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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- How much do you know about the Panhard EBR? Join David Willey for this week's Tank Chat as he covers the development, design and use of this French armoured car.
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00:00 | Intro
00:26 | Development
10:44 | Design & Versions
23:41 | Vehicle Use
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Hi Tank Nuts, we hope you enjoyed David Willey's latest Tank Chat. Please do let us know what you think in the comments.
ifi had a wish ( not asking, just dreaming)
Messirs Wiley and Fletcher would EACH do a take on all the tanks so those of us that love the intimate minute detail Mr Wiley brings can get what they love and those of us that just like 10 mins of Mr Fletcher's wit and mustache are also happy..
this is just a dream. carry on with what you do
pure awesomeness lol
France wished they had the Panhard during WW1
The tank museum should start calling territorial army bases, there's a lot of older vehicles parked up in them.
I've been in two bases and they both had post war vehicles, not used, just being stored.
Very interesting presentation - but spoilt again by your infuriating habit of using a second camera off to David's left so that at times he is talking to someone else off to my left, which is mightily dis-concerting. Can you please fix?
Little did the French know when they created the EBR, that they would be ruining the countless gamers lives 70 years later.
I wondered if anyone would mention wot . Yea to be fair we asked for them but dam balance them .
@@wot1fan885 Same goes for War Thunder. When first introduced the 90mm version with HEAT was, and still is, a menace.
Hahahaha, so true.
Are you talking about a lame game with microtransactions yeah get that s*** out of here!
The bane of my arty
Our French allies are very ingenious and should be applauded for thinking out of the box with several of their designs. Great video, thank you for sharing.
@@Crazy-pl1lo silly comment as they had almost double killed in WW2 as we British did or to put it another way almost the same as Britain and America combined.
@@Crazy-pl1lo silly comment as they had almost double killed in WW2 as we British did or to put it another way almost the same as Britain and America combined. They fought valiantly through out the war so they need credit in the final victory over the axis.
@@tonyjedioftheforest1364 who asked? 🤡
@@tonyjedioftheforest1364 source: trust me bro
@@Crazy-pl1lo Who asked you anything? Hush.
served in the 9th Hussard , we had EBR
it was forbidden to smoke next to them as it was petrol driven and there was a chance of it going up in flame
this did not inspire a lot of confidence , but the drivers had a ball on the training ground ripping all over the place
How could one stop a French soldier striking up a Galoises? Merde!
certainly a concern but if the french aren't concerned with someone torching it from a cigarette, then there's nothing to worry about
@@lllordllloyd Gitanes Mais 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻, but wear diapers.
One book tankgerman , tells of smoking on autobahn jet feul arc , runway for planes ,
@@andreasandersson2994 Keep in mind that the Army has reasons that the reason do not know , just obey .
At a big armory I saw a sign
"what is not ordered is forbidden "
I absolutely love 8x8 armored cars but the EBR is among the best ever. You can't mistake it as anything other then a French design.
LIghting, camera angle, shot composition, editing, color grading are all getting better and better. This episode especially is so nice to watch.
@@francesco245 true. That could be a little more B rolls related to the specific parts getting talked about. C
I don't know why they keep using that sideways/off camera angle though. Looks daft and adds nothing to the production whatsoever.
Very well-made, insightful, and informative video! Thanks a lot!
I came a bit late to the party and did my whole career on the AMX10RC, but the "old guys" always spoke very positively about the EBR.
The AMX 10 RC was the armoured car that the French army used to great effect way out on the left flank protecting the Americans who had no vehicles that could cover the ground they had to cover in Iraq War 1. The 10 RC was a powerful, fast and strong, safe AC. Saw a regiment on the move one autumn near Saverne, and as we passed we were looking UP at the AC, and it was going very fast. Not as fast as our Renault 5 Turbo but what would be?
@@Demun1649
Yes. I was a tank commander in the 1REC during the first Gulf war.
