There were so many great little details in this finale. The silent shootout sequence in the depressurized corridor was so intense, and it was just one of many. Dani makes her decision not to wait her turn, Tracy telling Gordo she makes the suit sing, Margo wrapping the number around a Tootsie Roll, the run on toilet paper at the stores, Sally Ride pulling out her piece, and those empty rooms with TVs playing the handshake. A lot to talk about, and I will follow up with a season 3 questions video in the next couple of days. Let me know where you’re at on that.
1. the trailer for S2 was fake with 12-20 marines on rovers with guns (i thought that was gonna be the finally battle/siege). 1.5 fake trailers/scenes are common now with modern tv shows. or they just skipped/deleted that part of the show 2. Why Panama is so important in this timeline the Suez cannel is still closed so alot shipping traffic is coming through it. 3. we are never told why its so important to retake that cosmonaut or why he's defecting is he Christian/Jewish or just want a better life American Hamburgers. 3. IRL The Soviets had Generals/Colonel defecting all the time that it wasn't that big of a deal. 4. The Soviets weren't acknowledge the mining claims by the U.S,A. 4.5 which started the marines bring guns to the Moon to reclaim their mining site. 5. we aren't told if the truth about gordo's episode on the moon is told/leaked. 6. the last part with the russians i didn't get/have subtitles on so i'll have to go back and rewatch it.
I cheered when JSC said Gordo and Tracy had made it back to the airlock but I was worried why they didn’t show it, but my heart sunk when we actually see what happened. Their storyline was the best of the season.
Yeah, I didn't think that they were going to make it and was shocked that they actually got back to the airlock. I didn't want them to die but at the same time it would've totally destroyed any realism had they survived. I was expecting them to just kinda lean back against the outer walls of Jamestown, leaning on each other as they watched the sun and have a fade out/white out that way to show that they'd died. One thing I did notice on her tombstone is that they'd awarded Tracy the CMH along with Gordo, which I have to figure that they either: A. made a special provision for her being a civilian since she did go out into hard vac with Gordo to save the base, or B. Astronauts are allowed to earn military awards and decorations in this timeline because of all the work they do for the military or something. Or combination thereof.
I went into it fully expecting someone is going to die. Maybe more than one person. I'd say Ed was prime candidate, or either Gordo or Tracy, hell I'd even expect some random death for Karen before I expected both Stevens would die.
@@CrazyChemistPL I expected Gordo to have something happen, but prayed that it wouldn't, especially after everything he went through and struggled through.
I've seen vids both animals and humans tried in a vacuum chamber, survived, but that is in stationary, running 25meters and back is a different thing, suicidal mission. I'm sure some UA-camrs will context it.
I have never cried so much over the death of a character as over the death of the Stevens. I was so shocked by this scene that I thought they were just unconscious. But when they showed the funeral ... I burst into tears ... A truly beautiful, but truly tragic ending
@@OldSchoolMinded I agree, realism is above this, but it's still very sad to see two beautiful characters that you fell in love with during this season die.
@@user-jt3hz7fj7x Вообще не могу представить, как теперь буду смотреть 3 сезон. Гордо стал для меня самым любимым персонажем, наряду с Марго Надеюсь, к моменту выхода нового сезона я уже "успокоюсь" и смогу посмотреть, но пока так
I found it incredibly sad. They just said “I love you” to each other and they then had to save the whole moon. The hardest part for me to watch was the blood coming out of them while they were running. I’m still in shock and still feel sick to my stomach over their death. Sorry for going off a little bit there. I just really fucking loved the Stevens. It was really hard for me to watch.
I wish Danny saw him crying and approached like she did but instead of hugging him she looks at the casket and with a sad serious face says “Bye Bob” And Ed snickers for a tiny moment without losing his sadness or breaking eye contact with Gordo’s casket, like the quick exhale you make when you try and suppress a laugh. Or Ed reacts with a hint of a tiny smile on one half of his face.
You nailed it perfectly! I love your comment. I've watched 4 series now with Michael in it, and each one gets better and better. I'm so pissed that they killed him off. On to his next show. I will watch seas 3 but not with the same intensity of interest and excitement.
@@EKFiPod no but you don't understand how much rage, hostility and loathing deprecation I have against Karen for her betrayal especially when she slept her dead sons Best friend
9:44 when they were showing the empty rooms, I had a feeling of dread because it was so quiet and I was just waiting for the bright flash of a bomb going off in the window and the world to end.
Gordo's and Tracy's ark was a real one-two punch in the gut... I thought they were not gonna make it for sure, but when they made it to the airlock I had some hope. It made me mad knowing they died because of the military people were keeping secrets from their own astronauts and taking stupid risks with the second reactor...
They just need to explain how do you fit 2 fission reactors in a 3 room base and keep one fission reactor a secret along the way. I guess no one stopped and asked "Yo, John, what's that thing that's installed around the corner?", and NASA that has sensors for the entire base, simply missed that there is a whole bloody extra reactor there.
@@Wustenfuchs109 RIGHT!? Like how big is this freaking reactor and where is it? Did they bury it or something and then just neglected to tell anyone about it?
Dammit gordo and Tracy. I wanted them to have a happy ending and people are like, "but they died together" My partner said their son was reaping karma for sleeping with Ed's wife - no chill
@@mr.mysteriousyt6118 even if they had repressurized (and I believe they did) their injuries would have been terminal. Their internal blood would have boiled due to lack of pressure and the resulting bubbles in their blood when they got back inside would have caused embolisms in their organs. So if they didn't die quick, they would have died slow(er) from their injuries anyway.
@@JMChladek during the handshake Frank Sedgwick gets word the reactor is stabilized and the air lock is pressurized and says they made it back and molly lets out huge sigh of happiness
In case someone didn't notice: in the scene were they are at mission control and the alarm goes on on the paper with the schematics of Jamestown you can actually see the planned future modules. So we've already got a sneak peak on what Jamestown is gonna look like in season 3.
@@sjTHEfirst No, not really. It wasn't actually that big. It's really hard to describe it. I suggest you go watch the scene. And we also really don't know if this is really the final design for Jamestown in season 3. I think it's only meant to give us a small sneak peek and get us hyped about season 3.
I cried so much at the end you can see how hurt Ed was I wish Gordo didn’t die he became my favorite and Tracy got my respect at the end but the ending scene going to Mars I can’t wait
@@ryanschweikhardt you telling me to grow up I just a fucking teenager that love space travel and the moon and loves a great show let me just be a fucking teenager
i didnt get why THAT song started playing cuz it was not from that decade, but then when i saw the boots 🥾 on the surface of Mars and it said 1995 i was like OHHHHHHHHHHHH
This show needs to stop killing the best characters! Gordo was my all-time favorite, I cried as hell when they died. What a finale! Can't wait for season 3
@SmithandJones256 they did mention Apollo 1, where 3 famous astronauts died and they were real life people not fictitious, most of the characters are not real but the tragic things really happens, or will be, let's pray it won't.
@SmithandJones256 Are men not allowed to cry . It’s funny how you Americans love freedom so much but get mad at a few men expressing their emotions . Go back to drenching yourself in beer and cigarettes , perpetually feeding your alcohol dependency you sad man .
Tracy was a civilian though isn't the Medal of Honor a military award? Cutoff, when Karen is laying the flowers, is 'NTIAL MEDAL' which would seem appropriately to be the presidential medial of freedom
@@aquamonkee there's real life equivalent of astronauts getting the Medal of Honor for their service. Also, Jamestown had military personal under military command and there's also a precedent for civilians receiving the medal for the same reasons
Thing that pisses me off is that all of this could of been avoided if Webster and her marines weren’t trigger happy and shot the cosmonaut. Also the DoD trying to build nukes on the moon very stupid.
Producing plutonium on the Moon makes zero sense to me. What do you do with it? Manufacturing a bomb or other delivery system is challenge enough on Earth.
The only use for nuclear materials on the moon is reactors to power Jamestown and other bases or as fuel for nuclear powered spacecraft: NERVA, VASIMIR, Orion. As a weapon launched from the Moon could hit anywhere on Earth but would take literally days to cross the distance. Even as a final retaliation weapon it would be poor because the long travel time would make interception very possible.
@@DaveKD actual nuclear rockets could go from the moon to earth in hours and not days. the only reason why normal spacecraft take such a long time is because of G's and all the life support systems and such.
I can watch Tracy and Gordo saving the moon - shining city on the hill of Apollo-Soyuz - Ed shot down Sea Dragon - everything deescalates - funeral sequence 100 times. So God damn moving. The missing man formation, dammit. I forgive all the Karen/Danny drama. It's such a roller coaster from anxiety overload to pure genuine happiness to deep deep sadness.
Karen is just a mess. I thought she finally came on her own by the end of the first season but... I mean Ed is to blame in at as well, while he loves and cares about her, but he doesn't realize she requires more sensitive approach. He defaults to his tough love attitude (like when he puts Gordo back into flight rotation and tharsh talks him to motivate him to turn his life around) but that doesn't work for Karen.
The season finale was beyond my expectations and I expected a lot. I felt bonafide terror when the EBS "This is not a test" card came on the TV with the sirens blaring. It was amazing to see how several individual decisions changed the course from nuclear war to peace, the arcs of the characters paying off really well. Trace and Gordo's deaths was a gut punch, they were 2 of my favorites, but it was played out great.
