of weight.
Oh yeah, it is. I didn't recognize him either. I noticed Lenara from Roscosmos was played by Vera Cherny and remembered her being in the Americans too.
@@PetePeppers1 Yes, I raised that in the comments in episode 5 . Ironically she displaced him in the Americans as the rezidentura before she gets shot by Elizabeth Jennings before Vera Cherny can assassinate Gorbachev’s nuclear disarmament team. But I digress.
Simply; For All Mankind is my most favourite, current show - it's perfect!
Are you still working on a video about the timeline differences shown at the beginning of the first episode? I'd love to see that.
Love that Margo name dropped the book tinker talker solider spy, says so much about her as a character
The only part of this show I did not like was the low key trip to see Pam. No way the President can pull something like that off.
Yeh isn't someone gonna notice a motorcade? On the street?
At least go more low key
Yeah, secret service would never have allowed it.
@@mmabri well they have no choice but to do what she wants she can ignore their advice.
In real life they'd have two agents take a look in that house first to see who's in there.
Before she even git out of the car
I wish she would just drop Pam. You just knew Pam was gonna end up bringing everything down.
But hey, at least they get to be in love! (sarcasm)
@@safeysmith6720 I'm not excusing the rampant homophobia of that time I remember it well (well the LATE 90s and 00s)...though I am oddly nostalgic for a time when civil rights demands were "let consenting adults do what they want" and not "let's let 12 year olds have gender surgery and anyone declare their gender and do any sport" ....but the prez and hubby are as much to blame here
They brought a kid into the world via a fake marriage I think that's so morally questionable. Having a kid creating a life and a person to throw suspicion off you
It's one thing when it's just a civil contract between you and him but the kid? Jeez
They're gonna ask for those tapes from the oval office and it will all come out. We had a referendum in Ireland on giving our parliament committees those subpoena and investigatory powers we said no cos we saw how it was abused in the US
How does Ed and the rest of Helios not Pull Danny from the mission and search his rooms for drugs
Agree! That's Hollywood for ya. If Ed had died during the messed up mini mission, he would've totally deserved it. Knowing Danny is using drugs AT ALL, he should have locked him up. This episode was so ridiculous, so unreal.
While I understand that a lot of folks don’t understand why the show is turning so soap operay. But the full realization of the characters are realized by these storylines. The show as a whole is showing the full breath of this alt timeline. If we go back to the very beginning the Soviet landing is for me the US losing both the moon and the Vietnam War. The Russians too have become not an “old sick man” on his deathbed, but if you remember the Soviets under Gorbachev has turned into the dominate economist power. You might have noticed they know have influence in every sector of the world except Western Europe and the US and Canada. As an old guy I remember well when Cuba was under Soviet control. Now imagine Mexico, Central America South America and all of the Far East. We were crazy nuts from 1946-1990 with a never as strong as they seemed Soviets. This dread over casts everything.
As for Ed the loss of his son is something a man like him never “makes peace” with and only become a deeper and eventually overwhelming completely dipilitataing “disease” not unlike cancer. At this stage Ed is so crippled every decision is going to be a bad one. Staying too long with a bad choice is a prime example. I think FAM is one of the finest shows written. One last thing about ALL the characters. Everybody’s in control…until they’re not. And we are close to that point.
The tension is increasing, and my suspension of disbelief is stretched too far. Jesus Christ the incompetence and unprofessionalism on display is insane
My theory is that Aleida finds out, but then Margo dies in a bomb attack by Jimmy's conspiracy friends, so Margo's secret will die with her and Aleida will choose not to tell anyone.
I was thinking his friends might be doing some sort of sabotage, but I'm having trouble connecting the dots of what they might be trying to accomplish. Just terror?
@@PetePeppers1 Alternate version of Oklahoma City bombing?
Great theory
At the beginning of this season I remembered that Aleida’s father was kicked out of the US by having conversations in Mexico with some soviets in S1, probably Margo can blame the whole family now? Just a crazy idea that came to my mind
I think this is the second series I have started watching only because you review it. Thanks
Pete peppers youre a really great video creator, always supplying us with the best breakdowns to follow along to the best series out there, thank you so much
have you heard of the shit trump did in office
Ed should have relieved Danny of duty before this and sent him back to the mother ship.
I think he didn't because it would take to much time to send the lander up to the orbiter then come back down for the drilling.
