Dude, it's crazy. I've been vegan for almost 7 years, and I just avoid the topic unless I'm forced to say something like I can't have this work lunch at x location because I am vegan or don't eat meat. Idk how many times that has prompted someone to say something about hating veganz, and how vegans are annoying or always preaching. I'm just like okay 😐 We're not on the Internet rn
It’s so refreshing to see a non-vegan top notch male fitness authority speak kindly of veganism. Because it’s super freaking rare. Been vegan 5 years for ethical reasons. No animals harmed in the making of these 💪
You do realize that vegan food from monocrop agriculture kills alot of animals? Like billions of insects and other small animals are affected annually on a global scale. So when you say "no animals" you're basically just talking about cows, pigs and chickens.
I’m not sure man. Ethically speaking, being vegan (as well as non-vegan) comes at an opportunity cost as does existence of any life form. The fact we must farm is at the opportunity cost of habitat that the farm must destroy. The opportunity cost of non farmed food is that wildlife cannot consume that food. That is without the human labour, environmental strains and energy required to produce sufficient vegan food for a population even being considered.
@@zeesthoughts6116 Farming damage could be greatly lessened if we didn't have to feed our food. The land needed to feed just humans is way less than what we currently have to feed the millions of cows and pigs.
@@mitchellfrank16 I think you’ll find that to be a bit hyperbolic in my view. Farming attempts to reduce energy loss drastically which means the energy transferred from plants to cows to humans is efficient. It’s the entire point of farming for profit. As such, farming vegan food instead of animals would require the same land at a minimum plus the land needed to refine and process the produce.
As a long term vegan athlete, my take is if you "go vegan", like any diet, research your food choices... being vegan does not guarantee healthy choices, and in fact most vegans I know eat more processed, packaged foods than my nonvegan friends. I actually rarely encourage anybody to be vegan, because most people are too lazy to figure out how to make healthy plant based choices. Less meat, great! More veggies, great! Dr Mike is on point.
Less meat is great? Hell nah, more meat is great, there is a lot more choices that are tastier , more healthy and have better mico and macro nutrients in them, than your fake ones that are plant based. Why are u rewiring his words, going veganism is solely to be more "ethical", because u don't want to kill animals and shit right? How can u go vegan to gain more health when it's not even good for health, I don't understand why would people go to such extents of lying about themselves and other things
He forgot to say that there is a difference in health outcomes when it comes to “veganism” and “whole foods plant based” which is a majority of calories coming from whole plant foods in variety, which WILL DEFINITELY increase your health if you do it right.
No, veganism is solely "ethical" so that u have less choices, pay more and we get more meat for us and people that want the healthier choices, as most types of meat have more proteins, has better, more complex proteins, better fats, more and better micro nutrients, vitamins as well, oh and yes less calories. It's also less easy to overeat meat, beside meat being tasty, it's very sattiating. Plants based foods are most often rich shit in calories, use a lot of oils, have bad macro and micro nutrients in them, in America it's probably even worse because of your food regulations, oh and overall. Eating fake meat isn't healthy, as well as that variery of plant based food calories isn't so healthy, because it's not only veggies that u get inside. Eating meat, veggies, all the f'ks u want in the world while maintaining a balanced diet with all the needed micronutrients, fiber, vitamins ans shit is just better. So keep on being vegan, as i don't discriminate, if u want to say or write that im "against vegan people", or im a "veganphobic" ( a person irrationally scared of veganism), then u should check if u're not lying to yourself, because i state facts, lmao.😂
Yeah, the avoidance of trans fat, saturated fat and cholesterol combined with increased whole grain, legume, fruit and vegetables intake from eating a WFPB diet is 100 percent going to lead to better health incomes. This isn’t even debatable.
@@marcineq2k malnutrition isn't healthy for you. How are you linking that to a vegan diet. Name the nutrient you can't get in healthy quantities on a vegan diet, maybe I'll understand you're getting at.
I was vegan for 8 years and been vegetarian for 2, is nice to see a fair and non hostile view for veganism for once. 99% of the time its just pure hate and mockery
rightfully so. veganism is an anti-human ideology promoting a form of anorexia. let me guess, you went vegetarian because veganism was destitute and your health was failing? (not that vegetarian is much better, but at least you're getting some real food now)
I went vegan primarily for health reasons before realizing the ethical impact of not eating animals. On my health journey, I began eating more and more plant based foods, realizing these foods are full of antioxidants and phytonutrients. Also, one of the main premises of being vegan in my opinion is eating foods which are alive and come straight from the earth. There’s actually A LOT of plant based protein sources that make it not too hard to get your protein needs met. 1 cup of lentils =50-60g of protein. Certain Nuts and seeds are loaded with protein such as hemp seeds, peanuts, pumpkin seeds, cashews, almonds, etc. then you got legumes such as various types of beans and soy products like tempeh and tofu. Also gluten as well unless you’re gluten sensitive. I haven’t even listed all the protein sources however. A lot of these protein sources are high in fiber as well, which helps in assimilating the food in the body and flush out unnecessary toxins.
As a vegan, veganism is an ethical obligation, not a diet. As a result, vegans also don’t buy leather, go to zoos, etc.. That being said, most people will probably be healthier if they are vegan. This is not because veganism is necessarily more healthy, but most people don’t know anything about nutrition so in general veganism will reduce sodium / saturated fat / cholesterol intake and will make you healthier.
@@keifer7813 common sense? Anything that involves the avoidable and unnecessary exploitation of animals. For example, no this does not include not driving because you might run over ants because that is unavoidable. It does not include not eating plants because that is unavoidable
@@stevencats7137 Well I live in London where most people don't really need a car to get around. So if I drive even when I don't have to, would it be wrong as a vegan? Similarly, if I take a bus when I don't have to, i.e to meet friends on the weekend, would it be wrong as a vegan? Should I either walk a couple hours back and forth or perhaps just never see my friends? Curious to hear your responses
@@keifer7813 no because thats also not really avoidable. Not seeing your friends is not a realistic way to improve the earth and that falls outside of your control. But I also think those things go past what veganism is (about animals) but are also things all vegans agree with (climate action). In other words, even though veganism is about animals, I’m sure all vegans also agree we should all try to drive less, fly less, walk more, thrift, etc etc. But buying new clothes or driving isn’t inherently anti vegan. Veganism is about animals but the core principle is about improving the world in general, so any way to do that we strive to do. It’s like how a black rights activist’s main focus is racism, but surely they also think we should drive less and thrift and not hurt animals
@@stevencats7137 I was under the impression that veganism is about causing the least amount of harm possible onto other sentient beings. Not "as much as is convenient to my lifestyle". Not seeing friends is absolutely avoidable. You don't need to see them to survive. Yeah it's not great to be lonely but I would imagine you should prioritise the life of ants on the road over your social life The civil rights movement was not concerned with animal welfare. Individually sure they may have been vegan or vegetarian or just animal-conscious members but the message behind the movement had nothing to do with that. Whereas for veganism, it is at the very core.
It's really nice to see a non vegan top athlete explain so well why to go vegan (even better explained than most vegans). This alone makes me want to subscribe to the channel
Always good to see someone like Dr Mike be publically open to veganism. Fitness world is obsessed with animal protein, good to have some acceptance from A list influencers
@@gruenwalski8821 thats nature, what you're doing is denying our nature. We have high acid stomach, short digestion tract designed to eat meat. You go ahead and eat your plants, but i need meat in my diet
@@Cenot4ph it's not about choice, it's about being tolerant to other viewpoints :) the problem in the fitness community is not that there are vegans everywhere forcing you to eat plants. It's far more tilted toward animal protein than the rest of society. So it already is a bubble. And as soon as somebody suggests plants are fine, there's the animal-protein armies saying plants are bad, people should eat animals, etc. The problem isn't loud vegans, it's the loud anti-vegans who claim victimhood when they're actually the large majority 🤷♀️ Dr Mike is also not saying thou shalt not eat meat/eggs, but we could all do with some more plants for ethics reasons. What you do with that is up to you, I'm just happy that that view is professed, instead of everything always being only about animal protein.
Thanks for being fair. On the health front, I'd argue that the shortcomings of veganism are easily fixed with a few supplements, whereas things like a lower cardiac risk are not easily replicated. It's not a miracle cure though, absolutely. In the end I just felt like every issue I researched was converging on the same thing: eat more whole plants
I was vegan for so many years and gained weight and lost teeth. I started eating a high protein diet of eggs , fish, cottage cheese, greek yogurt and im losing weight like crazy and I'm barely snacking because im more satiated. I never liked red meat and pork as a child, but i do plan on adding chicken and turkey.
I was a vegetarian for ethical reasons -(the Foot and Mouth scandal in the UK made me too angry to ever give the meat industry any of my money ever again), but have gone vegan recently for financial issues. For the same money, I can buy SO much more beans and pulses than I can dairy products. Yes, I miss eggs, or cheese on toast, but the amount of fiber I'm consuming atm is off the charts and I'm saving money 😂
Not for me. I'm broke af and live on frozen pizza. Its the perfect meal. For £1, I can get a meal that will keep me full for almost an entire day, is very convenient, and tastes decent. Nothing of better value in the entire store.
@@keifer7813 yep, it can be incredibly hard to eat decently if you're broke to begin with, particularly if you don't live near a decent-size store or have greengrocers near you. I used to live almost exclusively on things like beans on toast for a while, because I just couldn't afford anything better (fortunately, baked beans are surprisingly nutritious, once you get past all the salt and sugar). I now bulk-buy lentils from a local Asian market I found near me, and make curries in a slow cooker whenever I remember, and just eat canned stuff when I don't, but the principle is the same: cheap, easy, filling.
@@keifer7813not sure how that works out. What pizza are you buying for 1$, how many calories is it. You can get canned beans and pasta dirt cheap, can't believe you can beat that with frozen pizza. I've lived in 1$ per meal, but beans were bought in bulk.
