His English is getting better… but can’t fault the guy for having a strong accent. Most of us Americans can’t even speak 1 language, let alone fluently in 2.
Yeah that's one way to look at it but that's building bad habits, it takes a lot of time to do that in a fast paced game which is why I recommend against it.
@@jamesh7876 Another problem with that is if the enemy cuts that wave in the later stages of the game, you will get bamboozled. Knowing creep wave timers allows you to cut waves by yourself as well. An example is when you're playing Anti-Mage and the enemy is running down one lane and you need to cut the lane from behind, if you don't see your own creeps, you won't know how to cut it, which is why I recommend learning creep wave timers.
@@PainDota when there was that 2 year period where you could just grab waves as 4 and cheese the laning phase was the most fun i've ever had in 5.2k. thats how i learned that shit by heart, just pulled like 7000 waves in 2 years lol
one thing you can do instead of timing the creep waves, is to look at your own creep wave and see where it is. The enemy creep wave will most likely be in the same position as your creep wave.
I have been subscribed for some time, and must say that you continue to improve your videos that help us improve in Dota2. Keep up the strong work my guy.
I like your videos so much man, currently spamming Luna according to your analisis of these high mmr players, and it truly feels like I'm improving a lot! Let's see if I can hit immortal rank by the end of this month (currently 4700 mmr)
if it is stuff like this off script is much better. If it is some long form breakdown or video the scripted version leaves time for me to pause and go back or jump around and still understand the video. No matter either way you approach it your content is very helpful so keep it up. Thanks
not to be that guy but for creepwave position at 3:00, just look at yours and the enemy's will be in the same exact position. for example, dire is at t2 so naturally radiants would be at t2 as well.
Yeah that's one way to look at it but that's building bad habits, it takes a lot of time to do that in a fast paced game which is why I recommend against it.
Different perspectives, I love it ❤ if you could watch any of my replays and give me some tips and coaching. I will be forever in gratitude. Thanks from Brazil
Other interesting stuff is that I noticed he doesn't buy Quelling on start even when it still working through the glaives. Same as many ranged "inherent" farming heroes like gyro or dusa. Do u think is worthless actually? Taking in mind that tiny glaives dmg than will add so making ur farm time for camp/wave faster... Similar to OP early.. wind lance on the same farm acceleration process... What are ur thoughts on it?
What do you do when your team is constantly fighting (and losing) and pinging you for not joining even though its very early and you're not farmed enough?
This happens a lot in low rank. Players force fight more and take less objectives lol making the games longer. As for your question. Do not join a full team fight if your the carry and don’t have your ult or at least the first core item you need. But if you see a easy kill go ahead
This works in 12k mmr, in Archon you'd have your support in jungle, your offlane in jungle, your mid cutting off your farming patterns , the enemy support never leaves the lane so you are 1vs2 and you die every time you try to go the wave or go afk in jungle and not show on wave. So ez to give an example of a guy who don't have literal ruiners. Of course enemy has those too, that's why no matter what unless you are mechanically more skilled to kill in lane at least 5-6 times , your game will be decided by which team has the ruiners
Cope with what, stuck for 400 games in Crusader Archon wasting my time applying concepts from 10k mmr players, then learned Arc Warden, started spamming same concepts, but now I can interrupt the farm of teammates trying to grief and I was divine in under 100 then you can play normal dota with normal heroes , you guys are full of shit not having any idea what grind is lower ranks , there's a reason boosters don't play void and luna, they play meepo , arc and huskar @@io-rj6sk
I think you made a mistake about creepwave, you said now that minute 7:10 and we should now how to predict. Actually you don't have to predict. Just look at your creepwave at the bottom. That simple. Don't feel offended.
Really hoped this would be a straight-forward analysis of farming patterns. It took four and a half minutes to say 'jungle if you can't lane' It's very clear that the guy hasn't actually watched the replay before making the video ("Luna's just gonna chill here.. actually he's gonna be very aggressive"), ignores the rotation from THE ENEMY CARRY and seems to just keep guessing what Butterfly is going to do. When the coach is surprised as to what is happening in his own tutorial video, trust in your ability begins to disappear
I have a question. On early till 15~ min if ur threats are ganking-showing at mid or far enough why Butterfly dont push the enemy tier 1 so gets space bait tps, etc. Making his game easier and for his team. U r agree with his passive decision to go back farming jungle and only safest waves when potential enemies are showing far?
