What your fingers should ACTUALLY be doing when playing DOUBLES
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
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Have you been confused in any way with all the information out there on doubles and using fingers to play quickly? This concept can easily get too complicated, so we’re going to simplify and demystify it today.
This is what your fingers should ACTUALLY be doing when playing a double stroke roll. Your fingers’ job is to take the rebound that’s already there and REINFORCE it, which makes the doubles faster and louder. I’ll show you exactly how to do this step-by-step, and we’ll have you building your finger strength and agility in no time. YOU CAN DO THIS. Let’s get started.
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I'm a guitarist and I've been teaching full time since about 1991. I took a couple lessons on drums last year, and I'm trying to convert my guitar/music knowledge to drums. I really appreciate this lesson and the free pdf. Thanks very much, you're a great teacher.
This man really KNOWS how to teach!!
Guys, muscle memory is the key. As he mentioned do the basics stuff daily even if you are doing wrong. There will be a time where you accidentally just for a moment your double will come correctly. Remember that moment and practice. For 3 months I Just did this only. Now I am surprised that I am able to do it but not at very fast speed but like 100 bpm. Looseness and muscle memory is the key. Ty sir for the tutorial
Also check out Rob Brown. His 20 minute double stroke exercise helped a lot..
Perfect timing on this one for me. I just started playing drums about a week ago - ordered a reasonably-priced electric kit. I have some limited experience on drums playing basic beats, but now I'm taking a step back to properly learn the fundamentals. It's turning out to be much more difficult than I had anticipated lol, but this video was super helpful. Really concise explanations and great demonstrations!
I’m in the same boat currently. Little previous experience but fundamentally I need to put in more work. I’ve been watching tons of videos and this gentleman as well as another have been just what I’ve been looking for. They get in depth and explain just the way I need it. Rob Brown is the other guy I mentioned.
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This is me too. I used to brute force it in bands in the 90s, and sounded good, but i couldn’t play fast and i couldn’t play long. Much less long AND fast 😂 This video is sO helpful.
Thank you man! I'm 47 and started learning to play drums earlier this January. I bought some 7a sticks and a drum pad. I've been practicing double triples and paradiddles every night for nearly a month now and your videos have been a big help! My control and speed have really improved after learning how to just hold the sticks. One big thing I've been working on is not dropping notes on my off hand at speed. I've noticed that as i get faster my left hand seems to want to skip the rebound and ends up playing a single. So I've been taking time to just play with my off hand for part of my practice time and it's helping.
Try accenting the 2nd stroke of the double for cleaner rolls at high speeds!
Nice to see the breakdown on how the technique works for this.
Just watched this again and it’s suddenly making sense. I think up til now I was simply doing fast singles, at least that’s what it felt like, so off to practice practice practice. My older hands need to use finger and wrist movements but I see now that that’s ok. Thank you Stephen and a Happy New Year to you and yours 👏🌹🇦🇺✌️
Excellent advise! Thank you for the insight which resonated with me immediately!😊
Thanks for all your fantastic videos! I've learned so much and really appreciate not only all this great knowledge that you've decided to share, but also the way and format in how you share and explain it. Your a very patient and an outstanding drum teacher. 👍
This was a super helpful lesson! I went to download the guide though because I am still SO weak in my left hand - it's so frustrating. Excited to practice this everyday and get better!
Thanks for the really clear explaination. It help me a lot! Great content as always, many thanks!
Great presentation Stephen. I too got into using the middle finger. But you hit on all the pitfalls and how to overcome them. 👏
Just thought I'd add something I've personally found while trying to fine-tune this technique (still a work in progress I was happy to see this upload). For me being able to keep my grip relaxed was what was keeping me at around 145 bpm, but I found switching to using a middle finger fulcrum instead helped with relaxed finger control a ton. A lot of people seem to stick with their index finger for the pinch point/fulcrum in german grip at first, but learning to use both was really crucial for me anyway.
I will definitely try this out. I've always learned it with my index finger. This is my homework now😂
@@audunkippenes4132 it feels crazy awkward at first because you gotta figure out what to do with your index finger than, but when it comes to finesse ghost notes on the snare, and faster doubles, it gives a lot more control. (In my experience. Hope it helps)
I agree, loose grip and middle finger fulcrum are key things when playing doubles
I have been teaching guitar for decades. You know exactly how to break something down to its fundamentals and build on it. Bravo. This is the way.
This was really good. I got to start practicing it. Thank you
Stephen Clark is excellent. He knows how to explain things properly and shows how it's all done with handling the drumsticks. I have been attending drum lessons for nearly a year and I have been handling the drumsticks a bit wrong until I realised with this Stephen Clark video on what to do.