@@PetePeppers1 I was a kid at the very end of the Cold War and we still practiced 'Duck and Cover' due to a high value strategic target in my city so I have always been fascinated with Cold War history. Probably part of why I find this show so compelling.
Absolutely gripping final for this season. Guess this was "The Red Wedding" Season for this show... Spoilers: Didn't expect them to kill off both of their main actors.
I was shocked when I saw both of them dead. I probably thought they would make it back to earth really injured or something. At least seeing them in the hospital hoping for a recovery in season 3.
I feel like people overplay the red wedding. It wasn't shocking for me at least, the show already established that it'd kill main characters but if we're being honest we all know the main main characters weren't going anywhere
I must say, For All Mankind is one of the best TV show ever. I was hardbroken for Tracy and Gordo, but their heroic death was a great end to their character arc.
The scene where the crews of the two shuttles make eye contact really reminds me of the movie "By Dawn's Early Light" in the ending scene. I don't want to spoil but highly recommend the film
I know exactly which scene you mean. By Dawn's Early Light is one of my favorite movies with terrific performances by the entire cast. I still love that quote from Cassidy, the B-52 pilot to Moreau, his co-pilot "If it is for real, then it's 'Planet of the Apes, darling'." Pretty much says it all about an all out nuclear war.
Yeah, they nailed it. Their have been a few disjointed moments over the two seasons, but I have got to give them credit, that was a nicely done finale. The payoffs were super solid, and nothing felt unnatural- the character development and plot worked exceptionally well together. Your breakdown was on point. IMO, the best episode of the series.
If it was on Netflix or HBO I feel like it would be huge. Apple+ is just too niche. The Morning Show is another one I think would be massive on some other platform.
I really liked Gordo and Stacey’s story arc this season. Honestly, I wasn’t sure about it at first but by the finale it really paid off both the characters and was also deeply heartbreaking. I didn’t even want them to ‘get back together’ in a sense, but dying in an embrace after all they went through was so powerful. I teared up and even tear up just thinking about it. Almost like the embraced bodies frozen in time like they found at Pompeii in their last moments. And they looked so lifeless. Really hit me in the gut. I had to rewatch that scene of them running as their suits are deteriorating. Just wow
The Tracy/Gordo story was handled to my satisfaction even though I had a feeling they would have to sacrifice themselves to save Jamestown. The episode really drew upon the excruciating tension the world experienced during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The language was the same too as the Soviets emphasized that it was a Quarantine due to the Americans introducing weapons to the Moon while the Americans called it a blockade, which is an act of war. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, US Destroyers were dropping non-lethal depth charges on the Soviet submarine, B-59. The sub was not in contact with Moscow and didn't know the situation. The captain wanted to torpedo the US carrier with a nuclear-tipped torpedo. Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov refused to consent to prevent an escalation that would have led to the exchange of nuclear weapons between the USSR and the West. The writers were inspired by this real-world event to have Ed defy orders and destroy the Sea Dragon which helped defuse the confrontation. Nice to see actual history used to inspire the alternate timeline's reality. Too bad they couldn't give us a look at John Lennon's Madison Square Peace Concert. Well, Well, Well will have to do. “Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.” I'm ready to see what is to come in 1995. Let's go explore the Red Planet!
I had instant nightmares the night after the finale. Watching Gordo and Tracy die somehow became the most horrific scene I've ever experienced on t.v. Man I loved that couple!
Ok, here's my question for you. Why didn't they just pull the dead astronaut and cosmonaut from the unpressurised corridor? They would have gotten two slightly shot up suits to patch up with tape. The first thing that comes to mind for me is that they couldn't unpressurise the segment they were in, so they couldn't have safely done it, but I would have liked it of they at least considered it.
I said that too ...do the tape thing and exhale etc then drag suits in ....even just 1 suit would do....then patch with tape ...even just using the radio to call another suited person to do it. But maybe there wasn't enough time??? They wouldn't need much time at all to drag in the 1 body outside the door.
@@micart79 From what I read they wanted to kill both them off as they felt their stories were complete and probably they didn't have much for them to do in s3. Really baller way to go, maybe wish it would have been done with a bit more thought behind it.
They probably wouldn't have had the time. Depressurising, repressurising and then depressurising again takes a long time, many hours at least. On the other hand, it seemed to go pretty quickly during the Apollo-Soyuz docking, but that just equalising two already pressurised spaces. From the moment they realised the situation and what had to be done, Tracy and Gordo didn't waste any time. Not even for a final smoke or a quick kiss or embrace, before sacrificing their lives in a desperate mankind saving mission with hopeless odds.
They could have just mentioned it and said no time for that. I don't recall if they stated how much time they had. It's an inconsistency that puts a damper on shows. It's still one of my favorite shows, first being The Expanse then Star Trek.
A)Because the corridor was unpressurized and would have lead to the depressurization of the galley. They would have died if they tried it, because it would have taken too long to attempt to open the door and then repressurize it (if repressurization was even a possibility since the galley wasn't supposed to be depressurized as it was the original main room to the Jamestown base)there also isn't a guarantee they could get that door closed again. B)The door opened OUTWARD, and Vance and the dead cosmonaut were laying in front of a door that would be hard to open due to the depressurized corridor as it was. C) they only had 45 minutes before the meltdown started by the time they got into contact with Houston and knew they needed to do something (Margo said 45 minutes I think) D) the suit Vance was in, was shot more than once as was the cosmonaut suit and therefore wouldn't have provided any extra protection than the duct tape, even if they taped it (especially if any shots hit the helmet). Look what happened to the Cosmonaut suits when they were shot near the mine and the other Marine who was shot but lived. E) Gordo mentions to Molly that the Soviets shut down the base comms, meaning they had no way to communicate with anyone. Their only comm was with JSC, and that didn't link into the suits anymore because all comms for suits and such ran through ops comm (where the invasion occurred)
@SmithandJones256 Real men don't flinch from hetero-toxic masculinity and will still cry or feel as human beings with real emotions beyond "beer! tits! guns! I'm no1!" mentality 👍
When the scene cut to the funeral there were three coffins, though wasn't there four astronauts who died on Jamestown? Gordo, Trace, Vance, and the other astronaut that got sucked into space.
The astronaut that got sucked into space when the russians attacked, wasn't he saved and then held hostage by the russians? They offered to exchange him for the defector.
I started watching season one yesterday, and could not stop. I am now crying as I just finished season two. I was moved, elated, sad, worried, my emotions were all over the place. Man I haven’t felt this way since “ lost” I felt like I was there. Anyway back to reality 👍 up this is binge worthy.
I thought blowing up the Sea Dragon felt a bit disjointed. That to me was the only part of the finale that felt off. Ed basically made that decision without knowing much of what was going on everywhere else. It seems out of character for him to take such an action without having more info about the situation. And I didn’t think they established Sally Ride enough as a powerful moral authority for her to be what persuaded him. Maybe I missed something. Having grown up in the Reagan years, he was much more a diplomatic statesman in his role here than in our reality. It’s hard to imagine Reagan and Andropov backing off so rapidly and cleanly in most any timeline. Maybe that’s because living through that decade still feels like a miracle to me. The whole Sergei thing seemed like a twist that’s hard to pay off with such a massive time jump between seasons. It hints that the Soviet Union may still exist in Season 3, but it’s also true that in our reality that old Soviet stuff just passed right on into Russia and kept going. So who knows. The best idea I can come up with is that the result is that information passed back and forth in their relationship (assuming they hook up) screws up both space programs and allows the Chinese to get to Mars first. But that’s a stretch I know. The Tracy/Gordo ending got me way more than I thought it would. I was surprised how emotional I got. I hate seeing them off the show, but it was such a beautiful and surprising note to end a chaotic love story on. I honestly can’t remember a love story on screen that came to an end in such a sad, powerful, yet satisfying way. Dani got her time to shine and save the world, and now she and Ellen both have their hero moments. Surely they will both have political futures in S3. Overall, best finale I’ve seen in ages.
Overall too much plot. -Marines not watching their sides? -Reactor meltdown but only on the one that was installed secretly. -Spacewalk for 20 seconds, which obviously was much more. -Instadeath after fullfilling purpose. -Out of character actions. -Allknowing characters. -Luckily Tracy wanted a snack or a smoke and was where she was. -Everyone is basically unable to shoot after being hit by a bullet, except for the plot russian that has to hit the reactor control at some point. -Lift capabilities of a seadragon and no bulletproof glas? -No Kevlar? -Why are the AK's black while the M4's had to be white due to heat? (destroying its own continuity) -The russians basically invaded american territory and Ed would not do anything knowing his best friend was right down there? -Who TF is Sally Ride compared to Ed, he'd not give a shit about her in that current mindset. He showed nearly no empathy for Gordo when he was at his lowest, but surely listens to her... All in all way too predictable. I knew showrunners wouldnt have the Balls for WW3 so Pathfinder HAD to shoot the Seadragon. As soon as they were in Orbit I knew the end. Also, I knew Gordo would die in this season and, taking tom as an example, the showrunners did the laziest job on delivering this. They give you a bit of insight and show that one is not as bad as you might guess and when you come to terms with it, they'll kill them, because they don't know how to further use them in their story. God I've seen this over and over in different series and movies and this is so annyoing. Like, Imagine my doctor dying, because he finished operating my broken foot. This is basically the film-logic used here and I hate it.
