Ranger Regiment: What it means to be part of the elite infantry unit
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2022
- Soldiers of the British Army's Ranger Regiment have been training with US Special Operations Forces on Project Convergence.
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Wikipedia has an informative piece on the UK Rangers, whose role is similar to the US Green Berets, I suppose to take some of the load off the SAS and SBS. Assisting foreign armies develop their capabilities has proved its worth in Ukraine.
The role of the UK Rangers is not the same as the US Rangers (whose UK equivalent seems in part to be the Special Forces Support Group).
The Rangers will be part of the army's Special Operations Brigade. The four battalions are each aligned with a region (East Africa, West Africa, Europe and the Middle East).
Selection is open to those who have served for 18 months. Deployments have been to Ghana and to the Ukraine support package.
War in Ghana? 😂😂
Any unit in the US Military can train other countries' troops. The US Army had some Army National Guard units training Ukrainians before the 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
The Arizona Air National Guard trains foreigners to fly F-16.
Where does the para trooper path finders unit fit in.with this new unit in play......??
@@joperokodravu5689 aren't the pathfinders more specialised to be recce and securing LZ for paras, rather than this partner force stuff?
The similarities in role with US Green Berets point to responsibility for a specific global region amd I guess to carry out non convential warfare.
But thats where it ends.
The US Green Berets take 12 to 18 months to qualify as Soecial Forces soldiers.
Languages
Cultures
HAHO/ HALO
Escape and evasion
Specialisms - vehicle, weapons, commercial etc.
Explosives
The UK Rangers are nowhere close in comparison to US Army ODAs
Most likely reason Captain Dean is in the Ranger Regiment is because they disbanded his old Regiment.
Why do you write that? You have no idea what Regiment he came from or whether it was disbanded.
Having said that can you please list what regiments have been disbanded this year?
@@1chish My mistake, not Regiments but 4 Battalions have been disbanded to make the Ranger Regiments, 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland, 2nd Battalion PWRR, 3rd Battalion Duke of Lancaster's and 4th Battalion The Rifle.
@Goat So not disbanded but re-purposed with a different name.
Armies change and re-focus all the time.
@@1chish Disbanded and cut, as in numbers mucker, to help balance to black whole in the defence budget.
@@i.jwilson2885 OK lets have a look:
* 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland was transferred 'as is' to become the 1st Battalion, Ranger Regiment.
* 2nd battalion PWRR re-subordinated to the Ranger Regiment on 1 December 2021 so again not disbanded but re-tasked 'as is' and renamed to become 2nd Battalion, Ranger Regiment. And not in 2022.
* The 3rd Battalion DoL was disbanded in March 2007 not 2022. However personnel were re-assigned to 1st and 2nd Battalions and in December 2021 2nd Battalion re-subordinated to the Ranger Regiment as its 3rd Battalion. So again not disbanded but re-tasked 'as is' and renamed. And not in 2022.
*The 4th battalion The Rifles was re-subordinated 'as is' to become 4th Battalion, Ranger Regiment on 1 December 2021. So not in 2022.
If they have been Transferred 'as is' to do a different task and renamed then they weren't disbanded in the accepted meaning of the word surely? Yes the name went but not the Battalion or the people. But then all the Battalions you name were all themselves formed from other Battalions.
Your comment inferred that a battalion had gone forever and this guy had had to find another position. We can argue semantics but a modern army has to change, re-structure and re-purpose.
Commandoes or Paras seem a lot more capable
Exactly, they've only just been formed from a couple of bog standard infantry units, they're not an elite unit yet. But I suppose you have to start somewhere.
All do a different jobs. Rangers are given some specialist training but their job really is around training foreign troops to take the burden off SF units and probably some SF support roles too.
@@meme4one In the US they’re called SFAB and they’re laughed at.
@@meme4one Commandoes are a diverse lot , surely adding another specialist brigade would have been easier , because you know from the get -go , you're getting quality operators , rather than having to build from the base up
@@airhabairhab by who?
Right lets say it how it actually is.
It was a clever rebranding exercise by the arny. It is made up of bog standard infantry that were likely facing the axe. They are in absolutely No way, elite or special forces.
The selection process, if you can even call it that, is an attendance course. Not physically demanding or challenging to any standard infanteer in the slightest.
Comparing them in anyway to US green berets etc is insulting to the green berets. The only thing they have in common is they both get paid.
Comment will probably get deleted anyway.
On point mate
Fails to fix the major flaw within the British military.
Lack of overall numbers - simply rebadging some infantry bods give you the same number of infantry bodies (albeit some with a ‘go faster’ (Ranger) tag )
It's worse than that.
The original units had a war fighting role and capability.