@@purpleblueunicorn Pepperoni pizza. It's 800 calories. My appetite has gotten smaller so it lasts me a while. And yeah I can get pasta for cheaper but it's not as much bang for my buck when I add in the cost for sauce. Canned beans could be, but they're awful, especially on their own. I do recall though that there's regular cheese and tomato pizza for the same price. I could get that instead of pepperoni in the meantime
@@keifer7813 This is crazy cheap, so you're getting £1 800 calories pepperoni pizza? And you need to eat 2-3 a day? Must be awful healthwise. You could beat this by adding potatoes which has plenty of nutrients and 800 calories is about 1 kg which I'm sure you can also find around £1.
That’s being a bit pedantic. Yes, veganism is an ethical stance. But we also refer to it as adherence to a diet with no animal products. That style of eating is not the same as plant-based. Some people do eat a vegan diet (not merely plant-based) for health reasons - see the UA-cam channel of Dr. Peter Rogers.
@@MichaelHplusCan you explain how someone eats a vegan (and not plant-based) for health? Some people do go plant-based for health, but no one is avoiding leather belts and animal-tested shampoo for health reasons.
@@chipsneak1348 Plant-based diet means you eat predominantly from plants. A vegan diet is no animal foods. Some people eating a certain type of vegan diet, such as low fat vegan, do so for health reasons.
@@MichaelHplus that is incorrect. A plant-based and vegan diet are the same, it’s just that vegan extends beyond food. You can’t be ‘vegan’ for health reasons, but you can eat a plant-based diet for it.
@@chipsneak1348 You are incorrect. Here is Wikipedia, but feel free to look at any number of sources: “A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods. Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.” Vegan is not just an ethical belief. Why do you think foods are labeled “vegan”? A “vegan diet,” depending on context, may have nothing to do with ethics.
I would disagree with health not being a good enough argument. I agree that ethis is thee BEST argument. I'm really gonna need to see your justifications here.
@@sphumelelesijadu Heme iron is probably the best example, it is possible to get equivalent iron intake without meat but it requires more effort in quantity and choice of foods
Love this video! I'm vegan myself and the reason I eat healthier now isn't because I don't eat animal products, it's because I actually check what I eat for nutrients. When I was an omnivore I just ate, no thought about anything. Now I've educated myself a bit about what foods to eat for which nutrients etc. I mostly do veganism for ethical reasons like not killing/abusing animals, less impact on the environment and lower antibiotic resistance. The health aspect is just another plus that has come from actually thinking about my meals now.
Animals like bugs, lizards, and mice are still killed and/or lose their homes to fields of plants like soybeans. Cows can share a field with the animals that are “pests” to plants/vegetables. Maybe you’d rather kill those kinds of animals because cows are smarter, but don’t deceive yourself into thinking “no animals were harmed in the production of my store bought vegan food”
Completely agree with you. I find that most people who think that a specific diet gave them huge health benefits and start advocating for everyone to follow it, while the reason is usually that they just started caring about the nutritional value of what they eat. You can be omnivore and be perfectly healthy if you just eat the right things in the right amount.
Veganism is an ethical stance. It’s all or nothing. I know I’m splitting hairs maybe but you can’t go a bit vegan and it’s not just a diet, it’s rejecting all animal exploitation, leather , cosmetics tested on animals, domestication of wild animals and selective breeding etc. Plant based eating, going plant based that’s just about diet. Veganism is more than a diet.
@@robk5745 I fail to see how you have misunderstood what I wrote. Yes it would make a huge change the more people who go vegan the better. What I’m saying is that eating a plant based diet alone is not veganism. It’d be good if more people went plant based yes. Far better if those people also became vegan. Some people switch to plants for health. That’s good but veganism is more than that. It’s rejecting all animal exploitation, that includes animal testing, animal products like leather etc. was it the bit about pets? Was that what you don’t agree with? Vegans should be against the domestication , selective breeding of animals too. Lots of vegans seem to forget that one.
@@robk5745you still wouldn't be vegan tho. just plant based, that's his point. it would still help to some degree, but it's still not vegan. that's called flexitarian.
as a vegan whos into fitness. this is why i like Dr Mike. he's the only non vegan influencer in a sea of vegan hating fitness influencers. he's potentially doing more good for veganism, despite not being vegan, just by having a positive look on it and not bashing it. i knkw you're not bull shitting about veganism, that makes me trust you more on other topics.
for vegans it isn't just about what they eat. it's about being against animal cruelty. unfortunately for the animals, that involves our diet alot. vegans are also against wearing animals, zoos, pets and animal testing. it's not just diet.
I remember working next to a hard core vegan. She told me how great it is, ethical, etc. Unfortunately, it became obvious fairly quickly that there was a few screws loose. I wish I was kidding. She had energy but something wasn't right and I don't think she ever mentioned the downsides that should be compensated with supplements. In fact, IIRC she was pretty proud that she didn't need them. Thanks for educating people in your hour long video. I definitely considered it when I was younger and I probably would've hurt my health pretty badly if I did it without the right information. Thanks!
I've been vegan for over 15 years. No downside healthwise at all as long as you educate yourself on proper vegan nutrition. I'm 40, have zero health problems and take no medication.
I am vegan for 12 and I did end up with health problems in my 40’s. It was annoying, but I always knew any of us could still get sick even if we were pbv, despite what we heard or read. But I still feel better physically not consuming animals and my bloodwork looks good. Plus I’m not contributing to harming adorable innocent animals. But it sucked that I got sick, that was disappointing. But we have to remember the environment we live is so darn polluted too. So there’s that and perhaps we have to counter in genetics. Best 🌱
The boundless ignorance and childish imbecility of your average vegan never stops to impress. Luv, I have been smoking for longer than that,and I SEEM to be completely normal. Is smoking good for your health? It seems veganism has addled your mind.
The health arguments are mostly sound, I don’t know which ones specifically you’re referring to but its false to call it all nonsense. We have the big prospective contort studies already comparing vegans and non vegans and vegans do well for the most part, sometimes better.
Nonsense apart from the overwhelming science behind a Wholefood plant based diet being the healthiest. Vegan isn’t a diet, its purely about ethics as it covers much more than just diet
@@Gazzaroo and who sponsors those studies? Whole food diets are healthy. Full stop. Whether they are plant based or include meat is irrelevant. Meat eaters tend to also eat more heavily processed foods which skew results. Nothing even remotely unhealthy about eating lean, unprocessed meats.
@@cynicalidealist11 but the primary reason vegans and vegetarians tend to be healthier than meat eaters isn't to do with the meat at all. Its to do with the fact they are actually giving some consideration of what they put in their mouths. Meat eaters tend to eat more heavily processed foods (general garbage) than vegans and vegetarians, who tend to eat more whole foods. Doesn't mean meat is unhealthy at all. Just means vegans on average have healthier habits.
@@Tomstaman the dodgy studies are funded by meat and dairy lobby who are like the tobacco industry. Processed is more unhealthy but all types of meat and dairy are unhealthy. It is illegal for the egg industry to advertise eggs as healthy as the science says otherwise. On public record. Just one example. Look at nutrition facts for the mountain of supporting evidence
I went vegan years ago for ethical reasons. The positive changes to my blood work was just a happy side-effect. But I eat a rounded balanced diet, not just Pringles and hummus.
Yeah, even if being vegan was considerably healthier I don't think that's a compelling reason to be 100% vegan. Like for example junk food is not good for you but if you eat it like once a year it's not gonna have a measurable impact on your health. However if you think eating animals is ethically wrong like I do (if you have a reasonable choice to abstain from eating them) then that is a compelling reason to 100% swear of them because it's still wrong to eat animals even if it's once a year.
but you still need to make the health argument. because people wouldn't switch if veganism was worse than meat eating. it has to be atleast equal for people to change.
He's completely right. Veganism is for ethics. There are health arguments if you are increasing whole foods plant based intake, but if you are just going vegan, you do it for ethics. Ethics as a backing will keep you mentally tough in situations that aren't perfectly convenient. Oreos are vegan. Soda is vegan. Vegan donuts are vegan. As are healthy fruits, nuts, and vegetables.
@@ab-td7gq you just said eat? You get nutrients from eating. Meat is enjoyable because God designed it that way. He gave us the animals to eat. So, yes. If you raise the animal and slaughter it for consumption, it is ethical. Are you seriously saying it's unethical to raise an animal to eat?!
I think we eat far more meat than we need to, even accounting for increased protein needs of exercise. That being said, I also don't think eliminating entire food groups from your diet is healthy unless you have a particular allergy/digestive difficulty.
@A Mix Of Geek Content Yep. I don't eat junk food though and eating beans and legumes is a lot cheaper than meat for protein. I'm not fully vegan though. I like eggs too much.
@@Andrew-it7fbGetting the same amount of protein from veganism is more expensive than getting the same amount of protein from meat. If we compare black beans to chicken breasts, black beans are 2.8 cents per gram of protein, while chicken breasts cost 1.6 cents per gram of protein. You also need to factor in the fact that animal based protein has an absorption efficiency of about 97% in your GI tract. Plant based proteins can be as low as 70%.
This is true, because veganism isn’t a diet. It’s an ethical belief that extends to your diet, along with the clothes you wear and cleaning products you buy amongst other things. You can be unhealthy as a vegan, you can be healthy as a vegan.
....Unless of course you are trying to prevent heart disease and cancer, in which case going vegan will dramatically reduce the risk. But there’s a distinction between eating plant based and being vegan, which is for the animals by definition.
It may reduce the risk of cancer, but it doesn’t prevent cancer. As I got cancer anyway, which shocked us. But my heart is strong, my bloodwork is good as per my numbers and doc. But I did still end up with cancer. I never thought it wasn’t possible but I just didn’t think I would get it in my 40’s. I’m still vegan though and I try to eat as healthy as I can and stay fit. Also I prefer not to eat cute animals. But I don’t believe being vegan pb or keto or whatever other fad diet out there prevents cancers unfortunately. Best 🌱
Veganism is always fully ethical, everything else is just an argument for a plant based diet, which also has many advantages but it's not the same thing as veganism. Personally I don't think there's any excuse to not be vegan in a modern civilisation as the food is cheap and easily accessible, at the very least can match the dietary quality and taste enjoyment, and is ethically superior to an omnivorous diet
I am someone with more of an educational background in nutrition than yourself. I’ve been fully plant-based for 5 years. I recently completed a 100-mile ultramarathon and I strict press 225lbs at 170lbs with no layback. I’d be happy to point out some basic points why plant-based is indeed superior to non plant-based for health. Surprised you didn’t concede there.
