My brother & I have an aggressive form of arthritis that includes Osteo. He noticed many years ago after he ride his motorcycle he got some pain relief and just sort of felt better. Shortly after.he told me I found a notice about independent trials being run with a vibration macine improving people with arthritis. At that time about 25 yrs ago the machine used was nearly $4,000. - way out of our reach. I had always noticed that after I rode on the back with my dad or brother I felt better but thought I was imagining it maybe. Same result riding our large scooter. A reg sized larger type motorcycle is one huge vibration platform. The more we rode the better we felt. This is the first I’ve heard about this in 25 yrs. Thank you.
Also interesting that vibration is good for muscles and bone, humming is good for the vagus nerve, and rebounding is good for the lymphatic system. Our bodies NEED this kind of movement!
I absolutely love my vibration plate. I found it at our local Sam's club. I let my cousin, he recently had knee replacement surgery. I asked him to give a try, he absolutely loves it and feels like he's had some better recovery since using it. Thank you for this video, it helped me give him enough information to even give it a try.
I have been using low intensity vibrations last 2 years, my dexa numbers improved🙏🙏 it really works i moved from osteoporosis to osteopenia without using chemicals.
That’s excellent news 🎉❤ are you happy to share what you’ve done while using low intensity vibrations? Is it exercises? Or just standing? & of course anything else you think has helped reverse your condition ❤
That is encouraging news! I’ve seen doctors on UA-cam recently say the DEXA scans are not really a good test for measuring bone density and they explain why and also speak about other testing one can do.
I watched Margaret's interviews with Dr. Rubin so many times before buying mine. I was convinced it would work, the logic seemed so clear. But during the two years I used it daily I lost a significant amount of bone. Please pay attention to Margaret's caution that the LIV machine is a supplement only. I plan to give mine away.
@@alanathompson542 I am curious if I might ask? 1. Were you also on a supplementation program during that time? 2. Were you on a very targeted nutritional program to build your bones? 3. Did you do any other forms of exercise? Thank you.
I've had horses most of my life and often would ride in the horse trailer with babies or others who needed comfort in transport, it was there I realized how good it felt to be vibrated!
I often can’t listen to most videos if folks speak slowly. I stayed with every moment and every word, and very much appreciated his expertise, and to my surprise his concise cadence.
This is interesting. I hope I can get a response. I work in the ICU as a nurse… we have a lot of patients who are bed bound. Either they have been for a long time and most likely will never walk again or they are recovering from an illness or procedure and can’t walk for a while. I’m aware the longer they are bed bound, for whatever reason, the quicker there is muscle and bone atrophy. After listening to this interview regarding vibration therapy for osteoporosis, I’m curious about something the respiratory therapists do called CPT. This setting on our ICU beds allows the bed to vibrate for 5 - 10 minutes to help with secretion/mucous mobilization. Is it possible this vibration of the bed could help repair bone density? If so, this is something very easy we could do for all of our patients.
Bri, Just a thought in reply about the bed CPT... as I understand it, for osteoporosis bone repair, gravity is important so to stand firmly on your feet is best...but I am sure anything is better than nothing- YES? bless you as you care for those in need.
@@bigestfan7 It is a Body Vibe International by V power- I've had it for at least 15 years and use it intermittently but this was an inspiration and it really helps my RA- so thank you for the effort to encourage me to use it routinely
In this comprehensive video post, I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss how low impact vibration can benefit your bone health, treat your osteoporosis, and improve bone density and bone quality.
Thanks for this information and interview. I have osteoporosis and sarcopenia. Can you comment on impact on muscle as well? I'm unable to exercise much due to chronic pain, and struggle with weight loss and esp difficulty regaining lost lean muscle mass. Would like to know about any benefits on muscle as well. Thank you.
I went from walking at my jobs to sitting on my butt driving job. Then started falling apart - TO MUCH SITTING! I knew I was right in buying a Home Vibration Plate. This confirms I am doing the right thing. Had a Dr. tell me I shouldn't use it, so I put it away. Now that my back/hip/leg pain is better I am back on the VP plate - 5 minutes at a time 3 or 4 times throughout the day. (Dexa Scan/Severe Osteoporosis. Sure compared to 35 yr. old body) Using my VP is the fasted easy way to a quick exercise, that is really helping. I also found a fast exercise Gym called the Exercise Coach with great machines - 20 min. workout. Here's to everyone's health. May we all be as healthy as we can be for as long as we can be without letting Western Dr.s slowly dissolving us with big Farma Meds. Who in the world wants to be sick and unhealthy as we age out? NOT ME! Keeping myself Healthy & Happy. Thanks for confirming I AM RIGHT with this Podcast/Video.
Thank you so much for all this wonderful information. I have a vibrating machine and don't use it. I've just been on it for 10 minutes and feel so much better now I will definitely use it every day. 👍
@@SandraA535 Hi Mark. I'd love to hear more. (Assuming you don't work for one of these companies.) I suffer from chronic pain and have difficulty w weight bearing and exercise. Wondering if this might help me get a jump start on building some strength, as I've had a lot of wasting from inactivity. Anything you can share would be appreciated. Thanks.
I'm 62, i am using on bought off Amazon. On day 10. I can say my leg, lower back pain is less. I went on utube and they do have some exercises on the vibration plate. I have made up my own route . Stretching on it to help also with balance. I have notice besides less pain. My energy is increasing and not as hungry as 8 was. I start two day's first week, 3 da6s next weeks on low no longer than 10 mins. My muscles did hurt the first week.
@@margaretmartinpt I subscribed. I have a deep respect for the work physical therapists do--and you teach Tai Chi as well! That's a rare skill set. I have a question to ask you about the platform you review in another video. How can I get in touch with you? For what it's worth, I wonder if you realize the far-reaching implications of this video. It can save lives since women with osteoporosis, as someone put it, are one bad step away from a catastrophe.