The Ranger Regiment doesn't.
So we're down on Infantry capacity.
The basic idea is it does help with the lack of numbers, by using the foreign troops they train and support to achieve our goals.
You’re so bitter.. did you fail Ranger selection?
@@adamjacksonsmith357 Did you actually finish phase 1?
@@adamjacksonsmith357 plonker ! Do some service time. The reserves are the lowest since WW2 ended TA centres that held companies now hold sections, RAF and army base closures and manpower so critical it has difficulty performing role without reserves being used on a more or less permanent basis, AJAX failed, C3 cuts, RAF buying in second hand airframes from China….. now rebadged infantry will be the panacea for years of underinvestment and cuts. Think not
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They never report when the RE had their accomodation thrown out whilst in tour in afghan 🤦♂️
Typical hat comment
It’s becoming increasingly difficult for me to tell the difference between an American soldier and a British soldier especially when they’re in full kit.
Trust me, they know the difference 👍🏻
American soldiers usually have a clearly visible American flag. Not sure how you could miss it.
@@mr_beezlebub3985 yes, you are correct. I recently retired from the American Army. I was noting that the Brits are now using similar kit and rifles as us.
Just look at the teeth, that’s usually enough
@@pabloescabar1038what were they better at? Fitness and all around better soldiers?
With the stroke of a egotistical General's pen, 4 average infantry batalions become SF ?? Are they going to be Para trained ? If so what will the Para battalions be doing ? Are they going to do the AACC ? If so what will the Royal Marines be doing. If the Ranger candidates wanted to serve with elite units why did'nt they apply to the Paras or RM in the first place. The reason these two units are so good is the selection and training process is excellent.
Getting your wings or doing the AACC does not in any way shape or form equal you to the Reg or the bootnecks.
@@NA-gf1zy you'd be surprised
@@NA-gf1zy Very true. Most sensible people who are only interested in the pay and benefits won't see the point in busting their arse 3x as hard as regular squaddies just to receive the same pay and benefits as them (AACC/P Coy in a nutshell). The RMs/Paras attract people who don't care entirely about money but strive to be something more than just a boring squaddie who'll likely never see combat once in his Army career.
@@deanridgeway287 The Parachute Regiment, although technically being "infantry", distinguishes itself from line infantry by having it's members complete 28 weeks of training along with the gruelling 'P Company' tests, not to mention parachute training. It's much more comprehensive and physically demanding than the 16 weeks of basic training regular infantrymen go through and as such, they come out as more versatile and capable soldiers. Hence, they're "elite" in most peoples' books even though they're nothing more than parachute trained light infantry. It's never the mission that makes a unit elite, but rather the quality of each individual soldier.
They did not with a stroke of a pen just turn an existing standard unit into special operations.
Over the next four years a share of £120-million will be invested into the unit, enabling it to undertake roles traditionally carried out by Special Forces. They can be expected to be involved in collective deterrence such as training, advising, enabling and accompanying partner forces.
Alongside special operations, a further Brigade will be established. The Security Force Assistance Brigade (SFAB) to provide guidance and training to allied partner nations and draw expertise form across the army.
Elements of each Brigade will be routinely deployed across the globe to assist partner nations in delivering defence and security.
The Ranger Regiment seeded from four Infantry Battalions and will be at the core of our frontline expeditionary posture.
In addition to the Rangers, the SFAB will provide guidance and training to allied and partner nations. It will contain specialised infantry units with the ability to draw personnel and expertise from across the Army.
So infantry with 6 weeks of pre-employment training in Foreign Internal Defense?
No,
2 week pre selection
10 week selection course (not 6)
8 months of further training
Then you’re ready for deployment
Nope that is not the case. So people need to stop making stuff up.
@@bighands69 That's what Google says.
@@rsa_elite_units4012
Training for the unit has not been declared at this point. Those that are already in the units are from existing elite forces such as Intelligence, Signals and so on. They probably are also staffed by officers from UK Special Forces.
They are not yet in an operational state and are in their formation phase.
The British army as becoming more and more like the US army. I've said it since 1998 and noticed changes mainly in admin but never tactics. Now it's taking on units to parallel. Not saying the US is advising but more, the UK is progressing from the fuddy duddy old stile and gathering more momentum with more purposeful roles and ground specific specialists. By admin I mean gone are old pay clerks and now HR covering everything under one roof. The UKs biggest mistake was to contract out the catering side. The contractors go against the grain of the troops and have no idea the calories required especially for recruits. Now they skimp on meals because they pay cash from the pocket not a deduction from the monthly pay. Surprised they aren't paying rent now.
