Why is Continental TKC 80 My First Adventure Tire Choice?
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- In this video, I will tell you everything about Continental TKC 80. Why do I use them, what is my experience with the model, and what mileage do I expect from them.
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Hello Pavlin,
I‘m working in the tire/wheel industry and have a small tip for you and everybody else who reads this: If you complete a wheel and see a huge unbalance: Deflate, break the bead and turn the tyre 120 degree on the rim. You can try this a second time if it didn’t get better. This prevents the case that the high point of the unbalance of your rim adds up with the high point of the tyre. With matching the Tyre with the rim you minimize the resulting unbalance. This is done in automatic wheel assembly lines to be able to use less weights.
Also the markings (painted dots) on the tyres depend on the manufacturer (you don’t know what they did mark) and the valve on the rim is not always the part with the greatest unbalance. So if you match the markings with the valve like most people do and this results in a huge unbalance try to turn the Tyre by 180 degrees and see if it’s getting better. The machines making the measurements can mark a lot of things. It’s not always the high/low point of the unbalance. Most people (also mechanics) don’t know this. I speak from my experience doing my job in developing such machines
I am aware of these tricks and every tire shop use it.
Thanks for informing us, not all tyre shops care this
This is incredible when you consider the TKC 80 has been on the market since 1985, almost 40 years, and is still one of the best off-road tires available and is preferred by many drivers, just like you... Pavlin!😊
True!
@@motorcycleadventures wish they make 16 inch tires
Incredible is the fact, that this tire is dangerous on tarmac compared to modern tires.
At the moment you have to pay €285 in Germany for a set of TKC80 including tubes for the front and rear wheels!
Great video. I concur.
My experience, based on a heavy Ducati Multistrada 1200 and a lighter CB500X with me (80 kg and gear 45 kg) with tubeless rims, is:
For almost any trip (500 km to 10,000 km) I run the TXC80 on the front. And I always do
For short trips, less than 6000 km I run the TKC80's on the rear for the entire trip.
For longer trips, I expect to do a tire change. I usually start with a TKC70 Rocks tire and then will install a TKC80 for the difficult section which is usually some 3000 km into the journey.
I really like the TKC models because I do my own tire changes at home and on the road and the softer compound is ideal for that.
However, there is a Catch 22: soft compound easy to change; Soft compound perhaps easier to damage.
On one route I have done several times, there is very sharp shale gravel and there is a possibility of slashing the sidewall. I believe a TKC80 would slash easier than most Mitas tires. And a slashed tire is a bit more problematic, but I do carry a tube just in case. I still run the TKC here as I have done a tire swap and could access that other tire if required.
Perhaps the Mitas would get through?
In Canada, the approximate running cost is $.032 USD per km for the TKC80 and for the TKC70 Rocks is $0.25 USD per km. Less than a penny per km difference.
So obviously the TKC70 Rocks is more cost effective BUT I still choose the TKC80 nearly 90% of the time because of it's qualities.
Again changing my own tires is a significant saving. Paying a shop every 6000 km is expensive.
I have the luxury of changing the rear just for the trip.
I am nowhere near twenty minutes but maybe because I want the work to last for at least two Mike's Hard Lemonade drinks.
Thanks for the excellent video. It was just one Mike's Hard Lemonade.
So by those numbers, if your tkc80 lasts 6000km, the price for a tkc80 is $200 Usd and times two for two tyres. Does this mean that tyres cost you more than fuel?
@@superwag634 No, tires do not cost more than fuel, but close on my CB500X.
Also note, I get 12,000 km on the front tire and the front tire is cheaper.
So the actual tire costs for 6000 km = 190 USD (rear) + 120/2 USD (front) = 250 USD. I install myself.
My CB500X is very economical on fuel, especially when I am doing lots of gravel, but I average 26 km / l.
So, 230 liters for 6000 km at 1.12 USD/l for regular here in Canada, so 260 USD.
My Ducati was another story, the fuel average was 17 km/l and I used premium fuel
so, 350 liters for 6000 km at 1.25 USD/l for premium here in Canada, so 440 USD.
Never had any problem with the strength of TKC and also never had a flat.
Thanks for your wide range of arguments about the tires. Always a pleasure to watch you.
My pleasure!
A couple years ago someone on my motorcycle forum recommenced a tire. I PM'd him and asked how many miles he got out of them. That's when he explained that he had never personally owned the tire in question but was simply parroting reviews he read on the forum.
