HOW To: Install a Cam and set the Timing ATC 185, 185s, 200, 200s, 200m, 200e, 200es and 200x
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In this episode, I discover a broken cam and take toy through the steps to replace it, and set the timing up from scratch going over each part and how it relates to the next.
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185, 185s, 200, 200s, 200x, 250es, 200es, 200e, 250sx, 350x, 250r
Hope you keep posting these helpful ATC videos
Wanna keep my dad's 200es going strong the best I can
Thanks friend
I will do my best. Thanks for watching. Subscribe so you wont miss any new ones.
Short story for you guys here. We picked up a pair of 200 years back, to make one good one out of two. After making one full one, we couldn't get it to start. There was fuel, spark, and air. It tried to start once, so we figured it was the timing. Adjusted the timing which wasn't too far off anyway, still no start.
What happened was the little pulse generator rotor was backwards. It was newer and clean, and I compared it to the one in the parts bucket. They were both oriented the same direction, which apparently was backwards. So the guy before us bought a new rotor, swapped it on backwards like the one he already had, couldn't start it, then sold it to us.
We then had the ignition switch all bypassed because it was falling apart and had no key. We pulled the cord a few times, thing started up, and VROOOOOOOOOOM the engine started screaming. Carb idle screw was set basically maxed out. That one was us. No exhaust on it either so it was looooud. We quickly realized oh shit, let's shut it down before it kills itself. Well of course the kill switch didn't work. So my dad just grabbed hold of the wiring harness and yanked it apart so it died.
Fun times. We got it running and working now, still a little more to go but a fun project
great story, glad it all worked out in the end. that's what make mechanics fun.
Pretty sweet. Keep it up. ATC for life!
Thank you
I've got a similar set up for brakes and foot peg on my X with an S motor. Nice rear wheels with the dual bolt pattern. Thanks for the excellent class!
Good eye Sir.
@@mrcbuilds Been scrounging used wheels and tires for years.
Thanks for the info. I'm gonna inspect the pin on mine before i reinstall my engine.
Hi Clifton, glad you see all your progress on your 200s
My 84 starts so easy the kicker would hand to give out totally for it not to be easy to start. All I need is one catch all the way at bottom of kick to start mine. But it sat outside in a field for at least 5-6 years so that’s probably the secret to why it works so well.
May be so, keep in mind many got updated by Honda back in the day, so there are many that will never slip.
@@mrcbuilds possibly it’s not perfectly solid and I think it does slip little when kicking from highest point sometime or could just be not getting it on that good compression like you feel for ya know. But usually I’ll try one maybe two like that if I don’t light up I just sit down reset to lowest point it feels it’s got compression and it’s pretty much perpendicular like a shifter and it will start. The way I discovered this was struggling to get it started the first time after I got it and I was absolutely wiped out and gave up sat down kicked it and it started and I was like hell yeah and it’s been awesome machine since🤣
Just installed new 35 tooth rear sprocket and doing new front tire today then can’t wait to test get a little more top end out of it.
That should do it. Hold tight!
@@mrcbuilds I was only getting around 40 or little over with stock gearing and I live in a POA and I want to be able to cruise around at 35-40 and not be high in rpm so this should help. Plus I’m 6’4” 230 so I can still have fun riding wheelies etc with higher gear using weight. Can you do a video on rear shock adjustment sometime? Like easiest way to access and make the adjustments.
I learn a little bit of something everytime I watch your channel. I'm glad you shead the light on which motors would go into a 200x frame, and that you metioned the 2nd gen 125M. I've never really seen one of those,(except on the internet) that has the more vertical cylinder like the 200's, compared to the older 125m's that are more common like a 110 or 90 style.
Is the power to the ground about the same with the auto transmission compared to the clutch or doe's it rob the snappy feel of engagement when shifting? oh and I just ordered two coffee mugs from you. A 250R and a 350x, those are pretty cool looking, they'll make me drink more coffee in the morning! LOL! 👍👍
I'm glad the videos helped. As for shifting the auto is softer by nature, you can hold a shift and even dump the clutch on a auto, but it takes some practice.
Literally a spring let loose on my rotor mechanism and everything when down hill from there my dowl pin was sheared
Very common problem, the springs rust and degrade. Good idea to replace them before this happen. You can cut a drill bit or a coat hanger down and make a pin. Springs are available at www.partszilla.com .
Your right on grey area with the 2nd gen 125m.they don't have timing advance
Great job!
Thanks!
Sweet ride! Learning a lot, hope I never have to do this to my 200m. 😅
You can do it!, its really not that hard.
Thnx, I'm trying. No luck on getting the new chain tight. I want to take out a link, but afraid it'll be too short. Found out that this bike actually came with a 12 tooth front sprocket. If I change that, I was told that I would have to get into the transmission. Definitely above my pay grade. 😅 my new carb came in, so I'll install this week. One I'm going to take a small engine course. Always tinkering with something. 🤔
@@rhondasibley7679 the 200m does not require going into the trans to change the front sprocket, only the 82/83 200e did that, before you cut a link out, count the currant chain links the compare to your new chain.
@mrcbuilds I appreciate that on the sprocket, maybe I can find a 12 tooth w/3 holes. Both chains are 94.