On road, we would get up towards 115 km/h.
@@charlesstoeng9166 that sounds like interesting piece history to hear more about.
Such unique yet iconic looking vehicles.
There are so many praising The Tank Museum's media team in every video, but I want to add my voice to them. I was just watching a doc on cable and this video is so much better edited. Congrats to everyone involved.
Peak Consoomerism is when you care more about the package than the knowledge.
@@Br1cht Oh those evil aesthetes with their evil aesthetics writing about audiovisual aestheticism. Consoomerists all!!
There used to be one of these on the grenade practice range at Castelnaudary when I was a young trainee Légionnaire in the early 80’s. It had been altered so that when we lobbed practice grenades into the drivers hatches, they would hit a series of baffles and make their way out toward the “front” of the vehicle for reuse.
French armoured cars always have an air of coolness about them
Panhard Boxer engines came in aircooled, two strokes, watercooled strokes and 2 -12 cylinder. Panhard bars are still used today to modify the cog and roll center on rear axles. A very progressive company.
Always fascinating, it was great to see David in person at Tank Fest Sunday this summer. Keep up the great content.
Brilliant video about a vehicle that has mythical status in the hands of the FFL. In the minds of it's enemies, the EBR had the alarming ability to pop up everywhere and anywhere. Causing mayhem when it was least expected!
Légionnaire, tu es un volontaire, servant la France avec honneur et fidélité.
David Willey is the absolute master of the tank chat format. This is a superb video, well written, well edited and thoroughly compelling. I love it! The only way to improve this would be to have Finn in evidence.
What a cool machine, definitely a unique look
the historical moment in the Portuguese history was it's participation in the carnation revolution where some of these EBR's where in a "Mexican" stand of against American M60A3 TTS under the dictatorial regime in 1 of a major avenue in Lisbon...
Actually M47 from the 1.° Regimento de Cavalaria. The portuguese only got the M60s a few years after the Revolução dos Cravos. Also not sure if the Panhards faced any tanks. One of them was, Im sure, instrumental for the surrender of the dictactor at that time, who took refuge at the HQ of the National Republican Guard
@@rodrigogoncalves6165 eu não tinha muita certeza entre os M60 e os M45/47 Patton, daí ter ido pelo que veio substitui-los
Aliás, os M47 vieram a ser substituídos pelos M48, curiosamente também chamados de Paton, apesar de serem tanques completamente diferentes. Os M60 vieram muito mais tarde, e penso que se encontram armazenados, como uma espécie de reserva para tempo de guerra. O uso das Panhards na guerra colonial portuguesa foi algo limitado, e c resultados duvidosos. Não era o veículo que mais se adequava a uma guerra, sobretudo, de guerrilha. Mas como não tínhamos mais nada...
@@rodrigogoncalves6165 No frente a frente contra os tanques do regimento de Cavalaria 7 pelo menos 2 EBR da EPC de Santarém tinham os canhões apontados contra os taques do RC 7
@@Yamato-tp2kf Mas os tanques não eram M60. E tens a certeza de que era o RC7?
I have known of thie series for thirty years and now know thirty times more. Thankyou. The USA tried a similar turret in the 1950s which wasn't adopted.
Another interesting French entry. There's something about an armoured vehicle that I find fascinating; an armoured car with a punch could raise some eyebrows.
The Panhard AML is definitely worth a look as well, as is the derivative Eland 90.
The much more modern day South African Rooikat is an absolute beast of an 8x8 with a big gun in the turret. I'm surprised more modern armies haven't adopted more lightly armored wheeled vehicles for urban or suburban combat, where speed is more important than ground pressure and off-road capabilities....not to mention lighter vehicles tend to not fall through the crumbling infrastructure as readily as a 60 ton tank.... falling through a street into the sewers below is never any fun.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 I mean modern french army uses huge amount of tanks but with wheels to this day for African roads or lack of. Really does reduce there logistics. Another example how France despite being part NATO kinda just goes there own way to this day.