Yeah the problem is these scenarios are created for dramatic purposes so take away the ‘real’ feeling of the show
About the water - Helios’s drill is shot, but NASA came to look for water and obviously they have the ability to drill, so they may be the only hope for all of them. The whole Helios-USSR agreement goes out the window and NASA is in the driver’s seat.
Ed lost a lot of the traction he had gained by confusing picking a fight with Danny over disciplining him. It seems that his tough guy, test pilot persona leads him to do stupid things. Compare with Dani (although her deciding to land in a storm and subsequently wrecking the ship was not the best move). The NASA crew has kept on task.
Never underestimated NASA's plot armor. 😂
Well, assuming Martian romance is one of the tasks.
@@davidcassatt7025 new race mession is for the first baby to be consived and born on mars XD
Thanks as always Pete!
This season = soap opera in space. Any mistake has an exaggerated effect. Simple, but interesting issues could be used for plot conflict but instead each issue is blown up into an unbelievable issue. It's concerning because these decisions seem to be made in the plot writing process and not post-film or with editing which means the writers could be running out of good ideas or are making the wrong decisions.
This episode made me question whether I want to continue watching this show. Absolute trash. I don't understand why.
A step back...I was much more excited last year with the moon setting and the Americans and Russians shooting at each other as well as the Gordo/Tracy saga. Maybe, it's because I grew up in the Apollo era but the writing seemed much better last year. Still a fan but struggling a bit with the tedious plot line. Pete, what do you think?
Justice for PJ
😂😂😂
How did Danny not OD? He took 160mg of Oxycodone in one go.
That would be a sign he's been taking it a while. He's built up a tolerance...that's a fucking huge dose. If it was codene maybe but oxys way more potent.
It would be great if this season started a new story line of a character that will be important in the next season. Maybe a scene of a high school student or college student or someone in the military (the character re-watching the Mars landing for example). It would add mystery on how they will be important in the future season(s)
Sorta like Aleida in Season One I guess?
They did that with Aleida already.
Seems like that's what they're doing with Will currently. He's already an astronaut but he's young enough to feature in the next two seasons.
I think the NASAAnnon crowd is going to bomb JSC this timeline version of the OKC bombing and blame Jimmy. They were casing the joint.
Damn, PJ was innocent!
Again, glad for this video
Unhinged Danny….omg….I’m not surprised about Danny, almost everyone here predicted that. I am surprised with Ed and his lack of judgment…what was he thinking? Poor Aleida is in such a tough spot. Margo better not throw her under the bus and go out with some dignity. Anyone else surprised about madam president just walking up to someone’s house on a whim? Writers could’ve done better with this episode.
Karen’s gorilla grip really spiraled Danny *that* bad, like bro
ONG
She got that power u! 🤣
Margo has a heartbreaking story arc... I'm pulling for her to be able to find love...
Sadly for margo the man he love is a married man
That was a rocksolid recap of the episode. Can’t disagree with you on any point whatsoever. I was slightly depressed by the episode for many reasons which you covered. So sad to see the person that I really really love and respect giving away information to the Russians, it’s been heartbreaking to watch. Seeing Gordos son being tricked by those people is also very disheartening. I remember the one line in the show that really struck me, the one where the girl says that the statue was made up for something that never happened. That is heartbreaking! That was beyond a doubt the hardest scene I’ve ever had to watch. That sacrifice was awesome. I look forward to watching your next videos. Thank you!
I wished this episode spent more time on Mars and less with the Earth subplots. I'm curious on how such a small group of people could set up such a large drill that was somehow brought down from orbit. I know that finding water was a key part of the mission for everyone, but the size of that thing and its swift construction seems absurd. For such an undertaking there would have to be specialists such as hydrologists and drilling engineers. But maybe the lack of that expertise brought on the disaster that ended the episode?
I have never hated some random tv character more than danny
I get that Ed is trying to help Danny the same way that the did Gordo. It's just that not only did that end in both Gordo's, and Tracy's death, but Danny isn't Gordo. Yeah Gordo fell pretty far, it just wasn't putting other in danger far. He also took himself out the the equation when he did start lossing it on Jamestown. Danny is turning into a legit psychopath, his obsession over Karen not helping either( still a super weird pairing). Which if Ed finds out I wouldn't put it past Ed to put Danny in the same place he was that night.
Was waiting for this to drop
There you go
They can create a spacecraft that can travel to MARS, but they can't make a drill that would have the ability to shut down on its own if its own sensors indicate something is seriously wrong? And leaving a guy who is clearly addicted to drugs and clearly not mentally well in charge of anything at all? Obviously, it is just a show, but, even for a show, that is a little silly.
this series is quickly becoming a fable against nepotism.