They haven't half watered down the term "elite". Royal Marines are elite, and work extremely hard for that monkier
Especially when a Royal marine actually has to bend over backwards to earn his green lid ,mix 3 or 4 mess tin cleaning units together and call them elite !doesnt sound right to me .
They are navy infantry nothing more
@@dmid1274 says someone that never went though CTC
@@StephenButlerOne ITC but not much difference, then all the courses then on in are the same as the army’s infantry in fact specialist weapons courses they do with infantry. Yes marines are good but elite forces I don’t think so
@@dmid1274 ok
Like the Selous Scout cap badge. Is it being downplayed now from SF to Elite infantry?
It was never SF and will never be elite infantry.
More a training team for overseas forces,, freeing up UKSF units currently doing it
@@JammyDodger45 Army elite infantry is the Parachute Regiment, existed since ww2. Its all just about talking big, but not having enough people to back it up.
@@JammyDodger45 technically its Special Operations or a tier 2 unit
@@dand6520 - no it isn't.
The UK doesn't 'Tier' it's units, that's a US SOCOM categorization. Nor do we have Special Operations units, we have the renamed Special Operations Brigade which is what the Rangers are part of but it's a naming exercise not an upskilling.
Can't really call themselves an elite regiment, nor compare themselves to the ODA's of the Green Berets just yet. This regiment is a long ways away from being on the calibre of the US Green Berets, who are a capable fighting unit. Yes, over time, they may get to the same calibre of the ODA's, but that will take time. I do believe on Project Convergence they are currently working with 7th Special Forces Group + 75th Ranger Regiment. It does seem that the new Special Operations Brigade will work closely with one of the deployed SFGs from the US Green Berets.
This type of regiment was needed, but it should of been setup the same way the SRR was, a selection process through the old Det and the battalion COPs. While people are a bit iffy of this regiment, it was needed in the British Army. This allows the UKSF to focus on their tasks and also allow the Royal Marines to focus on their future commando program, which will see a lot of the commando units focus on their Littoral Response Groups. Seems our whole way of thinking is becoming very Americanized, you just have to look at the new Divisional and Brigade setup and renaminng a lot of the brigades to "combat teams".
Interesting few years for the British Armed Forces as a whole.
Yep it's 2 minutes old as far as I see why they just didn't use 1 Para who they have taken over from
@@1Selous They haven’t taken over from SFSG. SFSG are still providing direct support to UKSF and The Rangers provide both the conventional footprint of the army whilst taking up the lesser jobs of UKSF and SFSG.
Agree with what you're saying but can you Agree that the "centre of of the universe" the USA has nothing on our special forces? They're still being taught by us!
When it comes to battle field operations Royal Marine Commandos are at the level of US Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs and Air Force Operators.
The units that make up the New Special Operations Brigade (Rangers) are existing elite units that have specialized training such as Engineers, Singal and intelligence units.
They most certainly would be at the level of US Army Special Forces.
@@bighands69 The battalions that became Rangers were not elite, far from it. They were specialised training battalions for foreign nations. Every British regiment can and has done similiar roles in Afghanistan as OMLTs. This regiment is just merging the old SPEC INF brigade into one formal regiment under the Army Special Operations Brigade.
As I said, they are nowhere near the standard of the ODA's of the Green Berets (yet). 1 SCOTs, 4 RIFLES, 2 LANCS, 2PWRR do not have the experience the ODA's hold, they have never went in and embedded themselves as foreign soldiers, this has always been the role of the SRR, SAS & SBS. Hence why they are training with the Special Forces Groups (Green Berets) in America, so they can learn how to operate in such a manner.
I have met a couple solid 1 RANGER guys, known them when they were 1 SCOTS, but to call them an elite unit on par with 1PARA & the Royal Marines? Not a chance, not yet anyway. They will get there, but the regiment is only fresh and will experience teething problems at the start.
Love the L85 A3. Looks great.
Rangers are getting a new AR platform weapon.
Well theres not much you can do with junk is their scar h 762 fn SLR follow on better than this thing that weighs half a ton.
Its awful you have to take the bfa off to get to the gas parts
@@ancientmachine9070 WHAT? By the time thats done the enemy would have won the fight and putting a Brew on lol.
@@ancientmachine9070 - no you don't.
Loosing our values and direction. Elite, what is it? County regiments, Scottish regiments and Parachute Regiment? Pride of your Battalion, company or platoon. From these soldiers you create Identity and spirit. Why would you take from them their better quality soldiers and put them in a idea that we should have a " Green Beret" We have training teams, we have recce within these Battalions. We have the "Elite" already. The Americans dont have a battalion's of soldiers from the family of same town,village or county. Thats been the way for 800 years that the British Army is unique.......why change it? Or is it a numbers game because of teeth arm we have less than 50000! In the army. Creating new units on a spread sheet?