In our 'timeline' all the Soviet-US tensions reached a climax and dissolved during the presidency of Georhe HW Bush. Who actually was that type of statesman. 1988-1992 was a pivotal time period that happened like being on several high speed roller coasters with corkscrews at the same time, all over the world. In 1988 everything looked bleak on all fronts, in 1989 the turns started (to become tangible) and by 1992 the world as a whole was suddenly clearly in a much better place. It still gives me the creeps when wondering what a few what-ifs-gone-wrong in that time frame could have caused. The show was amazing in conveying the climate of Cold War tensions and antagonism in the late 1980s that had casually permeated everything.
I think some of it too is that the USSR is far more powerful because it didn't engage Afghanistan, and Reagan came to power 4 years earlier. We hadn't given up the Canal, which turned Panama against us (which in our timeline happened in 1989). Reagan did send the ability to build nukes on the moon when he sent the weapons reactor. But I think the fact that his more aggressive actions (like the canal and weaponizing the moon with marines and future nukes) brought the world to the brink of nuclear war did make him step back (we never really went to the brink under Reagan and the USSR was weakening which is where the Tear down this wall speech came from). Also the fact that you have people like Ellen in the cabinet may have offered a less group think mentality than we saw in RL.
imho. I think season 3 will develop toward private enterprise entering the space business. How difficult it will be to manage a colony built from nothing with private interests, espionage or greed even? When Karen and Danny were in bed talking together, she mentions that the first person to sell tickets to space will make so much money. At the ending of season 2 she's going back to college to study business....just saying, my own humble opinion
@@xyinterrupted Good point! We also can't forget about the teaser with the Russians planning to use Margo for their own nefarious plans, whatever they will be...
Just finished season 2 and watching your vids to look for anything I might have been missed. RIP Gordo and felt really bad for Ed. Guy lost his best buddy.
Just watched the season 2 finale (after being watching whole series over the last week) tear jerker for sure! Overall a great series, WORTH the subscription price alone!
Gordo’s redemption arc was amazing, and that scene was the best in the season. But it was bugging me because they could’ve temporarily depressurized and grabbed Vance from outside the door and patched his suit with duct tape. The damaged suit would’ve given Gordo plenty of time to do everything and make it back alive.
If they grabbed the suit, it would've been an unnecessary risk. There's no guarantee they would've been able to depressurize, haul a heavy body in which would take quite a while, and then repressurize without losing too much air and suffocating right there and then. They'd die just by trying to do that, especially cause the door opens outwards and the body was right in front of the door. So you add onto the fact that you have to grab a grown mans body and push and pull a heavy ass door while pulling the body in? No, it wouldn't work.
Damn this finale is a masterclass in writing. The set-up, build-up, and pay-off is so suspensful and finally rewarding. RDM is a genius. So many Star Trek cameos in this season. EXCITED FOR MARS 1995.
Moore is super talented. But don’t forget there are eight other writers on the series (most of whom are also producers).., working in very collaborative ways.
I was rooting for the Stevens so much but it was realistic that they wouldn't survive that. I was so sad since I didn't want Gordo to die like the insiders say but I really didn't expect Tracy to die. Overall this whole season was amazing and the show itself is amazing I can't wait for season 3 and im so curious to what will and would happen in season 3.
I for one am really going to miss seeing Tracy and how cold they kept it at Jamestown. In all seriousness, FAM is the best sci fi being aired today. Bar none. Not the Expanse, None of the trek series, Not the Mandalorian. This is the best sci fi because in the end this is a good show first and the sci fi is bonus.
Being a really big fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek, I must say, The Mandalorian was epic in a fun way, and none of the current Star Trek shows even come close to FAM and give any intriguing stories...It is true though, FAM is a really freaking good tv show...I hope we get more seasons after season 3...I absolutely love this show
As a guy who went through the real cold war at the sharper end of the sword, you don't know how close we came to nuclear annihilation in such a similar manner. Too close, too many times.
Able Archer '83....the Soviet shoot down of KAL 007 were a couple of instances that stoke the flames during this period. United States deployment of nuclear tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles and Pershing II MRBMs didn't help the peace cause....even though they were meant to counter Soviet SS-20. I was in Italy at the time and 16 years old at the time wondering if humans would make it out of the 20th century. I joined the Navy in 1986....then the cold War ended and as 22 year old breathed a sigh of relief. Now we have wanna be Soviet Premier Putin trying to bring back the good old USSR.
Two things, one, I totally agree with you on the old tv look. I felt like that gave the funeral a simple little touch. Second, thank you for making these reviews and the amount of details! Looking forward to season 3!
The Pathfinder crew crucially prevented escalation to Mutually Assured Destruction, but in a way that will remain secret and awkwardly followed the Apollo-Soyuz breakthrough. So I say give Dani Poole a goddamn Medal of Honor for pulling the superpowers back from the brink of war by publicly defying orders at the best possible time. And a promotion for thinking ahead of her bosses. And Ed Baldwin? Give him Bradford's job.
I’m late to this series but this is my favorite episode so far, I was sad when they were found dead since they were really good characters from the beginning. I was shocked by the transformation of the guy that plays Gordo since he looks completely different from one season to the next. This is a really good show and I’m glad that I can binge it. I’m looking forward to see where it goes.
I lived through all that IRL. I was thirteen when we landed on Moon. My dad worked high security for a subcontractor to JPL in communications for spacecraft. I sat every week with him to watch Star Trek. It's a personal pain for me that humanity never progressed as we'd imagined back then, and that now, the future of space flight is in the hands of narcissistic billionaires. This finale had me in tears from start to end. Part of that was the very real possibility we could have ignited mutually insured destruction. Maybe we dodged a bullet. What if there were no Doritos?
Narcissistic billionaires? You’ve got to be joking, right? Since when did it become arrogant, self-centered, or lacking of empathy to want to advance space exploration? To make us humans an interplanetary species? Take Elon Musk. When PayPal was sold to eBay in 2002 he received 165 million USD. What did he do? He put it all in SpaceX and Tesla with the goals to advance our species technology. Had he been even remotely narcissistic he would probably have put it all in stocks, as to maximize profit.
Really great video! Chekhov's gun (Чеховское ружьё) - "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired ..." The airlock, of course. Foreshadowing danger which is required to move the story.
I think the Russians will make it to Mars first. In the ending scene, the boots were the same ones the Soviets had on while raiding Jamestown. The suit has the same blue stripe on the leg too.
In 1995, the USSR has disappeared, this alternative history does not solve for the Russians, the reasons that will cause their fall. So I wonder where we are going to go, talk about the history of Russian-Nasa cooperation? Russia of Boris will try to take Margot while Russia has become poor?
I really liked season 1, was a bit skeptical about season 2 because of the first trailer i saw (too "action movie" for me), decided to watch it anyway and i have no regrets doing so, feeling it's even better than season 1. For the mars mission in 1995, we can't know which side the astronaut is, but i would love to see it happen in the middle of season 3, like they did with the sea dragon launch in 1983 with actually happen on the middle of season 2.
I was just talking to a friend how there isn't any good shows after you watch the big ones. I signed up for Apple TV, just to watch Masters Of The Sky and figured I had some free days. Then I see this 4 season show about spy shit, 80's (before and after). I watched the first two seasons in one day. I really did. Never has a show hit me in the gut, in the head. I'm a little biased for growing up in the 80's. These characters become almost family. I'm a grown man and I haven't cried, like a good one, in decades. I might of had one coming but when Gordo and Tracy passed the way they did, I got sucker punched. What a well written show, even 80's WWF references, just loved this. This is probably the best show I seen in so long and just I'm so amazed. I hope more Apple Plus content is of the caliber I seen. I'm not a iPhone guy and I cast my screen just to watch it and will watch the next two seasons.
Having the Stevens actually make it to the airlock was some amazing writing. I genuinely had a strong sense of hope that they were gonna make it through all that after being so sure that they would die outside the hab and the shock hits ya. Great ending to their whole relationship and arc.
in OUR universe it didn't. But they discover when Buran is close to launching that somehow the Soviets got ahold of US shuttles plans that pre-date them finding the O-Ring issue. Just because OUR worlds Buran didn't use O-Rings, doesn't mean theirs wouldn't have initially. Its not called ALTERNATE HISTORY for nothing.
It was kinda weird how Tracy's husband Sam was nowhere to be seen in the funeral. But nonetheless I teared up during the scene Ed and Karen paid respects to their fallen friends. A fine finale indeed. Third season has got be interesting with humanity finally reaching Mars, and I couldn't help but to be reminded of The Expanse.... I love both shows and apparently both of them are gonna involve Earth and Mars being important pieces of their respective universes.
Sam was actually shown for like a second or two, being present there, on TV broadcast. As for later, more private gathering with Baldwins and Stevens brothers, yup, he wasn’t there - maybe he left while earlier, who knows! Anyways I agree, great finale we unfortunately saw coming [but I didn’t personally think they both gonna die :( ] As for Mars, I love it! I’m hoping it will not turn into second Moon with almost identical scenario, but we shall see, all we can do now is wait, but oh man, that’s gonna be longer wait than we would wish! Should I watch The Expanse in meanwhile, is it comparable to FAM? Need something to fill up this gap I guess 😅
This episode screamed WE HAVE MORE SEASONS SO WE NEED TO IMMEDIATETLY de escalate all the tension and storylines we just built up... It had about 4 or 5 possible Opportunites for some insane turns, and they took every single one and just gave it an easy out... amazing show, but I don't think I've ever seen WE CANT END THE SHOW YET so hard
Damn that episode was crazy. The first 3/4s was so tense I could barely move. I figured Tracey and or Gordo would die, but I hoped they didn't do it in a bad way, like them getting shot, or caught somewhere during depressurization. I think the way they went out was really moving. Also Nirvanas "Come as you are" at the end there definitely signals we will be seeing a time skip to the early 90s.
