What is the Double Move? | The SECRET to Improving Your Disc Golf Form
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
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The off arm in the disc golf backhand throw is SO IMPORTANT.
It will give extra distance and allow for a smooth release.
David Klasser from Seekr Disc Golf will help you throw backhand now matter if you're a beginner or relearning the throw.
This is absolutely key to throwing over 400 ft. Your drill, slow motion, and explanation is great. You did a great job emphasizing the key points and also dispelling "the pull through". It's ALL about engaging your body and hips, which can be started with the Double move! When you feel it, you will know!
I wanna see your double move bro!!
As soon as I learned this, I went from 390 max to 480 max effortlessly. Crazy how much this improves power.
I am just started working on this double move and I have already started to pick up distance. At 63 this is very encouraging even though I had to throw in the wind today. Thank you and I have Subscribed.
I’ve been trying for over a year to work on the double move and couldn’t get it down. This explanation was simple and worked for me instantly. I couldn’t be happier with how effortlessly I’m throwing distance now. Great job!
Thank you so much for your content!!! I can't wait to go through your program and better my game. I hate it that I didn't start playing the sport when it was first mentioned to me in 1993/94, but after a bad ball golf experience there was no way that I wanted to try it. I'm now in my 50s and can't get enough of it and want to go to the next level. As well as teach proper technique to others. Keep up the awesome work!
Welcome welcome!!!
Can I offer one additional point? The more your offhand rotates internally the faster the action happens. If you look at Paul and Drew, they are releasing the disc with their off hand palm facing directly away from the target line (or in some cases even further internally rotated), where as most people trying to use their off hand well don't do this. Internally rotating your hand/elbow of your off hand helps you close your shoulder much quicker than if you don't.
Hell yeah bro! I need to start doing this
i figured this out on my own but i hadnt seen any videos about this so wasnt sure it was bad form to do it or not. since this confirms it i will integrate it back into my game. love the videos and crush that grape!
I just tried this during a round, thinking it was nonsense, and it legitimately made my shots feel more powerful. Took a little bit of effort to recalibrate my aim, but it felt like I was getting an extra 10m of power at least from that one tip. Felt quite natural too, surprisingly.
Yes!! It takes time though. So glad ;)
Sling shot coach T is great. I just started to put this in my routine, very hard but i learned you wont be able to get the shoulders in the right position unless you get the hips and feet correct first. I tried to fix just the sling shot but couldnt make progress cause my lower body wasnt fixed yet. Great channel. Your getting a sub my friend!
Thank you!!!
Shared !
Great drill! I’ve been playing for 3+ years without using my off arm to initiate more power. Will definitely be doing this drill. Thanks for breaking it down in an understandable way.
Coming to disc golf recently but with a background in racket sports I have found squash to have some of the most translatable movement. This type of move to load the chest area by almost crisscrossing the arms and then exploding outward using the non-backhand arm to initiate a turn is one way people are able to create a ton of power with their backhands there. A pro squash player that does this super smoothly and is worth studying for crosover is Gawad. Going to try this out for sure.
Love it! Welcome to disc golf!
This just helped out a ton! I've been doing this naturally without realizing it, so when I was relaxed and having a good game my throws were all really good. until I get into my head and tried to focus on what I thought my form should be and stopped doing this.
So glad :)))
I learned this independent from this guy, and didn't know what to call it. He's exactly right. The off hand is where it's at! I was throwing about 350 before, now it's not uncommon to get 450 with just this one change. Actually hit 500 the other day on flat ground!
@@discgolfteacher good shit
@@discgolfteacher amazing to hear this. It’s not talked about enough. I don’t even think the pros know they are doing it ;)
First time I've felt those back muscels in my throw, excited to test it in the field
Heck yeah!! ❤️
Yes wide rail
YEAH BUDDY! work-in-progress getting it, lot's to still work through. This should help getting "A LOT" more spin on the disc.
Heck yeah!
@@seekrdiscgolf TY sharing insight/insite two for one, so many variables in disc golf. Like the feel, power , and control of the upper back tightness. Changes my disc flight.
I think the lawnmower analogy is still great as it really emphasizes a long reach back, but I think the saying should be updated to pulling a lawnmower cord with your right arm except it's your left arm and shoulder that moves your right arm and shoulder. Move the left shoulder back to reach with the right and drive the left shoulder in to accelerate the right shoulder out.
Watching Drew and McBeth again in your video, it appears the disc is already in the back position when they move the left arm forward with the throwing arm lagging behind, but not moving the disc back at the same time as I thought you were trying to teach. Am I mistaken?
Yeah, I addressed that in my most recent video :) the drill is a drill. Not the end result. It’s meant to get you used to that feeling. Make sense?
Hey brother, when u do the xstep, your doing it differently. Your reaching back first.