Tbh, most regional units don't exist anymore and haven't for a long time. Only the lineage exists. The regiment your (great etc) grandfather fought in during WW1 or WW2 doesn't exist anymore. They've been amalgamated over time. For example, the Manchester Regiment and Essex Regiment haven't existed since the 1950s. The Royal Green Jackets was created from some previous regional battalions in the 1960s and then disbanded in 2007, with some of it's battalions forming the Rifles.
As for America, they actually do have regional units with long histories (going back to the 1800s or late 1700s) in their various states' National Guard components, but none have existed in the regular US Army since pre-WW1, although the lineage does.
looks good
They are more a specialist unit than anything else.
Specialising in what?
Why create a brand new Ranger Regiment when the Rifles already exists?
The Rifles still exist?
@@CPTLYNXY Yes. I know they're hard to spot because of the green jackets. XD
Because literally 1/2 of the Trifles are utter 🐕💩
For all the shouting down below, basically the Ranger Regiment is a light infantry foreign army training regiment, that was what they were conceived to do, it's another numbers game just like Options for change was back in the 90's strip four infantry battalions from Infantry Regiments (cutting their numbers), amalgamating them,. calling them by another name, and dipping into the budget exactly the same as they did during options, take the decimation of the Royal Armoured Corps as an example, first we lost a troop per Sqn, then , the amalgamations , then we lost a squadron per regiment.
In the past this work of helping others was done by the SAS, SBS and a few others with NO problems I don't see how this new Ranger unit can do it any better than the SAS, SBS ?? I also don't understand why it is called a Ranger Regiment as it is NOTHING like one ??
I don't think it will particularly be better, it'll just be an extra element with a different focus.
It's to take some of the workload from the sas/sbs. They're overstretched and highly undermanned because of the high standards needed to be an sas/sbs soldier. So the minor spec ops jobs would be assigned to the rangers to free up the sas/sbs more for the more important and difficult ops. It's just like the formation of the SRR some years ago. It was done to lighten the work load of the sas by assigning special reconnaissance to its own separate regiment instead of dividing sas resources to do spec recce
Seems reasonable to me to have a more partner-force oriented unit given they won't necessarily need all the hardcore direct action capability for that longer-term engagement with other militaries
@@SuperVesuvius but even the sas etc had 1 Para with srr doing the leg work
The SAS never did group integration with foreign forces. They may have sent advisors in very specialized cases.
The foreign force integration was done by elite units within the army such as combat engineers, elite artillery and signals. The SRR would have also been used in that capacity. The Marines also sent teams to do that.
Does Anyone know if selection is open to just Army or all Branches of the Military?
Just Army mate
Why is everyone hating on a newly formed Unit. Give them a few years and some operational tasks and they will show if they are "Elite" / Capable or not.
Why even create them and just give the operational tasks to the paras.
@commandodaggercoffeecompan3111 so that the rangers can take up the training the other forces role allowing the paras to conduct the more serious missions.
Many of the negative comments here are laughable as well as embarrassing with stupid unit comparisons from Xbox warriors who fail to grasp the reality of the task and mission of the Ranger Regiment within the UK armed forces and who they have formed from and now recruit. Get on the cardre and then comment with an informed mind rather than your backside. Except the challenge
It wouldn't be a challenge. Just a waste of time.
@@JammyDodger45 Cheap talking without biting the cherry says all that matter and doesn't involve you nor ever will as a fraud and wanna-be or simply wouldn't talk in an unprofessional manner you do Were you thrown out of cadets as a kid of failed to pass out? Talk when youve been there not from what you think
I will put the Barbie girl song om as drves me insane and smash all lol
@@JammyDodger45 How is your day going and suggest you get out of mine as im not having the best
Anyone know if reserves can get involved with this yet?
I wonder just how under strength the new "elite" unit is?
That cap badge 😂😂😂😂😂
It's copied from the Selous Scouts, which was pretty controversial.
It's isn't 'copied', it's a pure coincidence that a senior army officer put the design forward and didn't know of the resemblance. 😳
@@skepticalbadger It's an animal lmao, no army can gatekeep that. They aren't even the same. And the only thing controversial is the link to the Nazi / Roman insignia of the eagle.
Surely, to be called elite, you have to be proven In actual combat first as a fighting force.
You must have accomplished some unbelievable feat of military action .
Otherwise, the boy scouts could be called elite the only difference would be fire power .
The new Army Special Operations Brigades you are referring to are made up of existing elite units such as Engineers, Signals, Intelligence and so on. They are being aligned under a new operations group. They are already elite.