A spectacular finale with, of course, some tears over Gordo and Tracy not making it. I wasn't a Reagan fan but I actually could envision him, after watching the handshake and realizing the US and USSR were on the brink of a no-win nuclear war, calling Andropov from Air Force One and saying he's coming to Moscow to talk. And of the course the final scene setting up Season 3 was great. Ronald D. Moore has said that the series potentially has a seven season run, jumping a decade in each one. Can't wait for number three to air.
I have never seen this show... never even heard of it. I'm here because another video talked about the probability of the duct tape spacesuit working and I wanted to know about the show. All that said, your season 2 recap is excellent! Coming from zero information, I was able to follow with ease. I'm impressed with the rollercoaster story and your ability to summarize and theorize. (*I wonder if anyone remembered to retrieve their colleague from the bunker.)
I'm wondering if the USSR is still going to be around in Season 3. There will definitely be changes without the war in Afghanistan and the absence of Reagan from 1984 onwards, but I'm also wondering if Chernobyl is still going to happen - it had a big impact on the Soviets. Andropov opened things up to criticism, but refused to change from the command economy established by Stalin. A reformer like Gorbachev, or the man himself, might come along to do reforms to the USSR without the constant pressure Reagan exerted on them in OTL (Our TimeLine). I can't see any of OTL's figures in the USSR, even Gorbachev, reforming the Soviet Union as Deng Xiaoping did in the PRC in OTL. Gorbachev's reforms were meant to prop up the centrally planned economy, not transition to market socialism, and all his free speech and democratization policies were unpopular with officials in the Communist Party. If Gorbachev comes to power without undue pressure from the USA and a drag from a war in Afghanistan, the USSR could plod on into the 1990s as a second rate economic power compared to OTL's PRC, but I can't see the Warsaw Pact surviving unless Gorbachev is removed from power in a quiet coup. Boris Yeltsin will probably remain a radical unknown. Putin might begin his ascent politically during the 1990s that might see him as a candidate for General Secretary during Season 3 and he might put himself across as the sort of market socialism reformer for the USSR that Deng was for the PRC in OTL.
Maybe. It's possible that the continued competition between the USA and USSR in the Space Race of the FOA TL could have led Mao to give more funding to the PRC's Project 714, the Shuguang (Dawn) spacecraft, instead of canceling it in 1972 as he did in OTL. There could have been a first Chinese manned spacecraft in orbit in 1973, as originally planned, rather than OTL's 2003 with the Shenzhou. The PRC could have their own base on the moon by 1995, but I don't see them wanting international cooperation with either the USA or USSR. India received help with its first couple launches from the USSR, but its dedication to the Non-Aligned Movement during the Cold War would, I think, leave it relatively low in space development - launching satellites into orbit or maybe even small payloads to the moon - as in OTL, especially with the Cold War possibly lasting even longer in the FOA TL and the flashpoint that the moon became in 1983.
18:34 it's a blue stripe on the pants, it's a cosmonaut, russian won. 3:25 for comparisons on the cosmonaut suit. Russians have a long stripe on the pants, astronauts have red rings not stripes. So there you go.
There were so many great little details in this finale. The silent shootout sequence in the depressurized corridor was so intense, and it was just one of many. Dani makes her decision not to wait her turn, Tracy telling Gordo she makes the suit sing, Margo wrapping the number around a Tootsie Roll, the run on toilet paper at the stores, Sally Ride pulling out her piece, and those empty rooms with TVs playing the handshake. A lot to talk about, and I will follow up with a season 3 questions video in the next couple of days. Let me know where you’re at on that.
Soviets: if you don’t submit we will destroy the sea dragon!
Ed: not if I destroy it first! YEET
It all came down to the quote Poole quoted from Star Trek
1. the trailer for S2 was fake with 12-20 marines on rovers with guns (i thought that was gonna be the finally battle/siege).
1.5 fake trailers/scenes are common now with modern tv shows. or they just skipped/deleted that part of the show
2. Why Panama is so important in this timeline the Suez cannel is still closed so alot shipping traffic is coming through it.
3. we are never told why its so important to retake that cosmonaut or why he's defecting is he Christian/Jewish or just want a better life American Hamburgers. 3. IRL The Soviets had Generals/Colonel defecting all the time that it wasn't that big of a deal.
4. The Soviets weren't acknowledge the mining claims by the U.S,A. 4.5 which started the marines bring guns to the Moon to reclaim their mining site.
5. we aren't told if the truth about gordo's episode on the moon is told/leaked.
6. the last part with the russians i didn't get/have subtitles on so i'll have to go back and rewatch it.
I'm 99% sure that human on mars is cosmonaut because in episode 9 we see shoes of cosmonaut and they are identical to that of human on mars
When is the next saison
Gordo's redemption arc was perfect. Tracy too.
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I cheered when JSC said Gordo and Tracy had made it back to the airlock but I was worried why they didn’t show it, but my heart sunk when we actually see what happened. Their storyline was the best of the season.
In cried I wasn’t expecting it and then as it faded into the American flag it was so sad
@@muddywisconsin Really reminded me of the end of Saving Private Ryan, with Ryan standing over Captain Miller’s grave and fading to the 🇺🇸
I cried my eyes out.
Yeah, I didn't think that they were going to make it and was shocked that they actually got back to the airlock. I didn't want them to die but at the same time it would've totally destroyed any realism had they survived. I was expecting them to just kinda lean back against the outer walls of Jamestown, leaning on each other as they watched the sun and have a fade out/white out that way to show that they'd died.
One thing I did notice on her tombstone is that they'd awarded Tracy the CMH along with Gordo, which I have to figure that they either: A. made a special provision for her being a civilian since she did go out into hard vac with Gordo to save the base, or B. Astronauts are allowed to earn military awards and decorations in this timeline because of all the work they do for the military or something. Or combination thereof.
@@dieseljester3466 i was also confused why Trace got a MOH, it should be Presidential Medal of Freedom since she's civilian.
You know a show is good when a character death hits you like a truck. This one hit me like a propane tank moving at orbital velocity.
It hit me like a fuel tank being thrown from a reusable lunar lander to a Apollo capsule
@@fullyarmedbattletoaster8596 "I've got an idea! In space, Anyone can throw a ball like Joe Namath" - Ellen Wilson
It happened to me before with Ned Stark's death. I can’t believe I feel this way again.
I went into it fully expecting someone is going to die. Maybe more than one person. I'd say Ed was prime candidate, or either Gordo or Tracy, hell I'd even expect some random death for Karen before I expected both Stevens would die.
@@CrazyChemistPL I expected Gordo to have something happen, but prayed that it wouldn't, especially after everything he went through and struggled through.
The space coupe died on the moon. My god that is the best episode of tv I’ve seen in a while.
Agreed!
I've seen vids both animals and humans tried in a vacuum chamber, survived, but that is in stationary, running 25meters and back is a different thing, suicidal mission. I'm sure some UA-camrs will context it.
At least Gordo made good on his word. He got Tracy back if only briefly.
love and death in the stars.
I cried my eyes out when that scene was going on and thinking about afterwards, it was so sad 😭 Gordon was my favorite
I have never cried so much over the death of a character as over the death of the Stevens. I was so shocked by this scene that I thought they were just unconscious. But when they showed the funeral ... I burst into tears ...
A truly beautiful, but truly tragic ending
I mean honestly if they lived that, that would of destroyed any realism the show has left, and it isn't much lol.
@@OldSchoolMinded I agree, realism is above this, but it's still very sad to see two beautiful characters that you fell in love with during this season die.
@@user-jt3hz7fj7x Вообще не могу представить, как теперь буду смотреть 3 сезон. Гордо стал для меня самым любимым персонажем, наряду с Марго
Надеюсь, к моменту выхода нового сезона я уже "успокоюсь" и смогу посмотреть, но пока так
I found it incredibly sad. They just said “I love you” to each other and they then had to save the whole moon. The hardest part for me to watch was the blood coming out of them while they were running. I’m still in shock and still feel sick to my stomach over their death.
Sorry for going off a little bit there. I just really fucking loved the Stevens. It was really hard for me to watch.
@@user-jt3hz7fj7x Вообще никакой, кроме того, что съемки начались в прошлом месяце
I probably would've shed a tear if Ed said quietly "Bye Bob" to Gordo's casket.
Definitely a missed opportunity
It was good as it was, but this would have topped it!
I was whispering exactly that as Dani approached Ed.
oh fuck now i'm crying, thanks a lot
I wish Danny saw him crying and approached like she did but instead of hugging him she looks at the casket and with a sad serious face says “Bye Bob”
And Ed snickers for a tiny moment without losing his sadness or breaking eye contact with Gordo’s casket, like the quick exhale you make when you try and suppress a laugh.
Or Ed reacts with a hint of a tiny smile on one half of his face.
This episode nearly gave me a heart attack and instead broke it. I wanted to see Gordo and Tracy back together, not dead together.
