Top Tiers Most Underrated Nation - War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Top tier France is likely one of the most balanced nations currently at top tier. With a tiny bit of everything, while not overdoing a single area!
00:00 - Pre-gameplay Details
04:47 - The Azur & SXXI
09:11 - Candycane Leclerc S1
13:02 - The VBC Cameo?!
19:23 - The NIGHTGAME?! S2
21:35 - We HAD the Advantage..
25:28 - The Conclusion
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And now imagine playing the Rank 7 Leclercs with stock heat because gaijin logic
Like they’re the same BR as the rank 8 ones, so please can we has APFSDS stock? It’s pretty dumb how they don’t ngl. I just used GE on the S2’s G1 round so I didn’t have to endure pain and suffering
I did. It’s not *that* bad
Rank 7 Lecterc is the better Leclerc compare to the rest.🙃
Realistically, Leclercs could all get OFL 120 F2 and a 5 second reload, France has been left in the dark for a long time and they still don't even have a good IFV amongst other things that would make the French tree feel complete.
Ideal round is ofle f2 as we wait it for shard to be a balanced option ofl f2 probs will be irrelevant by the time they add it
i think people don’t realize how strong the mobility of the leclerc is. especially the s1, where you can race to any position you want because you accelerate and hold speed so much. i’ve been first spawning it over the sxxi and i really enjoy it.
Yeah, I recently got the S2 and was like “man, this thing is a lot slower-feeling than the S1”
Yup I’m a French top tier main and have around 1800 kills in all 4 leclercs combined and the s1 feels by far the most mobile
Yeah but the armour is absolutely garbage
And they still lack the proper power hyperbar engine give them IRL ^^
@@hyrikul602 yup. Needs 200~ more horsepower just on the stat card
There's actually three better APFSDS the Leclerc could recieve, and personally I wouldn't be against a 5.5 or 5s reload, gave up hope for fixed armor years ago though...
Ofl 120 f1 b / ofle 120 f2 / shard
@@nighthawk6755 shard is not even in service calm down
@@AgentK-im8ke Neither is 3UBM22, or even Challenger 3. So?
@@AgentK-im8ke you wanna talk about challenger 3?
@@jeromedasilva9633 Britain suffers so much gaijin had to do something, but the shard is like more powerful than DM 53 and you want to put that in the fastest MBT with a 6 seconds auto loader and played mostly by the best players ? (I’m a French main btw)
pls give premium UAE leclerc so new player will buy it and bring down winrate on top tier so leclerc will get buffed
🤣
Great idea bro
im a old vet, and havnt researched france at all. so yes plz.. high tier prem...
"You guys have been playing the same tank for the past 5 years"
And before that we had a fucking amx-40 against abrams and 2a4s, without a single other stabilized vehicle in the entire lineup.
Gaijin fucking hates, and always has hated france. I think its because they eat escargot.
c'est "snails" en anglais pour les escargots
Snails are really good with garlic butter though! ;)
@@AgentK-im8ke I know... Escargot is snails.
Gaijin's company logo is a snail.
That's why I made the joke...
on the vbci.....
There's like 15 versions of it in real life. And exactly ONE of them has a lower caliber gun and no missiles. All the other versions have a higher caliber gun (like a 50mm), or ATGMs.
That one version that doesn't have a high caliber gun or missiles exists as a single one-off tradeshow prototype done by a middle eastern arms integrator.
And this is the one that was added to the game.
A non-functional tradeshow prop that was made by a middle eastern country, and not in France like the other dozen versions of the vbci.
Nope, gaijin just can't add any of the actual french VBCIs. Because then they'd have a better gun or ATGMs. And gaijin hates France.
40mm for VBCI2s with CTA40 turret and F&F Akeron MP (previously named "MMP")
ussr could technically get a vbci with a 57mm cannon.
lets see which gaijin will add first.
The "6s reload Leclerc", shittiest round, AVs from the prototype on the newest version...