4th battalion Rangers was previously known as 4th battalion rifles in 2007 previously to 2007 was known as 2nd battalion Royal Green Jackets,
If you did the history on the latter which is pre 1966 their linage is made up of the Kings Royal Rifle Corps ,the Rifle Brigade and the 43rd and 52nd ox and Bucks light infantry.
There inception was that of possibly the first special forces during the Napoleonic campaign.
First to wear green, first to adopt skirmishing tactics , first to adopt a rifle .
Originally they where never sent out in one battalion , they where always split up and attached at company level to large brigades and battalions and known as the thin line of green, they would cover advances or tactical withdrawals , in effect the tip of the spear in that day.
I never thought the Rifles was their natural evolution, if anything there was a lot of regiments that where chip shopped mobbed together, the focus of tradition was painted on others the focus of original conception and innovation was side lined.Those
Concepts led later on to the commando concept of Churchill and later on the paras.
Which as good as they are they are rendered out of date by the way their model is a man out of time.
The parachute regiment has not parachuted into battle since the Suez Canal crisis in the 50s.
We use helicopters these days and ain’t got enough planes to drop a battalion in, nor suffer the attrition rate of broken legs or get a loan from America to pay for something like Market Garden, it’s that out of date.
The commando concept was a born of a ww2 too, if you watch the Great raid of Saint Nazaire with 2 commando while objectives where met the casualty rate was absolutely atrocious .
Enter the new demographics of the proxy war.
This is where we are now, wars fought with western aid and advisory teams.
Because a nation can’t stomach it’s sons and daughters being sent back in a box.
However for the likes of Blackrock this is all good business for the likes of the weapons lab field data of how the platforms of one industrialised nation work against another, it’s also very profitable .
This is where we are now in this point of time, proxy wars and this is the type of unit needed to facilitate it.
Trust me not elite at all!! Get your head out the sand!
They call the French Foreign Legion elite !
Hey, I passed Boy Scouts, and will eat anything, except a fat bird’s chuff?!
Fighting the last war. CT focus in a period of high tempo, highly industrialised, high complexity, state on state confrontation.
About as Elite as a bowl of cheerios
They are very elite.
Not being able to pass P Coy.
Or CTCRM...
Loool😂
@@MrGraemeb2022 or RAF Regim... nah just kidding.
More and more para reg going through Ranger selection, all ranks included. Do you think they answer the question “why do you think you should be in the Rangers” with “because I carried a log around Catterick really fast”
@Goat whittles out the spinless bastard's though doesn't it! It's all very well having a platoon of lads who read the telegraph but it's no good when they actually have to do a bit of fighting!
I do hope the Ranger Regiment’s Core Selection Phase is based on that of the Pathfinder Platoon and the Royal Marines, in terms of Physical Fitness, Endurance and Mental Robustness as a mandatory baseline level. This combined with a high level of combat Infantry Skills and marksmanship which is then overlayed by the advanced technical capabilities required of the Ranger Regiment’s proposed core mission sets. However, what I fear is going to be the case, is that it will end up becoming a peacekeeping force and an extension of the Foreign Aid Budget.
Sharp young man forced to spout memorized gibberish.
One thing would get me to join. One gets to wear a beret like a Para, (badge wherever you like) only in a more cam colour 🤭😉.
I think the "Current Affairs Essays and Discussions" would do it for me............ NOT!!!!
🤣🤣
Sort of poor mans Selous Scouts, with even a knock off of their cap badge.
They're modeled and mixture of US Army Special Forces (Green Berets), the US SFAB (Conventional advisors), and US Army Army Rangers. Their berets are even the same color as the US Army Rangers.
@@TheCCBoi the berets are completely different colours.
@@TheCCBoi Modelled and capability are two different things. To compare bog standard British infantry, which these are, to US Green Berets or Rangers is a bit of a stretch.
@@JammyDodger45 both their berets are tan.
@@jon1801 US Rangers are infantry as well - but special operations infantry. Their force structure is the same as a normal infantry unit, but their day to day training is non stop and way tougher (that’s why the initial training is short). UK Rangers mission set closely resembles some of green berets core mission capabilities and SFAB - but they’re closer to SFAB then green berets. That’s why they were training with 7th SFG (Special Forces Group).
Well Done 🙌👏👍
I love how they take bits from other phase 2 training establishments and make out as if its special training
Surely it's a bit early to call them an elite unit when they haven't proved that yet ?
They are made up of existing elite units such as intelligence that have already proven themself as elite.
Irish Army Ranger Wing are an elite unit
@@fanore8109 😂
Why is this unit formed in the ba , like is this not ground better covered by paras and marines ? What do they do that's different
No.
RMC and Paras are warfighters.
This is international PR work.
@@JammyDodger45 a ok explains alot
So no selection apart from writing essays on current affairs?