1.3x bench is nothing to brag about unless you're like 80 years-old. and marathon running is just for people that hate themselves and like to suffer for no reason or benefit. wouldn't be surprised if most of them are vegan, same mindset.
Dr Mike as usual is right on. Many vegans get healthy because they were eating like 💩 before they went vegan. After they went vegan they watched what they ate. That’s what helped get them healthier not the fact they stopped eating meat. In most cases (not all)the human body is designed to operate optimally with nutrients from a blend of animals and plants. Not just one but both. Sorry to the militant vegans and carnivores out there but it limiting yourself to just one form of nutrition isn’t healthy. That’s just the facts.
This is quite on the money, but having said that. A full meat, egg, dairy diet has all the nutrient requirements you need to live healthy and well. There's just a truck load of propaganda out there and for some time now, that meat is supposedly not good for you. This is what a lot of people will believe. Either that, or they take the moral high ground.
A vegan diet isn't necessarily limited, I eat from five food groups: beans, whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts/seeds. Your definition of limited nutrition is vague.
The environmental aspect of it is for me as strong - if not stronger - than the direct ethics of consuming, say, a steak. And the environmental argument ties into species extinction, biodiversity & habitat loss etc so ties back into the ethics. Not that it really changes the point but “vegan” and plant based” are not the same thing definitionally.
A whole food plant-based diet has been shown many times to be one of the healthiest in many aspects including cv health. It has loads of epidemiological data and RCTs behind it. Saying that you shouldn't go vegan for health because it doesn't guarantee better health is like saying you shouldn't use medicines because they don't guarantee to cure/reduce symptoms of your illness. It's a dumb argument.
That’s not what Mike said though he said a vegan diet doesn’t guarantee better health. The difference being the “whole food” part. I’ve known some vegan people who basically live off vegan eggos and other junk. They were not healthier than I was consuming a primarily whole food diet(at the time). Essentially a choice to lead a vegan diet or lifestyle doesn’t inherently make you healthier. You still need to choose food that nourishes your body adequately.
@@Thomas-zt7dmAnd I also said that a vegan diet doesn't guarantee health, just as medicines don't. Mike said, "But it SHOULDN'T be for your health because veganism isn't a guarantee of health..." So that is literally what Mike said. Even assuming he meant what you said, that still doesn't make any sense. Yes, a vegan diet can be unhealthy, just as any other diet can. You have to design your vegan diet correctly to ensure that it is as healthy as possible/as healthy as you want. That is why I added "whole food" in my first comment. But just because you can make an unhealthy vegan diet doesn't mean that you should never go vegan for health reasons. If you for example have high apoB, changing to a healthy vegan whole food plant-based diet is a great choice. Just because you could eat vegan junk food all day doesn't mean that veganism as a whole is not a good lifestyle change for health. It's almost as if Mike assumes everyone that goes vegan will eat junk food lol. Just as you can abuse medications/design your treatment improperly you can do the same with a vegan diet. That doesn't mean medicines or veganism should never be considered for health reasons.
@@1000mgTren I may have misunderstood you then sorry. I thought when you were saying it’s dumb because you were saying that it will automatically increase your relative health.
Read "how not to die. Plant based diet and less meat is by faaar the healthier choice if you look at statistics. Especially if you cant buy good quality meat which is often freaking expensive, at least where I live.
@@hemipenes it is not about believing it is about reading the science. I am not talking about a vegan diet but a diet mostly based on plants (veggies, legumes, fruits, berries, whole grains). Go read the book and come back to me. So far it has the most evidence for being the most healthy diet with the least risk of different types of cancer and other diseases. Ofc there are downsides like having to eat B12 supplement but other than that it is statistically the best way to eat. People with auto immune diseases might not be able to but data just shows again and again that people are healthier when eating mostly plants. Cheers
Ethics is one piece, to me; environmental impact is a much bigger piece. Even ignoring the multitude of cascading effects, you can just look at the simple math; you get about 3% of the energy back (on average) from the energy you provide to an animal. Plants are closer to 90%. And before some genius comes in here with the logical fallacies regarding soy farming: the vast majority of soy goes towards animal feed, doofus. Not eating animal products is by far the easiest way to reduce your impact overall, and I’d agree that the most realistic middle ground is probably for the majority of the population to simply reduce intake as much as possible rather than go full vegan.
To add to your point, its not possible for the entire planet to eat grass fed animals. Its much more efficient to feed the planet by feeding our animals soy or farm feed we produce (which is still way less efficient than just eating plants). There is one environment friendly way to eat animals (although its still not enough for the entire planet to eat), i.e. hunting and eating invasive species. They don't do anything good for the ecology in your area, and making their population go down is probably a net positive on the environment.
@@Tjcace510 Again, if you were actually worried about it, you would be doing more than just typing out virtue signals on the internet. You wouldn't even be using the internet knowing the carbon foot print it creates all over the world.
In our modern world, where all of the meats and seafoods are contaminated with toxins and/or pharmaceuticals. Eating a whole-foods, plant-based diet is the most optimal choice
Veganism IS an ethical stance ONLY. The whole food plant based diet, however, is an extremely healthy way to eat as long as one ensures that they are eating a wide variety of plant foods including nuts, seeds, and legumes.
Well the thing is on a vegan diet the weight just falls off and my joints hurt less. I have no clue if I have a meat intolerance or something, but it works shrug
And where do you put them after you freed all of them? It is pretty evident that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m all for a reduction in meat consumption but this comment is just an uneducated statement.
If You're interested in veganism You should approach it as a philosophy, whose primary axiom entails certain ethics. I also highly recommend picking up gardening as a skill if you choose to do so.
@greattribulation1388 what is debunked? That saturated fat in excess leads to heart disease and is hard on the cardiovascular system? No, that is still sound science supported by the Cleveland clinic, every cardiology association on earth.. I'm not a vegan, but I also am not dogmatic about nutrition. You can't overdo one macronutrient without consequences. And one sure fire way of reducing your overall fat intake, since it's so easy to overdo, is cut back on animal products, oil, butter, and cheese. It's not rocket science. It's nutrition science, and if you don't believe it, ask yourself what's more likely, if the overwhelming evidence is untrue, and all the scientists are wrong, or do you just like hearing good news about your bad habits
When you have a bread, countless mice and other critters were churned by the farmer equipment when they do farming. When a pasture raIsed cow has lived it's life, how many mice has it stepped on?
Studies show very few animals die when crops are harvested and the majority of those crops are fed to livestock. Many humans die on the job producing your food though, from slaughterhouse workers decapitated to road accidents to fishermen drowning are you taking responsibility for those deaths?
:3 Well, by far, plant-based/vegan is the healthiest for humans according to record-breaking athletes, the longest living tribes, human biology, human anatomy, and the largest health study. Vegan.
i eat a vegan diet because its easier to pick up an animal's vibes than a plant's vibes because we are already animals anyway so i dont want another animal's vibes messing up my animal vibes ya feel? that being said i think plants also have a right to vibe so you cant necessarily claim ethical high ground because no one knows the subjective experience of being a plant. so to recap, not for ethical reasons, but for vibeological reasons
You can also argue that eating plants directly instead of through animals (a massive inefficiency) decreases overall plant death on your hands by quite a way👍
Yah you can't discount the deeply researched aspects of vibeology. What are the exact measurements of your vibes versus the exact measurements of the vibes of the animals you are worried about? Also how do your vibes in a mechanical way impact your body and how does the dead meat hold onto its vibes and how do those same vibes transfer to you? So fascinating! 😄
Plants don’t want to be eaten, that’s why they have thorns and poisons. It’s only because we domesticated them, that nuts like almonds became edible and not poison, so there really isn’t ethical reasons
I like most of his content but disagree with some of his points. There's a reason why it's the "heart attack proof diet". Plant Pure Nation is pretty much the best response to this. Two doctors traveled the country, made meals for those willing to eat nothing but plant based foods, and took their blood work before and after. The results were remarkable.
No, and I don't think dr mike agrees with you... Vegan diets CAN BE very healthy... No need to add meat... Infact the science is pretty clear that adding meat (apart from fish) to a diet makes the diet more unhealthy. Mike's point is that, if all you care about is health, why cut out fish or the occasional other animal product.
@Rupert here's another one wirh the science, have you actually looked at it? If you did you wouldn't be saying this. Time people educate themselves on the latest and stop repeating the same old same old. Take a moment and do just that
@@Cenot4ph i have yeah 😅 but hey, instead of us arguing about what the science says; mike has a full video on vegan diets where he says that vegan diets CAN BE "super healthy". so i guess mike needs to "educate himself" some more, eh?
@Rupert ummm, no, meat is literally part of our natural diet and provides nutrients that cannot be found without artificial supplements. I don't know what "science" you pulled that from, there's biased reseach everywhere but the most undeniable scientific fact is that Humans are omnivores, hence a diet of Meats and Vegetables are our natural and healthy fiet
There is no ethical reason to go vegan that stacks up to the fundamental reality of the world given that mono crop agriculture is an environmental disaster. 70% of the world's farmland is non arable therefore crops can't grow but grazing animals can. The often touted "80% of crops go to animals" is also propaganda firstly because crops are not a requirement for beef production as they can simply graze on non arable land. But because mono crop agriculture causes a huge amount of plant based waste products that are efficiently upcycled as animal feed yet that waste makes it into the deliberately misleading "70% of crops go to animal feed". This figure is one that goes in favour of animal farming not against when taken in the appropriate context. When all is said and done the overall animal cruelty, environmental destruction and emissions would only increase if we all went vegan. Clearly a symbiotic mixture of both kinds of farming are what is required especially as ruminant grazing is one of the only way to regenerate topsoil destroyed by crop farming.
I went vegetarian for the planet, then vegan for the animals. As soon as I learned that animal products weren’t necessary for health, I ditched them completely. I'm healthier now than when I ate meat, because my knowledge of health, environment and ethics developed in tandem.
