Llama Micromax 380 1911 Tabletop Review

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  • @milkapeismilky5464
    @milkapeismilky5464 3 роки тому +3

    I'm SO glad I picked up one of these. Your video convinced me it was a good quality pistol. My first Llama IIIa was actually a 1:1 size cap gun made by a Spanish company called Edison Giocattoli. I bought my real IIIa at a gun show when I was 21. It's a bit long in the tooth now, but I love this platform, so it's great they brought this model back, with some modern enhancements! I'd love to see a .22lr version or conversion kit.

    • @patolucaspato163
      @patolucaspato163 Рік тому

      by Gabilondo y Cia was a spanish guns factory in Eibar (Spain)

  • @randyadams03
    @randyadams03 3 роки тому +1

    3 years from upload. I bought a Llama 45acp All steel Minimax in 2000 ,she always runs. Was affordable $200 new. Thank for reviewing the 380acp

  • @bertkilborne6464
    @bertkilborne6464 Рік тому +1

    I like that lil thing - I've been telling myself not to buy any more firearms , but I might make an exception for one of these.

  • @Douglas-Ops
    @Douglas-Ops 7 років тому +5

    Fantastic looking rig! Great little package, I’ll bet it’s a fun shooter, like the .32 acp in the metal milsurp stuff. Will wait for your range video. Thanks for posting 👍🏼

  • @igotatan1
    @igotatan1 7 років тому +5

    Leighie/Underwood extreme penetrator/defender .380, is formidable ammo for this caliber.

  • @ericedwards6019
    @ericedwards6019 4 роки тому +1

    Just inherited an older one of these. My first Llama and I'm excited to shoot it. Love my Browning 380 1911 so I'm sure I'll like this one! Great vid

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  4 роки тому +1

      These may be built a little differently than the old Llamas, but congrats!

    • @ericedwards6019
      @ericedwards6019 4 роки тому +1

      @@GBGuns there's definitely a few differences but from what I can tell the older models or at least mine is still a quality gun. Glad i came into its possession!

    • @markweaks2239
      @markweaks2239 2 роки тому +1

      You wont like it. Kicks horribly due to fixed barrel/ blowback design.

    • @dylankorpi137
      @dylankorpi137 3 місяці тому

      @@markweaks2239better on recoil or worse than a ppk

  • @donnyarmstrong9559
    @donnyarmstrong9559 5 років тому +3

    Early April 2019, After watching countless videos between the Llama & the Baby Rock, I went with the Llama. After all, both are about the same $$$, but the Llama offers 2 mags & a fiber optic front sight, I was sold!
    Got the gun Thursday, 4-4-19, went shooting it on Friday, 4-5-19, sent it to American Arsenal (factory repair facility) on Monday 4-8-19. Long story short, the thumb safety literately fell off around 60 rounds into my day.
    After being at the reapair facility for several weeks, and no apparent resolution for this problem, I went to the Eagle Imports website and sent them a note inquiring as to what was happening with my repair. I was contacted by their representitive, and as it turns out, Llama has some issues with the safety falling off and other more serious problems. According to them, its possible a resolution will be coming around September of 2019.
    7-15-19, I again wrote to Eagle Imports asking for a status update, this is what they replied with:
    "We are still on target for late August early September {2019} for delivery of the replacement firearms. We have been in contact with factory on a regular basis.
    Hoping to have the test samples here soon"
    8/16/19: I wrote and heard from the folks at Eagle, at that time they stated : "We are still hoping to see something soon. Samples should be arriving soon for testing. Then replacement would arrive soon after."
    8/21/19: I asked how the replacement would be distributed back to folks like myself (recall that I sent mine in to repair back in April, it will NEVER be returned), the answer was "The replacements will go to American Arsenal and Armory first then to your dealer. We have some samples coming next week so hopefully these test perfectly."
    9/5/19: I asked how the testing came out, and inquired about the delivery time line... to date, no answer back.
    It is 9/11/19, 18 years since the attack, and I have just heard back from the fine folks at Eagle Imports. As you may recall, the week of August 26th 2019, the "test samples" were supposed to arrive and be tested. I inquired a week later (9/5/19) as to how that testing went... here is the answer I received today... drum roll please...
    "Good Morning, We have not heard good or bad....so I am taking that as a good sign? Hopefully, we will hearing something soon. Thank you for your patience."
    As Sonny & Cher famously said... "and the beat goes on..."
    9/18/19: I wrote back to Eagle Imports: I am hoping that you have heard something regarding the test samples by now, can you share anything on how that went? Hopefully, everyone is getting closer to determining the delivery time line, can you share anything on that time line yet?
    Good Afternoon: We still are waiting for the report and findings. I do apologize for the delay. Hopefully, we will hear something early next week. We at Eagle do appreciate your patience during this period of time.
    9/26/19: I again wrote to Eagle Imports, "Can you share anything on how the test samples fared?" and the response was: "What I have been told is next week we will be receiving guns from the factory to for the exchanges. Please allow shipping, receiving and delivery time to American Arsenal and Armory. We here at Eagle appreciate your patience during this time.
    Thank you"
    10/11/19: Yesterday, I received a UPS package with the replacement pistol in it. I will be taking it out and putting quite a few rounds through it this evening or tomorrow morning. I will report back with my results and hopefully be able to close out this saga with a positive note.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  5 років тому +1