This is wonderful information and very exciting but... Can you recommend a machine that is affordable? This is far too expensive for many women who are on a fixed income.
I think this also makes sense from the quantum mechanical view. Waves are always vibrating and every apparent thing is made of quantum waves. Apparent or perceived spin is also an effect of wave vibrations. So we all need to get our vibes right. Its much like music and often even is music. Merry Christmas its the 25rh of march and that's a good vibe to import.
Wow, loved this - gave me the feeling of being at a conference or in class back in the day. Great innovative information. I will have to look into getting a device that will deliver the output that Dr Rubin discusses. It is so true we need to somehow make a habit of exercising/moving as we age. So after checking it is difficult to find info on machines that indicate the Hertz that can be delivered as I want to make sure I am getting the 30 Hertz. Often they are only referring to speed levels. Any suggestions?
They have a machine at my gym (Planet Fitness), which they call Total Body Fitness, which has this exact item! I use it at least daily. Am so excited this is something I'm doing that can help. Thank you so much!
Of course, that doesn’t mean that the medical statements he is making about the range of frequencies that are effective are not accurate. But if in the course of this entire presentation it’s not acknowledged that he works for that company, that’s a bit concerning. I admit I have not watched the whole presentation yet to see whether the disclosure was made.
So, if you already have osteoporosis will the vibration plate help reverse osteoporosis. I know prevention is better but is it useful for people who already have osteoporosis.
All I know is, my achy muscles (now 100% of the time, especially bad after several hours of cutting hair,) feel better after I use the plate. I'll find out in 5 days (first post-diagnosis DEXA) 6 months of consistent use made a difference in my severely osteoporitic hips. I'm a good test subject, as I'm in drug limbo--any improvements will be due to changes I've made in diet/activity/supplements. It hasn't been easy, as this year I also suffered several fractures/injuries. 😅
Hi, I'm in my 60's with osteopenia. What is a good quality and affordable machine I can purchase. for home use? The Marodyne LiV., is very pricey. thanks
@cheeksmcgill unfortunately I haven’t found another vibration plate of this quality on the market that anyone else makes as the vibration has to be low intensity not high as all others seem to be. Please watch another video they made talking about higher vibration plates which are on the market, and contrary to their advertising can actuality harm bones. This vibration plate has a Low Intensity Vibration of 0.4g. The title of that video: “Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?”
Fascinating, very well explained. Exciting information. Why is it not "out there " as a treatment. Older people often alone, do not want to or out walking, not into going to gym, unsure about executing exercises. This seems so much safer. 😮
I would like to know if that low vibration could damage my eyes, my retines were detached some years ago and doctors told me to avoid impact exercises. If the vibration is felt on teeth, it means that eyes tissues are also being moved...
The ending bit reminded me that when my Dad had surgery on his neck to remove arthritis and enforce it with a metal plate, he did have a special rigid neck brace that would 'zap' that area daily for many months, before he went to a soft brace for a few more months. I never asked him what type of zap it transmitted, tho.
Definitly have to try have proggesive osteopossic and worsening muscles and joints. I was always a bonerack to begin with.. Had heart transplant 23 years ago loved tenns and biking. Unfuortunly 7 yeaso ago started getting All of the parartyoid symptoms. Still waiting for surgery So many incompent doctors at diagnosis. I remember trying the T bonz device when I was younger and was thinking of buying. My shoulders have also progessively declined. Pretty sure i have Calcific Tendonites.. Very painfull to do anthing. They have a high power ultasound to help treat it but still never trid anything.
I am energized and excited. I am concerned that when i take this to my group (we already have the video) many people will respond by saying they won't need to exercise because all they have to do is stand on the plate. This SUPPLEMENTS exercise, correct? It does not REPLACE it. Correct? I spend a LOT of time convincing the members of my group to exercise daily "in a serious way" for reasons beyond the bone health issue. I want them to reduce fracture risk by increasing body strength (muscle) and balance - reduce falls etc., have better recovery. Also - very important! - most of the members are gravely depressed and frightened by their medical practitioners who tell them that they are "going to break a hip and die" and tell them that "exercise won't help" and insist only pharmaceutical intervention (which is problematic for many). From my experience, going from a sedentary lifestyle to an active one involving multiple workouts every day (yoga, then a walk, then later online dance, etc. etc.) takes one from feeling like a weak and damaged creature that is so frail that they could "break your leg just walking around" (as an ill-informed doctor once told me) to someone who feels strong, capable, and sturdy on one's feet. SO. The last thing I want to do is encourage people to "just stand on this thing and you don't have to exercise." Our members are generally older post-menopausal women with a multiplicity of medical factors affecting their bone health and a panoply of fracture histories. How can I give them this encouraging and extremely helpful information without having them think that they don't have to exercise after all? How can I make it clear that - if this is in fact the case - that low-intensity vibration therapy does NOT supplant daily exercise? By the way if you are curious, and want to "lurk" on the group (you are welcome to contribute as long as there's no promotion or advice-giving - we have other PTs as members, as well as other professionals) and it's an endless source of information, case histories, support, etc. here is the address. It's called Prolia Side Effects and Complaints and is an international discussion group that discusses FAR more than just issues with denosumab. Vibration therapy is one of them! facebook.com/groups/988541067970186.
Hi Diane. Thanks for your detailed comments. LiV does not (and cannot) replace exercise. It is a supplement to a well designed program, for those that are best suited to vibration therapy. For example, it has some effect on improving your balance but it cannot compete with balance exercises. It does not make you stronger and thereby give you the strength to catch yourself in case of a fall. It does not improve your posture. It does boost your cell activity (especially older folks) for building of bone. Next week's video (yes, there is one more) gets into this in more detail.
