DCS Player goes Dogfighting in Real Life
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Massive thanks to @skyCombatAce for this insane experience!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:17 Disclaimer
1:47 Briefing
2:58 Fight 1
4:29 Debrief 1
5:30 Fight 2
7:12 Debrief 2
8:07 Fight 3
9:06 Debrief 3
9:44 Fight 4
10:49 Debrief
11:28 Key Takeaways
14:14 Thanks - Спорт
Thanks for the shout out, loved the video!
Thanks, and thank you for your videos! They are very instructive!
"I have no idea how this is legal but I'm so glad it is" got me dead
Me after seal clubbing a War Thunder arcade lobby:
I’m ready for the real deal now.
Haha you can definitely try. I already get killed in Air RB so I had low expectations
@@alexandresajus air RB is easy and I excelled in war thunder so much that I went to DCS. I got pretty deadly in the 16 and 15c inPvP so I went to the Viggen and used it as a fighter in a PvP role as well. That thing is super deadly if you know what you're doing. If you maintain your speed it will delete 21's and I've even managed to out fight player 18's at the merge easily which is awesome and unexpected by them which makes them overconfident and gets them killed. If I made more money I would try this as well but props are a lot different than jets although I only liked props in war thunder which isn't nearly as realistic as DCS but at least you can learn basics there. It looks like you had fun and maybe next time I'm in Nevada I'll take a look at this and see if it's in my budget to go once
@@deekamikaze it's like if you're good at war thunder sim/rb in this case you CAN be good at DCS; seeming as sim focuses on the barebones flight basics. But not the other way around, considering real war is more complicated than who slings 27ERs first
@@belgianfried so basically war thunder is more fun for props imo and DCS is more fun for jets and helos since dcs really focuses on the realism. Viggen is #1 for me in DCS and I'm kind of cocky with it because I'm rather good with the viper so I'm taking a break from it to try to get good with the other modules I want to focus on
Attack the D point!
when a jet sim player uses a prop plane
And?
Imagine what will happen if you dogfight with Growling Sidewinder in real life 😂
Don’t give GS a F16 lol
@@JustABalrogan Extra300 will be more than enough 😂
Aerobatic planes are incredible machines, possibly the most maneuverable machines on earth, using them for irl dogfight is a neat idea
Amazing stuff, kinda reminds me my first track run after years of sim racing, I almost throw out. You did a great job not even lost consciousness there!
Haha, I should definitely try that next!
not enough g forces to lose conciousness?
@@pazsion Yeah, max g was around 5 to 8 but it was not sustained long enough to cause tunnel vision or g loc
Checked out the prices at their website, surprisingly cheap for a such experience
Yeah, I paid 2k$ for a 45mins flight over Vegas with 4 dogfights and the 3 angles GoPro footage. Definitely worth it, especially since I'm paying for 3 instructors, 2 planes, fuel...
@@alexandresajuswow...pretty cheap
Still 6 average month salaries in my country, but I expected 10k$
Sweet! I did PPL training after 20 years of sims, and yeah... I thought I knew "task saturation", but when your whole primate body is spamming events it's another thing.
the physical exertion is p crazy w/ everything u have to percieve I can't even imagine. I didn't do anything as cool as you but when i was doing emergency decent procedure my instructor was showing me a new way to do it and it made really motion sick since i wasn't ready for what it looked like, and then my entire flight was off after that, i was always behind hte aircraft. Good lesson i learned that flight was gathering myself but even know i'm not quite sure how to do that. Super awesome you had this experience its so cool!
Thanks! Gathering yourself right before is a good tip. I actually asked the guys there how they managed to do this the whole day without getting nauseous, and they said that since they expect what's about to happen right before it happens, it does not have that much of an effect on them anymore.
But yeah, the exertion was crazy. I had to lie down nauseous for the next three hours after that haha, also my legs were tired for no reason
@@alexandresajus thanks for the tip, i'll keep it in mind! Esp when i start going for my acrobatics endorsement X_X
@@michelchaman6495 Let’s go! Have fun!
Dude, what a great video! You deserve more views and subs!
Thank you!
Great video, really glad to see you getting up there and the debrief! Ive thought about this for years, still on my bucket list
DAMNNNNNN ALEX! I literally had no idea this type of this was legal. I definitely want to give this a try man
Bro I wanaa see growling sidewinder do this 🤔
In your defense, youre probably used to flying the dcs fa18c with jhmcs on, enabling you to always keep training your eyes on the bandit, while also providing you with your speed, altitude, etc instrument data. Your muscle memory took over and you did what you know. Important to check your upfront instrument panels when you dont have jhmcs 😊 would love to try this myself!! Great job!
Yes, that was definitely part of the issue. Being able to stay tally while having both speed and alt in the corner of your eye dramatically helps with energy management. I noticed the difference when going back into DCS
C'est incroyable bro, faut absolument que j'essaye un de ces jours !
great video. sky combat ace is an amazing experience and they've been doing it for many many years.
That's a valuable insight. Thank you!
I think if you were flying more PvP in DCS, you would have done slightly better, but still both the physical and mental of the real fight makes a difference.