You could make an argument that it isn’t, however it doesn’t change that it is more ethical than other forms of consumption. That being said it doesn’t make you a terrible person if you eat meat
@@Novenae_CCG Less animal suffering? Are you growing your food in your backyard? Because industrial farming actually kills more animals than the meat industry. Those giant tractors that harvest the crops rip and grind through the rabbits, coyotes, badgers, snakes, mice, gophers, and rats that live in those fields of crops. That's not even considering the bugs that are killed off and the birds that die off too. You are completely delusional. Edit: Spelling mistakes
I'm allergic to red meat, and fish. I'm involuntary forced to be 95 percent vegan I also can't eat wheat, soy, eggs, milk, rice, barley, tree nuts, and oats
I choose to have a carnivore diet, because, I love plants more than animals. And I feel bad for the plants that are eaten by animals. Animals eat more plants than humans, therefore, I feel, the best approach is, to eat animals who eat plants. This is the reason, due to which, I eat herbivorous animals only, I don't eat carnivorus animals.
I hate myself for not being vegan. I love animals but yet I still eat chicken ,steak etc. I need to get more self control so I can stop this madness. This new year I'm going to try again,I have tried a couple times and I always break. After I eat meat I feel guilty if I start thinking about. I do believe governments have force fed humans from birth to eat meat and I think that's also wrong and needs to stop.
I'm vegan for over 10 years now and I'm at a point where I just want "lab grown" (clean) meat (and other animal products) to become a common thing. Not because I miss animal products but because then we can all just eat the same stuff again and move on...
If you think it is “unethical” to kill animals for nourishment, anyone who farms knows how many animals are killed all in protection of crops, and not for a purpose or humanely. Among many other reasons, the “ethical” argument for veganism falls short by its own standards.
That's a terrible argument. And I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced breeding of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await slaughter by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
That's a terrible argument. And I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced breeding of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await death by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced creation of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await $laughter by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
it is possible(although not currently) to harvest crops without killing any animal. on the other hand it is impossible to obtain meat without killing somebody. I am not vegan but I would imagine that the intent of killing animals is immoral to them, while with farming they hope they can improve their practices to kill less and less animals.
As a vegan, I’m going to say I did not go vegan for the love of animals or saving animals or protect protecting animals. I’m not a fan of murdering animals or mass annihilation of animals. I would rather not kill an animal. I don’t even like to run over animals accidentally and avoid them like the plague, but that’s not why I’m a vegan. I’m a vegan because I wanna be healthy. I want my heart to be healthy. I want my body to be healthy I don’t wanna be full of toxins. I don’t wanna eat chemicals and I sure enough don’t wanna put all of the horrible things in my body that they put inside of food nowadays. Whether it’s for ethical reasons or not, I think that you should be treating your body like a temple, and you are what you eat, and we should protect our bodies and take care of our bodies not murdering. Animals is a bonus.
Veganism is only about animal rights. The plant based diet, which is what you're on if you are vegan, can be healthier but also less healthy. It can be better for the environment, but also worse. It in itself doesn't change anything. You can keeping to Burger King and eat shit, or you can eat whole food plant based. I'd even argue that someone who is living a plant based lifestyle for health or the environment and not for animals isn't vegan -> definition of veganism
Veganism isn't something you try out, it's about the animals, a lifestyle. It can be a very healthy diet but that's up to you. If you say you tried to be vegan and failed, you didn't get the concept in the first place.
Vegan maybe but plant-based is completely different and about 99% of it is for health the other 1% is for ethics because at the end of the day the animals are getting done dirty regardless I care more about human right than animal rights
Bruh consider the other beings in the world, ethics is not what brings you pleasure its whats right to do- in everyones interests. Sensory pleasure is not a way to justify unecessary suffering and killing
@@joshuakenny503 I literally said I wouldn’t cut out meat and animal products for ethical reasons. So I don’t understand the argument about ethics not being about pleasure. Speaking of things that aren’t just for pleasure, there are a lot of other valid reasons I eat meat and animal products. And yes I do consider other beings in this world. Which is why I believe in ethical farming and proper treatment of the animals. I just don’t think straight up cutting out animal products and meat in my own life is necessary or even helpful. I get my comment didn’t make my position on these things entirely clear. Hope I could clarify.
@@capyboi-776 fair enough on most counts, I do respect your overall views but I would like to know how you have animals killed 'properly'. I think your apparent care for animals would fit quite well with being vegan no? What makes non-human animals so lowly that you (or anyone) has a right to eat their flesh and pay for their significantly premature deaths? To me, it seems a severe rights violation
@@capyboi-776 and 'ethical farming' is an interesting one- if you're fattening animals up for a premature death I don't think any level of pleasantness in their life can make up for that ultimate violation of their right to life
@@joshuakenny503 I mean if a lion kills and eats a cow, is that a rights violation? And I know you hold humans to a higher moral standards, so do I, but just like lions eating other animals is necessary, I think humans eating animals is necessary. Not for all individuals, but for humanity in general as a whole. As to how you properly kill an animal, you give them a good life, and turn them into a good dish. Animals definitely have the right not to be turned into chicken nuggets from McDonalds.
That’s not true, I went vegan for some time (now regular mixed eating) and I can say from my experience my cardio vascular strength endurance is rubbish eating a meat/dairy based diet, my cardio performance and recovery was so good and coming back to a mixed diet I feel the tension in my chest/lungs… in terms of health the discussion is much more nuanced such as how well does your body make level 2 nutrients such as epa/dha creatine etc then what are u consuming, whole foods only? UPF? It’s important how to process grains correctly such as sprouting soaking and cooking methods to reduce carcinogens… relying on data or science to figure this out your gonna be waiting a few lifetimes
@@ifuego Over and over again research shows us that eating a plant based diet is the best way to reduce our impact on the environment as individuals. Way more insects and other animals die in the process for making animal feed.
Most rational take on veganism I’ve ever seen on the internet.
The number of internet people who are anti-vegan these days is hilarious.
Most rational comment I’ve ever read on the internet. 🛜
Absolutely. My thoughts exactly. If you hear this from a vegan, they probably aren't completely smug about being vegan.
@@dasmegacoolmost rational comment on a comment Ive ever read on the internet
Dude, it's crazy. I've been vegan for almost 7 years, and I just avoid the topic unless I'm forced to say something like I can't have this work lunch at x location because I am vegan or don't eat meat.
Idk how many times that has prompted someone to say something about hating veganz, and how vegans are annoying or always preaching.
I'm just like okay 😐 We're not on the Internet rn
84% of vegans go back to meat! Why? Usually health issues.
It’s so refreshing to see a non-vegan top notch male fitness authority speak kindly of veganism. Because it’s super freaking rare. Been vegan 5 years for ethical reasons. No animals harmed in the making of these 💪
You do realize that vegan food from monocrop agriculture kills alot of animals? Like billions of insects and other small animals are affected annually on a global scale.
So when you say "no animals" you're basically just talking about cows, pigs and chickens.
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I’m not sure man. Ethically speaking, being vegan (as well as non-vegan) comes at an opportunity cost as does existence of any life form. The fact we must farm is at the opportunity cost of habitat that the farm must destroy. The opportunity cost of non farmed food is that wildlife cannot consume that food. That is without the human labour, environmental strains and energy required to produce sufficient vegan food for a population even being considered.
@@zeesthoughts6116 Farming damage could be greatly lessened if we didn't have to feed our food. The land needed to feed just humans is way less than what we currently have to feed the millions of cows and pigs.
@@mitchellfrank16 I think you’ll find that to be a bit hyperbolic in my view. Farming attempts to reduce energy loss drastically which means the energy transferred from plants to cows to humans is efficient. It’s the entire point of farming for profit. As such, farming vegan food instead of animals would require the same land at a minimum plus the land needed to refine and process the produce.
As a long term vegan athlete, my take is if you "go vegan", like any diet, research your food choices... being vegan does not guarantee healthy choices, and in fact most vegans I know eat more processed, packaged foods than my nonvegan friends. I actually rarely encourage anybody to be vegan, because most people are too lazy to figure out how to make healthy plant based choices. Less meat, great! More veggies, great! Dr Mike is on point.
So you missed the point of the viseo that your friends should go vegan for ethics not for health 😂.. great!..
@@CyJifianzero comprehension skills retard
What? They literally just repeated the reasoning of the video. Eat less meat if you want to not for your health @@CyJifian
Less meat is great? Hell nah, more meat is great, there is a lot more choices that are tastier , more healthy and have better mico and macro nutrients in them, than your fake ones that are plant based. Why are u rewiring his words, going veganism is solely to be more "ethical", because u don't want to kill animals and shit right? How can u go vegan to gain more health when it's not even good for health, I don't understand why would people go to such extents of lying about themselves and other things
Yes finding healthy plant based diet is hard. Because it is non existent.
He forgot to say that there is a difference in health outcomes when it comes to “veganism” and “whole foods plant based” which is a majority of calories coming from whole plant foods in variety, which WILL DEFINITELY increase your health if you do it right.
No
No, veganism is solely "ethical" so that u have less choices, pay more and we get more meat for us and people that want the healthier choices, as most types of meat have more proteins, has better, more complex proteins, better fats, more and better micro nutrients, vitamins as well, oh and yes less calories. It's also less easy to overeat meat, beside meat being tasty, it's very sattiating. Plants based foods are most often rich shit in calories, use a lot of oils, have bad macro and micro nutrients in them, in America it's probably even worse because of your food regulations, oh and overall. Eating fake meat isn't healthy, as well as that variery of plant based food calories isn't so healthy, because it's not only veggies that u get inside. Eating meat, veggies, all the f'ks u want in the world while maintaining a balanced diet with all the needed micronutrients, fiber, vitamins ans shit is just better. So keep on being vegan, as i don't discriminate, if u want to say or write that im "against vegan people", or im a "veganphobic" ( a person irrationally scared of veganism), then u should check if u're not lying to yourself, because i state facts, lmao.😂
Yes
Yeah, the avoidance of trans fat, saturated fat and cholesterol combined with increased whole grain, legume, fruit and vegetables intake from eating a WFPB diet is 100 percent going to lead to better health incomes. This isn’t even debatable.