I’ve noticed an interesting thing when I engage the off arm, although it doesn’t seem to give me added power, “most likely not all firing as it should”, it does keep my line extremely low! So if I need a low line under under 10 ft, I engage the off arm!
Sounds like there are multiple benefits :)
cool, counterintuitive I'll B working on it . TY
How’s it working?
@@seekrdiscgolf it's going okay,
I enjoy seeing the left arm action of the pros especially Paul Macbeth on his stand still throws.
I'm still working out the timing, of the left shoulder arm move. Somewhere between 75% to 100% on the reach back starting the left shoulder.. Too early you lose power too late I go right. Lol
Thanks for asking.
Can't say I've added a lot of extra distance yet, but getting a lot more spin on the disc and consistency, work in progress one week at a time.
@@datrucksdavea2080 it’s building blocks! It eventually builds a strong and powerful wall! Keep it up. Try the seekr app if you’re up for it!
@@seekrdiscgolf cool thanks I'll check it out probably in the beginning of the year little busy with the holidays.
I started trying to do this from the recommendation of another video and for whatever reason I put more strain in my rotator cuff. Any tips on how to avoid that ? Is it a timing thing or a muscling thing ?
I’d have to see a video. But you might be doing it too hard. It’s both timing and muscle. What you really want to be using is your back shoulder blade muscle. Just like I say in the video. Also, make sure you’re doing over doing it. I’m releasing a video soon that shows overdoing it vs. doing it right. :) hope that helps. Maybe send me a video of you doing it?
This has been so hard for me to add to my form. It seems like when i start focusing on the off arm everything else falls apart. Timing, line control, etc. Does it just take time and reps?
Dude, totally get it. Yeah, it takes about a year or less. :) At least that's what happened to me. But i PROMISE it will come if you are determined to get it right. Otherwise, if you're okay with where you're at, that's your choice.
Just start incorporating it. It'll eventually be second nature and you're timing will work itself out
Try throwing discs to a net. Focus on timing only and simply getting familiar to the new form. After a lot of reps, I think you're line control and rest off basic stuff like nose angle, release etc. will sort itself out
@@michaelclarke1716 so true. It takes at least 2 months.
I think I may just not have enough mobility to do this. When I try the double move my left arm (lefty backhand) just doesn't have enough reach, like I can't stretch far enough back to get that slingshot effect. I mean I can, but I feels like it comes out so fast out of my hand without really hitting the power pocket or something. Throwing 340-350 on a good day but can't seem to push past it.
Sign up for the seekr method! It will teach you everything you need to know. Trust me, you can do the double move and hit the power pocket!
I learned this move a little differently but it took my max drive from 350’ to 475’!
Heck yeah! Glad it helped!
This is good and will encourage people to use their off side, hopefully those people know how the left leg and weight shift works as well. I could see this being something that only accelerates shoulder turn which could be misleading for those who aren't properly bracing as is. I guess if the throw is from the ground up as everyone says, can the left arm initiation actually influence the left leg/hip drive?
Same. It can be misleading. A hard thing to do. Yeah, the left arm really does help initiate the hip drive. You’re on the money!
@@seekrdiscgolf @Seekr Disc Golf This is the main focus of my throw now. I'm at that point where I know what a good throw feels like and that's definitely a throw with my left arm coming through before my right arm throw out. It's amazing to be at this juncture and finally understand what "leading with the lower body" actually feels like in a throw. Tucking the left arm in as Paul McBeth does it is just adding to the left side/lower body engagement even more. I'm doing things with discs I have only dreamt of doing 2 years ago.
Thanks for being another channel promoting true mechanics and not the "lawn mower", "elbowing down the door" "pulling on a straight line" teachings that have made it a struggle for me and many others when we started during Covid. The backhand throw is truly simple if you have the right information. Too many people have made it way more technical than it needs to be and it's upsetting when they are headstrong about their poor teaching.
@@fronkjd8853 LOVE THIS! You’re so welcome. Hope to help continue your journey!
Love your intro! How’d you make it?
Layed down a beat, then filmed in the studio. Premiere pro :)
This is the hardest thing for me to work on. Every time I do this I feel a TON more power but lose all my control and tend to griplock. I wonder if there is any way to ease into this form to get used to the rotation that it forces? For the record, I am 40+ so I also feel like the added rotation in the hips/shoulders/back tend to wear me down a lot faster as well (probably just need to strengthen everything). I tend to throw 3-4 really good holes focusing on the off-arm pendulum (or 2 fieldwork disc rotations) and then I am knackered and my form breaks down entirely.
Mmm. Your form is gonna suck anytime you add anything to it. You might be better off just keeping your left arm to the side and not trying. But if you’re ready to go through a big change, it will take 2 to 3 months probably to get used to it.
spin the disc, your losing body momentum, for a strong anchor.
