What is Disc Golf Rounding?! Plus, How to Fix it for GOOD!
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2022
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What is rounding in disc golf? What does it look like? How do you fix it?
David Klasser from Seekr Disc Golf explains.
Good drill, similar to what I'm doing in my "Don't Spill the Beverage" vid starting around 3 min. Your explanation of rounding is not correct though, it has nothing to due with the elbow extension as bent elbow reachback styles like Seppo and Emerson are not rounding...
Typically rounders plant into wide open stance which causes them to rotate forward too much and collapse the shoulder joint so the upper arm is hugging the chest and so they can't create enough space to hug the disc into center chest and redirect it back out away like I talk about in my "Stop Hugging Yourself/Rounding - One Arm Olympic Hammer" vid.
"Reaching out to the side" aka "wide rail" is a way to keep the shoulder from hugging/collapsing on approaches and shorter drives where your shoulders aren't turning all the way back.
You can reachback behind your body if you turn your shoulders back far enough so that the upper arm doesn't hug or collapse against the chest. Paige Pierce and Catrina Allen, and GG and Kyle Klein are prime examples, and anyone doing a 360.
Great tip for stopping the rounding of a throw. The rounding cancer will soon be stopped and God Bless you for this wonderful lesson. The broom trick is a God Send!
I've seriusly been playing disc golf recreational for 33 years 🙄🤪🤣 Love the game. My short game is excellent, my long game comes up short😂. I'll be 49 on the 27nth of this month. I hit a Plateau a few times, Maxed out at 268ft, muscling the disc standing still with rounding. restricted to standing still do to a spinal chord injury supported by rods & screws. Started to pitch my disc like a baseball player throwing with my glove hand. gained 30ft with🤪 roundinding still, maxed out at 298ft with some freak accidents at 310-320ft 😅 with all this being said, I changed three things & gained a whopping 112ft from my max of 298ft. I thought it was a fluke & repeated an average distance gain of 93ft. maxing out a average of 391ft. Here is what I changed to achieve my max average of 391ft. 1- Started the x step run up. 2- lowered my center of gravity by bending my knees, making sure I was always smooth,balanced while maintaining my shoulder height the same throughout my run up like a ninja creeping up on somebody 🤣. 3- fixing my rounding for good, by watching this video. I've seen 100s of great videos on form & to help stop rounding. But none of them helped the rounding problem as much as your video did for me. You've helped me in a way that I'm able to never have the rounding sneak backup on me without me noticing. My rounding is officially gone forever, THANKS TO YOU. Thank you for changing my life. Now, I may actually Join the PDGA for the first time & go out to compete in the tournaments. This is exciting news for me. 😉👍🏼Thanks Again.
Such a great visual explanation! Thanks for sharing this Dave.
The eye in the sky view was awesome! Also having the cones laid out and explaining the "V" shape really gave a good visual. Thanks dude!!
The timing on this video couldn't have been any better!! I'm addressing the issue of rounding in my own game. Thank you for providing the explanation and the drill.
Edit: Camera angle - "Top down round found"
So glad we could help! :)
The camera angle above looking down is either called an aerial view or birds eye view.
Great video on how to stop the rounding on the throw.
Big fan! As a disc golf channel myself, I love the quality of your content. Keep doing what you’re doing! Great advice for those with this commonly bad form. When I first started playing back 2005 (before UA-cam) this is definitely what I did. Such a change in my distance when I started to adjust from this to more proper form! Cheers!
Thank you! ❤️ same with you. Keep it up.
Got a chance to work on technique, work great! TY. It's a little stressful on the elbow, and my timings a bit clunky , but did add power, distance and accuracy.
Great Tips! Thank You!
Of course! :)
Thank you! I can't wait to try this. I am gettthings timed up better, but I definitely am rounding. I still don't bring the disc in close enough. It feels so unnatural to me. I look forward to ending my rounding problem.
Elbow out is a good visualization, thanks
Thanks for the tip! I just tried it with the broom and I must say it a good teaching aid.