@@adamrozek5782 you don't know any nutrition.
It's not a guarantee of health, and neither is any diet. But you can thrive and be extremely fit healthy on a vegan diet, including building muscle.
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You can never be healthy on a vegan diet lmao
@@marcineq2k why's that?
@@drpancake4103 How is malnutrition healthy for you?
@@marcineq2k malnutrition isn't healthy for you. How are you linking that to a vegan diet.
Name the nutrient you can't get in healthy quantities on a vegan diet, maybe I'll understand you're getting at.
I was vegan for 8 years and been vegetarian for 2, is nice to see a fair and non hostile view for veganism for once. 99% of the time its just pure hate and mockery
rightfully so. veganism is an anti-human ideology promoting a form of anorexia.
let me guess, you went vegetarian because veganism was destitute and your health was failing? (not that vegetarian is much better, but at least you're getting some real food now)
What made you decide to invite animal rights again?
I went vegan primarily for health reasons before realizing the ethical impact of not eating animals. On my health journey, I began eating more and more plant based foods, realizing these foods are full of antioxidants and phytonutrients. Also, one of the main premises of being vegan in my opinion is eating foods which are alive and come straight from the earth.
There’s actually A LOT of plant based protein sources that make it not too hard to get your protein needs met. 1 cup of lentils =50-60g of protein. Certain Nuts and seeds are loaded with protein such as hemp seeds, peanuts, pumpkin seeds, cashews, almonds, etc. then you got legumes such as various types of beans and soy products like tempeh and tofu. Also gluten as well unless you’re gluten sensitive. I haven’t even listed all the protein sources however.
A lot of these protein sources are high in fiber as well, which helps in assimilating the food in the body and flush out unnecessary toxins.
As a vegan, veganism is an ethical obligation, not a diet. As a result, vegans also don’t buy leather, go to zoos, etc..
That being said, most people will probably be healthier if they are vegan. This is not because veganism is necessarily more healthy, but most people don’t know anything about nutrition so in general veganism will reduce sodium / saturated fat / cholesterol intake and will make you healthier.
Who decides what a vegan does and doesn't do?
@@keifer7813 common sense? Anything that involves the avoidable and unnecessary exploitation of animals. For example, no this does not include not driving because you might run over ants because that is unavoidable. It does not include not eating plants because that is unavoidable
@@stevencats7137 Well I live in London where most people don't really need a car to get around. So if I drive even when I don't have to, would it be wrong as a vegan? Similarly, if I take a bus when I don't have to, i.e to meet friends on the weekend, would it be wrong as a vegan? Should I either walk a couple hours back and forth or perhaps just never see my friends?
Curious to hear your responses
@@keifer7813 no because thats also not really avoidable. Not seeing your friends is not a realistic way to improve the earth and that falls outside of your control.
But I also think those things go past what veganism is (about animals) but are also things all vegans agree with (climate action). In other words, even though veganism is about animals, I’m sure all vegans also agree we should all try to drive less, fly less, walk more, thrift, etc etc. But buying new clothes or driving isn’t inherently anti vegan.
Veganism is about animals but the core principle is about improving the world in general, so any way to do that we strive to do. It’s like how a black rights activist’s main focus is racism, but surely they also think we should drive less and thrift and not hurt animals
@@stevencats7137 I was under the impression that veganism is about causing the least amount of harm possible onto other sentient beings. Not "as much as is convenient to my lifestyle".
Not seeing friends is absolutely avoidable. You don't need to see them to survive. Yeah it's not great to be lonely but I would imagine you should prioritise the life of ants on the road over your social life
The civil rights movement was not concerned with animal welfare. Individually sure they may have been vegan or vegetarian or just animal-conscious members but the message behind the movement had nothing to do with that. Whereas for veganism, it is at the very core.
It's really nice to see a non vegan top athlete explain so well why to go vegan (even better explained than most vegans). This alone makes me want to subscribe to the channel
Always good to see someone like Dr Mike be publically open to veganism. Fitness world is obsessed with animal protein, good to have some acceptance from A list influencers
Absolutely
Because they're the best, simple. I don't get this obsession with plant eating and denying people their choice.
@@Cenot4ph it's not denying people a choice, it's about denying the animals the choice
@@gruenwalski8821 thats nature, what you're doing is denying our nature. We have high acid stomach, short digestion tract designed to eat meat. You go ahead and eat your plants, but i need meat in my diet
@@Cenot4ph it's not about choice, it's about being tolerant to other viewpoints :) the problem in the fitness community is not that there are vegans everywhere forcing you to eat plants. It's far more tilted toward animal protein than the rest of society. So it already is a bubble. And as soon as somebody suggests plants are fine, there's the animal-protein armies saying plants are bad, people should eat animals, etc. The problem isn't loud vegans, it's the loud anti-vegans who claim victimhood when they're actually the large majority 🤷♀️
Dr Mike is also not saying thou shalt not eat meat/eggs, but we could all do with some more plants for ethics reasons. What you do with that is up to you, I'm just happy that that view is professed, instead of everything always being only about animal protein.
Thanks for being fair. On the health front, I'd argue that the shortcomings of veganism are easily fixed with a few supplements, whereas things like a lower cardiac risk are not easily replicated. It's not a miracle cure though, absolutely. In the end I just felt like every issue I researched was converging on the same thing: eat more whole plants
I was vegan for so many years and gained weight and lost teeth. I started eating a high protein diet of eggs , fish, cottage cheese, greek yogurt and im losing weight like crazy and I'm barely snacking because im more satiated. I never liked red meat and pork as a child, but i do plan on adding chicken and turkey.
I was a vegetarian for ethical reasons -(the Foot and Mouth scandal in the UK made me too angry to ever give the meat industry any of my money ever again), but have gone vegan recently for financial issues.
For the same money, I can buy SO much more beans and pulses than I can dairy products. Yes, I miss eggs, or cheese on toast, but the amount of fiber I'm consuming atm is off the charts and I'm saving money 😂
Not for me. I'm broke af and live on frozen pizza. Its the perfect meal. For £1, I can get a meal that will keep me full for almost an entire day, is very convenient, and tastes decent. Nothing of better value in the entire store.
@@keifer7813 yep, it can be incredibly hard to eat decently if you're broke to begin with, particularly if you don't live near a decent-size store or have greengrocers near you.
I used to live almost exclusively on things like beans on toast for a while, because I just couldn't afford anything better (fortunately, baked beans are surprisingly nutritious, once you get past all the salt and sugar). I now bulk-buy lentils from a local Asian market I found near me, and make curries in a slow cooker whenever I remember, and just eat canned stuff when I don't, but the principle is the same: cheap, easy, filling.
@@keifer7813not sure how that works out. What pizza are you buying for 1$, how many calories is it. You can get canned beans and pasta dirt cheap, can't believe you can beat that with frozen pizza. I've lived in 1$ per meal, but beans were bought in bulk.
@@purpleblueunicorn Pepperoni pizza. It's 800 calories. My appetite has gotten smaller so it lasts me a while. And yeah I can get pasta for cheaper but it's not as much bang for my buck when I add in the cost for sauce. Canned beans could be, but they're awful, especially on their own. I do recall though that there's regular cheese and tomato pizza for the same price. I could get that instead of pepperoni in the meantime
@@keifer7813 This is crazy cheap, so you're getting £1 800 calories pepperoni pizza? And you need to eat 2-3 a day? Must be awful healthwise. You could beat this by adding potatoes which has plenty of nutrients and 800 calories is about 1 kg which I'm sure you can also find around £1.
Just to make it easy, no one is actually vegan for health. They might eat plant-based, but you don’t avoid leather shoes for health reasons 😂
That’s being a bit pedantic. Yes, veganism is an ethical stance. But we also refer to it as adherence to a diet with no animal products. That style of eating is not the same as plant-based. Some people do eat a vegan diet (not merely plant-based) for health reasons - see the UA-cam channel of Dr. Peter Rogers.
@@MichaelHplusCan you explain how someone eats a vegan (and not plant-based) for health?
Some people do go plant-based for health, but no one is avoiding leather belts and animal-tested shampoo for health reasons.
@@chipsneak1348 Plant-based diet means you eat predominantly from plants. A vegan diet is no animal foods. Some people eating a certain type of vegan diet, such as low fat vegan, do so for health reasons.
@@MichaelHplus that is incorrect. A plant-based and vegan diet are the same, it’s just that vegan extends beyond food. You can’t be ‘vegan’ for health reasons, but you can eat a plant-based diet for it.
@@chipsneak1348 You are incorrect. Here is Wikipedia, but feel free to look at any number of sources: “A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods. Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.”
Vegan is not just an ethical belief. Why do you think foods are labeled “vegan”? A “vegan diet,” depending on context, may have nothing to do with ethics.
I would disagree with health not being a good enough argument. I agree that ethis is thee BEST argument.
I'm really gonna need to see your justifications here.
ncbi is a great justification. just check any recent research and compare it to the balanced omnivore diet. obvious
Long story short it takes more effort to achieve equivalent nutrition
@@nyern what do you mean by more effort?
@@sphumelelesijadu Heme iron is probably the best example, it is possible to get equivalent iron intake without meat but it requires more effort in quantity and choice of foods
Love this video! I'm vegan myself and the reason I eat healthier now isn't because I don't eat animal products, it's because I actually check what I eat for nutrients. When I was an omnivore I just ate, no thought about anything. Now I've educated myself a bit about what foods to eat for which nutrients etc. I mostly do veganism for ethical reasons like not killing/abusing animals, less impact on the environment and lower antibiotic resistance. The health aspect is just another plus that has come from actually thinking about my meals now.
Animals like bugs, lizards, and mice are still killed and/or lose their homes to fields of plants like soybeans. Cows can share a field with the animals that are “pests” to plants/vegetables. Maybe you’d rather kill those kinds of animals because cows are smarter, but don’t deceive yourself into thinking “no animals were harmed in the production of my store bought vegan food”
Completely agree with you. I find that most people who think that a specific diet gave them huge health benefits and start advocating for everyone to follow it, while the reason is usually that they just started caring about the nutritional value of what they eat. You can be omnivore and be perfectly healthy if you just eat the right things in the right amount.