Henry and William IT means ...and Royal Scottich marines too
but are the ranger equal to paras or royal marines?!?!?!??!?!?!
Rangers are part of Army Special Operations. Until the Navy sets up Special Operations they cannot be considered equal.
'Retention is a problem, general'
'I know', says Carlton-Smith 'let's create a unit with a new badge and beret to make infanteers feel speshul'
The rest is history... especially when the selection process is infantry training!
So you're implying this Regiment is a joke, and just trivial?
@@ImpetusM no, I'm saying the UK's Ranger battalions are a sticking plaster covering a big wound.
@@ImpetusMHasn’t had time to make it to joke status, but give it time, I’m sure it will…
It's almost like these light role infantry battalions had no organic lift and were therefore doctrinally irrelevant. Give them crye and call them special, that will solve it.
The British Army has always failed to retain, particularly in technical trades. The engineering sector in the UK is under manned and they'll pay well for former military engineers.
Rangers have the highest casualty rate compared to other special forces and elite units
These aren't US Army Rangers. Dumbass brits made a copy cat
Its probably because they are doing all the donkey work.
Rangers is a great step if your already an experienced solider transferring from a civvy to a Ranger is going to be a tough learning curve, where you experience pain leaving the body loool
you used a cap badge from a former SF unit !
Thought they would have C8s at least!
Why? They're a pointless PR exercise not a fighting unit.
their looking for a contractor atm, meaning that they may or may not get a different rifle soon
@Leon - stop talking 💩
@Akira Sharma-Barkess - now @Leon has stopped talking💩 you should do the same.
I've heard they would be using the SLR!
Why is everyone blaming this unit for government cuts to troop numbers?
PR stunt,basically a stealth amalgamation of ordinary infantry done with a bit of sf spin.
sof are they SOF or special infantry?
Neither. They're a specialized infantry unit.
@@JammyDodger45 thanks, but why not add an additional SAS & SBS squadron? They have the same tacking but like al SOF are grossly over tasked and run into the ground with op tempo. why do they do not go through the SAS/SBS/SRR selection before assignment to the Rangers? the whole force modernization thing is (like the USMC 2030 thing) is political move to cover force reductions by saying a new idea will make up for the loss.
They’re just special 🤣
The words ‘elite’ and ‘special forces’ are being completely devalued…..utterly second rate.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@bighands69 your cheap housing estate opinion is neither here nor there.
@@mikewingert-savagelyerudite
The army has taken the budgets of existing battalions and have used that to form new Special Operations Brigade.
The brigades so far are being staffed by elite army units such as signals, intelligence and elite artillery operators ( us calls Tactical Air Control Party Specialist).
As they are being very tight lipped we can assume that the officers in the new Brigades at first will be staffed by special forces officers from SBS, SRR and SAS. There are probably reservists such as 21 SAS that are part of the make up as well.
They have not just taken standard units and just said hey we are making you elite. This is the first Brigade level new elite Units that the UK has created in long time so you can bet they are are going all in on it.
Badges! We don't need no stinking badges!
Looks like they stole the regimental cap badge from the Selous Scouts.
The cap badge looks very Buzz Lightyear and American... Dread to think what things will look like in 5 to 10 years time.
Not American. Rhodesian.
Is the Ranger regiment the Royal Scots Borderers or part of it ?
Yes...they have totally lost their Scottish identity...
The ranger regiment is a new regiment
Formed from 4 antecedent regiments...1 Rangers from the Royal Scots Borderers
@@jamesmurdoch9805
But they are not staffed by existing standard infantry. They are completely new.
They'll be put to the test when a conflict kicks off, for now it's hard to call them 'elite'. When I left the infantry in 2020, maybe 10% of the soldiers had seen an operation tour. Of them, maybe half had been in any sort of contact. All anyone can do is prepare and learn from the people fighting in Ukraine/Gaza.
US Army 75th Ranger Regiment: 🗿
British army ranger regiment: 🤓
So, no particularly arduous selection process. Does not sound very elite to me. They should have to do p company or commando course, or hills phase of selection or something sufficiently arduous.
But then only 7% of them would pass 😱
all to American for me is that name necessary, all it dose is deflate other regiments who should be trained to do the same thing
Will they "range it out" when going gets tough......
What it takes - be part of a battalion that's being cut and the remaining get put into rangers 🤣
So, similar to the US SFABs?
No, UK will have its own SFAB, Rangers are not SFAB.
Yes except worse.
Cap badge sucks. Looks like it was designed by a 12 year old.
Yeah! Doesn´t Captain America have that insignia on his chest???....................
I am in.
Basically Royal Marine Commando's with an Army cap badge then.....🧨stand by!!