The great thing about David is that he straddles the multiple roles he plays so well. He must interpret military procurement to a professional audience: industry who need to understand the design issues around AFV design, then the doctrine issues for military personnel who need to understand how and why vehicles are the way they are. Then he translates all of that for the general public; the "geeky" nerds like most of us watching this, then "war thunder" community who want to understand what tanks do, then the truly general public who just want to appreciate what tanks mean in the terrible reality of the wars fought by their dads, grandads etc.
he is the consummate curator. David, we are all in your debt.
A "large plethora"...😊
Indeed it is@@kwakagreg
Some really striking design ideas, especially for the time. The French are pretty good for unusual takes on otherwise mundane vehicle concepts. It's a curious thought to have what is basically a mini-EBR nearing completion during WW2. I wonder how the completed AM 40 P would have eventually looked and performed, had the situation been different.
Exceptionally good episode. I learned there was quite a bit of innovation and interesting engineering in these vehicles
"French Engineers copy no one and no one copies French Engineers"
I mean not exactly true many french engineered things people use. Smokeless gun powder somewhat on topic being one.
Well ... not really, As said in other comment as to keep in that line, the Minié gun use the german rifled barrel but put it to the modern era and since all the rifled barrel weapon use the same principle (using the expansion of lead as a seal and being forced into rotation by the grooves) :D So a french engineers did copy and enhanced something, and was copied (but not enhanced) by others :p
Try the Renault ft17, the first modern design tank...
Front wheel drive cars: french madness
In central Europe we have this joke that a French tank has 1 gear forward and 5 gears backwards.
At last a little knowledge on the Panhard EBR. I got a little Dinkey one for my sixth birthday and I've always been intrigued.
Have one just like it. Got it as a present when I was 7. Watched this video for the same reason.
Great Chat, thank you! Like many French designs, it's absolutely brilliant if a bit weird. But I do have to wonder about crew comfort....while placing the engine low in the center of the vehicle makes sense, I can't help but think how miserable it must have been with that heat radiating up through the turret floor in warm weather, especially in Algeria or any tropical country. An M3 Bradley turret is a miserable place to be in a Mississippi summer, and you're well removed from the engine....can't imagine what this would have been like.
Only 1/3 of the power and hatches front center and back giving each crew member his open window
Yes, reminds me of Classic Citroëns and Panhard cars.
Ohh great choice. Cheers for that tea break goodness.
Great coverage and explanation of these unique vehicles . Thank you .
Very informative exposé of yet another, unique, French AFV. Great work!
Great coverage of an iconic French vehicle!
great chat on an out of the kind vehicule. For me, its most iconic pictiureof it is when it served as a hearse for the General De Gaulle
I have it in good authority that even if you shoot off 5 tires it still wont loose speed ;)
Great presentation.
Thank you Dave Willey.
I was reminded of the French ERA turntable (as in record player) when you mention the odd turret and ball bearings. Unlike conventional tone-arms pivoting on needle bearings
ERA had a frictionless (so the claim was made) pivot formed by X blades on either side. Well worth looking out for one.
Great to see you break away from the more common post war tanks/philosophies. Look forward to hearing about Dutch reconnaissance next, given my dad nation service driving then new AMX, M1113 and Centurion tanks in a mixed battalion
I love David Fletcher for his unique use of language, but I also love David Willey for his incredible knowledge.
The Tank Museum video quality is worthy of full-length documentaries.
Another fantastic video. Cheers from Down Under.
Wait, how did I miss this one? Great stuff!!! Mr. Wiley is great.
It's interesting that some modern lorries can raise pairs of wheels to save fuel when not carrying cargo.