It so is!! :)
I love the broom and clean up your game 😁. I was just asking my friend why I am starting to get more distance but I'm still not getting a nice S curve. He said I am rounding. The V looks very interesting. Thanks for the video
Gotta shout out Sling Shot Disc Golf for really introducing the “V” shape “pull through concept some time last year
100%! He is my coach.
I think Blake_T from DGR was really the first to introduce the "wide rail" about 10 years ago.
Slingshot seems to be a little bit ahead of the curve
Cool 4:40 elbow can't wait to try it. " As I Turn More I Round More" lol I've felt trapped or unsure of how to balance turn with a more straight back pull. TY
Actually really enjoyed the video💯 shout out from San Diego 💯
Glad to hear it! ❤️❤️
keep tilting the disc against my chest so you can see the flightplate, how do I get my below further out from the body and have my wrist locked
Five years ago Danny Lindahl released a great “Wall Drill” to get used to keeping your disc straight and eliminate rounding. The video name is “All my favorite drills”.
He has some really good drills in it that helped me get much better in a short time.
Nice. Thanks for sharing.
Danny's the best Imo
Thanks for the vid! Does working out with weights help a person with distance? Keep up the great content!
100% 💪💪💪
Been disc golfing for decades. I can tell, this will certainly help my game. Thanks!
edit: LOL, I just checked my throw without the broom practice, and I don't have rounding as a problem. So my throws are the same. I guess decades of throwing makes your body learn how to throw straight anyway.
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Some insights from someone dealing with rounding:
1) Female professional Rebecca Cox rounds when she throws, but she's an exception of course.
2) Female professional Catrina Allen might look like she's rounding, but even though the disc comes from around her body, her upper arm remains at a 90 degree angle and her throwing form is extremely efficient and effective. She also corrects during the swing. See "Catrina Allen Field Session With Her New DGA Discs" for examples.
3) In my opinion, rounding isn't merely having the disc come around your body from behind it. It's when the shoulder angle is inside of 90 degrees during the backswing, which causes inefficient levers, and also dramatically increases the chance for injury. The angle issue nearly always forces the disc behind the body, but some pros like Scott Stokely will have their body between the disc and the target, but do a correction (as you mention with Paul McBeth and others).
4) To expand on what you said, the swing has 2 different arcs - 1 as the disc comes in from peak extension at the backswing, and the other once the disc passes through the power pocket, out to peak extension at the swing (beyond the moment of release).
5) If you can clean up the rear arc to where it doesn't interfere with the front arc, the disc being behind the body isn't so bad. That said, you a) want to avoid the sub-90-degree angle no matter where the disc is, and b) generally want the disc either straight behind you, or out some, if at all possible.
I personally wish there was a better way to describe the sub-90-degree (horizontal, upper arm to shoulder) problem outside that of rounding. It's a form of shoulder impingement, but outside my range of knowledge. But I also see it everywhere, and practically everyone that rounds, does this.
Anyhow, great video David!
Thanks Nick!!
I honestly didn’t know what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ve been trying to break the 300 barrier and every time I tried to add any power my disc would turn hard right. Can’t wait to drill and improve. Thank you.
You can do it! Checkout our disc golf app at our website to really level up. Or, keep watching our videos. Glad to have you!
The best way it’s been described to me is to snap your arm like a towel (not like you’re snapping a towel but like your arm is the towel
I've finally gotten 'rid' of my rounding, but what i've discovered from filming myself is, when I do the pull through my lead shoulder (right shoulder) shrugs up to my ear. No matter how much I concentrate on keeping it down, it does that. So I'm coming out of the swing with a lot of power, but then all of my throws are slightly nose up and on hyzer. So even understable discs never turn over, they just flip up to flat at best. Any tips for that particular issue?
Try leading with the elbow. Extend the elbow out and pretend you’re breaking down a brick wall with only your elbow. That should mitigate the use of your shoulder.