You nailed it perfectly! I love your comment. I've watched 4 series now with Michael in it, and each one gets better and better. I'm so pissed that they killed him off. On to his next show. I will watch seas 3 but not with the same intensity of interest and excitement.
That’s exactly what I want to hear and say. Comment well noted 👍
Man this show is so damn good. Intense ending to a season.
That gordo and tracy scene was brutal.
Still hate karen with all my guts
this show is amazing , and it gets no love/hype like most other shows.
@@EKFiPod no but you don't understand how much rage, hostility and loathing deprecation I have against Karen for her betrayal especially when she slept her dead sons Best friend
1995, we are going to mars, i cant wait for season 3
9:44 when they were showing the empty rooms, I had a feeling of dread because it was so quiet and I was just waiting for the bright flash of a bomb going off in the window and the world to end.
I felt for a moment that the nukes would start flying
I’ve seen NuBSG. I was prepared for a montage of nuked Earth.
Gordo's and Tracy's ark was a real one-two punch in the gut... I thought they were not gonna make it for sure, but when they made it to the airlock I had some hope. It made me mad knowing they died because of the military people were keeping secrets from their own astronauts and taking stupid risks with the second reactor...
The deception around the second reactor added insult to injury.
Worst part was how dead they looked to me the art department really earned their paycheck.
They just need to explain how do you fit 2 fission reactors in a 3 room base and keep one fission reactor a secret along the way. I guess no one stopped and asked "Yo, John, what's that thing that's installed around the corner?", and NASA that has sensors for the entire base, simply missed that there is a whole bloody extra reactor there.
@@Wustenfuchs109 RIGHT!? Like how big is this freaking reactor and where is it? Did they bury it or something and then just neglected to tell anyone about it?
@@Wustenfuchs109 yeah and it had easily accessible control panels on the outside of the base. Like what?
Michael Dorman gained 40 lbs for the start of S2 and then managed to lose it over six weeks. damn.
@Dani Masterson Right!
@Dani Masterson He would have known the season arc, he and the show were dedicated, good for each other.
@@PoliticalJames michael dorman gave an interview explaining how/why he decided to actually gain and lose the weight during filiming
Dammit gordo and Tracy. I wanted them to have a happy ending and people are like, "but they died together"
My partner said their son was reaping karma for sleeping with Ed's wife - no chill
It's not the ending I would have picked, but it sure was thrilling to watch.
i think they made it and closed the door but didnt have time to push the pressure button
@@mr.mysteriousyt6118 even if they had repressurized (and I believe they did) their injuries would have been terminal. Their internal blood would have boiled due to lack of pressure and the resulting bubbles in their blood when they got back inside would have caused embolisms in their organs. So if they didn't die quick, they would have died slow(er) from their injuries anyway.
@@JMChladek during the handshake Frank Sedgwick gets word the reactor is stabilized and the air lock is pressurized and says they made it back and molly lets out huge sigh of happiness
could they have gone into the other airlock? I guess the Russians were there but better than the way
In case someone didn't notice: in the scene were they are at mission control and the alarm goes on on the paper with the schematics of Jamestown you can actually see the planned future modules. So we've already got a sneak peak on what Jamestown is gonna look like in season 3.
The air raid siren or the pressure alarm?
@@jadennelson7886 The scene with the air raid siren
Thx
Did it look like Moonbase Alpha?
@@sjTHEfirst No, not really. It wasn't actually that big. It's really hard to describe it. I suggest you go watch the scene. And we also really don't know if this is really the final design for Jamestown in season 3. I think it's only meant to give us a small sneak peek and get us hyped about season 3.
I cried so much at the end you can see how hurt Ed was I wish Gordo didn’t die he became my favorite and Tracy got my respect at the end but the ending scene going to Mars I can’t wait
I agree
Grow up
@SmithandJones256 probably with the steady decline of testosterone and the feminization of men
@@ryanschweikhardt you telling me to grow up I just a fucking teenager that love space travel and the moon and loves a great show let me just be a fucking teenager
@SmithandJones256 I’m a teenager that loves space travel and a great story and characters screw off
The Martian Congressional Republic will not be happy that earthers are on the surface of Mars
Draper! You're up!
I'm pretty sure these earthers will BECOME the MCRN.
Sequester the visiting earthers to that one shetty cowboy bar and grill that Alex liked alot. That should do the trick.
Hi Bobbie
You inners are all the same! The Belt is the future!
"Come As You Are" started playing, and I felt it in my bones
Forreal, the BEST cliffhanger I’ve seen in a TV show in a while. Fitting song, and it got me HYPED!!
i didnt get why THAT song started playing cuz it was not from that decade, but then when i saw the boots 🥾 on the surface of Mars and it said 1995 i was like OHHHHHHHHHHHH
This show needs to stop killing the best characters! Gordo was my all-time favorite, I cried as hell when they died.
What a finale! Can't wait for season 3
yeah but realism you know
Gordo was also my favorite character I'm so pissed!
It's sad, but Gordo did take Tracy back, come hell or high water, even the vaccum of space.
@SmithandJones256 they did mention Apollo 1, where 3 famous astronauts died and they were real life people not fictitious, most of the characters are not real but the tragic things really happens, or will be, let's pray it won't.
@SmithandJones256 Are men not allowed to cry . It’s funny how you Americans love freedom so much but get mad at a few men expressing their emotions . Go back to drenching yourself in beer and cigarettes , perpetually feeding your alcohol dependency you sad man .
Was also a nice touch that both Gordon and Tracy both got Congressional Medals of Honor as well
Tracy was a civilian though isn't the Medal of Honor a military award? Cutoff, when Karen is laying the flowers, is 'NTIAL MEDAL' which would seem appropriately to be the presidential medial of freedom
@@aquamonkee She did serve in a military capacity as pilot for the moonrine missions
@@aquamonkee Maybe her being an astronaut is akin to being in the military in this world.
@@aquamonkee there's real life equivalent of astronauts getting the Medal of Honor for their service.
Also, Jamestown had military personal under military command and there's also a precedent for civilians receiving the medal for the same reasons
@@aquamonkee there were some civilians whom received MOH
Thing that pisses me off is that all of this could of been avoided if Webster and her marines weren’t trigger happy and shot the cosmonaut. Also the DoD trying to build nukes on the moon very stupid.
@marcus velasquez or could have spoke some english, since, ya know, one of them spoke some english
Or had that one Russian just not defected. Like why would he want that after his comrades and him were shot?
Producing plutonium on the Moon makes zero sense to me. What do you do with it? Manufacturing a bomb or other delivery system is challenge enough on Earth.
The only use for nuclear materials on the moon is reactors to power Jamestown and other bases or as fuel for nuclear powered spacecraft: NERVA, VASIMIR, Orion. As a weapon launched from the Moon could hit anywhere on Earth but would take literally days to cross the distance. Even as a final retaliation weapon it would be poor because the long travel time would make interception very possible.
@@DaveKD actual nuclear rockets could go from the moon to earth in hours and not days.
the only reason why normal spacecraft take such a long time is because of G's and all the life support systems and such.
I can watch Tracy and Gordo saving the moon - shining city on the hill of Apollo-Soyuz - Ed shot down Sea Dragon - everything deescalates - funeral sequence 100 times. So God damn moving. The missing man formation, dammit. I forgive all the Karen/Danny drama. It's such a roller coaster from anxiety overload to pure genuine happiness to deep deep sadness.
That missing man formation....damn, I've done that for lost skydiving friends in freefall...it's so freaking emotional.
I couldn't hold the tears anymore when I saw the missing man formation.
Союз - Apollo.
Karen is just a mess. I thought she finally came on her own by the end of the first season but... I mean Ed is to blame in at as well, while he loves and cares about her, but he doesn't realize she requires more sensitive approach. He defaults to his tough love attitude (like when he puts Gordo back into flight rotation and tharsh talks him to motivate him to turn his life around) but that doesn't work for Karen.
@@CrazyChemistPL we’ll see season 3 if their marriage survived.
This show is interstellar.
Gordo and Tracy’s death is one I will never get over.
It hit so hard.
This is seriously one of the best hours of television I've watched since probably breaking bad, my God. More people should be watching this show!
Just relized that Doritos freakin saved Jamestown like if she never wanted Doritos Jamestown would be filled wit radiation for a thousand years
This is why I eat Doritos, you never know when it could help save a base on the moon.
@@joshuajoe1419 😭😭
Jamestown? Hell. Doritos led to events that helped stave off nuclear war.
Doritos saved the world.
Like the rat in Endgame
@@ChaoticBattleCamel bro swear tho like if the rat touches a diff button ant man would still be there the true hero of endgame was THE RAT👑
RIP Gordo & Tracy :´(
The season finale was beyond my expectations and I expected a lot. I felt bonafide terror when the EBS "This is not a test" card came on the TV with the sirens blaring. It was amazing to see how several individual decisions changed the course from nuclear war to peace, the arcs of the characters paying off really well.
Trace and Gordo's deaths was a gut punch, they were 2 of my favorites, but it was played out great.
Yeah, the emergency broadcast was a trip. Always wondered what would happen if it wasn't a test haha
@@PetePeppers1 I was a kid at the very end of the Cold War and we still practiced 'Duck and Cover' due to a high value strategic target in my city so I have always been fascinated with Cold War history. Probably part of why I find this show so compelling.
Absolutely gripping final for this season. Guess this was "The Red Wedding" Season for this show...