I asked him how he could recommend something without real first hand experience, he said that he "felt confident recommending the tires because other people liked them".
I owned one long life MITAS tire and won't own another. Being able to change a tire on the road is critical. Very good advice.
Thanks for sharing!
Brilliant tyre. Very good grip everywhere. Good review 👊
Thanks! 👍
Very good info especially on the ease of changing this tire or repairing a flat out in the forest due to it's soft compound. I ordered one today.
Good!
Excellent video Pavlin , for me i use the Michelin anakee wild. The reason is the same as your reasons
they give me confidence and have not let me down so far.
Thanks for sharing!
Interesting review
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good vid young man.
Appreciate it!
Much Enjoyment 👍😎
Thanks for the visit!
Makes me want to change also to TKC 80 on my old XTZ 750! Good video Pavlin
Go for it!
I have grabbed my favorite drink Pavlin 😁 I hope you are doing well brother 🙏
I am well, thanks for asking, Ismo! How are you?
I run the TKC70 & 70rocks, I tend to ride more asphalt & gravel. Love the channel!
Thanks for sharing!
This is my favorite tire for travel on my KLR650 for all the reasons you mentioned. Very nice review.
Good!
After watching your channel for years, I switched to TKC 80 on both my Africa Twin and CRF 250. Excellent tires. On the Africa Twin, I am currently running the front tire with 10,000+ kms and still good. The rear tire wears down by 6000kms on a heavy ADV bike. On a light bike like CRF 250, the rear lasts for about 8,000km and front will go 14,000km for me.
Good, I usually do 14-15,000km on the fronts.
I compared the TKC 80 to the Motoz GPS and decided on the latter. I'm getting lots of satisfaction out of my Motoz GPS (tubeless) riding both road and off-road in Ecuador. You can also install them in reverse for a 50/50 traction. Have 12,000 kms on them with lots of tread for another safe 4-6,000 kms. Whichever tire you choose, keep it upright and stay safe.😊
Thanks for sharing!
They’re a pig to change by the roadside though
@@nemerkhagood thing they’re tubeless so you probably can fix from outside 🤷♂️
Are you using motoz gps front? Cant really compare the gps front to a tkc80 front. Very very different tyre for different purposes
They are very difficult to rebead . From a experience with a stone puncturing through a gap in the tread , and significant issues rebeading , I now carry spare tubes for back and front. Motoz GPS are a great tyre , but as Pavlin said , difficult to repair.
I remember buying Metas 09's because you liked them. Sadly they only had Dakars and I wanted non Dakar, but I hope that being tubeless I will not have so many issues changing. Riding on them is great on road, mud and sand, but next time I will go for softer and try some TKC80's. Thanks for the great videos.
Glad to help!
My favorite tire too for dual sport.
Good!
I really liked them on my old KLX400R. TBH, never thought about trying them on my own T7. Nice to know they're working out well for you.
Just try them!
Always appreciate your honest takes. I am glad you are happy with this tires but since you mentioned at the beginning of the video that there are less expensive and longer lasting tires that many people swear by it, perhaps in the future you could try some of those and have the chance to come up with your own new opinions. There is no other way to make sure you are not missing something good. 🙂 Cheers.
Fair enough!
Gostei da explicação! Boa
Ok
Michelin Ankee Wild , amazing tyre in my humble opinion
Ok
I love the TXC and have used it many times, from the start way back. I have used many many tyres in nearly 50 years riding. Tyres were terrible when i started compared to now but we adapted. For long trips i trade grip for tyre life and one tyre I keep going back to is Mitas E07 Dakar. Yes it is hard to change but they come off in the end. TXC for technical short trips, Dakar for long trips for me. I am not an expert so dont take my words as gospel it is just my opinion. It can just come down to cost as well as tyres are getting more andmore expensive
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Pavlin! As always - amazing video, huge fan for years. 👌 Just ordered a set of TKC 80 for my Tenere 660.
Quick question: In the video 8:35, there's a small black rubber block with Latvia country contour - does it have any significance? (seems pretty random for you to have it) Have you been or planning to come to Latvia? 🤔
It was a gift when I was there. I don't plan trip there again, but you never know.
Used TKC80s a lot, good tyre but short life. Now using mitas e07 for the first time, overall I prefer it especially on road.
Fair enough!