@@seekrdiscgolf Thanks for the quick reply! I'll try that. one thing I have also noticed on film is my elbow/whole arm gets ahead of my upperbody, so when I'm hitting the release point my arm & shoulder angle is greater than 90 degrees. That makes me think I might actually be using too much elbow?
@@jasonmiller7800 if that’s the case, you are using too much of your elbow. You must focus instead more on the coiling of your core then (abs). Your elbow, top shoulder, and hip should be in a line from top to bottom when you coming through the power pocket. simply turn more back with your core.
@@seekrdiscgolf Ah, yes! That would be my problem them. My elbow is furthest forward, then my shoulder, then my lead hip, so I almot get a weird rounding that occur at the end of my swing. I'll work on engaging my core more next time I'm doing field work
Just started watching your videos, gotta say you definitely have a way with breaking things down so they're easy to understand and simplifying things. Im trying to fix 20 years of bad form and habits due to never seeking any guidance or help. Its gonna take some time, definitely would be easier to start from scratch then having to unlearn and relearn. I started with your robot drill and trying to build up muscle memory. Im having a ton of problem getting my arm to go back to the power pocket stage after twisting my upper body and shoulders. After the reach back, not that I'm literally reaching back, just calling it a reach back, my arm wants to go straight to swing and throw rather than bringing the disc back to my chest and then leading with the elbow. Not gonna lie, I'm struggling to get my body to "learn" this but I'm going to stick with it. You dont happen to do any in person lessons do you?
So glad we can help! You can do it. It’s all about muscle memory and time out in the field.
We do in person and virtual online lessons! In person in Kansas City, Mo. head to our website, seekrdiscgolf.com/lessons. :)
@Seekr Disc Golf Yea I'm definitely considering doing the online training program. Only thing I worry about is not having any feedback to know if I'm doing certain aspects of the training drills right or wrong, thats why I was wondering about in person lessons. My forms pretty busted I'd imagine. Never really even considered learning the proper form until a couple years ago. By then I've had many years of improper form and its harder than I ever imagined to correct this. Not sure what my main issues are, I'm sure if someone saw me throw they could find plenty of flaws. I imagine it would be rounding my arm instead of following straight through and hitting the power pocket. I don't ever think I've had a proper power pocket lol. When I say I'm horrible, let's just say I struggle to hit 250', definitely don't do it consistently, and when I do, I'm not even sure of what I did. It's a huge mess but I absolutely want to learn the right techniques to get my form at least improved. I went from playing 5 or 6 rounds a year to throwing 4 or 5 rounds a week since last year. Of course throwing more often doesn't matter if you're using improper form because it holds you back from ever improving, which is exactly where I'm at. I probably don't throw any farther/more accurate now than when I first played about 19 or 20 years ago. I'll tell you this much, if you can help me improve, then there is nobody else on the planet who can't benefit from your lessons!
I enjoyed this video!!! I would say I think body top makes a difference as well as flexibility
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Could you set the intro to the theme of the 6 million dollar man?
'Plan view' because it's orthogonal to the floor.
Talk about first-world mentality.
Calling rounding "cancer" is extremely hyperbolic, and no doubt offensive to a number of people that _actually_ have cancer.
what is this seekr
"third person view"
Stop using the word cancer. From a scientific standpoint, it doesn't correlate because cancer is a mutation from an original form, and rounding is not a mutation but an actual bad form problem. From a human perspective, it is insenitve to anyone who has had cancer affect these lives. I understand the point you are trying to make but be more impeccable in your word choices
Thanks for your comment man. Appreciate you.
@@sriousprobs477 Fantastic your wife recovered from her cancer
+1 for not comparing bad form to cancer
This is a sports analogy . We used to run drills called “suicides”. You’ll be fine
Medical science for living tissue maybe. We also call rust in car metal cancer, there is concrete cancer or where the metal supports rust. He is using it as an analogy to describe how it deteriorates your form like rust does to metal. We also say racism, violence, etc is a cancer to society. Relax a little… you should be ok but don’t forget to like and subscribe 🙂
Excellent explanation and video, keep it up!
Get to the point dude
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