      I'm sorry to hear that. Ironically my Rock Island had the same issue. I hope it's all worked out.

    • @allanulpina6696
      @allanulpina6696 Рік тому

      What happened with the replaced

    • @donnyarmstrong9559
      @donnyarmstrong9559 Рік тому +1

      @@allanulpina6696 long story short I took it out a couple of days after receiving it I have the exact same failure againand after several emails I got my money back

  • @ratagris21
    @ratagris21 7 років тому +2

    Great pistol for the "1911ish" like the AK variant looks like it it, but not exactly 100%, but maybe above 95%. Good looking little pistol hopefully it will take some quality defensive loads out of the box with no polishing involved.

  • @The_Other_Matt
    @The_Other_Matt 7 років тому +4

    Looks to be of better quality than the RIA for about the same price. MY RIA was an instant disappointment out of the box. Mediocre accuracy, magazine-related reliability issues. I was also expecting it to be locked breech like the Browning 1911 380. Ended up getting rid of it after finding a barely used Browning for a steal. I also recently picked up and have been shooting the heck out of a Grand Power CP380 after being introduced to it through your videos. Looking forward to the range video.

    • @zaitcev0
      @zaitcev0 5 років тому +1

      But the CP380 is a blowback too, isn't it?

  • @fpav4264
    @fpav4264 7 років тому +1

    I've been waiting for this firearm to finally be available. Dying to get one . I like the looks of the wood grips better. Great review and waiting for the shooting review. Thanks.

  • @leatherheadhoseck8462
    @leatherheadhoseck8462 7 років тому +9

    I'm excited to see how it runs... I want a 380 in the 1911 platform, but the Browning is overpriced, the RIA doesn't interest me... but this one? Maybe?

    • @jaybird477
      @jaybird477 5 років тому +2

      This looks identically to the RIA, but with different markings

  • @julianjones160
    @julianjones160 6 років тому +1

    I bought a Browning 1911 380 and thought hey since the 22lr version was great so should the 380 version. Well less then a week of owning it, it has given me nothing but issues! So I sent it back to Browning to see what they could do with it, so if it continues to give problems I might just sell it cheap and get one of these!

    • @karenbarger6642
      @karenbarger6642 5 років тому

      Julian Jones I expected great things, too....when it shoots, it is super accurate. The rest of the time I’m digging rounds out of the barrel, light primer strikes. I sent it back, they couldn’t find anything wrong. When it came back it shot great for two or three magazines, then “clunk,” and back to digging rounds out of the barrel.

  • @johnmckinney1493
    @johnmckinney1493 3 роки тому

    I have a minimax 45 with a trigger job and custom saftey sping housing. Love it.

  • @mikedee6173
    @mikedee6173 4 роки тому

    I have the original IIIa’s with the barrel loop in pristine condition. Great shooter, and real accurate. Locked breech, not blowback.

  • @billa.2450
    @billa.2450 5 років тому

    I have the hard chromed model of this gun now on order and am looking forward to getting it.