Bro france is nerfed by gajin so they can keep printing money off the German/Russian bias machine
Don't be surprised when they make sure to add the shittiest vehicle possible to keep France nerfed
The worst part about AZUR is they didn't even give us the RIGHT AZUR!! They gave us the P1 proto AZUR on an S2 from 2006, but not the production AZUR on SXXI from 2012-onward.. they keep doing this and it's extremely frustrating
That, and the fact AZUR is STILL modelled as ERA in-game.. when irl it's NERA composite... fml
They really love giving NATO prototypes just the worst iterations of them.
gaijin has already addressed this. The reason they added the AZUR to the S2 and not and SXXI was because according to them the AZUR kits IRL were mainly mounted to S2 versions. Additionally, the one in game is specified to be based off an S2.
So technically they did give us the *correct* AZUR, the debate is whether or not they should have given you the stronger SXXI version. Which I'm pretty sure will be added to the game eventually anyway.
@@unlockingsnow8571 I personally can't wait until they put the Ariete PT2 at 12.7
@@unlockingsnow8571 correct is still a big word. AZUR kit use NERA, not ERA protection.
@@unlockingsnow8571 next is the XLR
Great being your squadmate in game 2 last night, I didn't realize you were pushing up so hard, otherwise I'd've gone with you, I was covering your left and the next thing I noticed you were on the cap!
I may joke about the French tech tree, but I love everything about it.
I'll be the one to say it. Leclerc's should :
- Have a 5s autoloader (debatably the mechanical speed can be faster, depending on gun position)
- Have better rounds (OFL 120 F1 modernised, OFL 120 F2 DU shell, SHARD APFSDS)
- Have internal armour (aka spall liner ?) for each crew member.
- Have soft kill countermeasures with the Galix smoke system (which disrupts ATGM tracking)
- Have IRST tracking capability (at least on helicopters)
I should also point out that the VBCI got a small buff since it was introduced :
- instead of ammo belts, it has ready rounds, which means it can now have 150 rds of continuous APFSDS while previously it was only 75 with a short reload.
When it comes to aircraft :
- M2000D should have at least five LGB pylons
- M4000 could get a thermal pod and additional LGBs
- Super Etendard should get a thermal pod, AS.30L & Magic II
- All M2000's should get bigger bombs than 250kg : 400kg, 1000lb, 1000kg, including as LGBs for the relevant aircraft
- Jaguar A should get Magic II
Issue with magic 2s is then you end up with another A10 situation so you have to bump the super etendard to at least 10.7-11.0 and that makes it completely dead. Same with jag.
Gaijin will never do any of this because they continue to insist on balancing by statistics only. And since the French player base is almost entirely experienced and good players they will claim that statistics prove France is doing extremely well and doesn’t need a buff. The decision makers at Gaijin are idiots.
@@Stupidlyrice The thing with the Super Etendard & Jaguar is that they should both be separated into Early and Late configuration. Current version have "late" ground strike weapon systems, but "early" A2A weapons, which is illogical.
Also, with separated air & ground BRs set to come this year, Gaijin may get some breathing room to add Magic II to the aircraft which should carry it.
@@MadManchouseparated air and ground BRs? What does that mean?
@@Griffin_Clan Look at the roadmap in Warthunder News.
Gaijin will look at having separate BRs for ground and air battles, so aircraft which are over-BRed in either can go down, and inversely.
I remember Leclerc being objectively the best MBT back in like 2020, now it’s just kinda sad because of how other nations got cool new rounds, spall liners, better thermals and armor and the Leclerc remaining completely unchanged since then. my 2nd least favorite top tier MBT rn, beating only the Ariete
Idk man it’s still better than merkava
@@Optimusprime56241they can take shots with their engine and just got their reload boosted
@@Epic_candle leclerc is still better
@@Optimusprime56241 i agree leclerc is still better
@@Optimusprime56241 dunno maybe I just like Merkava more because of its novelty compared to other MBTs. Leclerc is the opposite of novelty
why was it shocking to hear 2019 was 5 years ago
Because it is o.o
Am old..
i rarley see french players, but when theyre on my team, 10.3+, im glad. unless its the AMX30, those guys dont really know what theyre doing. day 21 of asking Justin to play the HKP9, and happy birthday to me.
happy birthday man
Happy birthday🎉
thanks for the wishes besties
@@ADVS. No problem man, I hope you had a great day for your birthday and everything :)
I do not know what's wrong with those that play the AMX-30. May I know why? I've gotten a lot of near nuke spawn with it.