@@margaretmartinpt Fabulous. Exactly the answer I was looking for. I must thank you and Dr. Rubin very much for saving me from buying a product that could have done harm. Now I have to buy one that meets Dr. Rubin's parameters! I take it he has a platform - are you able to give me the product name? I understand you would NOT be promoting it. I am merely having trouble identifying on the internet which product is the one developed by Dr. Rubin. It's fine if you can't tell me.
@@margaretmartinpt MargRet, I’m walking like I’m on fire, eating a lot better, and reading your books! I’m currently having some mid thoracic back pain, along with my old injury L3/4 pain. I just omit what causes me discomfort, and do what I can? I also have a Dexa scan scheduled for this Tuesday. It is at a new facility, so I am told, I cannot compare this to all of my old ones. I am expecting bad news, as I can feel the changes in especially my back. I really don’t want to know the numbers, as I will not take Prolia or the bisphos. drugs. I want to have them on file to compare in a year, to see how I do with exercise and diet. Do you think the scans are just a waste if you have no intention to try the meds? Just wondering. I have learned so much from your YT channel and your books. Thank you.
@@margaretmartinpt was done yesterday. She wasn’t shocked or alarmed by the numbers. Which we didn’t discuss. Seeing my internist Feb 5. This is a new machine for me, so I guess previous scans aren’t comparable? Regardless, I’d like PT in person for a few sessions if I can get it. I’ll see what he says. Thank you again
Would it be possible to use me regular explanation other than medical words if you are explaining to everyone other than Margaret . Or at least show on the anatomy of bone of the body you are talking about that thank you
What is the alternative of the vibration plate especially those who cannot afford it from the least developing countries and would like to benefit from the therapy??
Dear Dr & Mary ,is this safe with artificial joints ? MARIKA B from Sydney Australia am a fitness professional ,hormones play a huge role for women over the 50's plus 60's & beyond , Thank you for a gr3at description .
I was trained in the "No pain no gain" philosophy. I am still recovering from the pain due to unintended self harm. Its all about balance, homeostasis not overdoing anything not even good things like even exercise water or air. Its all about interactions of vibrations. I do think, At least I think I do think. Therefor I think I think I am and you are you.
Yes breaks are more expensive but 3 grand is not reasonable for many people. Certainly not for me on a fixed income. Not all of us are lucky enough to afford it. It’s a little tone deaf Margaret, sorry.
would you consider hypervibe G1O MINI A good consideration with 25 hz range for bones help very costly this machine sterling stands about £ 1200- upwards . your thought please
This was great. I have 3 questions. 1. Where do I get the plate from? 2. What do I set it on? 3. How long, how many times a day. Id like to improve my bone density, Im a 47 yr old woman. Thanks 🙏
@@margaretmartinpt Marodyne manufactures the Power Plate. Dr Clinton specifically stated that the Power Plate vibrations were too strong and not effective. ‘His’ machine seems to be the Marodyne LiV, which is not listed among the Power Plate web page. They don’t sell on the web. You need to contact them in Germany. While the idea sounds great. Having to purchase something like this out of country is sketchy.
Power Plate does not manufacture Marodyne LIV and there shouldn't be any concerns because it is manufactured in Germany and distributed through an American representative. Would you have a problem buying a Mercedes or Audi because it was manufactured in Germany? How about a sauna designed and built in Finland? Then, too, the Mac Pro is the only major Apple computer to be assembled in the United States. Most of Apple's products are assembled in China. Furthermore, Germany was declared the most innovative country in the world in the 2020 Bloomberg Innovation Index and was ranked 10th in the WIPO Global Innovation Index in 2021.
I am wondering whether the LiV has any effect on the intervertebral discs? So many have problems with herniated or bulging discs. I'm wondering if the marrow has any role in the formation of the cellular structure of the discs. If use of LiV also has a demonstrable effect on the integrity of the discs, that would be another huge advantage!
How about someone who had an open heart surgery to address multiple blockages? Could they use the vibration therapy? Please advise, I don't want to make things worse for him.
so where can you buy, how much does it cost, how to use, etc .many people will buy after this study published! will help millions!! 30 hertz no.more.vibration for 2min several times per day (5) keeping knees straight standing.erect. please.share that info. thank you!!
Very interesting video, thank you both. I attend a 2 x weekly gym for people with osteoporosis and we stand on a vibration plate for 1 minute each session. From the video, this isn't long enough to be effective?? Like 5 minutes would be better. I can certainly feel the vibration in my teeth that Dr Rubin described when I'm on the vibration plate at gym. Is there a way to simulate the effect, perhaps foot drops or bouncing in my swimming pool? Between my gym sessions. These both give a similar vibration feeling. I've been on a few buses that have plenty of vibration LOL.
I cannot comment on the vibration platform you use in your gym, but not all vibration platforms are equal; in fact many are harmful because of excess g-forces. See here: ua-cam.com/video/gvtHKCdqdKM/v-deo.html Low intensity vibration is more appropriate. You likely need more than one minute a session but you should consider multiple short sessions during the span of a day. We are releasing a third more detailed video next week on this topic. Good luck and thanks for your question.
So where do you do this low density vibration? Is this kinda like one of those electrical massager that vibrates,wondering. Is this also use for osteopenia?
What if one cannot walk and has a permanent injury to the knee that cannot be operated on or replaced? I do upper body in a chair and some PT in bed. It is not weight bearing.
@wild yarns - I thought the same thing. $3k is way too expensive for something so basic. Yet it seems to be the only one that works according to Dr. Rubin who also is involved in the company that makes it according to Margaret.
@@wildyarns1894 I think there are other options. I'm looking for a vibration plate with 30hz capability. I watched a Power Plate youtube and she is "dialed" it to 30 hz and did exercises on it. The Marodyne is not the only cookie on the shelf and at 5K, it is waaaay out of reach for the vast majority of folks. Leave it to "academia" to be unrealistic. I didn't like the Dr. Rubin in an investor is this plate either.