  • @yt_life1610
    @yt_life1610 7 років тому +1

    I want that .380! Great video .. looking forward to the Range review!

  • @AffordableArmory
    @AffordableArmory 7 років тому +2

    Is this the new trend? Browning came out with a .380 1911 style pistol earlier this year, and I believe Rock Island Armory did too. I guess options are always good.

  • @CodarzkieTV
    @CodarzkieTV 10 місяців тому +1

    LLAMA improved .380 1911 type like Baby Rock❤

  • @johnrobb3275
    @johnrobb3275 4 роки тому +2

    @2:29 -"We did another 380 1911 a while back and just kinda had some issues with it..." -Why so cryptic? Why keep me guessing? Was it a Baby Rock? Was it Browning? Colt? Was it.......?

  • @chuckfrench608
    @chuckfrench608 Рік тому

    I had a problem with the 95-grain ball jacket every day brass/ I would get a jam once or twice on every magazine, new and old. I put some 125 gr. Hyrdoshok's in there and had no issues. The particular one I bought just needed a little more explosive power to complete the full cycle.

  • @625jeffrey
    @625jeffrey 4 роки тому +1

    What 380 1911 were you referring to? Having problems with the pivot pin walking out?

  • @georgemokamad9594
    @georgemokamad9594 3 роки тому +1

    I like it, its Good looking gun. Thanks for posting.

  • @whiterabbit201
    @whiterabbit201 7 років тому +1

    I have an earlier "1911ish" Llama in 32acp that I I use as a pocket pistol on occasion. All the finish is gone and it has turned a nice brown and coin silver but runs like a champ after I replaced the extractor spring. It's a well made lil' gun, fun to shoot too! Looking forward to seeing this one shoot because I thought the Llama brand was dead and gone. Surprise! It's not!

  • @Kudu300
    @Kudu300 2 роки тому

    I have the 1976 LLAMA .380
    Originally polished blue but I had to Ceracoat since my old man has been carrying it for 30+ years before I took it over. Im an office worker so the size was attractive, its quite easy to hide. I do have some concerns with loading jams but I believe its due to me being too relaxed in the wrist. Either that or my magazines are rubbish. Ive noticed it sometimes tends to chamber the next round at too high of an angle so it doesn't just slip into the barrel, rather bumps the tip of the bullet to the top of the inside of the barrel. Let me know if any of you have noticed this issue.

  • @jesusmonarrez2996
    @jesusmonarrez2996 5 років тому +1

    Very pretty little gun like the babyrock

  • @acpacp7480
    @acpacp7480 7 років тому

    Never own a LLama, but that Micromax looks nice, also I'm looking at the Baby Rock. Besides shooting the .45 and the 9mm I do have a soft spot for John Moses Browning 380. New 380 ammo up close is serious.

  • @kkhankhalil
    @kkhankhalil 7 років тому

    Yama (LLAMA) was the choice of enthusiasts in the past, overseas. But pl. keep the fire a little extended from 3 to 5 rounds of each load. Good review.

  • @timewave02012
    @timewave02012 6 років тому +3

    I was hoping it would be short recoil like the Browning or the old Star S series.

  • @EnviousKeea
    @EnviousKeea 7 днів тому

    @GBGuns currently I have the Llama 380 and I’m looking for a replacement firing pin safety that seats under the rear sight due to the original breaking I looked on eBay and the one 2 answers I’m getting is the 45 firing pin safety and the Ome firing pin safety not sure what to invest in also heard some 1911’s are interchangeable

  • @RamonHernandez-gj4ss
    @RamonHernandez-gj4ss Рік тому

    I had been looking for a 380, and hadn't found any that would fill my eye. I'd like to know where I could get one.