The French make good solutions but often forget them. I remember when I drove a 2000 Citroen C5, the sunvisor was a double sunvisor. Underneath the big visor there was a plastic flap that you could tilt forwards while you could tilt the other visor to the side so you had glare protection from the front and the side. I was thinking this is ingenious. Then I drove the facelifted one and they had removed it for a reason I couldn't understand at all.
@@Perkelenaattori The Germans are famous for their engineering but so should the French be. Citroën were renowned for design innovations in their cars.Renault also led the field with superminis, hatchbacks and MPVs.There's no better monument to French engineering than the Eiffel Tower. The list goes on and on.
@@ddraig1957 Oh I completely agree and this is the reason why I'm on my 2nd Citroen in a row. My Bucephalus is currently a 2019 C4 Cactus that's been remarkably trouble free. My main gripe was that they had already developed the best sunvisor I had ever seen in a car, then conveniently forgot it for the facelift and haven't brought it back.
That's mostly for tyre wear, but sure.
@@Perkelenaattori Citroën is absolutely amazing. I personally drive a C6, the last true Citroën with hydropneumatic suspension. It's such a smooth driving car.
The comfort in it isn't beaten by anything
My favourite armoured car. These looked impressive in the early 80s Germany.
Thank you for this excellent vidéo a concise yet comprehensive coverage of the EBR…and yes Panhard had a taste for lightweight wheeled plateforms packing a big gun … Think of the AML with its 90 mm and more recently the Sagaie…
Really enjoy the longer format deeper dive into history of the designs and theory behind the subject in this chat and Somua 35 chat earlier.
Interesting video about the history of this machine , very well documented thank you
Really interesting vehicle and very well presented, as usual. Never heard of the Panhard EBR before, so very revealing. The French were skillful and innovative designers of armored vehicles. It's a tragedy they were not better deployed and coordinated in May-June 1940.
Were ? we are still :D
The last segment is the best IMO - every word is super important and exciting even connecting to today's war in Ukraine. More of that please :)
Amazing video and awesome tank! Can’t wait for Tankfest!
Great video, I've always like the Panhards.
Heck yes. Love these long ones.
Excellent detail video on limited production vehicle. I especially enjoyed the Portugal purchase side. i have very little info there are enjoyed you adding to it.
Another great video, well done
One of my favorite armored cars, such an iconic and mean looking vehicle.
fascinating, as ever. At the risk or sounding like a broken record, DW presents brilliantly with detail and a proper undertsanding fo the vehicle's context.
And the advantage of reversing out of trouble is that your thickest armour is still facing the enemy.
.... If that is the case they should have moved the rear plates to the front and left the rear driver sit in the rain. The advantage of having a driver with the same abilities in the back is that you can do a fast retreat as if you had done a 360 spin on the spot in the time it takes to get the command over to the rear driver. And I guess on a long drive/mission the drivers can swap position and have a brake from maneuvering that thing. Like for real the the EBR can turn around and have the same amount of armor facing the threat. It is the fact that the turning around bit can be shortened to just tell the rear driver to DRIVE NOW!
I might have missed something. But was it anything said about reverse speed? I expect it to be as fast going reverse as forward. Really it is a stupid idea to have a dedicated rear driver. But it helps if going backwards is not slower then a person walking that is for sure. It is quite scary to go full reverse in a normal car. But to only be able to go 2km/h in reverse when someone is aiming at you is not much better. Like for real a car can go like what 70km/h in reverse? But that is just stupid.
@@TheDiner50 That rear driver is also the radio operator. The German Panzerspaehwagen "Luchs" had the same setup, except that he had to look over the long rear engine deck. And it was taller and only had a 20mm. The 40mm was probably on the turret, and maybe a bit less on the hull.
@@TheDiner50 reverse is same speed. It's crazy design. That's why it's good. Just stop suddenly off backwards at 100kmph.
Great job 👏
Great video again. Well done.
Wheelieeesss, weeeee! Awesome history breakdown. 🏎👍
12:50 The rumble of a CR going by...brings back memories.