Yay! Start early on EVERYthing now related to long-term life vitality. Skin Health/Vitamin D, Collagen; Bone Health, Gut health, heart health.. Good for you!!!!
Please watch another video Professor Rubin made with Margaret Martin talking about higher vibration plates which are on the market, and contrary to their advertising can actuality harm bones. This vibration plate talked about here has a Low Intensity Vibration of 0.4g. The title of that video: “Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?”
Thank you so much for posting this! And for being very specific with the title. I was able to find it immediately. My search on that title also turned up several others she has presented on the topic of vibration therapy.
My husband bought a very expensive vibrating machine at the county fair. He fell for the sales pitch! It’s been sitting in a spare bedroom for about 3-4 years. No one has used it. I’ve been diagnosed with osteopenia. Would this machine help me! I’m a pretty healthy, active 71 year old.
I've been through the video several times, but keep missing the part about how long and how frequently one should use the vibration plate. I thought at one point Dr. Rubin said 2 or 3 minutes several times a day. Or did I just dream that?
He did say that. You are correct. Here is a more comprehensive resource for you: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Very informative video. I have been suffering from spinal stenosis and sciatica. After one week on the vibration platform I am greatly improved and now I understand why. I only have one question. Dr. Rubin sites comparative studies but he doesn't mention the length of the study. Months? Years?
this was fascinating. thank you! just got diagnosed, surprisingly, with osteoporosis/osteopenia and doing my research. wish osteoporosis had been on my radar 20 years ago, besides it being an 'old woman's who doesn't exercise or eat right' condition!
My brother & I have an aggressive form of arthritis that includes Osteo. He noticed many years ago after he ride his motorcycle he got some pain relief and just sort of felt better. Shortly after.he told me I found a notice about independent trials being run with a vibration macine improving people with arthritis. At that time about 25 yrs ago the machine used was nearly $4,000. - way out of our reach. I had always noticed that after I rode on the back with my dad or brother I felt better but thought I was imagining it maybe. Same result riding our large scooter. A reg sized larger type motorcycle is one huge vibration platform. The more we rode the better we felt. This is the first I’ve heard about this in 25 yrs. Thank you.
Wow!! That’s awesome
Yes,i have a large v twin motorcycle feels great to ride...
Aloha hugs 🤗 will they let me try out a Harley
Does this mean sitting on the washing machine when we wash clothes would help?
I would just try a vibrating massage mat (like shiatsu) that you can lay on. Much cheaper 😃 15min 3x/week
Also interesting that vibration is good for muscles and bone, humming is good for the vagus nerve, and rebounding is good for the lymphatic system. Our bodies NEED this kind of movement!
What is "rebounding" ?
@@garykos Imagine the movement you make when bouncing on a small trampoline. In fact, many people use small indoor trampolines to rebound on.
this is the video i saw your comment @BriJammin
am the one with nerve damage that talked to you may God Bless you
@@generallee1967 best of luck my friend
I absolutely love my vibration plate. I found it at our local Sam's club. I let my cousin, he recently had knee replacement surgery. I asked him to give a try, he absolutely loves it and feels like he's had some better recovery since using it. Thank you for this video, it helped me give him enough information to even give it a try.
I have been using low intensity vibrations last 2 years, my dexa numbers improved🙏🙏 it really works i moved from osteoporosis to osteopenia without using chemicals.
That’s excellent news 🎉❤ are you happy to share what you’ve done while using low intensity vibrations? Is it exercises? Or just standing? & of course anything else you think has helped reverse your condition ❤
That is encouraging news! I’ve seen doctors on UA-cam recently say the DEXA scans are not really a good test for measuring bone density and they explain why and also speak about other testing one can do.
Recently diagnosed with Osteoporosis. This information has been more helpful than anything two doctors have given me!! Thank you so very much!
Good information! Can I get this is it for sale?
@@lana6854 what do you get?
I watched Margaret's interviews with Dr. Rubin so many times before buying mine. I was convinced it would work, the logic seemed so clear. But during the two years I used it daily I lost a significant amount of bone. Please pay attention to Margaret's caution that the LIV machine is a supplement only. I plan to give mine away.
@@alanathompson542 I am curious if I might ask? 1. Were you also on a supplementation program during that time? 2. Were you on a very targeted nutritional program to build your bones? 3. Did you do any other forms of exercise? Thank you.
I've had horses most of my life and often would ride in the horse trailer with babies or others who needed comfort in transport, it was there I realized how good it felt to be vibrated!
Horse back riding is used as therapy for people with back issues. Adults and children.
I often can’t listen to most videos if folks speak slowly.
I stayed with every moment and every word, and
very much appreciated his expertise, and to my surprise
his concise cadence.
I just speed it up to 1.25 or if they are really slow, 1.75.
Yes lol me too
This is interesting. I hope I can get a response. I work in the ICU as a nurse… we have a lot of patients who are bed bound. Either they have been for a long time and most likely will never walk again or they are recovering from an illness or procedure and can’t walk for a while. I’m aware the longer they are bed bound, for whatever reason, the quicker there is muscle and bone atrophy. After listening to this interview regarding vibration therapy for osteoporosis, I’m curious about something the respiratory therapists do called CPT. This setting on our ICU beds allows the bed to vibrate for 5 - 10 minutes to help with secretion/mucous mobilization. Is it possible this vibration of the bed could help repair bone density? If so, this is something very easy we could do for all of our patients.
Great idea
Thanks very interesting
Bri, Just a thought in reply about the bed CPT... as I understand it, for osteoporosis bone repair, gravity is important so to stand firmly on your feet is best...but I am sure anything is better than nothing- YES? bless you as you care for those in need.
@@shelliemoore6422 ahh yes that’s true didn’t think about that piece!
I use a vibrating machine each day, it is nice to hear why it makes me feel so much better! I'm age 71 with RA but still very active thank you
whta kind of machine is it?