Veganism is an ethical stance. It’s all or nothing. I know I’m splitting hairs maybe but you can’t go a bit vegan and it’s not just a diet, it’s rejecting all animal exploitation, leather , cosmetics tested on animals, domestication of wild animals and selective breeding etc. Plant based eating, going plant based that’s just about diet. Veganism is more than a diet.
That’s not true, reducing your consumption of animals also makes a large impact if everyone were to do that it would be a big change.
@@robk5745 I fail to see how you have misunderstood what I wrote. Yes it would make a huge change the more people who go vegan the better. What I’m saying is that eating a plant based diet alone is not veganism. It’d be good if more people went plant based yes. Far better if those people also became vegan. Some people switch to plants for health. That’s good but veganism is more than that. It’s rejecting all animal exploitation, that includes animal testing, animal products like leather etc. was it the bit about pets? Was that what you don’t agree with? Vegans should be against the domestication , selective breeding of animals too. Lots of vegans seem to forget that one.
@@robk5745you still wouldn't be vegan tho. just plant based, that's his point.
it would still help to some degree, but it's still not vegan. that's called flexitarian.
"rejecting animal exploitation" 😂😂
you have no clue about monocropping, do you? it's easily the worst thing we do to animals and the environment.
@@uberneanderthal and most of those mono crops goes straight to animal feed. so really it's just a side effect of animal agriculture.
as a vegan whos into fitness. this is why i like Dr Mike. he's the only non vegan influencer in a sea of vegan hating fitness influencers. he's potentially doing more good for veganism, despite not being vegan, just by having a positive look on it and not bashing it.
i knkw you're not bull shitting about veganism, that makes me trust you more on other topics.
What you eat shouldn’t be a personality trait, goes for meat eaters and vegans.
for vegans it isn't just about what they eat. it's about being against animal cruelty. unfortunately for the animals, that involves our diet alot.
vegans are also against wearing animals, zoos, pets and animal testing. it's not just diet.
I remember working next to a hard core vegan. She told me how great it is, ethical, etc. Unfortunately, it became obvious fairly quickly that there was a few screws loose. I wish I was kidding. She had energy but something wasn't right and I don't think she ever mentioned the downsides that should be compensated with supplements. In fact, IIRC she was pretty proud that she didn't need them. Thanks for educating people in your hour long video. I definitely considered it when I was younger and I probably would've hurt my health pretty badly if I did it without the right information. Thanks!
I've been vegan for over 15 years. No downside healthwise at all as long as you educate yourself on proper vegan nutrition. I'm 40, have zero health problems and take no medication.
I am vegan for 12 and I did end up with health problems in my 40’s. It was annoying, but I always knew any of us could still get sick even if we were pbv, despite what we heard or read. But I still feel better physically not consuming animals and my bloodwork looks good. Plus I’m not contributing to harming adorable innocent animals. But it sucked that I got sick, that was disappointing. But we have to remember the environment we live is so darn polluted too. So there’s that and perhaps we have to counter in genetics. Best 🌱
@@user-bv7mk8id5twhat kind of sickness did you get?
There are definitely big downsides healthwise
The boundless ignorance and childish imbecility of your average vegan never stops to impress.
Luv, I have been smoking for longer than that,and I SEEM to be completely normal. Is smoking good for your health?
It seems veganism has addled your mind.
@@hemipenesPlease, feel free to share peer-reviewed work on these supposedly horrible outcomes of veganism. Would love to see it
I been vegan a few months and not having to eat animals actually helps keep me on it
Completely agree. The ethical argument I completely understand and respect. The health argument that gets pushed is nonsense
The health arguments are mostly sound, I don’t know which ones specifically you’re referring to but its false to call it all nonsense. We have the big prospective contort studies already comparing vegans and non vegans and vegans do well for the most part, sometimes better.
Nonsense apart from the overwhelming science behind a Wholefood plant based diet being the healthiest. Vegan isn’t a diet, its purely about ethics as it covers much more than just diet
@@Gazzaroo and who sponsors those studies? Whole food diets are healthy. Full stop. Whether they are plant based or include meat is irrelevant. Meat eaters tend to also eat more heavily processed foods which skew results. Nothing even remotely unhealthy about eating lean, unprocessed meats.
@@cynicalidealist11 but the primary reason vegans and vegetarians tend to be healthier than meat eaters isn't to do with the meat at all. Its to do with the fact they are actually giving some consideration of what they put in their mouths. Meat eaters tend to eat more heavily processed foods (general garbage) than vegans and vegetarians, who tend to eat more whole foods. Doesn't mean meat is unhealthy at all. Just means vegans on average have healthier habits.
@@Tomstaman the dodgy studies are funded by meat and dairy lobby who are like the tobacco industry. Processed is more unhealthy but all types of meat and dairy are unhealthy. It is illegal for the egg industry to advertise eggs as healthy as the science says otherwise. On public record. Just one example. Look at nutrition facts for the mountain of supporting evidence
I am vegan 7-8 years and i have much better health than before
I went vegan years ago for ethical reasons. The positive changes to my blood work was just a happy side-effect. But I eat a rounded balanced diet, not just Pringles and hummus.
Yeah, even if being vegan was considerably healthier I don't think that's a compelling reason to be 100% vegan. Like for example junk food is not good for you but if you eat it like once a year it's not gonna have a measurable impact on your health. However if you think eating animals is ethically wrong like I do (if you have a reasonable choice to abstain from eating them) then that is a compelling reason to 100% swear of them because it's still wrong to eat animals even if it's once a year.
but you still need to make the health argument. because people wouldn't switch if veganism was worse than meat eating. it has to be atleast equal for people to change.
He's completely right. Veganism is for ethics. There are health arguments if you are increasing whole foods plant based intake, but if you are just going vegan, you do it for ethics.
Ethics as a backing will keep you mentally tough in situations that aren't perfectly convenient.
Oreos are vegan. Soda is vegan. Vegan donuts are vegan.
As are healthy fruits, nuts, and vegetables.
Ethics, the environment, antibiotic resistance, pandemics and health are all very good reasons to go vegan.
Nonsense.
@@itzakehrenberg3449 How?
B.s. only your personal ethics... that's only for factory farms.
@@marcuslatrent528 So raising an animal to slaughter and eat them for pleasure is ethical?
@@ab-td7gq you just said eat? You get nutrients from eating. Meat is enjoyable because God designed it that way. He gave us the animals to eat. So, yes. If you raise the animal and slaughter it for consumption, it is ethical. Are you seriously saying it's unethical to raise an animal to eat?!
I think we eat far more meat than we need to, even accounting for increased protein needs of exercise. That being said, I also don't think eliminating entire food groups from your diet is healthy unless you have a particular allergy/digestive difficulty.
Expense is a good reason. Meat costs a lot more than veggies.
Tasty vegan junk food costs more than tasty non-vegan junk food tho. I wish it didn't cuz I might go vegan one day. But it does >:(
@A Mix Of Geek Content Yep. I don't eat junk food though and eating beans and legumes is a lot cheaper than meat for protein. I'm not fully vegan though. I like eggs too much.
@@Andrew-it7fb meat is only for successful people. Peasants were always very sparingly with meat eating.
Where do you live? 3 peppers in my country cost about 4€. I’ll get 0.5kg of meat for that price. Being vegan is way more expensive in my experience
@@Andrew-it7fbGetting the same amount of protein from veganism is more expensive than getting the same amount of protein from meat.
If we compare black beans to chicken breasts, black beans are 2.8 cents per gram of protein, while chicken breasts cost 1.6 cents per gram of protein.
You also need to factor in the fact that animal based protein has an absorption efficiency of about 97% in your GI tract. Plant based proteins can be as low as 70%.
This is true, because veganism isn’t a diet. It’s an ethical belief that extends to your diet, along with the clothes you wear and cleaning products you buy amongst other things. You can be unhealthy as a vegan, you can be healthy as a vegan.
I’m 99% vegan & I body build. I’m also gluten free so it’s a bit of a struggle.
If youre going to do it for ethics then completely do it for ethics. Nothing worse than someone who preaches a "higher ideal" then picks and chooses.
....Unless of course you are trying to prevent heart disease and cancer, in which case going vegan will dramatically reduce the risk. But there’s a distinction between eating plant based and being vegan, which is for the animals by definition.
It may reduce the risk of cancer, but it doesn’t prevent cancer. As I got cancer anyway, which shocked us. But my heart is strong, my bloodwork is good as per my numbers and doc. But I did still end up with cancer. I never thought it wasn’t possible but I just didn’t think I would get it in my 40’s. I’m still vegan though and I try to eat as healthy as I can and stay fit. Also I prefer not to eat cute animals. But I don’t believe being vegan pb or keto or whatever other fad diet out there prevents cancers unfortunately. Best 🌱
no. that is a lie. absolutely false.
Basically do you want to be a good person or not?
Veganism is always fully ethical, everything else is just an argument for a plant based diet, which also has many advantages but it's not the same thing as veganism. Personally I don't think there's any excuse to not be vegan in a modern civilisation as the food is cheap and easily accessible, at the very least can match the dietary quality and taste enjoyment, and is ethically superior to an omnivorous diet
I am someone with more of an educational background in nutrition than yourself. I’ve been fully plant-based for 5 years. I recently completed a 100-mile ultramarathon and I strict press 225lbs at 170lbs with no layback. I’d be happy to point out some basic points why plant-based is indeed superior to non plant-based for health. Surprised you didn’t concede there.
1.3x bench is nothing to brag about unless you're like 80 years-old.
and marathon running is just for people that hate themselves and like to suffer for no reason or benefit. wouldn't be surprised if most of them are vegan, same mindset.
@@uberneanderthal strict press, not bench press. And marathons are stupid, I agree, that’s why I do ultras.
Dr Mike as usual is right on. Many vegans get healthy because they were eating like 💩 before they went vegan. After they went vegan they watched what they ate. That’s what helped get them healthier not the fact they stopped eating meat. In most cases (not all)the human body is designed to operate optimally with nutrients from a blend of animals and plants. Not just one but both. Sorry to the militant vegans and carnivores out there but it limiting yourself to just one form of nutrition isn’t healthy. That’s just the facts.