  • @simonadventum
    @simonadventum 3 роки тому

    My first gun was the old version of this gun, didn't shoot it too much. Regret selling it, it was a nice little gun

  • @brianolson1158
    @brianolson1158 12 днів тому

    4 years later and I can’t find this newer version of the llama micromax anywhere for sale . Wish I could find one

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  12 днів тому

      I believe they were discontinued. When the importer changed, they sampled some and weren't satisfied

    • @brianolson1158
      @brianolson1158 12 днів тому

      Thank you

  • @Abo_Zead
    @Abo_Zead 5 років тому +2

    لاما شركة عريقة و تصمايمها حلوة🇪🇸😍😍😍

  • @skraggybones
    @skraggybones 4 роки тому +1

    A super tight slide to frame fit isn't always a good thing. All the most reliable pistols I've ever had have had some play side to side, and up and down. Gives it room to get rid of dirt and other things that can cause a tighter gun to malfunction.

  • @Purvis-dw4qf
    @Purvis-dw4qf 7 років тому +2

    Nice gun- what is the price?

  • @matthewgomez8382
    @matthewgomez8382 6 років тому

    nice setup.i had a 380 as well didnt really know much about it.. and traded it... how i regret doing that..

  • @fbweaver63
    @fbweaver63 10 місяців тому

    mine is a late iiia with some of the micromax features. it isn't 100% reliable and if i were to carry a 380 it would be my lcp2 which is smaller or my astra a-60 which has a 13 round mag. i usually carry a 357 snubbie, backed up w/ a 9mm or 40 cal. sometimes with the lcp2 as a backup in warm weather or as a back up to the backup.

  • @mr.miaumiau2892
    @mr.miaumiau2892 3 роки тому +1

    Very similar to the R.I.A. Baby Rock , am I right ???

  • @xxheartbrokexx100
    @xxheartbrokexx100 4 роки тому +1

    I have a vintage one that's nice.

  • @TartanJack
    @TartanJack 6 років тому

    I may be wrong, but looking at this I've gotta believe this was also made my Rock Island Arms but made to a better spec with the enhanced sights and different grips, etc. Somebody tell me Llama didn't contract this out.

  • @LevPicaresco
    @LevPicaresco 3 роки тому

    Nice review, Thanks.

  • @joshbenalcazar12367
    @joshbenalcazar12367 2 роки тому

    Do the sights on this one work on the baby rock

  • @sharonpond877
    @sharonpond877 4 роки тому

    Field Stripped my brand new Llama Micromax 380 and during reassembly found it nearly impossible to get the Slide Stop past the Slide Stop Plunger pin. Has anyone else had this problem? If yes, what is the fix? Or am I doing something wrong? Any videos for reassembly?

  • @jayceewilliams5250
    @jayceewilliams5250 4 роки тому

    Is it any way to uncock the pin without pulling the trigger?

  • @JuanitaHuro
    @JuanitaHuro Рік тому

    I like it; I think I'll get one!

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  Рік тому

      Unfortunately these haven't been imported in a few years. This video is from 2018

  • @fbweaver63
    @fbweaver63 Рік тому

    llama the animal is pronounced yama, also, as the double l (ll) is pronounced like a y in spanish. i enjoy your videos, thank you.

  • @cuzz63
    @cuzz63 6 років тому

    I want one of the chrome ones but people are saying these are junk.

  • @fpav4264
    @fpav4264 7 років тому

    Did you get this firearm in the 385.00 range?

  • @davejan744
    @davejan744 7 років тому

    How many rounds in the magazine??? Price??? How does it shoot??? Sorta left us hanging there bud.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому +1

      +Dave Jan welcome, you must be new to the channel. We separate tabletop and shooting impressions. Specs can be found in the link.

  • @jmad71
    @jmad71 7 років тому +1

    What's the mizzrip?

  • @johngarcia1140
    @johngarcia1140 6 років тому

    Are its parts interchangeable with RIA 1911 380?

  • @timhallas4275
    @timhallas4275 2 роки тому

    What's the difference between this and the Baby Rock? I'm betting nothing.

  • @iz-dat-Yu
    @iz-dat-Yu 4 роки тому

    I have Always felt Confident with A 380,I think it's A large enough Caliber to C & C And Protect my family/Self...I feel To carry these big Guns can be A Headache!!!

  • @2Aknight762
    @2Aknight762 7 років тому

    Has Zenith stopped producing / importing pistols? Nothing on their website.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому

      Yes, they dropped the line. Check out CDNN and the like for the remnants.

  • @curtpitonak5583
    @curtpitonak5583 5 років тому

    Does this have firing pin safety? Series 70?