Frenchies in top tier usually turns the tide of the battle, they're really good players with a somewhat decent MBT, unlike Russia at the moment..
the people still claiming russian bias at top tier are actually delusional
@@molstad182Russia has great MBTs at top tier. But when Sweden and Germany get MBTs that are competitive Russian mains have to start using their brains again lol
@@molstad182 People denying Russian bias despite all the blatant evidence are even more delusional.
@@molstad182 there’s plenty of Russian bias, just because now after like 3 fucking years other nations get mbts with actual armor and Russian mains actually have to aim for weakspots, doesn’t mean there isn’t Russian bias
@@molstad182that one ammo disappearing without explosion:
No spall damage when shooting the sides of T-80BVM:
French players don't complain bc when they get buffs their vehicle goes up by a whole br
Giving aphe to the 25t was the beginning of its downfall
Can confirm
Oh my god you actually made the top tier France video!! Thank you so much Justin!!!!!!!!
Dude, that "TIIIIIIIIIRE !!!!!" at 5:40 made me crack up
_it means "SHOOT !!!" (2nd person singular) in French_
At first i thought "eh, it would not happen that i grind French tanks", now one of my favourite BR is 8.3 with the AMX-30 DCA and the AMX-10RC, and even 9.3 was a fun experience (but i have to fill-up the line-up with another tank); for being 8.3 and without the stab, i rather prefer to enjoy a little more myself staying back and actually doing something sneaky with the AMX-10RC.
Maybe one day i shall try the Leclercs, yet i have to grab the ItO as SAM...and maybe putting some talismans on then (with the next sales)
Justin, the S.21 has more add on armor than just the sight extension, they have some in the cheeks, most people miss that part
the bug in the chopper is when the lil wing on your tail are cut off (doesn't do anything) reported it a year ago...lol
You went the high ground vs Mr Underhill, that's never gonna work out:)
Wow, what a convenient, i just unlocked the Leclerc earlier today
Welcome to the family.
Oh my god, I applied when you were making a video lol my bad!
i made my current wt acc back in june 2018 and have been only playing france eversince , its not so bad honestly , solid shot is all ive known for all those years and it stopped bothering me an eternity ago
The Leclerc is such a beauty, especially if you compare it to some other french tanks like the B1ter or the AMX-10RC
Mission accomplished Justin plays France after hearing me playing it XD
I really wish the vbci was researchable cause it's sad their highest br ifv/armored car is a premium
Us frenchies Don complain because whenever we do nobody listens 😂. Source: AMX-30 B2 @ 8.7 without stab lol
Makes us better at the game at the end of the day
15:25 still waiting on that bug report that went through to fix the turret ring.
just got over 2k kills in the Sxxi and I still loves it
Love the french tree, Somua SM is so strong despite going up!
Somua didn't get br raised, battlepass AMX-50 and Char 25t did
Yes it did, it's been raised twice in the last year, just not in the last update.
It's still at 7.7 @@danny2039abxhd
JustinPlays is underrated channle
I been lays to turn my laptop on and play WT but its fun watching someone else play top tier 😂😂
Justin, could you make a video about Japanese top tier in the future?
We, French players, complains. But as we are complaining in a constructive manner for gaijin to fix, and as we don’t CRY, as a pretty small community, Gaijin just doesn’t care about our thoughts. Even when providing open sources materials, they don’t care.
As such, France is ALWAYS getting nerfed. Remember the EBR 1954 being at 4.7 ? It is now at 6.7 ! 7.7 lineup is now ruined and being at 8.0 versus stabs and laser rangefinder….
That is pretty hilarious than devs that NEVER played or play the game, actually changes BR just based on WR only.