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i like this way of speaking better than the other videos. feels more natural and easier to understand
His English is getting better… but can’t fault the guy for having a strong accent. Most of us Americans can’t even speak 1 language, let alone fluently in 2.
I think he means the way that he narrates the video, not his accent XD@@justingabat
@@ItsMingee ah I see. Yes, I agree. Much better!
@@ItsMingee thanks. you got what i meant
It’s because he’s analyzing Satanic, a 16 year old phenomenon, not a random guy in 2k 😂
This youtube channel has helped me gain 1000 mmr by now
You can also mirror your own creeps, if it's on tier 2, enemy creeps are also in tier 2
I was about to comment this exact thing! Extremely helpful.
Yeah that's one way to look at it but that's building bad habits, it takes a lot of time to do that in a fast paced game which is why I recommend against it.
@@PainDota takes as much time to do that, as it does, the notice of any heroes are missing.
@@jamesh7876 Another problem with that is if the enemy cuts that wave in the later stages of the game, you will get bamboozled. Knowing creep wave timers allows you to cut waves by yourself as well. An example is when you're playing Anti-Mage and the enemy is running down one lane and you need to cut the lane from behind, if you don't see your own creeps, you won't know how to cut it, which is why I recommend learning creep wave timers.
@@PainDota when there was that 2 year period where you could just grab waves as 4 and cheese the laning phase was the most fun i've ever had in 5.2k. thats how i learned that shit by heart, just pulled like 7000 waves in 2 years lol
There has to be another picture out there of this guy
Not yet XD
I liked the video. It's nice to see you explain how uncomplicated the decision making is
one thing you can do instead of timing the creep waves, is to look at your own creep wave and see where it is. The enemy creep wave will most likely be in the same position as your creep wave.
just came back from playing dota bro will watch all of your vids again. glad your channel is doing good. you deserve it!
This is what ive been waiting for, hoping to see more content from you :D
I have been subscribed for some time, and must say that you continue to improve your videos that help us improve in Dota2. Keep up the strong work my guy.
Keep uploading videos like this, really helpful
I ranked up from Legend to Divine just from watching contents like this and applying it on my games. Thanks man.
how long did it take u
I like your videos so much man, currently spamming Luna according to your analisis of these high mmr players, and it truly feels like I'm improving a lot! Let's see if I can hit immortal rank by the end of this month (currently 4700 mmr)
a tip for the creep position, its usually the same as the creep position on your side, just look at your creeps
if it is stuff like this off script is much better. If it is some long form breakdown or video the scripted version leaves time for me to pause and go back or jump around and still understand the video. No matter either way you approach it your content is very helpful so keep it up. Thanks
not to be that guy but for creepwave position at 3:00, just look at yours and the enemy's will be in the same exact position. for example, dire is at t2 so naturally radiants would be at t2 as well.
Yeah that's one way to look at it but that's building bad habits, it takes a lot of time to do that in a fast paced game which is why I recommend against it.
@@PainDota You can just learn both. Looking at the map gives more immediatly important info than the timer anyway
keep it up bro. u got me back into dota for sure
Would love to see a video like this on something like this muerta! Not an inherent farm hero like Luna but still had a very good amount of CS.
I enjoyed this video a lot!
Great video!
Wonderful video thank you.
Can I have a match ID? I'd like to see how Meurta farmed too.
Awesome videos btw. Thanks so much.
7625907288 Here you go! Muerta had IO so it's normal
I like how you are showing Luna farming pattern although Muerta did a lot more in this game.
whatd muerta do?
how does meurta have almost equal LH with luna
Great video!
I suppose these patterns would be a bit different for slower farming carries like spectre or void
Different perspectives, I love it ❤ if you could watch any of my replays and give me some tips and coaching. I will be forever in gratitude. Thanks from Brazil
Hello, Pain. Great content as always. Could you create guides for offlaners as well?
farm here farm there. chill farm. farm for next game.