I don't know how they can make a fourth season looks like the series doesn't keep up the expectations the previous two had...
personal thoughts:
i think that everyone will be alive. BECAUSE:
1. one of the scenes shows a moving cosmonaut in a dust storm, and for now we have not yet seen that scene, unlike others.
2. its a dust storm, but i believe that the suits would be rather slightly damaged, than broken apart
3. its 99.9 percent sure that danny will be... well... fucked in the next episode.
EDIT: i forgot to say: THERE WILL 100% SURE BE A SEASON 4!!! there has been a word from Apple that it will happen. but we don t know when it will begin or what it will be about.
i think that in season 4 there will be:
Orion capsule and the SLS, Due to the mentioned self-sufficiency of NASA
most likely a large colony on mars surface
Jamestown will most likely be abandoned (cmon man that station would be almost 40 years old at that point)
ive noticed something in the last 3 seasons.
season 1: very late 1960's and most of the 1970's
season 2: late 1970's and most of the 1980's
season 3: late 1980's and most of the 1990's...
i think you know where im going with this...
season 4: (most likely) late 1990's and most of the 2000's
Last note: season 4 will release most likely on Christmas 2022 or Summer 2023
In the first place HELIOS would never have been permitted to conduct an operation with the Soviets, their company would have been sequestered by the US government
The melodrama of people in this episode was rubbish, the only storyline I'm at all invested in is the one with Aleida and Margo, mostly because neither of them are overly emotive.
I came here to sound off about my hate for Danny lol. I have always hated him. Creepy creeper. It will be nice to see Pam again. I don’t know why Ellen was so shocked to hear that Pam left for Ellen’s career. It seems everyone has rallied and sacrificed for her out of love.
Danny is about to receive an Edward Baldwin beat down 👇
That, if Nick even was still alive or Danny at least be truthful for once.
I expect Kelly will be pregnant at some point by the Russian, Danny and/or Ed might die on the mission; Margo will be forced to fall on her sword like Von Braun did
Maybe she will hang out with Molly and learn to paint and get stoned?
I am worried that Danny might get away with everything if Nick dies as well. However part of me wants to believe that everything they do is logged electronically for "black box" like reconstruction if something large or small goes wrong. Meaning in this case the communications switch being switched on then off then back on would be logged chronologically along with all other sensor data related to the drilling mission. Now the data isn't going to show who flipped the switch so Danny could blame Nick but I dont think anyone would believe him. I just hope the show breaks from its normal trend of fast forwarding significantly in the next episode from where the previous episode left off because the events are too important to skip over or fast forward through.
I do have a feeling that if Danny is held accountable for his actions it will become the next "NASAnon" conspiracy (as Pete named it). They will say either he is being blamed & discredited because Dannys crew got too close to the truth or because he himself found out the truth.
Because this is such a great show, I never expected the writers make Ed do something so completely out of character and downright stupid as to allow an insubordinate drug user to monitor a critical operation. Danny is seen to be drugged and almost assaults Ed in front of the crew, but no one bothers to secure the pharmacy and Ed doesn't follow thru on his threat to confine him?!? At least the guy whose toy dog Danny smashed would have been wary enough not to turn his back on him during a potentially fatal drilling operation. Bad writing.
That ending, wow…
NASA-Anon, lol. Jimmy and his friends are so obnoxious; I really hope this storyline pays off. Why is Jimmy living with his sister-in-law when he apparently has a pretty good IT job?
It seems out of character for Ed to let Danny stay on the job when he's being erratic and insubordinate. During their argument I was sure Danny was about to blurt out that he's the one who slept with Karen. I still find it hard to believe that in all these years Ed has never badgered Karen into telling him who she slept with. Especially since Ed and Karen are still so close. Maybe she would lie, but I can't see Ed not caring to find out who it was.
I have a feeling the explosion on Mars will turn out to reveal some reservoir of underground life or some other big discovery.
I'm curious where the Ellen and Pam story goes. The world seems almost more homophobic than it was in the real 1990s. Maybe Ellen comes out, quits the presidency and joins Helios to go to Mars.
Prediction: Alexei will end up in Hab 1 with Ed and Danny.
I read the news that F.A.M. has been renewed for S4. (Probably not breaking news to most of you.) Therefore, I do not think Ed will be killed in S3. (Someone had said they think he'll die.) Ed has to be in S4. He just has to be!