Spoilers:
Didn't expect them to kill off both of their main actors.
George R.R. Martin: Seriously? You thought that was shocking?
I was shocked when I saw both of them dead. I probably thought they would make it back to earth really injured or something. At least seeing them in the hospital hoping for a recovery in season 3.
I feel like people overplay the red wedding. It wasn't shocking for me at least, the show already established that it'd kill main characters but if we're being honest we all know the main main characters weren't going anywhere
Felt more like Neds beheading. For me at least.
Felt more like Grenn and Pips death at the battle for the Wall, both died defending their own. Both couples went out like badasses
I must say, For All Mankind is one of the best TV show ever. I was hardbroken for Tracy and Gordo, but their heroic death was a great end to their character arc.
The scene where the crews of the two shuttles make eye contact really reminds me of the movie "By Dawn's Early Light" in the ending scene. I don't want to spoil but highly recommend the film
I know exactly which scene you mean. By Dawn's Early Light is one of my favorite movies with terrific performances by the entire cast. I still love that quote from Cassidy, the B-52 pilot to Moreau, his co-pilot "If it is for real, then it's 'Planet of the Apes, darling'." Pretty much says it all about an all out nuclear war.
RIP THE STEVENS. Such a good couple throughout the whole series... It is really sad that their story had to finish that way
13:18 Gorbachev is still alive and may get a bit upset when people used his image and called him Andropov.
🤣🤣🤣
That’s who was in power. Old commies were fickle with nukes and fearful of getting nuke first
Yeah, they nailed it. Their have been a few disjointed moments over the two seasons, but I have got to give them credit, that was a nicely done finale. The payoffs were super solid, and nothing felt unnatural- the character development and plot worked exceptionally well together. Your breakdown was on point. IMO, the best episode of the series.
It's not a perfect series as you say, but they did put together the path to an impressive conclusion.
@@PetePeppers1 Honestly what show is perfectly, every show has there weak links, I seriously can’t think of any perfect shows.
@@joshuajoe1419 no doubt.
Such an underrated show
If it was on Netflix or HBO I feel like it would be huge. Apple+ is just too niche. The Morning Show is another one I think would be massive on some other platform.
I really liked Gordo and Stacey’s story arc this season. Honestly, I wasn’t sure about it at first but by the finale it really paid off both the characters and was also deeply heartbreaking. I didn’t even want them to ‘get back together’ in a sense, but dying in an embrace after all they went through was so powerful. I teared up and even tear up just thinking about it. Almost like the embraced bodies frozen in time like they found at Pompeii in their last moments. And they looked so lifeless. Really hit me in the gut. I had to rewatch that scene of them running as their suits are deteriorating. Just wow
The Tracy/Gordo story was handled to my satisfaction even though I had a feeling they would have to sacrifice themselves to save Jamestown. The episode really drew upon the excruciating tension the world experienced during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The language was the same too as the Soviets emphasized that it was a Quarantine due to the Americans introducing weapons to the Moon while the Americans called it a blockade, which is an act of war. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, US Destroyers were dropping non-lethal depth charges on the Soviet submarine, B-59. The sub was not in contact with Moscow and didn't know the situation. The captain wanted to torpedo the US carrier with a nuclear-tipped torpedo. Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov refused to consent to prevent an escalation that would have led to the exchange of nuclear weapons between the USSR and the West. The writers were inspired by this real-world event to have Ed defy orders and destroy the Sea Dragon which helped defuse the confrontation. Nice to see actual history used to inspire the alternate timeline's reality. Too bad they couldn't give us a look at John Lennon's Madison Square Peace Concert. Well, Well, Well will have to do. “Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.” I'm ready to see what is to come in 1995. Let's go explore the Red Planet!
Here it is, been refreshing for hours!
good thing you get to enjoy it before the Josh fight tomorrow
Same
“As I walk this land of broken dreams”
“I have visions of many things”
@@lieutenantflyboy "But happiness is just an illusion"
@The Harry Channel “what becomes of the brokenhearted?”
@@luiscruz4525 Who had love that's now departed?
@The Harry Channel "some mind of place of mind"
I had instant nightmares the night after the finale. Watching Gordo and Tracy die somehow became the most horrific scene I've ever experienced on t.v. Man I loved that couple!
Ok, here's my question for you. Why didn't they just pull the dead astronaut and cosmonaut from the unpressurised corridor? They would have gotten two slightly shot up suits to patch up with tape. The first thing that comes to mind for me is that they couldn't unpressurise the segment they were in, so they couldn't have safely done it, but I would have liked it of they at least considered it.
I said that too ...do the tape thing and exhale etc then drag suits in ....even just 1 suit would do....then patch with tape ...even just using the radio to call another suited person to do it. But maybe there wasn't enough time??? They wouldn't need much time at all to drag in the 1 body outside the door.
@@micart79 From what I read they wanted to kill both them off as they felt their stories were complete and probably they didn't have much for them to do in s3. Really baller way to go, maybe wish it would have been done with a bit more thought behind it.
They probably wouldn't have had the time. Depressurising, repressurising and then depressurising again takes a long time, many hours at least.
On the other hand, it seemed to go pretty quickly during the Apollo-Soyuz docking, but that just equalising two already pressurised spaces.
From the moment they realised the situation and what had to be done, Tracy and Gordo didn't waste any time. Not even for a final smoke or a quick kiss or embrace, before sacrificing their lives in a desperate mankind saving mission with hopeless odds.
They could have just mentioned it and said no time for that. I don't recall if they stated how much time they had. It's an inconsistency that puts a damper on shows. It's still one of my favorite shows, first being The Expanse then Star Trek.
A)Because the corridor was unpressurized and would have lead to the depressurization of the galley. They would have died if they tried it, because it would have taken too long to attempt to open the door and then repressurize it (if repressurization was even a possibility since the galley wasn't supposed to be depressurized as it was the original main room to the Jamestown base)there also isn't a guarantee they could get that door closed again.
B)The door opened OUTWARD, and Vance and the dead cosmonaut were laying in front of a door that would be hard to open due to the depressurized corridor as it was.
C) they only had 45 minutes before the meltdown started by the time they got into contact with Houston and knew they needed to do something (Margo said 45 minutes I think)
D) the suit Vance was in, was shot more than once as was the cosmonaut suit and therefore wouldn't have provided any extra protection than the duct tape, even if they taped it (especially if any shots hit the helmet). Look what happened to the Cosmonaut suits when they were shot near the mine and the other Marine who was shot but lived.
E) Gordo mentions to Molly that the Soviets shut down the base comms, meaning they had no way to communicate with anyone. Their only comm was with JSC, and that didn't link into the suits anymore because all comms for suits and such ran through ops comm (where the invasion occurred)
I wish Danny and Ed would have said “bye bob” at gordo’s grave
I thought the same thing. Would have been a perfect note to end that on.
I said that myself when he kept deck of cards on his casket
I also thought the same1
That needs to be included in the Director's cut!
They couldn’t. Danny said that Ed was always Bob when they played out the episodes on the moon.
This show is basically a prequel to the expanse now. we almost had a war, a ship blew up in moon orbit and now we are going to mars.
There's a theory out there that this series is a prequel to Star Trek TOS (the original series).
@@thegoodwin Probably not. They would need to setup the Eugenics Wars and all of that.
Yes it is it's just building foundation for expanse waiting for both expanse season 6 and for all mankind season 3
I'm 99% sure that human on mars is cosmonaut because in episode 9 we see shoes of cosmonaut and they are identical to that of human on mars
also the stripes on the pants
man that was probably the most i've cried in anything i watched
@SmithandJones256 Real men don't flinch from hetero-toxic masculinity and will still cry or feel as human beings with real emotions beyond "beer! tits! guns! I'm no1!" mentality 👍
@SmithandJones256 Yeah real men don’t have emotions, gotcha
Bye Bob
When the scene cut to the funeral there were three coffins, though wasn't there four astronauts who died on Jamestown? Gordo, Trace, Vance, and the other astronaut that got sucked into space.
You my dude, are a sherlock holmes. I didn't notice that!
I was thinking that too. Like who’s coffin is the third? And why not mention all the other people who died
there was a fourth coffin peeking behind a pillar.
The astronaut that got sucked into space when the russians attacked, wasn't he saved and then held hostage by the russians? They offered to exchange him for the defector.
@@TheRocco96 That was a different astronaut, the base commander. The base commander has a beard and the guy who got sucked out didn't.
I started watching season one yesterday, and could not stop. I am now crying as I just finished season two. I was moved, elated, sad, worried, my emotions were all over the place. Man I haven’t felt this way since “ lost” I felt like I was there. Anyway back to reality 👍 up this is binge worthy.
I thought blowing up the Sea Dragon felt a bit disjointed. That to me was the only part of the finale that felt off. Ed basically made that decision without knowing much of what was going on everywhere else. It seems out of character for him to take such an action without having more info about the situation. And I didn’t think they established Sally Ride enough as a powerful moral authority for her to be what persuaded him. Maybe I missed something. Having grown up in the Reagan years, he was much more a diplomatic statesman in his role here than in our reality. It’s hard to imagine Reagan and Andropov backing off so rapidly and cleanly in most any timeline. Maybe that’s because living through that decade still feels like a miracle to me.