Gaijin just absolutely HATES France. How many time did we wait for Magic2 with IRCCM when we gave them all proofs of it ? How many time did we wait for French navy (That never got a decent update since, except 2 ships …) ?
I don’t even talk about spall liners and all technology that Leclerc has that is missing. Neither the fact that France still has no SQ vehicule
As someone with top tanks in several nations, I often Leclerc main. It’s an excellent all around tank and I have my best matches with France. It’s definitely been powercrept, but Leclerc has never been bad imo. Some better ammo is all it really needs. Combined with mirage 2k, France can be deadly in grb. Most fun to play for sure.
that helicopter thing was ridiculous
we miss the APDFSDS with more than 800mm of pen that MBDA is producing ....
nobody in wt has their realistic pen values, 800+mm is probably on the low end for a modern tank round irl
what are actually some good tips for using the Tiger UHT in GRB and positioning with it?
And I hate how they nerfed the PARS to be unusable on 80% of the maps
So right off the bat: urban maps or dense forests/flat plains. Forget it, don’t even bother taking a helicopter, the only exception is desert city.
The ONLY way you’re going to hide from SAMs and get kills is to fly somewhere that puts a mountain between you and the enemy SAMs and can overwatch caps.
Trees will absolutely not hide you from radar and you need to drop everything you’re doing the moment an enemy jet comes out
The difference in the leclercs gaijin wont add. The serie 21 is suppose to have titanium inserts. The newer leclercs can be easily manned by a single person. They have commander controlled transmissions (idk why gaijin wont add it) and the top tier dart has been nerfed (for some reason) also its able to achieve 12 rounds a minute with its autoloader. sincerely - probably the number 1 highest time played french main
How did you get 11 crew slots? I only managed to get up to 10 slots. Is this some kind of CC benefit or something?
If i remember correctly it´depends also on other unlocked nations.
I would say the tanks are alright but not great. Their CAS is very good, their helis are good.
AS one of the player who play french nation for around whole year to be honest i really enjoy their ground vehicles, even tho their tank are not strong as the other nation. But what i like about french nation because i feel like that they are so Rare that not many war Thunder player play the french nation which is what i like the most. I just like to be differents Than the other player.
That Yak 141 Was me worth it to make it in the video
the only thing i complain about is france needs a top tier premium leclerc the amx30 super doesnt cut it
I dont get why they don't all get roof mounted MG's, is that not an mg mount next to the commanders hatch?
It is, we lack a lot of our roof MG, even for some amx50s.
Amx 50 Surbaissé should have a 20mm btw..
I enjoy the Leclercs and the VBC 2 can hold its own in top tier but France really needs another support.
There’s nothing stopping Gaijin from adding a Rank 7 premium, They claim they won’t because ‘It won’t have a lineup’ yet they did it with Israel in Alpha Strike
Are you sure it is not Italy? We have the highest win-rate, surely italy has the best tanks of course!
I dunno i have been seeing a surge of Italian players on top tier. And they do well. Mostly
only if that were true 😢
italy does not have the highest winrate, britain does for the most part
@@marvou6811 Italy has the highest grb winrate currently
As someone currently grinding France right now, is the MEPHISTO line worth grinding? I’m honestly tempted to just skip that line, but idk if I I might be missing out.
The AuF1 and AMX-50 Foch can be fun to play but I can't say the same about the rest.
The AMX-10M and AMX-30 ACRA are just painful ATGM vehicles.
The Mephisto is alright. Not as good as its contemporaries (AFT-09, IT-1 etc) but it's alright.
Personally, I skipped the line.
No. I wouldn't say so. I skipped it at first to get the 9.3 tanks to rush the 11.7 leclercs. And I grinded it afterwards. The vehicle itself is not bad but the lineup around is just plain bad. If you want to get to top tier asap skip it. If you plan to play the 8.7 lineup, go for it I would say
Eh. Not really.
for ke its better to grind brenus and amx10 rc line
There's aleak regarding Leclerc UAE, what's your opinion?