Great video of a superb subject.
The legendary Panhard 178 shall have a video on its own.
Original, practical, elegant. French.
Speaking as a practical tanker (25 years), it sounds like a horror story. The engine BENEATH the turret? What species of legume thought that up? Pulling daily preventive maintenance checks and services and running repairs must be an absolute nightmare. And if you have to pull the powerpack - please tell me you are not faced with the HELL of removing the turret
Great Prof, Enjoyed that. One would think the time for a similar vehicle may be approaching. Many advantages over conventional vehicles!
its basically Stryker, in fact panhard has tried to get their own modern vehicles produced
@@AsbestosMuffins well, I suppose, in that they are both wheeled light armor vehicles. But this was designed for the cavalry as a fighting reconnaissance vehicle. The Stryker is an IFV.
Great in depth video!
Good program.
Possibly my favourite video yet
I've been waiting for a long time for someone to cover the EBR.
Well that was cool vid and I didn't no there was an APC version which Portugal had in service. Learn something new everyday.
Great stuff as always
What a great Tank Chat by Mr. David. Do you have that armoured car with the 105mm gun?
One of my favorites when playing tank quartet.
Merci Beaucoup !
Thank you again for these fantastic displays and sharing of your knowledge. There is a Panhard currently being restored at the Australian Armour and Artillery Museum. Wednesday Workshops on UA-cam are compelling viewing. It’s an incredible Museum to visit, if you ever get a chance.
The Bundeswehr's Luchs reconnaissance vehicle had a rear-driver too.
Thank you!
"The French copy no one, and no one copies the French."
Renault ft 17 tank anyone ? Or the 75 gun ? Copied since 1915 worlwide, Citroën traction avant, smokeless gun power?
A bold and innovative design. That made it complicated, yet they seemed to have mastered the engineering. That makes me think of the GD Ajax.....
Keep at it! your friend from Seattle
The tank museum should start calling territorial army bases, there's a lot of older vehicles parked up in them.
Many years ago, I saw one of these slide through an intersection in Eastern France during their annual war games.
In France as a child, I bought a metal model of this and also Panther. The Panhard model was 10 franc less than the Panther (46F [Grasse], 1964)
Thank you so much for the visual reference and engineering background for EBR series!
I love using EBR 54 and 63 in War Thunder.This video will be a great reference for me to understand the vehicle even more now.
edit:It saw service in Philippines and Malaya? Wow,didn't know that.
Not in Malaya, but definitely in Indonesia and possibly in East Timor.
Not served in the Philippines as well, we're primarily American-equipped until very recently.
Armored cara are exceptional at anti-partisan and policing actions. That's why colonial troops were equipped with them - both British and French used them a lot.
Man... that commentator poured out all that information and history in a clear, coherent and comprehensive way... apparently off the top of his head without a script or teleprompter!!
good episode
A 12 cylinder boxer air cooled engine...😍
That pic of the Panther and the AMX13. I know which one I want in the Normandy Bocage or the Vosgues Mountains!!
p.s. The little one!!
Love the way you pronounce Panhard
very innovative design , French engineers certainly weren't afraid to try new things were they ?
No, it's an interesting culture that feeds in many works of life.
French engineering as always been inovative but...too much maybe. I think our best designs were when we collaborated with other nations! Pure french designs are often too futuristic and out of touch with the reality of the time...but at least it makes us pioneer in many fields, just trash at turning them into vital ones. USA are way better for this. USA is the country I think of when we talk about picking a good concept and pushing it to its best
Panhards were on the Falkland and they were not used by the Argentines. That inaction of these tanks against the British troops baffled me.Anyone can answer me why these tanks were not used to overrun the British attacks?
The drivers and operators were trained by the French. So ....
The SAS disguised two lads as French Streetwalkers and gave them 8 Gallons of French wine.
(Actually Chilean wine with the labels changed).