Man I’ve been stumped pick up a 85 250es and the kicker won’t move I took the case off on the opposite side and motor turns over am I missing something other then the one way ? P.s keep the videos up alright brought like 4-5 trikes back to life with your videos
Since the motor turns over, id pull off the right side and inspect the gearset on the kicker. Does the starter engage and disengage?
Quality video as always
Thank you Barnacauli.
@@mrcbuilds Yeah thanks to watching you over some time I've been able to fix my own trikes and my families along with some neighbors of mine. It's been really sweet absorbing all the knowledge you're giving out. I appreciate it 🙂
I have a question about the advancer springs. If or when they break, does honda sell replacements or are we stuck with finding used ones
You can get new ones from honda, partzilla.com and rockymountianatv
Mrcbuilds... On a kick-start ATC 200X (1985) I'm getting a small amount of oil leaking on the top of the stator-to-engine case gasket. In this video you reinstalled that gasket in fast motion @27:05 so I couldn't really see. That's not a hard gasket, correct ? It's a round, rubber-band style gasket ? You you wet the gasket with oil before bolting the stator cover back on ? Thank you for your advice.
Mike B.
Correct that is a large o-ring, i clean the surface and use alittle honda bond on it to seal it. Also this is a good time to replace the crank seal you can find them for around $5.
@@mrcbuilds Thank you so much ! I really appreciate your advice here.
Great video yet It seems I don't grasp things as well unless i do it. My 185S is has the same issues. Last night I was tinkering with it while the CDI cover was off, adn the pulseator thingy was moving fine so i dont think that pin is broke or would it sill move? My coil is reading 1.0 vs the book says .2 to .8. I have spark,compressiom, adn fuel but no fire. Any ideas on what I should do next?
Did you check the flywheel? When the T is seen in the window does the lines on the rotor and pickup line up?
@@mrcbuilds Well being as stupid as it sounds my spark plug gap was messed up, and the whole issue. Great video regardless thank you
Nice
Thanks for watching Cain. I do appreciate it. see you next week
I've got an 83 200x with the slipping kick starter. I hate to buy a good honda atc and take the engine out of it just to get mine going. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it.
This is an opportunity to buy a beater and build up the motor then put it in your machine.
Hi there your vid is so helpful but I do have a question. I have a 84 big red 200es. Electric start that I’m working on and for the crank timing marks they are different then what you have. There’s no T or F. There is just a little line inside the case and inside the pull starter. So my question is there any difference ? Something isn’t working out for me.
Hey Reckless, i think you need to look again. There will be a T and F, turn the crank over by hand until you see it.
@@mrcbuilds there’s nothing even turning inside the peep hole. It’s just a fixed line. Unless I’m totally not seeing it. Can I send you a picture somehow
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@@mrcbuilds do I need to mess with the adjustment after I change the timing?
Followed this step by step with my 200x it ran before these steps ever now i get nothing trying to kick it over ..it wont start ...
More than likely you have the rotor 180 degrees out of phase. Leave the carriage indexed and turn the rotor around then place it back in the carriage.
@@mrcbuilds so what your saying is my bottom end / rotor is 180 out
@@bigbmc935 no im saying the rotor with the magnet is out of phase, it can be placed in the carrier 2 different ways. So it will not fire at the correct time.
@@mrcbuilds gotcha 👌 thank you !
I will try this and see what happens or I may have mistaken the f for the t I'll will keep posted
Hoping someone can help me out here. I've got an 84 200s that has popped ONCE (and weak at that) on starting fluid throughout my troubleshooting.
Compression: 150psi
Spark: Yes
Timing: Yes
Valve adjustment: Yes
Cam Chain adjustment: Yes ( loosened the 14mm at TDC to relieve tension)
Exhaust pipe: no blockages
Still not getting anything on starting fluid. Carb is after market but taking that out of the equation right now as i'm not too worried about the fuel delivery as i'm battling this scenario with it not popping off. I've tried a new spark plug with no luck. I've also taken the pulse generator off and confirmed i'm lined up with the notch and in time. Do i turn to electrical at this point?
If you have spark and compression and spray and it dosent run. Then it has to be timing. I bet you installed the rotor 180 degrees out of phase. If that doesn't fix it than verify your cam lobes are down at tdc.
I've confirmed the rotor is installed in the proper orientation. I took it off and was able to confirm the pin is pointed at 11 o'clock at TDC. Locked the rotor back in on the pin but still no pops.
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@@bencrawford4748 it has to be 1 of those 4 things. Spark, timing, air/fuel or compression. Go back to the basics vefify each component, you are over looking something, we all have done it. Take a break for a few and come back at it with fresh eyes
@@mrcbuilds i'm definitely missing something simple. I did just confirm that the timing mark on the cam sprocket is lined up at TDC as demonstrated in this video. I'm going to take the pipe off again and make sure i didn't miss fluffy's mobile home.
@@bencrawford4748 watch my live video where i use the white board and go over timing. That might help
I still owe you a picture with the flag. I’m so sorry. Been studying non stop for a work certification. Will get that to you.
No worries, get that cert. Send when you can.