  • @Hero-hs4gt
    @Hero-hs4gt Рік тому

    Have these been discontinued? I haven’t seen any new ones online.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  Рік тому

      Yes they have.

    • @Hero-hs4gt
      @Hero-hs4gt Рік тому

      @@GBGuns that’s a shame. They look like nice little pistols. Would have loved to have had one of the stainless ones.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  Рік тому

      Me too

  • @MikeBixby
    @MikeBixby 6 років тому

    it doesn't appear that the ejector is pinned in. This is a problem with the EMP as well. Glueing the extractor in the gun rather than pinning it is problematic.

  • @roldolfocordova7191
    @roldolfocordova7191 7 років тому +1

    Very nice gun..

  • @domelipadominix7257
    @domelipadominix7257 2 роки тому

    Que modelo es esa LLAMA CAL.380 aco Atte José Krauss Sánchez comandante policíaco

  • @stevenkennedy4130
    @stevenkennedy4130 5 років тому

    I carry 380 ACP every day. ( Beretta Pico, & Sig 250.)

  • @majalca03
    @majalca03 6 років тому +1

    Regardless of whether Llama refers to the animal (llama in Spanish), or the word flame (llama in Spanish), or the verb "to call" (llama in Spanish) the ll needs "y" sound as in yak, not al "l" sound as in loud.

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  6 років тому +1

      Yup, thanks, I've learned that since making this video. I speak Croatian, English, German, Russian, and Serbian, but no Spanish.

    • @patolucaspato163
      @patolucaspato163 Рік тому

      @@GBGuns llama (animal)llama (call at) pistolas llama (flame pistols) you sounds well in spanish;O.K.

  • @burfordt.justice424
    @burfordt.justice424 7 років тому

    Looks exactly like a RIA Baby Rock, - Is this the same gun but sold under the llama name?

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому +1

      No

    • @burfordt.justice424
      @burfordt.justice424 7 років тому

      They do share the same UN-availability it seems, however, Lol

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому +2

      The MicroMax was just launched. Give them a couple of weeks to trickle through the distributors.

  • @Obi61248
    @Obi61248 4 роки тому +1

    I ain’t with the drama, you can meet my Llama

  • @toddjackson4070
    @toddjackson4070 5 років тому +1

    Micromax or baby rock?

  • @azcop2
    @azcop2 5 років тому +1

    Sig P238 is an excellent..380

  • @sclapsclap177
    @sclapsclap177 3 роки тому

    So cute....cradle that little baby

  • @ericjdevops
    @ericjdevops 7 років тому +2

    I can't wait to see how Erika thinks it shoots because I'm looking for my girlfriend. Great channel?

  • @PINOYHABIT11
    @PINOYHABIT11 6 місяців тому

    How much

  • @maldohan9097
    @maldohan9097 5 років тому

    Cool thanks 👍

  • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
    @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 7 років тому +2

    Would you ever encourage anyone to carry a 380 pistol for self defense?

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому +3

      +The Triggerati if that's what someone is comfortable with. It's more about having something than not.

    • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
      @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 7 років тому +3

      So would you agree that it's fair to say that training, situational awareness, shot placement and on-body carry are more important than caliber?

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  7 років тому +4

      +The Triggerati indeed

    • @reekayeat770
      @reekayeat770 6 років тому +3

      You fill ANYONE with a couple holes and their gonna be having a bad day.. no matter the caliber.

    • @oudski
      @oudski 6 років тому +1

      An emphatic YES. There are so many great 380 rounds being produced now that are stonkin’ powerful and perform really well. The 380 is the red headed stepchild of carry rounds. Check out the available 380 rounds being produced now. It’s not like it used to be.

  • @robertobenigni1029
    @robertobenigni1029 7 років тому +2

    I like 380👍👍👍👍

  • @sphinx1020
    @sphinx1020 6 років тому +1

    Proudly Philippine made.