Gib
Make a vid about the Su-39
Take 2xKh-29 & 2xKh-25ML & Vikhr missiles
Trust me, you will enjoy
I just got both amx32’s, first 3 games more than half my team is gone in the first 4 minutes, of all 3 games, i am currently suffering
I just revisited War Thunder and Top BR French. I found very little to complain about. However I mostly fought against Russian teams so I used only SAM systems and I never felt need to touch anything else. ince rush helicopters to atgm spam mhelicopters and CAS jets they kep feed me. Im in love with anti-air so it was candy crush for me XD Ever since the took away commander TVD from both leClerc in order to give it to two others I never played MBT's with French tree. But I have talisman on both lower BR LeClerc so why not to get the two big boys? Have fun and don't take anything serious! Love from Hungary!
"There's no sales going on" - ayyy wat?
Also I've only had A SINGLE night battle since they were reintroduced :(
Was filmed prior alright.. xP
can u share ur control settings?
I personally dont use the 4000 as CAS. The lack of thermals and sharing the same spawn points as the 5F doesnt make it wirth it to me iver the D-R1
Doesn't it get the ATLIS II?
8:20 😂 Follow your dreams and become a singer Justin!
22:39 so sad that they really nerf as hell the Mistral missiles😢😢
I want the embt fron 2017 2a7 hull with lecler turret
And in waiting for the amx T40 or how is called
the terminateur or terminator in english is a leclerc with a 140mm gun
we are not "complained the least", we are just on "acceptance" stage of grief
Anyone recommend getting the T-69 II G for China? I really enjoy the Chinese tech tree, their tanks are very good looking.
Can someone explain me why the EBR 1951 is 5.3 while the Sdkfz Puma is 3.3 ?
The snail is afraid of another 1954 situation
Leclerc has surprisingly trolly armor
yeah ive bounced way more than I thought I would playing the leclerc, i think its because the turret has lots of angles so volumetric can get fucky
@@molstad182 I think because people look at it and think "Oh a sheet of paper, I don't need to aim properly" and then they fk up the shot
But you have to play as france. That's the greatest downside.
Gonna be honest, France has really good lineups at every bracket except for reserve
@@DatFatThor Their tanks are fine. But I'll never drape that flag on anything. Including in game.
@@handlesaresupergheyreal, fuck France.
Italian players: have you tried playing Italy?
cuz ur gay lol
The French top tier is kinda crazy
Bruh
I don’t understand why they don’t ad the S XXI with AZUR 💀
Hohoho monsiour nos chars sont équipés pour se rendre à la perfection
Casual broken french
But jokes aside I do want to play some Leclercs
id argue the type ten is the most underrated
as a French main I can confirm lecrec is fun
I am a French main player and let me tell you guys - just don't grind France, Leclerc's are the worst high tier tanks just like Ariete's (although latter has a better pen dart, but worse in most other aspects), the mid tier to 7.7 was very good in the right hands, but they moved them to 8.0, practically killing those tanks
If you want firepower, autoloader - go Japan
If you want everything - go Sweeden or Germany
If you want jack of all trades - go USA
If you want stalinium - go USSR
If you want good armour, but bad almost everything else besides ammo - go UK
China - not sure
Israel - not sure
Just avoid France and Italy, Gaijin is destroying France and always nerfing them because experienced players have already researched Germany/USSR/USA and then go to play minor nations and do well statistically speaking, so Gaijin takes that data K/D and there is no issue to buff them, in fact these players are usually so good, they nerf or uptier the tanks instead
Leclerc's need a reload rate buff and a better pen round as they have the lowest pen dart in the WHOLE game while being a NATO tank
amx-10p is a ifv, and is on tt
french squadron top vehichle when?
leclerc is fine until it always fuel explodes
the autoloader got buffed. c:
Indeed
Spike ER in this game is laughably bad. Only works reliably against helicopters and that's it.
Complained the least? No, there is a thread that has more than 2000 replies asking gaijin to buff leclerc. More like being ignored the most
It is ironic to say the french never complain ?