That's not what mike is saying at all tho... And what you're saying isn't supported in the lit.
Yeah this post is hilariously oblivious lmao
This is quite on the money, but having said that. A full meat, egg, dairy diet has all the nutrient requirements you need to live healthy and well. There's just a truck load of propaganda out there and for some time now, that meat is supposedly not good for you. This is what a lot of people will believe. Either that, or they take the moral high ground.
Could you refer to some evidence for that claim? Veganism has been concluded as a healthy diet for all ages and backgrounds by the fda.
A vegan diet isn't necessarily limited, I eat from five food groups: beans, whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts/seeds. Your definition of limited nutrition is vague.
I’m mostly plant based but I do have chicken for time to time
eat steaks red meat has better nutrients
I'm mostly vegetarian & at least 80% plant based which is more plant based than 95% of the population.
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Congratulations 🎉🎊 😂
The environmental aspect of it is for me as strong - if not stronger - than the direct ethics of consuming, say, a steak. And the environmental argument ties into species extinction, biodiversity & habitat loss etc so ties back into the ethics. Not that it really changes the point but “vegan” and plant based” are not the same thing definitionally.
If environmental is your concern than eating grass fed beef is the best thing for the climate.
Hell yeah 🤙
We should try to not harm animals 🤲🏽
As best you can
No one is perfect and suffering is inevitable
But we should try
A whole food plant-based diet has been shown many times to be one of the healthiest in many aspects including cv health. It has loads of epidemiological data and RCTs behind it. Saying that you shouldn't go vegan for health because it doesn't guarantee better health is like saying you shouldn't use medicines because they don't guarantee to cure/reduce symptoms of your illness. It's a dumb argument.
Vegans are delusional. Including their selfish ethics.
That’s not what Mike said though he said a vegan diet doesn’t guarantee better health. The difference being the “whole food” part. I’ve known some vegan people who basically live off vegan eggos and other junk. They were not healthier than I was consuming a primarily whole food diet(at the time). Essentially a choice to lead a vegan diet or lifestyle doesn’t inherently make you healthier. You still need to choose food that nourishes your body adequately.
@@Thomas-zt7dmAnd I also said that a vegan diet doesn't guarantee health, just as medicines don't. Mike said, "But it SHOULDN'T be for your health because veganism isn't a guarantee of health..." So that is literally what Mike said. Even assuming he meant what you said, that still doesn't make any sense. Yes, a vegan diet can be unhealthy, just as any other diet can. You have to design your vegan diet correctly to ensure that it is as healthy as possible/as healthy as you want. That is why I added "whole food" in my first comment. But just because you can make an unhealthy vegan diet doesn't mean that you should never go vegan for health reasons. If you for example have high apoB, changing to a healthy vegan whole food plant-based diet is a great choice. Just because you could eat vegan junk food all day doesn't mean that veganism as a whole is not a good lifestyle change for health.
It's almost as if Mike assumes everyone that goes vegan will eat junk food lol.
Just as you can abuse medications/design your treatment improperly you can do the same with a vegan diet. That doesn't mean medicines or veganism should never be considered for health reasons.
@@1000mgTren I may have misunderstood you then sorry. I thought when you were saying it’s dumb because you were saying that it will automatically increase your relative health.
@@Thomas-zt7dm np
Really appreciate your unbiased approach. Sticking to facts! Love your content!
Read "how not to die. Plant based diet and less meat is by faaar the healthier choice if you look at statistics. Especially if you cant buy good quality meat which is often freaking expensive, at least where I live.
@@andersjensen7348 I hope you don’t actually believe that a plant based diet is healthier
@@hemipenes it is not about believing it is about reading the science. I am not talking about a vegan diet but a diet mostly based on plants (veggies, legumes, fruits, berries, whole grains). Go read the book and come back to me. So far it has the most evidence for being the most healthy diet with the least risk of different types of cancer and other diseases. Ofc there are downsides like having to eat B12 supplement but other than that it is statistically the best way to eat. People with auto immune diseases might not be able to but data just shows again and again that people are healthier when eating mostly plants. Cheers
Would love to hear your take on the China Study.
Ethics is one piece, to me; environmental impact is a much bigger piece. Even ignoring the multitude of cascading effects, you can just look at the simple math; you get about 3% of the energy back (on average) from the energy you provide to an animal. Plants are closer to 90%. And before some genius comes in here with the logical fallacies regarding soy farming: the vast majority of soy goes towards animal feed, doofus.
Not eating animal products is by far the easiest way to reduce your impact overall, and I’d agree that the most realistic middle ground is probably for the majority of the population to simply reduce intake as much as possible rather than go full vegan.
To add to your point, its not possible for the entire planet to eat grass fed animals. Its much more efficient to feed the planet by feeding our animals soy or farm feed we produce (which is still way less efficient than just eating plants).
There is one environment friendly way to eat animals (although its still not enough for the entire planet to eat), i.e. hunting and eating invasive species. They don't do anything good for the ecology in your area, and making their population go down is probably a net positive on the environment.
@rahul sanghi Yep. In some areas hunting has replaced the role of predators. Where I live, hunting is needed to keep the deer population in check.
I am not worried about that at all.
I really don't think that you are either.
@@shrimuyopa8117 no, I am worried about this massive issue; hence my comment here. Hope you’re able to break out of the cognitive dissonance one day 👍
@@Tjcace510 Again, if you were actually worried about it, you would be doing more than just typing out virtue signals on the internet. You wouldn't even be using the internet knowing the carbon foot print it creates all over the world.
In our modern world, where all of the meats and seafoods are contaminated with toxins and/or pharmaceuticals. Eating a whole-foods, plant-based diet is the most optimal choice
No
And if you want to stay an omnivore, that’s fine as well. Which is what I’ll remain
Veganism IS an ethical stance ONLY. The whole food plant based diet, however, is an extremely healthy way to eat as long as one ensures that they are eating a wide variety of plant foods including nuts, seeds, and legumes.
based dr mike
It has always been ethical for me although I am in greater health than I was when I wasn't Veagn.
It can decrease cholesterol, right?
no… im lean and on a carnivore dier, its about calories, nuts and seeds are full of fats
Yes it will
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37226630/
Well the thing is on a vegan diet the weight just falls off and my joints hurt less. I have no clue if I have a meat intolerance or something, but it works shrug
Free the animals ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
To our plates 😀
You freed your brain long time ago
@@ifuego yes, im so stupid to be a vegan, how dumb
then stop eating vegetables too
And where do you put them after you freed all of them? It is pretty evident that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m all for a reduction in meat consumption but this comment is just an uneducated statement.
No type of nutrition is for health. Just healthy natural food is for health. And with a vegan lifestyle you can eat natural and healthy♥️
I eat reasonable amounts of protein, not too crazy. And I spread it around to different animals too.
If You're interested in veganism You should approach it as a philosophy, whose primary axiom entails certain ethics.
I also highly recommend picking up gardening as a skill if you choose to do so.
Or if you have heart conditions or dont want to go on cholesterol medications.
it's like you didn't even pay attention to the video. this is bs
remember, vegan means no dairy or lean chicken,egg whites as well
Don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like something long debunked
@greattribulation1388 what is debunked? That saturated fat in excess leads to heart disease and is hard on the cardiovascular system? No, that is still sound science supported by the Cleveland clinic, every cardiology association on earth..
I'm not a vegan, but I also am not dogmatic about nutrition. You can't overdo one macronutrient without consequences. And one sure fire way of reducing your overall fat intake, since it's so easy to overdo, is cut back on animal products, oil, butter, and cheese.
It's not rocket science. It's nutrition science, and if you don't believe it, ask yourself what's more likely, if the overwhelming evidence is untrue, and all the scientists are wrong, or do you just like hearing good news about your bad habits
Decent scope though as a 10 years vegan male athlete. Veganism is specifically for the animals. Whole Foods Plantbased is for health.
How Not to Die book you all !! It explains all the health reasons to be planted based
What stupid name for a book.
And enviormental reasons are pretty big too
When you have a bread, countless mice and other critters were churned by the farmer equipment when they do farming.
When a pasture raIsed cow has lived it's life, how many mice has it stepped on?
Studies show very few animals die when crops are harvested and the majority of those crops are fed to livestock. Many humans die on the job producing your food though, from slaughterhouse workers decapitated to road accidents to fishermen drowning are you taking responsibility for those deaths?
:3 Well, by far, plant-based/vegan is the healthiest for humans according to record-breaking athletes, the longest living tribes, human biology, human anatomy, and the largest health study. Vegan.
i eat a vegan diet because its easier to pick up an animal's vibes than a plant's vibes because we are already animals anyway so i dont want another animal's vibes messing up my animal vibes ya feel? that being said i think plants also have a right to vibe so you cant necessarily claim ethical high ground because no one knows the subjective experience of being a plant. so to recap, not for ethical reasons, but for vibeological reasons
You can also argue that eating plants directly instead of through animals (a massive inefficiency) decreases overall plant death on your hands by quite a way👍
Yah you can't discount the deeply researched aspects of vibeology.
What are the exact measurements of your vibes versus the exact measurements of the vibes of the animals you are worried about? Also how do your vibes in a mechanical way impact your body and how does the dead meat hold onto its vibes and how do those same vibes transfer to you?
So fascinating!
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Plants have feelings too!
Plants don’t want to be eaten, that’s why they have thorns and poisons. It’s only because we domesticated them, that nuts like almonds became edible and not poison, so there really isn’t ethical reasons
I like most of his content but disagree with some of his points. There's a reason why it's the "heart attack proof diet". Plant Pure Nation is pretty much the best response to this. Two doctors traveled the country, made meals for those willing to eat nothing but plant based foods, and took their blood work before and after. The results were remarkable.
And they were?
For health and nutrient reasons meat and eggs are very obvious additions
No, and I don't think dr mike agrees with you...
Vegan diets CAN BE very healthy... No need to add meat... Infact the science is pretty clear that adding meat (apart from fish) to a diet makes the diet more unhealthy.