I think this may be confusing to newer players when refer to coming out and not back. That is a completely different style of throwing known as the wide rail.
Exactly - i don’t recommend this for completely new players at ALL. Good point. :)
yes, timing is hard to get. Very advanced technique.
Simon explained he was moving around the disc. the disc was not moving. when does he do the double move?
You’re right! This is just a drill to help you get the feeling of the double move. I’ll post another video about moving around the disc and how the double move comes into play. :)
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I told brodie Smith about what you said about him being the sleeping Giant. hopefully he hits you up someday for advice or something.
Shout out to coach T 💯
Watched Drew throw and literally other players stopped to see how far he would smash it. This was at Goat Hill a few weeks ago. I was the spotter on 18, adjacent to teepad one. That dude can throw some plastic.
I know it!!! Bombs!
I've been watching coach T and studying McBeth's form for the past 3-4 months. I still can't figure out how to get it working on my drives, but my friend noticed something on my upshots. He said I always overpower it and blast past the basket, but the thing is on those I'm barely putting in any power, or rather not trying to. But I try to mimic McBeth's form and timing on stand still upshots. I think what's happening is from a stand still I'm getting good double move time and effortlessly getting power. Now I just need to work on translating that timing to my walk up off the tee pad
I tried seekr but pretty much got ignored.
What ya mean? Do tell
An additional thing to add to this tip is that the back knee is also firing and initiating the hips in the same way and at the same time as the double move. Drew, Paul, and Seekr drive their back knee forward to initiate the proper rotation of the hips to create maximum power.
You’re exactly right! 100%
Imagine if Garrett Gurthie knew about this!
Hahaha he does!!!!!!
@@seekrdiscgolf He doesn’t do it though…
@@toddkauk6099 oh yeah he does. 100%. :) watch his slow mo. He comes down.
@@seekrdiscgolf I have several times, it’s far different than you are explaining. He does it far later and not to start his motion. Everyone is different I guess and there are no secrets.
@@toddkauk6099 Checkout my “3 Negatives to the double move video” as I explain it there :) There double move comes in multiple ways.
It's not a secret...lots of videos and tip sites talk about it. The issue is that it is difficult to do and to do correctly.
You got me. Totally not a secret.
This a jojos torture scene reference
uh if you have ever started a lawn mower you would know that your shoulders DO move like that, so its not really a load of crap at all, it actually is a very good beginner move to think about because most people HAVE tried starting a lawn mower. It's not really smart to knock something legit that can and does help people, simply because you are trying to push a gimmick like "YOU ARE THE FIRST AND ONLY ONES TO HAVE UNLOCKED THE SACRED SECRET OF EXTRA DISTANCE" It's actually pretty hilarious that you think this one little move outweighs everything else that goes into proper form. drew gibson and paul mcbeth have quite different form even though they are both great, you can't really compare their form.. are you going to claim that everyone that throws bombs uses "THE DOUBLE MOVE?" i seriously doubt any of the top bombers think about this double move, instead they are simply keeping their other arm out of the way.....
you can do the "double move" all day long but if your timing is off, your hips aren't involved etc. you are still going to have a hard time driving out of your shadow....sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but there is more to it, and its more beneficial for newbies to know that there is not some mysterious "HIDDEN SECRET" that will instantly help them throw 400+ least of all the "double move" LOL! what a joke.
Everyone -- disc golf's finest right here 😉. Thanks for the comment.
@@seekrdiscgolf yep no problem...next time I talk to Drew ill be sure to ask him why he never mentions the mysterious "double move." However, if somehow internalizing this "secret technique" somehow gets people to loosen up and improve their mechanics, then hey, a means to an end right? Just keeping it honest, because none of the top pros have exactly the same form or technique not even the biggest throwers, so its more about executing fundamentals in a way that works for the individual body rather than "top secret" techniques. But i understand you are trying to create content and get viewers with the catchy lines and differentiate yourself somehow.I can respect that at least, so ill follow =)
There are secrets that they aren’t telling us to make it go further. For sure.
Yes he uses hyperbole no doubt. Not sure it is 'double move' but most do start their shoulder roation before the disc hits full extension. Ricky, Ezra, Drew ... This is a drill. I hope it helps me. I am a puller and having a hell of a time staying relaxed and getting the benifit of my hips due to lack of lag.
I was pumped to sign up until I looked your coaches up on PDGA and realIzed you lied about your ratings. They weren’t as high as you said (even though 930 isn’t that high anyway) and I noticed David Klasser has not been performing very well in his tournaments. Feels like false advertising.
Yeah, so I’ll sucked the past 4 tournaments. Windy and baaad putting. :) I’ll get back to we’re I used to be.