So glad I found your video. I've been struggling with this and now I see why! This is the best explanation I've seen for Doubles! You're a great teacher! Thank you!! Now off to practice.... 🙂
Great tips Stephen, indeed a great way to increase flow and smoothness of doubles.
Thanks for the info on application, really useful to know how these exercises might translate to more realistic areas of playing.
Also, what is that snare practice pad your using? Looks super handy for keeping noise levels down
Good video. Well done. You explained this really well.
Amazing
Sooooooo helpful
Thank you so much! Yes, this very much breaks things down and helps me understand some of the barriers I have. WOW!
thank you stephen for all your videos, i've started watching many of your videos and all helpful. im about to purchase myself an electronic drum kit. can't wait to get started :)
Thank you for the help
Your the best teacher I've seen on UA-cam 👍😃
You explained everything well
Thank you good sir!
Thanks Stephen! Your lessons are always very valuable. The leg roll really works. Even a pillow will help to build fingers strength.
Thank you for your passion. This is a superb stop in learning how to unlock personal development.
Thank you!
Another great lesson, thanks!
Helpful video!!! Thanks for sharing Mr!!! 😊🥁🇵🇭
Playing the fast shuffle groove is one of the most fun ways to practice this, particularly if you underpin it with a quarter note "stomp" beat on the bass drum 😎 Cool lesson, man.
Awesomeness!!!
Nice🔆 Thankyou
Very good video with a lot of crucial details! My single stroke rolls are a bit messy too (weaker sound of the left hand ; and never really feels at ease with them when going around the kit from snare to toms). Could you make a video about this as well?
Thank you for this well-explained lesson! I had heard before the suggestion (e.g. from Jim Chapin) to play doubles with the accent on the second stroke, which makes for an even and unaccented roll when played quickly. But I didn't understand how to accent the second stroke if it is to be played as a rebound. This is the first video I've seen which explains how to achieve this.
Are there two schools of thought for playing doubles? It seems that either the second stroke is played as a rebound, or as another down stroke with the wrist. Jared Falk even suggested practicing doubles on a pillow, where there is no rebound.
Hi Stephen. To try and re-jig my LEFT HAND doubles I've been trying this:- 3/4//: 1 (e &) A 2 (e &) A 3 (e &) A / 1 (e) &A (2) E& (a) 3 E (&) A :// Strict 1/16ths. All notes in ( ) counted not played.
Great thoughtful work as usual from you. Once upon a time (with trad grip) I had very good doubles. Been struggling for ages with Matched Grip. Cheers...Graeme from Brisbane Australia
What a great teacher!! I've been struggling with this for ages but now I have something meaningful to practice on my new practice pad. I just have to find a way not to drive the wife up the wall :)
Love your videos… I’m learning a lot 👌
Hello Stephen, I really enjoy your calm and measured approach, there are too many loud and showy chop fiends out there. I am 62 and have been playing live and studio semi pro since mid teens. I now use traditional grip for practice on Roland TD 17 at home and occasionally live. There are so many theories out there about bounce and control, push pull, moller, fingers etc etc. Can you suggest anything to develop evenness and speed in singles and doubles for traditional grip. I would really appreciate your Ideas and input, Michael, Dublin
I didn't know I'm doing 2 single all the time. Thanks Stephen!
Hi GREAT VIEDO AND SUBSCRIBED but I have a QUESTION regarding 8:24. I am right at the very beginning of learning and doing the loose drop of the stick initial exercise where it is resting on the middle finger and other fingers are bot gripping. Surely the initial lift of the stick (before letting it go to bounce freely matters. If I lift my hands upwards with the stick supported on my middle finger (and not gripping with the other fingers) the heel of my hand hits the end of the stick nearest my body …. This seems to push it down so that the tip rises. However, you seem to be raising the stick by gripping with all your fingers and then letting go. So should one always be gripping with a closed hand on the stick raise or flicking the tip upwards by using the heel of one’s hand (as one bends the wrist) and keeping a loose drip? Hope that makes sense …Many thanks Paul, United Kindgom.
In depth lesson for anyone who wants to improve their drumming. Thanks 👍
I've been playing for year's but don't don't mind going through everything I'm doing at any time for practice routines and techniques of playing.
I really like the fact that there's so many drummer's out there today, I thought the industry and art of playing accoustic drums was all but over.
Even before the Pandemic i kept hearing, would you mind using a Cajon or some other percussion instruments?
I'm a bit old school and do like percussion of all forms but nothing like playing a drum kit.
I think mostly money has dried up for paying bands in a full set up kind of way, sadly.