Mike's point is that, if all you care about is health, why cut out fish or the occasional other animal product.
@Rupert here's another one wirh the science, have you actually looked at it? If you did you wouldn't be saying this.
Time people educate themselves on the latest and stop repeating the same old same old.
Take a moment and do just that
@@Cenot4ph i have yeah 😅
but hey, instead of us arguing about what the science says; mike has a full video on vegan diets where he says that vegan diets CAN BE "super healthy".
so i guess mike needs to "educate himself" some more, eh?
@Rupert ummm, no, meat is literally part of our natural diet and provides nutrients that cannot be found without artificial supplements.
I don't know what "science" you pulled that from, there's biased reseach everywhere but the most undeniable scientific fact is that Humans are omnivores, hence a diet of Meats and Vegetables are our natural and healthy fiet
@@rupert909 perhaps you shouldn't be thinking so much for other people and misconstrue the argument we're having.
So happy to see you talking about it
There is no ethical reason to go vegan that stacks up to the fundamental reality of the world given that mono crop agriculture is an environmental disaster.
70% of the world's farmland is non arable therefore crops can't grow but grazing animals can. The often touted "80% of crops go to animals" is also propaganda firstly because crops are not a requirement for beef production as they can simply graze on non arable land. But because mono crop agriculture causes a huge amount of plant based waste products that are efficiently upcycled as animal feed yet that waste makes it into the deliberately misleading "70% of crops go to animal feed". This figure is one that goes in favour of animal farming not against when taken in the appropriate context.
When all is said and done the overall animal cruelty, environmental destruction and emissions would only increase if we all went vegan. Clearly a symbiotic mixture of both kinds of farming are what is required especially as ruminant grazing is one of the only way to regenerate topsoil destroyed by crop farming.
I went vegetarian for the planet, then vegan for the animals. As soon as I learned that animal products weren’t necessary for health, I ditched them completely. I'm healthier now than when I ate meat, because my knowledge of health, environment and ethics developed in tandem.
Given how often vegans lie on the internet, I am inclined to disbelieve you.
what about the domestication and killing of trees and plants
You sound like you’re full of shit
Based Dr. Mike take
It is about health for me. The avg vegan lives 10 years longer than a meat eater
Is it ethical though?
To the self righteous, everything they do is ethical and necessary
You could make an argument that it isn’t, however it doesn’t change that it is more ethical than other forms of consumption. That being said it doesn’t make you a terrible person if you eat meat
Less animal suffering, and lower climate impact? I'd say that's pretty ethical.
@@Novenae_CCG Less animal suffering?
Are you growing your food in your backyard? Because industrial farming actually kills more animals than the meat industry.
Those giant tractors that harvest the crops rip and grind through the rabbits, coyotes, badgers, snakes, mice, gophers, and rats that live in those fields of crops. That's not even considering the bugs that are killed off and the birds that die off too.
You are completely delusional.
Edit: Spelling mistakes
Save all microscopic babies embryothers phitusisters and grand-adults love God with all your heart and soul ❤️
Vegans are based
@@PigsDream nah vegans are very annoying
I want to go vegan for Shelly down the road,get got a big personality😊
Actually when you do your research even the ethical reasons are shit and misguided. Religion would be the only legitimate reason
I'm allergic to red meat, and fish. I'm involuntary forced to be 95 percent vegan I also can't eat wheat, soy, eggs, milk, rice, barley, tree nuts, and oats
April fools was last month?
I choose to have a carnivore diet, because, I love plants more than animals. And I feel bad for the plants that are eaten by animals. Animals eat more plants than humans, therefore, I feel, the best approach is, to eat animals who eat plants. This is the reason, due to which, I eat herbivorous animals only, I don't eat carnivorus animals.
I’m not going vegan 🤣🤷♀️
you like abusing animals too much.
I hate myself for not being vegan. I love animals but yet I still eat chicken ,steak etc. I need to get more self control so I can stop this madness. This new year I'm going to try again,I have tried a couple times and I always break. After I eat meat I feel guilty if I start thinking about. I do believe governments have force fed humans from birth to eat meat and I think that's also wrong and needs to stop.
I'm vegan for over 10 years now and I'm at a point where I just want "lab grown" (clean) meat (and other animal products) to become a common thing.
Not because I miss animal products but because then we can all just eat the same stuff again and move on...
Which ethics?
If you think it is “unethical” to kill animals for nourishment, anyone who farms knows how many animals are killed all in protection of crops, and not for a purpose or humanely. Among many other reasons, the “ethical” argument for veganism falls short by its own standards.
I’m pretty sure the ethics revolve around how the animals are treated before they die, not the fact that they are killed.
That's a terrible argument. And I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced breeding of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await slaughter by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
That's a terrible argument. And I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced breeding of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await death by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
I'm not even a vegan, or vegetarian.. Comparing the forced creation of animals who are brought into existence only to live short painful lives where they know nothing but abject misery and suffering while they await $laughter by the billions.. to the naturally occuring animals that are killed as collateral damage during crop farming, is completely absurd.
it is possible(although not currently) to harvest crops without killing any animal. on the other hand it is impossible to obtain meat without killing somebody. I am not vegan but I would imagine that the intent of killing animals is immoral to them, while with farming they hope they can improve their practices to kill less and less animals.
As a vegan, I’m going to say I did not go vegan for the love of animals or saving animals or protect protecting animals. I’m not a fan of murdering animals or mass annihilation of animals. I would rather not kill an animal. I don’t even like to run over animals accidentally and avoid them like the plague, but that’s not why I’m a vegan. I’m a vegan because I wanna be healthy. I want my heart to be healthy. I want my body to be healthy I don’t wanna be full of toxins. I don’t wanna eat chemicals and I sure enough don’t wanna put all of the horrible things in my body that they put inside of food nowadays. Whether it’s for ethical reasons or not, I think that you should be treating your body like a temple, and you are what you eat, and we should protect our bodies and take care of our bodies not murdering. Animals is a bonus.
If your wife's boyfriend keeps eating all the meat in your house
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If you end up at risk of colon cancer and diabetes from too much saturated fat
@@RapidBlindfolds what's that got to do with veganism?
@@RapidBlindfolds you don't have to worry! I'm doing alright
@@unbabunga229 animal products have saturated fat in them and plants don’t
Honestly, I totally agree, I turned vegan for those reasons.
Hey Dr Mike, you should do a 90 day vegan challenge and track your gains (err losses)
Would be great!
Veganism is only about animal rights.
The plant based diet, which is what you're on if you are vegan, can be healthier but also less healthy. It can be better for the environment, but also worse.
It in itself doesn't change anything. You can keeping to Burger King and eat shit, or you can eat whole food plant based.
I'd even argue that someone who is living a plant based lifestyle for health or the environment and not for animals isn't vegan -> definition of veganism
Veganism like other leftist movements are very cultish.
not really. its not a movement about us, its for the betterment of others
@greenricee lol, yeah right. Vegans and other leftists are the most self centered people on the planet
@greenricee no it's you virtue signaling.
Alex leonaidis needs to see this
Veganism isn't something you try out, it's about the animals, a lifestyle. It can be a very healthy diet but that's up to you. If you say you tried to be vegan and failed, you didn't get the concept in the first place.
Vegan maybe but plant-based is completely different and about 99% of it is for health the other 1% is for ethics because at the end of the day the animals are getting done dirty regardless I care more about human right than animal rights
Completely agree. Though i wouldn’t do it for ethics either, i love animal products.
Bruh consider the other beings in the world, ethics is not what brings you pleasure its whats right to do- in everyones interests. Sensory pleasure is not a way to justify unecessary suffering and killing
@@joshuakenny503 I literally said I wouldn’t cut out meat and animal products for ethical reasons. So I don’t understand the argument about ethics not being about pleasure.
Speaking of things that aren’t just for pleasure, there are a lot of other valid reasons I eat meat and animal products.
And yes I do consider other beings in this world. Which is why I believe in ethical farming and proper treatment of the animals. I just don’t think straight up cutting out animal products and meat in my own life is necessary or even helpful. I get my comment didn’t make my position on these things entirely clear. Hope I could clarify.
@@capyboi-776 fair enough on most counts, I do respect your overall views but I would like to know how you have animals killed 'properly'. I think your apparent care for animals would fit quite well with being vegan no? What makes non-human animals so lowly that you (or anyone) has a right to eat their flesh and pay for their significantly premature deaths? To me, it seems a severe rights violation
@@capyboi-776 and 'ethical farming' is an interesting one- if you're fattening animals up for a premature death I don't think any level of pleasantness in their life can make up for that ultimate violation of their right to life
@@joshuakenny503 I mean if a lion kills and eats a cow, is that a rights violation? And I know you hold humans to a higher moral standards, so do I, but just like lions eating other animals is necessary, I think humans eating animals is necessary. Not for all individuals, but for humanity in general as a whole.
As to how you properly kill an animal, you give them a good life, and turn them into a good dish. Animals definitely have the right not to be turned into chicken nuggets from McDonalds.
It should be for both
That’s not true, I went vegan for some time (now regular mixed eating) and I can say from my experience my cardio vascular strength endurance is rubbish eating a meat/dairy based diet, my cardio performance and recovery was so good and coming back to a mixed diet I feel the tension in my chest/lungs… in terms of health the discussion is much more nuanced such as how well does your body make level 2 nutrients such as epa/dha creatine etc then what are u consuming, whole foods only? UPF? It’s important how to process grains correctly such as sprouting soaking and cooking methods to reduce carcinogens… relying on data or science to figure this out your gonna be waiting a few lifetimes
"being vegan is dumb"
Being against unnecessary animal abuse is dumb?
@@ab-td7gq How about the insects that die? What about the environment that is being destroyed so you can grow your tasty avocado?
@@ifuego Over and over again research shows us that eating a plant based diet is the best way to reduce our impact on the environment as individuals. Way more insects and other animals die in the process for making animal feed.
@@ab-td7gq 🤡
@@ifuego Lol. Is that all you got?
What if you go plant based for health ?
yiu can and then eat red meat with it!,,