The whole Sergei thing seemed like a twist that’s hard to pay off with such a massive time jump between seasons. It hints that the Soviet Union may still exist in Season 3, but it’s also true that in our reality that old Soviet stuff just passed right on into Russia and kept going. So who knows. The best idea I can come up with is that the result is that information passed back and forth in their relationship (assuming they hook up) screws up both space programs and allows the Chinese to get to Mars first. But that’s a stretch I know.
The Tracy/Gordo ending got me way more than I thought it would. I was surprised how emotional I got. I hate seeing them off the show, but it was such a beautiful and surprising note to end a chaotic love story on. I honestly can’t remember a love story on screen that came to an end in such a sad, powerful, yet satisfying way.
Dani got her time to shine and save the world, and now she and Ellen both have their hero moments. Surely they will both have political futures in S3.
Overall, best finale I’ve seen in ages.
Overall too much plot.
-Marines not watching their sides?
-Reactor meltdown but only on the one that was installed secretly.
-Spacewalk for 20 seconds, which obviously was much more.
-Instadeath after fullfilling purpose.
-Out of character actions.
-Allknowing characters.
-Luckily Tracy wanted a snack or a smoke and was where she was.
-Everyone is basically unable to shoot after being hit by a bullet, except for the plot russian that has to hit the reactor control at some point.
-Lift capabilities of a seadragon and no bulletproof glas?
-No Kevlar?
-Why are the AK's black while the M4's had to be white due to heat? (destroying its own continuity)
-The russians basically invaded american territory and Ed would not do anything knowing his best friend was right down there?
-Who TF is Sally Ride compared to Ed, he'd not give a shit about her in that current mindset.
He showed nearly no empathy for Gordo when he was at his lowest, but surely listens to her...
All in all way too predictable. I knew showrunners wouldnt have the Balls for WW3 so Pathfinder HAD to shoot the Seadragon.
As soon as they were in Orbit I knew the end.
Also, I knew Gordo would die in this season and, taking tom as an example, the showrunners did the laziest job on delivering this.
They give you a bit of insight and show that one is not as bad as you might guess and when you come to terms with it, they'll kill them,
because they don't know how to further use them in their story.
God I've seen this over and over in different series and movies and this is so annyoing.
Like, Imagine my doctor dying, because he finished operating my broken foot.
This is basically the film-logic used here and I hate it.
In our 'timeline' all the Soviet-US tensions reached a climax and dissolved during the presidency of Georhe HW Bush. Who actually was that type of statesman. 1988-1992 was a pivotal time period that happened like being on several high speed roller coasters with corkscrews at the same time, all over the world.
In 1988 everything looked bleak on all fronts, in 1989 the turns started (to become tangible) and by 1992 the world as a whole was suddenly clearly in a much better place.
It still gives me the creeps when wondering what a few what-ifs-gone-wrong in that time frame could have caused.
The show was amazing in conveying the climate of Cold War tensions and antagonism in the late 1980s that had casually permeated everything.
I think some of it too is that the USSR is far more powerful because it didn't engage Afghanistan, and Reagan came to power 4 years earlier. We hadn't given up the Canal, which turned Panama against us (which in our timeline happened in 1989). Reagan did send the ability to build nukes on the moon when he sent the weapons reactor. But I think the fact that his more aggressive actions (like the canal and weaponizing the moon with marines and future nukes) brought the world to the brink of nuclear war did make him step back (we never really went to the brink under Reagan and the USSR was weakening which is where the Tear down this wall speech came from). Also the fact that you have people like Ellen in the cabinet may have offered a less group think mentality than we saw in RL.
I'm just a bit worried that the MArs thing will be just a repeat of the moon. Two bases, small interactions, and a violent ending
Maybe it will be one base cohabitated by the Americans and Russians, and all the drama that will result from that
Maybe we've already seen it? The MARS show from National Geographic 😁😁
imho. I think season 3 will develop toward private enterprise entering the space business.
How difficult it will be to manage a colony built from nothing with private interests, espionage or greed even?
When Karen and Danny were in bed talking together, she mentions that the first person to sell tickets to space will make so much money. At the ending of season 2 she's going back to college to study business....just saying, my own humble opinion
@@xyinterrupted Just like MARS then
@@xyinterrupted Good point! We also can't forget about the teaser with the Russians planning to use Margo for their own nefarious plans, whatever they will be...
Cant wait for season 3 I believe that there might be a Mars base similar to what Jamestown looked like in season 1 but a bit different.
And we don't know which country the Mars stroller is from.
@@MrNorcal81 It depends on whether Soviet Union collapsed or not.
I just didn’t think they would actually kill Gordo and Tracy
Best ending I’ve seen in a long time
Just finished season 2 and watching your vids to look for anything I might have been missed. RIP Gordo and felt really bad for Ed. Guy lost his best buddy.
This show is sooo good. Can't wait for season 3. One of my favorite series of all time already.
Just watched the season 2 finale (after being watching whole series over the last week) tear jerker for sure!
Overall a great series, WORTH the subscription price alone!
Gordo’s redemption arc was amazing, and that scene was the best in the season. But it was bugging me because they could’ve temporarily depressurized and grabbed Vance from outside the door and patched his suit with duct tape. The damaged suit would’ve given Gordo plenty of time to do everything and make it back alive.
Exactly what I thought, the body was lying outside the door, they both could have been alive
If they grabbed the suit, it would've been an unnecessary risk. There's no guarantee they would've been able to depressurize, haul a heavy body in which would take quite a while, and then repressurize without losing too much air and suffocating right there and then. They'd die just by trying to do that, especially cause the door opens outwards and the body was right in front of the door. So you add onto the fact that you have to grab a grown mans body and push and pull a heavy ass door while pulling the body in? No, it wouldn't work.
RIP Gordo and Tracy. Gordo’s arc was my favorite of the season
That season finale was one of the best I’ve ever seen.
I literally cried. I didn't want Gordo or Tracy to die, I really loved those two. I'm gonna be sad now.
Damn this finale is a masterclass in writing. The set-up, build-up, and pay-off is so suspensful and finally rewarding. RDM is a genius. So many Star Trek cameos in this season. EXCITED FOR MARS 1995.
Moore is super talented. But don’t forget there are eight other writers on the series (most of whom are also producers).., working in very collaborative ways.
I was rooting for the Stevens so much but it was realistic that they wouldn't survive that. I was so sad since I didn't want Gordo to die like the insiders say but I really didn't expect Tracy to die. Overall this whole season was amazing and the show itself is amazing I can't wait for season 3 and im so curious to what will and would happen in season 3.
This is what I call a finale
What an incredible 2 season arc for Gordo, definitely my favourite character
perfect timing i just finished watching the final episode!!!!
That was my plan.
@@PetePeppers1 you planned this video just for this guy?... that kinda creepy..
Jk
I balled my eyes out at that shot of Gordo and Tracy. Cried like a baby. I love this show.
I for one am really going to miss seeing Tracy and how cold they kept it at Jamestown.
In all seriousness, FAM is the best sci fi being aired today. Bar none. Not the Expanse, None of the trek series, Not the Mandalorian. This is the best sci fi because in the end this is a good show first and the sci fi is bonus.
Being a really big fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek, I must say, The Mandalorian was epic in a fun way, and none of the current Star Trek shows even come close to FAM and give any intriguing stories...It is true though, FAM is a really freaking good tv show...I hope we get more seasons after season 3...I absolutely love this show
This is one of the best piece of television i've seen in my life, hands down. Can't wait 'till season 3.
As a guy who went through the real cold war at the sharper end of the sword, you don't know how close we came to nuclear annihilation in such a similar manner. Too close, too many times.
Able Archer '83....the Soviet shoot down of KAL 007 were a couple of instances that stoke the flames during this period. United States deployment of nuclear tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles and Pershing II MRBMs didn't help the peace cause....even though they were meant to counter Soviet SS-20. I was in Italy at the time and 16 years old at the time wondering if humans would make it out of the 20th century. I joined the Navy in 1986....then the cold War ended and as 22 year old breathed a sigh of relief. Now we have wanna be Soviet Premier Putin trying to bring back the good old USSR.
Two things, one, I totally agree with you on the old tv look. I felt like that gave the funeral a simple little touch. Second, thank you for making these reviews and the amount of details! Looking forward to season 3!
The Pathfinder crew crucially prevented escalation to Mutually Assured Destruction, but in a way that will remain secret and awkwardly followed the Apollo-Soyuz breakthrough.
So I say give Dani Poole a goddamn Medal of Honor for pulling the superpowers back from the brink of war by publicly defying orders at the best possible time. And a promotion for thinking ahead of her bosses.
And Ed Baldwin? Give him Bradford's job.
I’ve been enjoying Apple tv’s sci fi lately with my husband. We decided to belatedly watch this show. Just finished season 2 and wow. Glad I’m here.
so i guess next season is Ed's redemption arc, and we know how it'll end
what do you mean?
@@mojaave don't think Ed won't make it to a season 4
@@chifurbr aww man I hope this doesn't happen he's my fav character
@@mojaave It makes sense, he’s getting old and there is only so many seasons he can stay in.
@@joshuajoe1419 he gon be at least 55 years old in season 3 I guess
I’m late to this series but this is my favorite episode so far, I was sad when they were found dead since they were really good characters from the beginning. I was shocked by the transformation of the guy that plays Gordo since he looks completely different from one season to the next. This is a really good show and I’m glad that I can binge it. I’m looking forward to see where it goes.
I think Ed and Tracy in seperate cars may mean they have split up.