I've looked into buying a perspex screen so as not to flood a stage or venue with the drum kit sounds.
I'll keep playing no matter what, whether it's just practicing rudiments or rhythms and beats that just feel good or I find challenging.
Thanks for the videos NGD!
great stuff!! 🎼🥢🥁💙
So, do you return to index fulcrum at higher tempos with fingers? Is it possible to do fast doubles with Moeller alone? Is there any finger work in Moeller or is it all movement of arms and wrists and rebound?
Thank you Stephen.... R3N
Thank you for the lesson, i just started working on doubles last week, I was taught French grip so I will have to find someone to show me how to hold the stick in the molar style… I am blind so I can’t see the hand positioning🤍🤍🦋🦋🦋🥰🥁🥁🥁🥁
This Rona sucks with no in person lessons
Great lesson. Any pointers for using a traditional grip with left hand instead of matched?
Traditional grip, if done right has many individual nuances that are key. Honestly I wouldn't ask that question here. Yes, I play trad.
What kind of pad do you have. I’m shopping around. Reviewing. Thank you.
This is absolutely superb. Great level of detail. Loved it
Is there exercises that can help relieve arthritis hand pain while drumming?
Is there a benefit with using your first vs middle finger for your pivot? I'm at 170 - 185 bpm powerful sixteenth notes, but can't seem to use my fingers to help past this.
So hear may be a dumb question, I’m playing on a td-17 if the mesh is not tight enough will that or could that be problem for doing doubles, there would be less rebound ? How do you know if there is enough tension on the mesh head.
Saw immediate improvement after just a few days.
With this technique, it relays in the rebound, but at the end You mentioned práctice with a towel or your leg where there Is no rebound, si how do You achieve that without the rebound help?
I find it difficult to make the pivot with the middle finger. My pivot has always been with the 1st finger and thumb. But it looks more effective.
Thanks so much, this is a really great lesson, so easy to follow and understand, and great visuals so it all makes sense - cheers :-)
This is awesome, I can't wait to try this! My doubles are normally quite tight at fairly fast speeds, but when I've been getting to really fast speeds, they're a little bit sloppy. What are your thoughts on doing this technique at a quiet volume?
Towel over your pad on the side of your weak hand really helps also.
I was literally thinking this today! I'm still very new, but as I start to try to push past 70bpm 32nd doubles, I start to get lost. Like, I knew a second ago what my fingers do, and now it's gone.
It’s like you read my mind!
Great technical video Stephen! I see that you have an Aquarian practice pad. What size is your snare vs. the pad? Is there anything you do so that the snare is not making it's sound with the pad on?
Just turn snares off. I use these pads on all my drums. Great feel and worth the investment. Oerfect for quiet playing. Mesh pads are not good for any technique.
@@rondeangelis7384 Thanks Ron, now I just need Stephen's snare size & the size of pad or model number he has.
@@mister.wizard im sure he has a 14” snare. But buy whatever pad size for your snare your using.
Thanks Stephen, this is a really good video. Of course, there's tons of "Doubles" videos already, but this one is really good to follow and valuable.
Yes, yes yes
Good lesson, but I'm worried about the iMac perched on top of that stool
Needed this so much. My teacher has me drilling doubles at home and i struggle a lot 😂
Quick question, my son has a Pearl Roadshow and been asking to add a cymbal. Roadshow came with 2 cymbals but he said he needs 1 more but doesn't know which one to buy. can you help?
Some beginner sets only come with Hihat (14“) and Crash (16“) cymbals. What is missing is the Ride cymbal (largest cymbal, 20“ most commonly). Hope that helps :)
@@schoolofrockwhv Thanks that did help. Goodluck with your site.
12:25 is where the Push/Pull lesson begins
I checked if he was accurate about that being 120bpm.... I'm impressed lol
Mohler on the Hi-hat can be reversed for accents on the simple off-beats instead for a hip-hop feel - I used this in Maroon Five Sunday Morning for an upbeat feel:
m.ua-cam.com/video/S2Cti12XBw4/v-deo.html
House of the Rising Sun with Animals good for adding the double in Time
Why do I struggle so much on double stroke rolls?
There is no free guide now.
Well my top high hat tube fell through the bottom high hat and i cant remove it... can you guys help?
Decent info. But what you said was push/pull wasn't exactly right and your Moeller isn't right.
first??
im so early its still no views 😂
@@Gruxxan I was watching my inbox without blinking for many days waiting for this lesson and have signed affidavits from multiple witnesses to prove it in open court. I didn't want to spoil the blank comments section, but now that you and your ilk have sullied it ....
Practice with brushes. That'll make you honest.