Yes, I think so as well. I have started doing some 1v1 PvP dogfights with more experienced people in DCS. In hindsight, my understanding of one-circle, two-circle, turn radius, and turn performance was lacking. I wish I had gone into this experience with a better understanding of fight flows.
5x at theaters $75. VR,$800, $800hotas, and f18 80$. trip plus ...must be nice to have lots of extra money..
living the dream...ive always wonder how well my sim training would actually translate
I would LOVE to try this!! One day im taking a flight to the US and doing this!!
looks really fun
This is awesome man!
Thank you!
I wanna see operator drewski do this.
"I have no idea how this is legal" god bless America, i am so glad it is
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, GOD BLESS AMERICA 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
this is such a cool video
Man this looks like a ton of fun as someone who picked up war thunder seriously in 2042 (I tried in 2019 on console and got destroyed) and playing the fighter ace and Jane’s combat simulation games, it has all reignited my spark for aviation and dog fighting lol
Shit man you from the future??
@@ulli-dulli333 yes hellos I fly the f24 raptor
hope you guys wont collide with each other , cuz that tends to happened sometimes in dcs
Now I'm wondering how we're ww1 and ww2 pilots pulled it off, despite being in a plane that only relied on guns and prayers
Nice video
Youre face and mind were in the fight, but not on the flying.
Haha exactly
Really cool experience! Do you know how many G's you were pulling?
I don't know the exact number, unfortunately. The telemetry displayed a max of 5G's during the fights, but it was the maximum it could display. We could pull 8 G's with the plane, so somewhere around 5 and 8 at maximum.
Wow you actually fulfilled your dream unlike most of the TopGun fanboys. Maybe you should consider getting your license. Good for you 👍
How'd those G's feel? I'd love to experience G-Lock, but I have bad vision and don't make enough.
Unfortunately (or fortunately 😅) no G-Lock, we pulled a max of 5 to 8 Gs but I think we did not sustain them long enough to experience G-Lock or even tunnel vision. The main effect was task saturation: I just could not think about anything apart from looking at bandit and flight controls
How did you feel about having too look down near your legs too get your speed and alt. I noticed you didn't look at it much, understandably so.
Mid fight it was impossible to get a read. I was too focused staying Tally. Even when I looked, I only had a second and my brain was so out of it that I could not use the information. We actually discussed this with my instructor and he said that you’re not supposed to read speed and alt. For him, it’s so second nature that he has a good estimate of both at all times.
@@alexandresajus wow man that's crazy, but that is what time and practice brings. Thanks for replying bro that was cool AFFF
@@jaype331 Haha thanks!
no attacks from above?! wth?
So no attacks from above the 3 to 9 line which means no attacks face to face which is understandable because there is a risk of collision if we do that
how do you know if shots hit or not
Here, the instructors validated shots visually. If we were in the opponent’s control zone with the opponent on our nose, it was considered a kill
it's about 250€ / hour on cap 10 and extra 330 ~350€/h in france
Really? Do you mean flying or dogfighting? Which clubs?
@@alexandresajus Plus you need two planes to dogfignt ! Similar activities in France with fighter pilot are around 385€ for 4 rounds with tactical lesson before on Fk12 (LSA)
@@deltafox52 Pretty cool! I’ll have to look this up
@@alexandresajus look AT air combat expérience (France)
@@deltafox52 Wow! Incredible! I had no idea we had this in France, thanks for sharing
Mr moneybags
Salut, tu as AirCombatExperience pas très loin de Bordeaux, aussi cool et vachement moins chère.
Pas mal ça, je connaissais pas, merci pour le partage! En plus j’étais à Bordeaux la semaine dernière
But how do you really know if your bullets shut the targeted plan or not?
Just like in real training, you check the tapes and justify it in the debrief. When I was assigned to Eagles (F-15C not that MudHen abomination) our pilots had HUD FILM, not tapes. And for a kill, you had to have 12 frames (16mm film) on the target to affirm it was a kill. Shooting someone down in training with a real missile is how video gamers do it...the real pilots train 95% of the time like this for that rare, and small chance that they will see air combat. The fighter pilot's job is not to shoot down every enemy aircraft they have...it's to serve as a deterrence and keep the enemy from even thinking about coming into the airspace. JUICE (USAF 1982-2002) AIM HIGH
Here the instructors were just visually confirming kills: if we pressed the trigger while having nose on in the bandit's control zone, it was considered a kill. The instructor would pass the message using the radio and the opponent would deploy smoke and barrel roll.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP "Mudhen" abomination, lol as a C model guy myself, the E's put in work. They are eagles too, with different prey.
SBMM is crazy bruh
Get rid of that noise in the video and people may watch it and not turn it off.
Ah, my bad. Do you mean the airplane noise? I even have the radio and the noise on two separate tracks, so I could have turned it down.
@@alexandresajus love the plane noise :) did primary flight training in Vegas (KHND), hope you enjoyed it as much as I did!
@@alexandresajus Not the airplane noise. I showed my son and he said it was supposed to be "music"..
@@isaachartford8354 Nice! Definitely, I loved it! Such good sights as well
old man gets angry at like 30 seconds of modern music lmao