They then infiltrated the camp where the armoured cars were based. There they started a Sing Song ... drawing the troops into a night of drunken debauchery !
They were then too drunk and hungover to fight.
So I was told ... long long ago
@@leshmahagow364 acurrated description of these historical facts Anthony Beevor is reling with envy by you historical rigour i had been told.
But still i can figured out why the argies did not use that armour to smash the Brits with a fierce counterattack.
@@actonman7291 The AML was limited to operating on the roads in and around Stanley by the terrain, by the time the British got that far the Argentinians had lost their desire to fight.
They wouldn't of stood a chance , attacking the paras or royal marines. We was carrying Law 66 , and Carl gustaf 84mm anti tank rockets . Would of ended badly for the argies
Awesome nostalgia on Tanks
thank you
With this video and your recent other videos on French designs pre WW2 which are very detailed.
You point out that the French were at odds at all quarters over their tank requirements, this included; the cavalry wanted at least three different designs, the legislature of the French Constitution complicated who could have what, and not least the, French trade unions and the adoption of a minimal fixed working week, which all conspired to ensure that what could be made available by the beginning of WW2 was much less than it could gave been. As you point out of course this was actually a blessing in disguise as the Germans simply captured all the best French machines and remployed them to wreck havoc for the remainder of the war. At the time of this incredible period of indecision, their German neighbours were building a huge war machine right on their doorstep - but this didn't seem to worry the French, who in the face of another conflict with the Germans (see previous altercations, including the Franco Prussian War and WW1) who it must be said in the light of all these internal issues and a pending disaster, persisted with farcical attempts at innovation. So when war did come, the French had little to show for their efforts.
Ironically I note the French design(s) shown here, featured a driver at both ends .. rather like their attitude to defend themselves in the face of a clear Nazi threat.
The French did invest in serious fixed fortifications - which of course proved an abject failure and considerable French fleet was crippled by similar issues to the tanks- politics, the constitution and apathy .. which was the real killer punch.
Love your work- thank You!
Hello! Thank you for the video and public service. I would be nice if you show the vehicle from inside.
Australian armour and artillery museum in cairns ,australia are restoring one of these.
Cool thanks 👍
That's a pretty cool vehicle.
He’s very tall in real life - another great post 😎
This vehicle was just brilliant
Oh reminds me of the Citroen I grew up in with pneumatic sussy suspension,up down worked I suppose, more of a gimmick to usage ,good idea,but to the annuals of dust,lol,
I love these tank chats though they would be far more informative and educational if we were able to see the vehicle in more detail rather than a fixed backdrop veiw. Simple shots of perhaps the interior and bits of interest around the vehicle would be spectacular.
Yeah, want to see around and inside the vehicle while he's talking.
Interesting Thompsom SMG hanging off the turret @18:21. BTW the number 3 looks German style. Cheers!
French make hard hitting stuff!
Great vid! But surprised that it was not said why occolating turrets died out: too hard to stabilize - gun needs to be lightweight.
I wish someone would do a video on the elc and batchat . 2 amazing tanks to play in world of tanks.
Bare in mind that a lot of french tank in WoT are barely prototypes and some were barely out of the drawing stage.
The battle of france did put a stop to the french tank design where other nation like UK, US, Germany and USSR kept their design office up and running at full speed.
Then after the war we (french) neede to rebuild the majority of the industrie as the nazi did stole and dismembered lot's of factory to fuel the war (lot's of heavy machinary were transfer from french factories to german factories with their worker also in the Mandatory Service work programme STO).
So even with the impulse of the De Gaulle tank manufacturer did disappeared or were merge like somua, Batignolle-Chatillon, Lorraine; atelier les moulineaux
With the nationalisation of some of the defense industries and renault and the need to rebuild the destroyed industries some of the project never got to prototype ...
To be blunt, a lot of tanks in WOT are fantasy, regardless of nationality. It's one of the (many) things that have ruined the game.