I lived through all that IRL. I was thirteen when we landed on Moon.
My dad worked high security for a subcontractor to JPL in communications for spacecraft.
I sat every week with him to watch Star Trek.
It's a personal pain for me that humanity never progressed as we'd imagined back then, and that now, the future of space flight is in the hands of narcissistic billionaires.
This finale had me in tears from start to end. Part of that was the very real possibility we could have ignited mutually insured destruction.
Maybe we dodged a bullet.
What if there were no Doritos?
A no Doritos alternate timeline sounds bleak.
Narcissistic billionaires? You’ve got to be joking, right? Since when did it become arrogant, self-centered, or lacking of empathy to want to advance space exploration? To make us humans an interplanetary species? Take Elon Musk. When PayPal was sold to eBay in 2002 he received 165 million USD. What did he do? He put it all in SpaceX and Tesla with the goals to advance our species technology. Had he been even remotely narcissistic he would probably have put it all in stocks, as to maximize profit.
An absolutely incredible episode to end the season! Great review as usual. First question, "When will Season 3 start?!"
Really great video!
Chekhov's gun (Чеховское ружьё)
- "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired ..."
The airlock, of course.
Foreshadowing danger which is required to move the story.
This was just masterful television. Simply freaking brilliant. Edge of your seat with real stakes. What an emotional ride
I think the Russians will make it to Mars first. In the ending scene, the boots were the same ones the Soviets had on while raiding Jamestown. The suit has the same blue stripe on the leg too.
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In 1995, the USSR has disappeared, this alternative history does not solve for the Russians, the reasons that will cause their fall.
So I wonder where we are going to go, talk about the history of Russian-Nasa cooperation? Russia of Boris will try to take Margot while Russia has become poor?
@@waardlafrance110 Still, what if the USSR doesn't fail.
@@waardlafrance110 since it’s an alternative history, the USSR may still stand.
Gordo and Tracy dying ripped my heart out. I love this show
best show in years its been a very long time since i felt the tension from a show
They really ramped it up, and it's pretty impressive that they were able to tie up all the different storylines.
I really liked season 1, was a bit skeptical about season 2 because of the first trailer i saw (too "action movie" for me), decided to watch it anyway and i have no regrets doing so, feeling it's even better than season 1.
For the mars mission in 1995, we can't know which side the astronaut is, but i would love to see it happen in the middle of season 3, like they did with the sea dragon launch in 1983 with actually happen on the middle of season 2.
Yeah. Hollywood doesn’t take any risks nowadays. I’m glad they were willingly to kill off their main characters.
what a show,,,random scrolling one day and this little gem appears....well played
I was not ready for that double wammy.
I was just talking to a friend how there isn't any good shows after you watch the big ones. I signed up for Apple TV, just to watch Masters Of The Sky and figured I had some free days. Then I see this 4 season show about spy shit, 80's (before and after). I watched the first two seasons in one day. I really did.
Never has a show hit me in the gut, in the head. I'm a little biased for growing up in the 80's. These characters become almost family. I'm a grown man and I haven't cried, like a good one, in decades. I might of had one coming but when Gordo and Tracy passed the way they did, I got sucker punched. What a well written show, even 80's WWF references, just loved this. This is probably the best show I seen in so long and just I'm so amazed. I hope more Apple Plus content is of the caliber I seen. I'm not a iPhone guy and I cast my screen just to watch it and will watch the next two seasons.
Can’t wait for Team B to show up next season. And Nancy’s astrologer!
Having the Stevens actually make it to the airlock was some amazing writing. I genuinely had a strong sense of hope that they were gonna make it through all that after being so sure that they would die outside the hab and the shock hits ya. Great ending to their whole relationship and arc.
Too bad Buran didn’t use O Rings.
Too bad Margo is a Soviet dupe.
@@opusmax1 Because she's naive.
in OUR universe it didn't. But they discover when Buran is close to launching that somehow the Soviets got ahold of US shuttles plans that pre-date them finding the O-Ring issue. Just because OUR worlds Buran didn't use O-Rings, doesn't mean theirs wouldn't have initially. Its not called ALTERNATE HISTORY for nothing.
In the beginning I just happen to come across this show and absolutely fell in love with it! Fantastic!!! Now I can't wait for the next season!
Same story. I just came across it on my free sub to apple tv, and damn! This show was fantastic
Bye Tracy
Bye Gordo
By Bob.
:(
This final Episode is a reminder.... The shit can go south anytime. It's just crazy to think that bunch of people just command absolute power
It was kinda weird how Tracy's husband Sam was nowhere to be seen in the funeral. But nonetheless I teared up during the scene Ed and Karen paid respects to their fallen friends. A fine finale indeed. Third season has got be interesting with humanity finally reaching Mars, and I couldn't help but to be reminded of The Expanse.... I love both shows and apparently both of them are gonna involve Earth and Mars being important pieces of their respective universes.
Sam was actually shown for like a second or two, being present there, on TV broadcast. As for later, more private gathering with Baldwins and Stevens brothers, yup, he wasn’t there - maybe he left while earlier, who knows!
Anyways I agree, great finale we unfortunately saw coming [but I didn’t personally think they both gonna die :( ]
As for Mars, I love it! I’m hoping it will not turn into second Moon with almost identical scenario, but we shall see, all we can do now is wait, but oh man, that’s gonna be longer wait than we would wish! Should I watch The Expanse in meanwhile, is it comparable to FAM? Need something to fill up this gap I guess 😅
This episode screamed WE HAVE MORE SEASONS SO WE NEED TO IMMEDIATETLY de escalate all the tension and storylines we just built up... It had about 4 or 5 possible Opportunites for some insane turns, and they took every single one and just gave it an easy out... amazing show, but I don't think I've ever seen WE CANT END THE SHOW YET so hard
Damn that episode was crazy. The first 3/4s was so tense I could barely move. I figured Tracey and or Gordo would die, but I hoped they didn't do it in a bad way, like them getting shot, or caught somewhere during depressurization. I think the way they went out was really moving. Also Nirvanas "Come as you are" at the end there definitely signals we will be seeing a time skip to the early 90s.
I just started watching the video but I have to say I took a heavy hit. Gordo was my favorite character and I'm still crying.
18:33 now we know…
A spectacular finale with, of course, some tears over Gordo and Tracy not making it. I wasn't a Reagan fan but I actually could envision him, after watching the handshake and realizing the US and USSR were on the brink of a no-win nuclear war, calling Andropov from Air Force One and saying he's coming to Moscow to talk. And of the course the final scene setting up Season 3 was great. Ronald D. Moore has said that the series potentially has a seven season run, jumping a decade in each one. Can't wait for number three to air.
RIP the Stevens couple
So excited for season 3 though
I have never seen this show... never even heard of it. I'm here because another video talked about the probability of the duct tape spacesuit working and I wanted to know about the show. All that said, your season 2 recap is excellent! Coming from zero information, I was able to follow with ease. I'm impressed with the rollercoaster story and your ability to summarize and theorize. (*I wonder if anyone remembered to retrieve their colleague from the bunker.)
I'm wondering if the USSR is still going to be around in Season 3. There will definitely be changes without the war in Afghanistan and the absence of Reagan from 1984 onwards, but I'm also wondering if Chernobyl is still going to happen - it had a big impact on the Soviets. Andropov opened things up to criticism, but refused to change from the command economy established by Stalin. A reformer like Gorbachev, or the man himself, might come along to do reforms to the USSR without the constant pressure Reagan exerted on them in OTL (Our TimeLine). I can't see any of OTL's figures in the USSR, even Gorbachev, reforming the Soviet Union as Deng Xiaoping did in the PRC in OTL. Gorbachev's reforms were meant to prop up the centrally planned economy, not transition to market socialism, and all his free speech and democratization policies were unpopular with officials in the Communist Party. If Gorbachev comes to power without undue pressure from the USA and a drag from a war in Afghanistan, the USSR could plod on into the 1990s as a second rate economic power compared to OTL's PRC, but I can't see the Warsaw Pact surviving unless Gorbachev is removed from power in a quiet coup. Boris Yeltsin will probably remain a radical unknown. Putin might begin his ascent politically during the 1990s that might see him as a candidate for General Secretary during Season 3 and he might put himself across as the sort of market socialism reformer for the USSR that Deng was for the PRC in OTL.
Who knows maybe the Chinese or Indians will be in the mix in 1995.
Maybe. It's possible that the continued competition between the USA and USSR in the Space Race of the FOA TL could have led Mao to give more funding to the PRC's Project 714, the Shuguang (Dawn) spacecraft, instead of canceling it in 1972 as he did in OTL. There could have been a first Chinese manned spacecraft in orbit in 1973, as originally planned, rather than OTL's 2003 with the Shenzhou. The PRC could have their own base on the moon by 1995, but I don't see them wanting international cooperation with either the USA or USSR.
India received help with its first couple launches from the USSR, but its dedication to the Non-Aligned Movement during the Cold War would, I think, leave it relatively low in space development - launching satellites into orbit or maybe even small payloads to the moon - as in OTL, especially with the Cold War possibly lasting even longer in the FOA TL and the flashpoint that the moon became in 1983.
18:34 it's a blue stripe on the pants, it's a cosmonaut, russian won. 3:25 for comparisons on the cosmonaut suit. Russians have a long stripe on the pants, astronauts have red rings not stripes. So there you go.
This was such an amazing and sad episode