What's Butterfly's Dotabuff profile?
Other interesting stuff is that I noticed he doesn't buy Quelling on start even when it still working through the glaives. Same as many ranged "inherent" farming heroes like gyro or dusa. Do u think is worthless actually? Taking in mind that tiny glaives dmg than will add so making ur farm time for camp/wave faster... Similar to OP early.. wind lance on the same farm acceleration process... What are ur thoughts on it?
Basically Top 1 guy got there by pve ing mobs for 30 minutes every game. Fun and interactive.
the discord link doesn't work
can you do a faceless void farming pattern plss
Can this work for tb and pl?
can u do this also with tb?
What do you do when your team is constantly fighting (and losing) and pinging you for not joining even though its very early and you're not farmed enough?
gg go next
mute and join only when timings are hit
This happens a lot in low rank. Players force fight more and take less objectives lol making the games longer. As for your question. Do not join a full team fight if your the carry and don’t have your ult or at least the first core item you need. But if you see a easy kill go ahead
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I prefer this off-script stuff...I am able to get a look at how exactly you watch a carry's replay; what to look for etc. but that's just me
bro u need to talk about leshrac pos 1
Just look at where your own wave is and that will be the same spot their wave will be at. no need for timers just check ur own wave
This works in 12k mmr, in Archon you'd have your support in jungle, your offlane in jungle, your mid cutting off your farming patterns , the enemy support never leaves the lane so you are 1vs2 and you die every time you try to go the wave or go afk in jungle and not show on wave. So ez to give an example of a guy who don't have literal ruiners.
Of course enemy has those too, that's why no matter what unless you are mechanically more skilled to kill in lane at least 5-6 times , your game will be decided by which team has the ruiners
cope
Cope with what, stuck for 400 games in Crusader Archon wasting my time applying concepts from 10k mmr players, then learned Arc Warden, started spamming same concepts, but now I can interrupt the farm of teammates trying to grief and I was divine in under 100 then you can play normal dota with normal heroes , you guys are full of shit not having any idea what grind is lower ranks , there's a reason boosters don't play void and luna, they play meepo , arc and huskar @@io-rj6sk
4:10 Mars could hit 6 at literally any moment. The pos 4 is missing. Walking up where he is is definitely risky.
Satanic to Butterfly, his next ID name would be Scythe of Vyse? lol
The comment I was looking for
Hey I’m a 2500k MMR player and I hit around 280 cs by minute 20 with Luna🤨
I think you made a mistake about creepwave, you said now that minute 7:10 and we should now how to predict. Actually you don't have to predict. Just look at your creepwave at the bottom. That simple. Don't feel offended.
А БЕЙТРАЙДЕР ТО НАШ СЛОН, С ХАРЬКОВА!!!
thanks i'm still harald 1
198 CS at 16 minutes
opponents creeps mirror your creeep no need to monitor time.
Really hoped this would be a straight-forward analysis of farming patterns. It took four and a half minutes to say 'jungle if you can't lane'
It's very clear that the guy hasn't actually watched the replay before making the video ("Luna's just gonna chill here.. actually he's gonna be very aggressive"), ignores the rotation from THE ENEMY CARRY and seems to just keep guessing what Butterfly is going to do.
When the coach is surprised as to what is happening in his own tutorial video, trust in your ability begins to disappear
I have a question. On early till 15~ min if ur threats are ganking-showing at mid or far enough why Butterfly dont push the enemy tier 1 so gets space bait tps, etc. Making his game easier and for his team. U r agree with his passive decision to go back farming jungle and only safest waves when potential enemies are showing far?
When I see this pic, always imagining a kid cancer survivor, can you stop this and have a diff picture.
I make 230 at min 13, gl
just look at your own creepwave lul
I had 375 at 25
sound quality low dude
Why u always make a great video??
I am tired to like all of them
This offscript with you talking normal is so much better. Your voice on script is kinda hard to listen to, no offense. Gj!
are you indian?
off script vids are nice
Still number 2 hehehehe
Not anymore I guess :D
@@siggi9790 yeahh dd
one is satanic and now this butterfly, what's next? heart of tarrasque guy or bkb?