@@rundogrun297 I have a Vibra Fit machine. Only paid $150.00. Great investment.
What kind of vibration machine?
@@bigestfan7 It is a Body Vibe International by V power- I've had it for at least 15 years and use it intermittently but this was an inspiration and it really helps my RA- so thank you for the effort to encourage me to use it routinely
In this comprehensive video post, I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss how low impact vibration can benefit your bone health, treat your osteoporosis, and improve bone density and bone quality.
Which equipment is gud one
@@ashapadil Marodyne
That was an excellent interview. Thank you sharing this information!!
Thanks for this information and interview. I have osteoporosis and sarcopenia. Can you comment on impact on muscle as well? I'm unable to exercise much due to chronic pain, and struggle with weight loss and esp difficulty regaining lost lean muscle mass. Would like to know about any benefits on muscle as well. Thank you.
I went from walking at my jobs to sitting on my butt driving job. Then started falling apart - TO MUCH SITTING! I knew I was right in buying a Home Vibration Plate. This confirms I am doing the right thing. Had a Dr. tell me I shouldn't use it, so I put it away. Now that my back/hip/leg pain is better I am back on the VP plate - 5 minutes at a time 3 or 4 times throughout the day. (Dexa Scan/Severe Osteoporosis. Sure compared to 35 yr. old body) Using my VP is the fasted easy way to a quick exercise, that is really helping. I also found a fast exercise Gym called the Exercise Coach with great machines - 20 min. workout. Here's to everyone's health. May we all be as healthy as we can be for as long as we can be without letting Western Dr.s slowly dissolving us with big Farma Meds. Who in the world wants to be sick and unhealthy as we age out? NOT ME! Keeping myself Healthy & Happy.
Thanks for confirming I AM RIGHT with this Podcast/Video.
Totally agree!
Thank you for your informative video, I have a vibration plate which has been lying idle after Covid, will definitely start using 🙏
I have Osteopenia and have been using a vibration platform since last August. I’m looking forward to my next Dexascan
Dexascan only measures your bone's capacity to absorb xray as compared to a 35 y/o woman. It's meaningless in determining bone HEALTH.
Thank you so much for all this wonderful information. I have a vibrating machine and don't use it. I've just been on it for 10 minutes and feel so much better now I will definitely use it every day. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
I use a vibration platform and it brought my body age back 15 years. I recommend it to anyone who wants to hear it.
@@SandraA535 Mark, what do you mean by your statement, exactly ('...brought my body age back 15 years.')?
@@SandraA535 Hi Mark. I'd love to hear more. (Assuming you don't work for one of these companies.) I suffer from chronic pain and have difficulty w weight bearing and exercise. Wondering if this might help me get a jump start on building some strength, as I've had a lot of wasting from inactivity. Anything you can share would be appreciated. Thanks.
@@Cybernurse2020 Some gyms and spas have vibration plates you can rent for 30 minutes to see how it works for you.
Oh my gosh i wondered about something like this. When I was young and first learned about piezoelectricty if pressure on the bone deposited more bone.
I'm 62, i am using on bought off Amazon. On day 10. I can say my leg, lower back pain is less. I went on utube and they do have some exercises on the vibration plate. I have made up my own route . Stretching on it to help also with balance. I have notice besides less pain. My energy is increasing and not as hungry as 8 was. I start two day's first week, 3 da6s next weeks on low no longer than 10 mins. My muscles did hurt the first week.
I noticed just on my first day that my lower back pain, just around my hips feels so much better already! Wow!
Truly, Dr. Rubin is a distinguished man. What knowledge!
I agree. Thank you
@@margaretmartinpt I subscribed. I have a deep respect for the work physical therapists do--and you teach Tai Chi as well! That's a rare skill set. I have a question to ask you about the platform you review in another video. How can I get in touch with you? For what it's worth, I wonder if you realize the far-reaching implications of this video. It can save lives since women with osteoporosis, as someone put it, are one bad step away from a catastrophe.
That was so informative just the information that I was looking for. Many thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I use the vibration machine everyday for 10 minutes. It works! I feel like I prep my body for the day.
I just purchased myself a machine, it will be here on Tuesday. I can't wait to give it a go.
You said it works, does it mean it improves your bone density? Thank you for sharing.
Fantastic information. I’m dealing with osteoporosis and most interested in this.
Thank you so much..I'm glad came a cross your Video.I was diagnosed with Osteopenia also I have a vibration machine now I can use it.Thank you🙏🙏🙏⚘️
Hi Margaret, does it mean a vibration platform that is less than 30hz, the one I have is 14hz, would not be effective at all?
This is wonderful information and very exciting but... Can you recommend a machine that is affordable? This is far too expensive for many women who are on a fixed income.
Very interesting! Thanks for this topic, it’s inspiring!
I think this also makes sense from the quantum mechanical view. Waves are always vibrating and every apparent thing is made of quantum waves. Apparent or perceived spin is also an effect of wave vibrations. So we all need to get our vibes right. Its much like music and often even is music. Merry Christmas its the 25rh of march and that's a good vibe to import.
This was so interesting. Professor Rubin was so clear in his discussion of a complicated subject. He was very engaging.
I agree! Thank you.
Wow! Professor, everything is clear. You’ve made it easy to understand.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, loved this - gave me the feeling of being at a conference or in class back in the day. Great innovative information. I will have to look into getting a device that will deliver the output that Dr Rubin discusses. It is so true we need to somehow make a habit of exercising/moving as we age. So after checking it is difficult to find info on machines that indicate the Hertz that can be delivered as I want to make sure I am getting the 30 Hertz. Often they are only referring to speed levels. Any suggestions?