Not even worth the 🎣.
A visit to the CQMS to sign for your magic hat?
I’m starting phase 1 training at ITC in February I want to go rifles but after I get some experience I want to try join rangers
Try working on your English grammar first - as for the rest , I wish you well in your career- Lord knows we need our armed forces now more than ever .
Good luck, but stick with The Rifles.
Anyone can be rifle’s at least push yourself 🤣🤣
@@jon1801 all infantry do the same course, they go to their regiments after passout, paras do the exact course but with more beastings and tabbing plus p company
@@SugarRayValentine - the Paras don't do the same course, it has significant differences in attitude, tempo and approach.
Is the unit better than the path finder or not.
no
😂 nice try 🎣
I do think they are even as good as the Raf reg so im guessing not 😂😂😂
@@herrickmaster77 - and you've served with the RAF Regt in how many conflicts?
@@JammyDodger45 That same logic can be used for this argument.
Did he just say you have to do an essay and take part in discussions?🤣🤣🤣
Yes, because even the most junior soldier has to have the ability to brief senior commanders.
Rupert speke.
This differentiates themselves from the Paras. Paras can’t read or write 😀
Didn't they just re roll 1 Scots for the.role ?
Queen Nicola will want them patrolling her borders. To stop people leaving.
One of the Scots Bn, a Rifles Bn and 2nd Bn PWRR. They've really just put lipstick on a pig.
@@the_urge_to_pee639 ouch
@Akira Sharma-Barkess do they have a TA element?
Army Reserve (not been the TA for a few years now) can join the Rangers
Why they’d want to I’ve no idea!
Poundland paras
I’m guessing you can’t join from a civilian?
Well everyone was a civilian before they joined!
The lack of political will to do anything meaningful with these specialist infantry units is the problem. Politicians love to talk the talk, but are too scared of casualties to do anything.
The PARAs are specialised infantry
But do they jump out of planes into battle ?
Lol. This unit is not the equivalent of the US Army Special Forces ("Green Berets"). It's just a grunt unit that's being asked to teach foreigners infantry stuff. The Green Berets aren't just doorkickers who teach other people how to doorkick, they're masters at foreign internal defense and unconventional warfare who have millions of dollars worth of advanced training. They're expected to become experts in foreign cultures, languages, etc.
An 18D Medical Sergeant in the Green Berets, for example, isn't just a combat medic that can patch someone up until medevac arrives or treat your STD. He's got the equivalent training of the first few years of medical school/veterinary medicine school and the skills of an ER/A&E doctor who can also care for your dog, horse, camel, etc.
Rangers are vastly superior then green berets
Sorry got to say, you clearly not worked in a Inf Rifle Plt or even a Recce.
The Regiment is NEW 2 minutes old.
Living the Airborne look bearet 🤔
Christ the phys phase isn't half as tough as P company more like RAF 5 miler of death its laughable
Para reg soldiers of all ranks have been through Ranger selection, or are scheduled to attend Ranger selection. Maybe carrying a log around Catterick was hard and it’s a good story to tell some bloke in a pub when you’re 50 with a para reg t-shirt who couldn’t careless…. Maybe joining the Rangers who are deploying regularly and only due to increase its operational commitments, increasing its global footprint, working with SOF units, being given new weapons, kit that the field Army including Paras will never see will be more interesting to tell the bloke down the pub… without wearing a Ranger T-shirt.
@@adamjacksonsmith357 Dream on.
But can they complete the 5 mile of death though 😮
Another civvy with no idea what they're chopsing off about 🙄
I don't understand why the Ranger Regiment is pushed as a Special Forces Unit. Its not. Its a Special Forces support unit I suppose. It isn't comparable to the US Army Green Berets and to do so belittles what the Green Berets do.
Green Beret ODAs are actual Special Forces. Selection & Qualification takes well over one year. Not a 2 week cadre.
Yes the UK needed a Regiment sized force to support actual Special.forces, and that force will need to be aligned with Special Forces tactics, equipment etc..
But they're not Special.Forces.
It's pushed as a SOC unit not an SF unit so they aren't getting SF pay.
@@LS-jv9hp I'm not sure it even qualifies as an 'elite infantry regiment'?
@@bigdaveo397
Most of you do not understand what is taking place. They are forming Army Special Operations Brigade. With each Brigade being called Ranger Battalions.
They are not a standard force and will have a selection process but the initial group will probably be staffed by existing elite army units and probably be staffed by existing special forces officers.
@@bighands69 and it still won't be a Special Forces Unit.
@@bigdaveo397
When you say Special Forces do you men like Navy SEALs.