Air CAS is good
Heli is good
MBT is really bad
Air CAS is the best in game
Heli CAS is the best in game
Tanks are middle of the pack
Just my opinion
Why would I complain? The Leclerc is a great tank, it has great mobility and a good gun with a good reload which can reload faster then most other tanks. France also has the Mirage 2000-5F which is arguably one if not the best Cas plane in TopTier. France also gets the Tiger 2 HAD which is also in the top 3 best TopTier Helis, for me at least. It also gets the ItO 90M, the second best Spaa in game. France Top Tier just lacks new type of Vehicles for TopTier.
I agree on the most part of what you said but first, the Leclerc survivability is really mediocre, the turret might save you sometimes but else you're gonna be OS (especially because of the fuel that LOVES exploding), also the round is not that great for the actual standards (even if it doesn't really matter in top tier as you have to aim on almost every opponent but the enemies don't have to as you have next to no armor). I agree on the 2000-5F and now there is even the 4000 but the Tiger helicopter is just the ultimate pain in the ass to grind, i have almost all Leclercs but i'm stuck on that stupid H 34 which is HORRIBLE like there's no other vehicle in the entire game that just depress me more than this thing does when i play it.
@@alphawolf6214 You can now research heli with tank tho? I DID grind H-34 completely F2P in EC mode and it took me weeks, that thing is a flying boat
@@elkiane976 yes you can research helis with tanks but i didn't finish the tank tech tree yet and i prioritize researching tanks
@@alphawolf6214 I got the Allouette but they nerfed the zoom to 10x recently. Now I don't bother putting them in my lineup, I just grind with tank only
We french don't complain because we're tired of it, gaijin just hates us anyways
France #1 🥖 🇫🇷 ❤ (5s reload > OFL120F2)
Ofle 120 f2/ shard
Armor buff>everything
@@nobunagaoda5217 it doesnt need an armor buff, the armor is plenty… your main advantage right now is speed and mobility while the reload advantage keeps slowly going away while they buff everyone else except for france
@@Skinny6539 The armor of Leclerc is PLENTY? wow!
@@nobunagaoda5217 i dont know what to tell you, i dont expect to survive as much shots as a 2a7 or 122 because its just not realistic… but sometimes it doesn’t matter and i end up eating shots till the end of the match racking up 10 kills in the process with 1 crew member, a turret that cant get fragged, and a 23 round 1st stage with blowout panels that work everytime unlike the abrams and leopards
u call that night time its still bright as fuck
Object 292 plz
Arrowhead is not a triple A company.
well top tier french is painful in Air RB
the 100 french players?
Genuinelly hate the maps gaijin gives us for top tier, almost every game ends in 1 team spawn camping its so assanine.
Because why not let 500,000 people pay you a premium price, like 60-100 bucks to then have them help fix and finish the game for you?
5 year with the same obsolete cold war shell 💀💀💀
It used to be one of the best sabots in the game as well. Now it's incredibly subpar.
no way this guy just said germany suffers at top tier. they have one of the best tanks, if not the best tanks with spall liners.
(It was sarcasm)
I've just learned about the RCH 155, and I'd love to see it in the game in the future in the German tech tree (Either in the TD or Light Tank line).
It's the same 155mm L/52 gun from the Panzerhaubitze 2000 mounted in a new crewless turret on top of the chassis of the Boxer.
That would be funny as hell.
WOAH, Germany doesn’t suffer AT ALL💀 Russia and America are getting crapped on rn
I see FRANCE, I click
Do USA tanks pls
Might be a bit later on that, as I'm sure gaijin will balance USA eventually
Just remembered in todays all chat:"....nah bro, French tank tree is all ass!" 😂
I don't understand why do people keep crying about Russia is biased. Like how?? I'm a russian main I get 1 shot by other nations mbt. I never felt biased. Infact german tanks are the one really hard to kill.
didnt you just make a video saying japan was the underrated top tier
They could add OFL 120 F2 for rank VIII only
Ofle 120 f2
bunch of croisants on wheels.