Idk. No one would've predicted both Tracy and Gordo to die at the start of S2, so I think there's a chance they kill him off. I hope they don't, but him getting a hero's death would also be pretty cool
Why did they need the badge to steal the statues that were already outside?
jimmy's conspiracy plot is unbelievably cringe
Bud from Jag! They're gonna put a bomb in that statue. Russians! Ed dorked this day up.
Ed should not have humiliated Danny in front of the crew.
Nah more like Ed should have listen to danni about danny
What do you think is gonna happen in season 4
This whole show has gone off the rails. It was a space show with some good drama. Now it's a soap opera with space sprinkled on. In the previous episode, both crews looked crazy by committing to a landing during a dust storm. Are we expected to believe these trained professionals would risk the entire mission and the lives of their crew just to be 'first' ? I don't think so. I was willing to overlook that because the landing sequence was well done. But this episode just takes the biscuit. We're at Prometheus-level competency here. These people would have never been approved for spaceflight, let alone a mission to mars.
I'm glad someone else is seeing the cracks with this season.
I was really into this show up until this episode. The Ed/Danny situation really ruined it for me. We all know they're doing this just for plot reasons. There is no way Ed wouldn't have confined him after all he did. Literally just did this for "reasons". Disappointed in this.
Letting a drug abuser work: 🚨🚨🚨
Stepping away at the last minute while drilling: 🚨🚨🚨
This is like Prometheus level writing. Good episode but that whole part was trash.
Yeah, the writers just can't give Ed one win. I think the creator's personal politics are getting in the way of the writing. He did the same thing with Battlestar Galactica.
Karl Rove type?---it's supposed to be Karl Rove; it's even in the end credits.
Your revieww are more interesting that the episodes...
Did they bring a geologist along? They drill for water and a massive cliff collapses destroying a bunch of stuff. Max drams, bad science.
I like the show but at this point Danny just seems to be a means to an end by the writers to get NASA back into the picture. It feels so contrived that I got really annoyed.
Yea it’s frustrating when the supposed good guys aren’t caching any breaks or making all the boneheaded calls
Season 3 is becoming creepy because of Danny. I was able to re-watch S1 and S2 a few times, but because of Danny, it feels odd to watch it the first time.
Ed's gonna find out through some means and grease Danny 👍
I think Alexei survived. In the trailer for season 3, we can see Kelly helping a seemingly injured Alexei.
I have been avoiding re-watching the trailer after the initial time since with context it's too spoilery. But I'd be pretty bummed if he was killed off. Danny really needs to get consequences for his actions. It's been so aggravating following his storyline - but I suppose he is the closest thing to a villain in this season. Also those NASAnnon people.
I like the show but there is too much As the world turns meets The Expanse. I love sci fi so I watch . But enough already. No commander is going to leave the lives of all these people in the hands of a guy who is high as a kite. And nobody is in charge of keeping track of meds? At the rate he is gobbling them they have to notice and notice that it is BAD, real bad. That is just one of many things they do that takes away from the show.
i hoped jimmy would call isaiah johnson (danielles son) i hoped they would devolope a friendship that he would help him out of this conspiracy rabbit hole...
but then it was sunny, he called :(
disappointing
sorry for my english btw
or maybe more than a friendship? :) i mean, in my opinion, they had a real little moment in episode 1 😁🤩
The "Dog" WAS annoying!
Will they find weed on Mars?
I miss Tracy Stevens
If the Russians have a Cuban cosmonaut, the Americans should have a Cuban-American Astronaut!
I was thinking the same thing. NASA already had a Soviet defector as a astronaut on Mars; it's a shame that we don't get to see more interaction between him and the Soviet crews. Beside, if NASA have a Vietnamese-American astronaut, Roscosmos should have a Vietnamese cosmosnaut. It would be fun seeing them arguing about socialism in Vietnam.
Не понимаю как Карен, работая в Гелиосе, могла допустить, чтобы Дэнни летел с Эдом? После всего того что было, после всех его выходок? Очень глупый сюжетный ход как по мне! Марго, конечно, жаль, но от Вернера фон Брауна она отвернулась точно так же, а теперь прилетел бумеранг от Алейды - только и всего! Ну и, конечно, момент аварии - волосатый чувак, у которого Дэнни растоптал собачку, отвлекается именно в САМЫЙ ОТВЕТСТВЕННЫЙ МОМЕНТ бурения?!! Серьёзно? Что за детский сад?