  • @rodrigomoralejo2142
    @rodrigomoralejo2142 2 роки тому

    Las llamas fueron muy buenas pisrolas

  • @richardthorn7726
    @richardthorn7726 4 роки тому

    Grip angle is like the Astra-400

  • @deoacuzar9002
    @deoacuzar9002 Рік тому

    More videos assembled

  • @alandominguez3877
    @alandominguez3877 4 роки тому

    pretty gun

  • @desktorp
    @desktorp 6 років тому

    they should really consider changing it to llama (the animal) because the marketing would draw itself

  • @Eddie-uf8oo
    @Eddie-uf8oo 2 роки тому

    One thing nobody mentions in reviews of these mini 1911 380 is the difference an inch of barrel length over an LCP Makes in velocity, And therefore relative effectiveness as measured in something like ballistic gel or live medium, although using an actual cow head or pig head probably Would have a problem on UA-cam, although cold steel has videos like that.

  • @richcandella9154
    @richcandella9154 Рік тому

    price on 380

  • @robertobenigni1029
    @robertobenigni1029 7 років тому

    Wow 👍👍👍👍

  • @ronaldrenken5737
    @ronaldrenken5737 5 років тому

    iS THAT AN 80 SEIRIES TRIGGER

  • @michaeloppenheimer2582
    @michaeloppenheimer2582 3 роки тому

    Are a very proven reliable design they've been around for over 100 years originally designed by John Moses Browning, John and Moses Browning 45 was the pistol that was in the longest service in the United States military history,

    • @bwm3013
      @bwm3013 Рік тому

      This is a blowback gun. Not at all like JMB’s locked breach

  • @brandonberst
    @brandonberst 2 роки тому

    Damn I have an original llama .380

  • @swiggityswootymotivatedfor4031
    @swiggityswootymotivatedfor4031 5 років тому +2

    This whole time I thought it was pronounced like the animal too😂, but everyone I know says it too.

  • @oudski
    @oudski 6 років тому

    Keep calling it a Llama! I miss the L.

  • @ZMOA2006
    @ZMOA2006 4 роки тому

    This is not an Original Llama, is a cheap copy made in Philippines

  • @اللهكريم-ز4ن
    @اللهكريم-ز4ن 6 років тому

    مسدس جميل

  • @m17x4v7
    @m17x4v7 6 років тому +1

    Llama= flame in Spanish? Lol

  • @yondel-kttkoh3948
    @yondel-kttkoh3948 7 років тому

    I just dont like the name. I cant get used to it. Lol i also called it lama once but then i noticed the double LL and in spanish it is pronounced like Ja-Ma (LLAMA) which means (CALL) in spanish.

  • @fernandomena9413
    @fernandomena9413 8 місяців тому

    Esa. Pistola. LLAMA 🦙. Es. Muy. Mala. Es. Española. Se. Calienta. Mucho

  • @craylonhanson
    @craylonhanson 5 років тому

    wth is with all oil on mag.............RED FLAGGGGGG

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  5 років тому

      As with many steel firearms these come in oil for preservation.

  • @ferrarigarcia6796
    @ferrarigarcia6796 5 років тому

    Do not buy the Llama gun I have one and it shoot 1 round and jams. Cleaned lubricated the gun and still the same thing 1 round and jams. The fitting of the gun is the worse I have ever seen, BRYCO, JENNING and NORINCO the models from 1980's are better quality than the Llama. You are better off just getting a 1/4 pipe with a hammer and blasting the round. DO NOT BUY SAVE AND BUY A QUALITY GUN. I the 1911 model.

  • @حكيمالعبادي-ل2ب
    @حكيمالعبادي-ل2ب 5 років тому

    Şey Experience

  • @pauginer2644
    @pauginer2644 Рік тому

    Just bought today the llama Micromax in chrome finish can't wait to released mine 😊😊

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  Рік тому

      Did you fina one new somewhere or get it used?

    • @pauginer2644
      @pauginer2644 Рік тому

      I went directly to their plant, the llama Micromax will only be available in black chrome finish, luckily I was able to get the chrome since it was the last piece.
      They now haw the amigo / officer size in 9mm .

    • @pauginer2644
      @pauginer2644 Рік тому

      @@GBGuns it was brand-new since I ordered it directly at metroarms plant

    • @GBGuns
      @GBGuns  Рік тому

      @pauginer2644 ah, that makes sense. These are no longer on the US market