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wouldve been cooler if they made the rifles into the "elite" reg
You can't make a Regiment elite 😂
@@JammyDodger45 Clearly he’s just some cadet with a rifles cap badge
@@CancerGaming56 🤣. Nailed it.
they should have just made another sas unit with different goals from 22sas
@@CancerGaming56 not even close
I’ve never heard of these guys? Are they new? And how are they different from the Paras?
They are going to have training that is different but elite like Paras.
Is this another Red coat regiment?
These are not elite regiments, they are trying to reach the old standards which have fallen over the last 35 years !! Regiments of today wouldn't be able to do what was done in 82 !!
I joined the Parachute Regiment in 1977 (16 and a half years old) Once I cried into my pillow in the night because the training was so hard................. We were punched, kicked, and forged into hard entities.
@@paraguard60 so why's your username "paraguard"?
The UK in 2023 can't defeat a third world South American country that decides to invade UK territory with an army/navy corrupt officers and poorly trained teenage conscripts wearing 40 year old kit to distract from issues at home?
I'm not being funny but that's the bare minimum of what a major NATO military should be able to do.
So.... Now all it takes to be Special forces is a change of headdress and a 2 week essay writing course. This is nothing more than a Tory set of defence cuts wrapped up in some changes of job description. Nice touch to give RM commandos and Rangers nice new uniforms, but then the savings are there will now be a lot less of them. In the case of the Marines... 8000 will now be @2000 and the 7 line Infantry battalions (4,500 men) were reduced first to 5 specialised training role Battalions (each with only 320 men) with a total loss of @3000 men. They then lost another 320 men when the Specialised training role battalions changed to 4 Ranger battalions.
But hey.... Shiny uniforms and a newish M4 rifle 😔
You have no idea what you're talking about.
standard infantry
So these rangers are basically glorified infantry but short of paras/commandos.
As an Ex British Soldier, this is bad show copying the yanks.
Surely they don’t wear the sand beret??
Check your eyes fella ... it's gunmetal grey.
To confirm, there isn’t any rewards. Just another buckers infantry role.
... Being handed a new cap badge?
The rangers are not a new idea rangers were formed in the American colonies by a major Rodgers to fight. For the British army against the French and their Indian allies. Look up the history of that time..
Where did it say it was a new idea?
Man that badge looks so much like the Selous Scots badge…
Really? No one has mentioned that before.
The MOD should have kept The Royal Irish Rangers..Faugh A Ballagh
Yeah our army isn’t the biggest but you can’t beat the training that our soldiers have, SAS SBS paras and commandos are amongst the best trained forces in the world, in a lot of countries they model their special forces on the SAS and even in the USA their special forces are even trained by our SAS. Js.
They also train mate. We learn from each other. My ISTAR course was run by Americans.
It's all part of the macho training
So many press ups
So many miles in so many minutes
Carrying heavy packs
At the end a special beret!
Except they don't do any press ups, running or carrying.
Stop calling everybody elite. The word is meaningless through misuse.
I've seen more specialis3d girl guide units. You can't make a silk purse out of new beret and badge
Be interesting to see who comes out on top with an exercise between 1 Para and Rangers or Royal Marines v Rangers
Rangers aren't a war fighting unit so it would be a figurative bloodbath ... and probably a literal one in the bar later.
If it were the marines bar it would be a littoral one.
Beautiful work CJ, you know that's going over 99.9% of readers heads!
They only invented this new "ranger reg" to knock RAF REGT off the top of the SF triangle!
@@garagenigel - and your experience of the RAF Regiment is ... 🤷🏻♂️
When you wanna be SAS but you can't make it. That's what looks to me.
Then your not to bright. The SAS are useless if they didn’t have the rest of the army to support them
Or if you cant pass Pcoy and the AACC join the Ranger Reg
@@goat4599 it was standard at 16 AA Bde for everyone too pass pcoy when i was there
@@goat4599 what like the duke of lancs or the trifles ???
@@herrickmaster77
Watch now as Paras start to complain about this force and the lime light that they will be getting.
Paras will also watch as the Royal Navy creates special operations that will be manned by Royal Marine Commandos.
Maybe Paras will be brought into Army Special Operations with their own Para Brigade unless Paras can make a case to be classified as their own special operations group.
Rangers go back to the Colonial days.
Wonder how many of these hats would pass pcoy ?
I'd imagine they'd have a similar pass rate to All Arms P-Coy
@@JammyDodger45 I don't think it would be as hard as the all arms the fitness standards in the army have changed massively and shocking a few of the new tests are good but the bpfa format has been made far easier
Other than Para Veg the Army has a worryingly low fitness standard. I can't believe how many fat JOs and SNCOs I see cutting about. And don't get me started on the RAF 🤬