The only one I have found is a lady (PT) on BOb & Brad who has a machine for 5000.00
At .y gym they have a Red Light machine that includes vibration. I've not used the vibration but I will now. Not sure of the level. Check it out😊
Hertz is speed = vibrations per second.
Nice topic And beautifully expressed by Respected Sir, Clinton Rubin!!! Loved/ Liked it!!!🌿
Thanks for the useful information.
They have a machine at my gym (Planet Fitness), which they call Total Body Fitness, which has this exact item! I use it at least daily. Am so excited this is something I'm doing that can help. Thank you so much!
The only commercially available vibration platform that meets the specifications stated by Dr. Rubin is the Marodyne.
@@margaretmartinpt A $3000 vibrating plate doesn't help a lot of people. Just a few folks have that kind of extra $$. Does Dr. Rubin own Marodyne??
Of course, that doesn’t mean that the medical statements he is making about the range of frequencies that are effective are not accurate. But if in the course of this entire presentation it’s not acknowledged that he works for that company, that’s a bit concerning. I admit I have not watched the whole presentation yet to see whether the disclosure was made.
I go there and use it too !!
I have lifepro rumblex 4d. They say set it on pulsating motor at speed 15 and that is the 30hz.
Thanks SO MUCH FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE 👍
So, if you already have osteoporosis will the vibration plate help reverse osteoporosis. I know prevention is better but is it useful for people who already have osteoporosis.
All I know is, my achy muscles (now 100% of the time, especially bad after several hours of cutting hair,) feel better after I use the plate. I'll find out in 5 days (first post-diagnosis DEXA) 6 months of consistent use made a difference in my severely osteoporitic hips. I'm a good test subject, as I'm in drug limbo--any improvements will be due to changes I've made in diet/activity/supplements. It hasn't been easy, as this year I also suffered several fractures/injuries. 😅
Hi Cindy, Can you please come back and let us know your results/
Is it safe for disc degeneration/bulging discs? I know that WBV is bad for it, so how would this be safe, since it is a type of WBV?
Hi, I'm in my 60's with osteopenia. What is a good quality and affordable machine I can purchase. for home use? The Marodyne LiV., is very pricey. thanks
@cheeksmcgill unfortunately I haven’t found another vibration plate of this quality on the market that anyone else makes as the vibration has to be low intensity not high as all others seem to be.
Please watch another video they made talking about higher vibration plates which are on the market, and contrary to their advertising can actuality harm bones. This vibration plate has a Low Intensity Vibration of 0.4g. The title of that video: “Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?”
@@rosies3622 Thank you.
Fascinating, very well explained. Exciting information. Why is it not "out there " as a treatment. Older people often alone, do not want to or out walking, not into going to gym, unsure about executing exercises. This seems so much safer. 😮
Hi I had a detached retina a few years ago. Would this device increase my risk of another?
Thank you, excellent video.
Glad it was helpful!
I would like to know if that low vibration could damage my eyes, my retines were detached some years ago and doctors told me to avoid impact exercises. If the vibration is felt on teeth, it means that eyes tissues are also being moved...
Thank you so very much ! !now i understand how even being slim,exercising ,eating right i was diagnosed w Osteoporosis
I am waiting for your machine.
The ending bit reminded me that when my Dad had surgery on his neck to remove arthritis and enforce it with a metal plate, he did have a special rigid neck brace that would 'zap' that area daily for many months, before he went to a soft brace for a few more months. I never asked him what type of zap it transmitted, tho.
Thank you, great information, my question is whether this would affect a pacemaker?
I think I read that you shouldn't use it with a pacemaker. Google it and check with your cardiologist.
I read a cats purring is good vibration for bone
This is a very informative interview. I need some recommendations on specific platforms that performs at 30 hz.
I don't see any yet that go that high. 30hz seems high to me. I wonder if he miss spoke?
Read through the comments. Margaret posted a link to a device called Marodyne.
I haven’t checked it out yet but plan to!
How about a vibrating bed?? I have the vibration plate also, but with both, I’m wondering what all the jiggling might be doing to my brain.
So interesting. I am wondering if vibration has been studied in relation to dental implants or periodontal health.
Definitly have to try have proggesive osteopossic and worsening muscles and joints.
I was always a bonerack to begin
with.. Had heart transplant 23 years ago loved tenns and biking.
Unfuortunly 7 yeaso ago started getting All of the parartyoid symptoms. Still waiting for surgery
So many incompent doctors at diagnosis. I remember trying the T bonz device when I was younger and was thinking of buying. My shoulders have also progessively declined. Pretty sure i have Calcific Tendonites.. Very painfull to do anthing. They have a high power ultasound to help treat it but still never trid anything.
This was absolutely wonderful.. wish all my teachers taught in this manner ❤
I am energized and excited. I am concerned that when i take this to my group (we already have the video) many people will respond by saying they won't need to exercise because all they have to do is stand on the plate. This SUPPLEMENTS exercise, correct? It does not REPLACE it. Correct? I spend a LOT of time convincing the members of my group to exercise daily "in a serious way" for reasons beyond the bone health issue. I want them to reduce fracture risk by increasing body strength (muscle) and balance - reduce falls etc., have better recovery. Also - very important! - most of the members are gravely depressed and frightened by their medical practitioners who tell them that they are "going to break a hip and die" and tell them that "exercise won't help" and insist only pharmaceutical intervention (which is problematic for many). From my experience, going from a sedentary lifestyle to an active one involving multiple workouts every day (yoga, then a walk, then later online dance, etc. etc.) takes one from feeling like a weak and damaged creature that is so frail that they could "break your leg just walking around" (as an ill-informed doctor once told me) to someone who feels strong, capable, and sturdy on one's feet. SO. The last thing I want to do is encourage people to "just stand on this thing and you don't have to exercise." Our members are generally older post-menopausal women with a multiplicity of medical factors affecting their bone health and a panoply of fracture histories. How can I give them this encouraging and extremely helpful information without having them think that they don't have to exercise after all? How can I make it clear that - if this is in fact the case - that low-intensity vibration therapy does NOT supplant daily exercise? By the way if you are curious, and want to "lurk" on the group (you are welcome to contribute as long as there's no promotion or advice-giving - we have other PTs as members, as well as other professionals) and it's an endless source of information, case histories, support, etc. here is the address. It's called Prolia Side Effects and Complaints and is an international discussion group that discusses FAR more than just issues with denosumab. Vibration therapy is one of them! facebook.com/groups/988541067970186.