Translation: I don't understand how Karen, working at Helios, could have allowed Danny to fly with Ed? After all that was, after all his antics? A very silly plot move for me! Margot, of course, is sorry, but she turned away from Wernher von Braun in the same way, and now the boomerang from Aleida has arrived - that's all! And, of course, the moment of the accident - the hairy dude, from whom Danny trampled the dog, is distracted precisely at the MOST CRUCIAL moment of drilling?!! For real? What kind of kindergarten?
What will happen next you ask? Trouble ahead.
As a non-binary person myself, I like Ellen and Larry the least for their hypocrisy and can't wait for theor come-uppance. My heart goes out to Margo, though, who is caught between a rock and a hard place. The disasters gripping the triple Mars Mission on account of human failings I find quite plausible.. I'm rooting for Kelly and Alexei. I hope Alexei survives the drilling station disaster. Though I admire Ed for cancelling the landing to save Danny, his failure to discipline Danny properly and humiliate him in front of the crew while ignoring his drug problem leads to catastrophe... another gripping episode! It's great the series has been readily renewed for another season!
i really hope this doesnt end with ed dying. based on the trailer though, it does seem that he will survive
6:57 you sure?
I am sympathetic to Margo but she made a HUGE mistake on day one and should have backed out
I'm not sympathetic to Margo because she was so hardline with Molly Cobb, when she herself is a stupid woman who got roped into Treason! I mean, what Margo has done is highly sensitive to the security of America! She's too old to be bamboozled by Alexei! I don't blame him. I blame her. She should go to prison, but since this is totally Hollywood, she won't. Everyone breathe easy.
No emergency stop on a piece of drill equipment? Really? And why is the equipment not self contained like any piece of mobile equipment with no access to infrastructure would have to be? Would the writers of the show please move into the real world and maybe report for a visit to a factory floor or better still, a real world drilling operation? Other posters here have pointed out several of the many bad decisions the characters make for the writers to move the plot along. This has consistently been a turn off for me.I really think the premise of this show is genius, and the actor's performances are great, but the execution continues to let it down big time for me: A bit of random debris crippling and endangering a whole space station? Amateurs! I can't relate to any of the characters, they are tools for the writers random whims and genuinely unsympathetic to me. The Stevens brothers are obnoxious. Danny's only plot purpose is to set off a number of disasters. Gordo was never astronaut material. Ed was a crazed violent monster. The trope of humanity going into space and then going stir-crazy (but apparently only the menfolk ) is just so lame. That statue of Gordo and Tacy is so...... Soviet Union, third reich'y in it's ghastliness, and what is the point of removing it (other than it being ugly)?
They should have brought in Bruce Willis
Some lazy writing to get to a situation where a clearly unhinged guy is left in charge of something really important and somehow you have to operate the drill standing right next to it but not the pressure bit no that can be done remotely
Can someone please make supercut episodes without Danny?
How do you think larry and ellen had a kid? Was it artificial insemination or did they have the secks?
Probably they at least tried the 2nd - for political reasons.
The oval office is worth some occasional bouts of heterosexuality.
Artificial insemination, only if the old way didn't work out and they found a reasonable medical excuse to accede to the procedure.
Alternatively, adoption - if Ellen was fried barren by space radiation in her somewhat less than optimal travel to the moon .
I always presumed adopted
I’m so pissed at Ed (or the writers).
As the World Turns on Mars and elsewhere. Never let a confirmed druggie man the controls, k?
What on Earth (rather, on Mars) has happened to the writing on this show? This episode is so badly written that I suspect someone has left an intern high on opioids and amphetamines in charge of writing it. Not counting leaving Lt. House MD in charge of a critical operation (pun intended, more on that later), how about: 1. why land the roundabout so far away from the sick bay when the commander of the entire damn thing is that badly injured? Instead let´s park far away and walk!!!! 2. No failsafe or backup controls ON THE DRILL? What kind of terrible design is that? If the witers want some clues on how to create a survival crisis, they can find it at the excellent series MARS (from having the commander die to finding water to running out of power to a crazy member of the crew screwing up and killing people). And, in closing: who is in charge of security at NASA? A couple of hippies comes in, steals a statue and gets away with it? Really? Seriously? Philip and Elisabeth could have sent Henry to extract information from that dumb Margo.
Sunny is Bryan Cranston's daughter!?
Pretty sure that's meant to be Karl Rove, not a Karl Rove-type..