Hi Diane. Thanks for your detailed comments. LiV does not (and cannot) replace exercise. It is a supplement to a well designed program, for those that are best suited to vibration therapy.
For example, it has some effect on improving your balance but it cannot compete with balance exercises. It does not make you stronger and thereby give you the strength to catch yourself in case of a fall. It does not improve your posture.
It does boost your cell activity (especially older folks) for building of bone. Next week's video (yes, there is one more) gets into this in more detail.
@@margaretmartinpt Fabulous. Exactly the answer I was looking for. I must thank you and Dr. Rubin very much for saving me from buying a product that could have done harm. Now I have to buy one that meets Dr. Rubin's parameters! I take it he has a platform - are you able to give me the product name? I understand you would NOT be promoting it. I am merely having trouble identifying on the internet which product is the one developed by Dr. Rubin. It's fine if you can't tell me.
@@margaretmartinpt MargRet, I’m walking like I’m on fire, eating a lot better, and reading your books! I’m currently having some mid thoracic back pain, along with my old injury L3/4 pain. I just omit what causes me discomfort, and do what I can? I also have a Dexa scan scheduled for this Tuesday. It is at a new facility, so I am told, I cannot compare this to all of my old ones. I am expecting bad news, as I can feel the changes in especially my back. I really don’t want to know the numbers, as I will not take Prolia or the bisphos. drugs. I want to have them on file to compare in a year, to see how I do with exercise and diet. Do you think the scans are just a waste if you have no intention to try the meds? Just wondering. I have learned so much from your YT channel and your books. Thank you.
@@sarahr2498 You should get the DEXA scan and review the data with your physician.
@@margaretmartinpt was done yesterday. She wasn’t shocked or alarmed by the numbers. Which we didn’t discuss. Seeing my internist Feb 5. This is a new machine for me, so I guess previous scans aren’t comparable? Regardless, I’d like PT in person for a few sessions if I can get it. I’ll see what he says. Thank you again
Would it be possible to use me regular explanation other than medical words if you are explaining to everyone other than Margaret . Or at least show on the anatomy of bone of the body you are talking about that thank you
You might find this blog post more accessible: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
What is the alternative of the vibration plate especially those who cannot afford it from the least developing countries and would like to benefit from the therapy??
Dear Dr & Mary ,is this safe with artificial joints ? MARIKA B from Sydney Australia am a fitness professional ,hormones play a huge role for women over the 50's plus 60's & beyond , Thank you for a gr3at description .
What about 5 minutes of running in place a few times a day?
This is the most informative information I have ever heard…..thank you.
You are so welcome
I have a vibration plate. I am a RN. I love mine. Very good information. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Which brand do you have. On Amazon the plates look like they are to high iny
What kind do you have?
Excelent. Thanks!!!
Thank you
Could light boxing, gently kicking a punching bag or punching a pillow benefit bone and bone marrow?
Could someone here please discuss how anabolic hormones like testosterone could improve bone health?
I was trained in the "No pain no gain" philosophy. I am still recovering from the pain due to unintended self harm. Its all about balance, homeostasis not overdoing anything not even good things like even exercise water or air. Its all about interactions of vibrations. I do think, At least I think I do think. Therefor I think I think I am and you are you.
Where would I get one of these impact vibration machines? Thank you so much for your good information.
Hello. Thank you. Please look at my video review of the Marodyne platform. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
Its so expensive :-(
Yes. However, a fracture is even more expensive.
Use a purring cat or two laying on your legs
Yes breaks are more expensive but 3 grand is not reasonable for many people. Certainly not for me on a fixed income. Not all of us are lucky enough to afford it. It’s a little tone deaf Margaret, sorry.
Best video!
Would a foot vibrator work?
So intriguing! Is this good if you are a female 75 just diagnosed? Or only youth?
Thanks!
Could you please explain why this vibrator is so expensive????????
Stump your heals on firm flooring, for 5 mins. your whole skeleton vibrates. Also, stimulates LYMPH LOAD to release TOXINS
for better health!!! Joy!!!
Thank you
Yes I saw a video about that 20 times a day with pauses of 30 seconds between every jump, as your brain seems to need to process!!
Tai Chi exercise
Tai Chi exercise
Recently I read about not to use VIL when you have heart issues. What is your take on that.
would also like to know. have a pacemaker too.
would you consider hypervibe G1O MINI A good consideration with 25 hz range for bones help very costly this machine sterling stands about £ 1200- upwards . your thought please
What kind of vibration machine, please name the machine?
Thanks
This was great. I have 3 questions. 1. Where do I get the plate from? 2. What do I set it on? 3. How long, how many times a day. Id like to improve my bone density, Im a 47 yr old woman. Thanks 🙏
I suggest you check with Marodyne, the manufacturer.
@@margaretmartinpt thanks Margaret 🙏💚
@@margaretmartinpt Marodyne manufactures the Power Plate. Dr Clinton specifically stated that the Power Plate vibrations were too strong and not effective. ‘His’ machine seems to be the Marodyne LiV, which is not listed among the Power Plate web page. They don’t sell on the web. You need to contact them in Germany. While the idea sounds great. Having to purchase something like this out of country is sketchy.
Amazon has multiple plates for sale..
Power Plate does not manufacture Marodyne LIV and there shouldn't be any concerns because it is manufactured in Germany and distributed through an American representative. Would you have a problem buying a Mercedes or Audi because it was manufactured in Germany? How about a sauna designed and built in Finland? Then, too, the Mac Pro is the only major Apple computer to be assembled in the United States. Most of Apple's products are assembled in China. Furthermore, Germany was declared the most innovative country in the world in the 2020 Bloomberg Innovation Index and was ranked 10th in the WIPO Global Innovation Index in 2021.
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Can you sit on the vibration plate to stimulate the spine?
I am wondering whether the LiV has any effect on the intervertebral discs? So many have problems with herniated or bulging discs. I'm wondering if the marrow has any role in the formation of the cellular structure of the discs. If use of LiV also has a demonstrable effect on the integrity of the discs, that would be another huge advantage!
This is very valuable information on so many levels. Thank you for saving my life.
Can I use the Powerplate after Hip replacement?
How about someone who had an open heart surgery to address multiple blockages? Could they use the vibration therapy? Please advise, I don't want to make things worse for him.
Thanks
Welcome
Can the Life Pro be turned to the lower vibrating frequency for the low frequency vibration?
so where can you buy, how much does it cost, how to use, etc .many people will buy after this study published! will help
millions!! 30 hertz no.more.vibration for 2min several times per day (5) keeping knees straight standing.erect. please.share that info. thank you!!
Is there anything that can be done about cartilage? is there any way, apart from surgery (joint replacement) to restore it?
How do you buy one of these low intensity devices and where?
I've been recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and am interested in trying this.
Thanks
You can contact the manufacturer here: my-marodyne-liv.btt-health.com/
Very interesting video, thank you both. I attend a 2 x weekly gym for people with osteoporosis and we stand on a vibration plate for 1 minute each session. From the video, this isn't long enough to be effective?? Like 5 minutes would be better. I can certainly feel the vibration in my teeth that Dr Rubin described when I'm on the vibration plate at gym.
Is there a way to simulate the effect, perhaps foot drops or bouncing in my swimming pool? Between my gym sessions. These both give a similar vibration feeling. I've been on a few buses that have plenty of vibration LOL.
I cannot comment on the vibration platform you use in your gym, but not all vibration platforms are equal; in fact many are harmful because of excess g-forces. See here: ua-cam.com/video/gvtHKCdqdKM/v-deo.html
Low intensity vibration is more appropriate. You likely need more than one minute a session but you should consider multiple short sessions during the span of a day. We are releasing a third more detailed video next week on this topic.
Good luck and thanks for your question.
@@bjbo72 do you know if it meets his criteria of 30 h per second? Thanks
Do u take all of the vitamin at the same time
I use it also for lymphedema from breast cancer surgery and go 10 minutes a day.
@@margaretmartinpt Hi can you please point me to this third video?
Can it help rebuild cartilage?
I have a vibration plate. What is the optimum speed to use it at?. Are the variable speed programs better?
Thank you for an incredibly informative dialog - excellent format and well done!
Would a rebounder offer similar benefits?
What machine is recommended?
So where do you do this low density vibration? Is this kinda like one of those electrical massager that vibrates,wondering. Is this also use for osteopenia?
What if one cannot walk and has a permanent injury to the knee that cannot be operated on or replaced? I do upper body in a chair and some PT in bed. It is not weight bearing.
Why is the Marodyne device so expensive? Really enjoyed this Webinar, great information!!!
@wild yarns - I thought the same thing. $3k is way too expensive for something so basic. Yet it seems to be the only one that works according to Dr. Rubin who also is involved in the company that makes it according to Margaret.
@@phammond8155 yes you are right, but here in Australia it costs over $5,000.00. Bad luck for us Aussies. :(
@@wildyarns1894 I think there are other options. I'm looking for a vibration plate with 30hz capability. I watched a Power Plate youtube and she is "dialed" it to 30 hz and did exercises on it. The Marodyne is not the only cookie on the shelf and at 5K, it is waaaay out of reach for the vast majority of folks. Leave it to "academia" to be unrealistic. I didn't like the Dr. Rubin in an investor is this plate either.
Hey, I’m a healthy, active “25-year-old” who is listening ☺️
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Please watch another video Professor Rubin made with Margaret Martin talking about higher vibration plates which are on the market, and contrary to their advertising can actuality harm bones. This vibration plate talked about here has a Low Intensity Vibration of 0.4g. The title of that video: “Is Whole Body Vibration Platform Safe to Use?”
Thank you so much for posting this! And for being very specific with the title. I was able to find it immediately. My search on that title also turned up several others she has presented on the topic of vibration therapy.
My husband bought a very expensive vibrating machine at the county fair. He fell for the sales pitch! It’s been sitting in a spare bedroom for about 3-4 years. No one has used it. I’ve been diagnosed with osteopenia. Would this machine help me! I’m a pretty healthy, active 71 year old.
Osteoporosis with anterior hip replacement therapy recommended?
I've been through the video several times, but keep missing the part about how long and how frequently one should use the vibration plate. I thought at one point Dr. Rubin said 2 or 3 minutes several times a day. Or did I just dream that?
He did say that. You are correct. Here is a more comprehensive resource for you: melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
Great information...but how do you buy the correct vibration device?
Hello. Thank you. Please look at my video review of the Marodyne platform. melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/marodyne-liv-review/
Any indication that WBV plates can cause breast cancer metastasis?
Very informative video. I have been suffering from spinal stenosis and sciatica. After one week on the vibration platform I am greatly improved and now I understand why. I only have one question. Dr. Rubin sites comparative studies but he doesn't mention the length of the study. Months? Years?
this was fascinating. thank you! just got diagnosed, surprisingly, with osteoporosis/osteopenia and doing my research. wish osteoporosis had been on my radar 20 years ago, besides it being an 'old woman's who doesn't exercise or eat right' condition!