I did a few mixed trips with my Africa Twin DCT lightly loaded and got 12000 kilos out of my rear tyre. Everyone said that should not be possible so changed to Dunlop . Also ok with that, but will give TKC80 another bash in the future
Enjoying your channel here in South Africa
Thanks for taking the time!
Absolutely great all-around adv tire with good pros and no obvious cons, maybe only one being the wear. Rides confidently from tarmac to sand, wet grass, mud, and rocks.
Thanks for taking the time!
Im running the T7 stock tires, soft riding, 10.000 km and they are new, im pretty sure i can get 20 k on them. On the road they are like a racing tire, fantastic grip cornering, top speed no problem, zero instability. I have never been a fan of Pirelli but slowly changing my mind. Also have Pirelly in the car, much cheaper than Continental or Bridgestone and they are performing very well. If i start doing offroad front tire will be Pirelli mt 21, rear maybe this Tkc 80.
Thanks for sharing!
TKC 80s are easier to fit than stiffer constructions. I just battled with a Heidenau Ranger rear on my venerable Transalp 600 and thought hard why middle class "adventure" bikes use tube types. It's not something I want to do again on a rainy track in the middle of nowhere. Wet roads: In our group of five on ACT Romania last summer we all had 50-50 tyres (Dunlop, Michelin, Metzeler, Heidenau, Continental). On rainy roads the TKC 80 were the worst, but if you check your speed you'll arrive safely. Happy rides, Günter/Nürnberg
Thanks for sharing!
Good quality info thanks Pavlin. Do you know if it is a fact or not that Continental is discontinuing production of the TKC80 ?
Not that I know of.
Agree 👍 mitas used to be cheaper but never lasted as long and were not as good in the wet… mixed riding TKC’s are best - heavy enduro riding Motaz tractionators or enduro 👍🏴🏍👏
Thanks for sharing!
Experience is the Best Preacher .
True!
Hi Pavlin,
My tire is the Bridgestone Battlax AX41 on a 1290 R. It doesn't last as long as the TKC 80, maybe because I ride too hard, but in my opinion, it is much better off-road in any conditions and also a lot better in the wet. On tarmac, I'm riding it in the twisties, keeping up with the superbikes. I was 100% on the TKC 80 until I tried the AX41. Now I don't want any TKC 80s anymore. Maybe you can try it once and give us your opinion about it.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for sharing!
I agree, great tire. Too bad they're no longer available in the USA since the 2022 safety recall. I hope they find a way to bring them back here.
Good to know!
I have been very happy with the discount Shinko version 804 and 805. Soft, comparable wear and performance. Rear has less side grip than the TKC80, but you trade that for a bit longer life. Not sure what pricing is in your area, but here in Canada you can get a front and rear for the cost of a single tire from someone like continental or Michelin.
Thanks for sharing!
They are great tires for about 2000 miles. After that might as well have trailwings(deathwings). The worse tire purchase i have did in 40 years of riding. Just my personal experience. Glad you like them, but i prefer to get at least 5000 to 8000 miles out of my rear tire and 8000 to 12,000 miles from the front....aka MotoZ.
Thanks for sharing!
I have tkc 80 on front tire , on back tire mitas 07 +. From my experience I have Better traction on road , especialy on corners snd Wet conditions.
Ok
Pavlin in Germany a set of Mitas EO7 150 19 and 110 17 is circa €283 and a set of Conti TK 80 in the same sizes is circa €280. Not €500+. Mitas also don't have a middle solid centre, the blocks are of wishbone patern but spaced between each centre block, admittedly not as widely spaced out as the TK80's but still spaced. So both are still very well priced here. Ride safe.
Mitas 07 + is without a center line. 150/70-18 cannot get under 200 euros www.reifen.de/reifen/motorrad/enduro_reifen/continental-150-70-18/108+200+201+202
You're staying with tubes? Interesting! Everyone talks about tubeless now but they're not the only tyres
Pros and cons always.
In 2021 the TKC 80 made a comeback as original tire on GS. Interesting to see a tire renaissance😮
Good!
I fully support your demands from the tyres. The TKC 80 were OEM on the 690 and good off-road when new.
But in my experience the first third of rubber is used up quite fast.
With little profile left the off-road capabiliities are not convincing any more, at least for me.
After + 50.000 km I found the Heidenau Scout to work well on the KTM 690 (no middle stripe) and the Heidenau Ranger on the 890 worked very well on the +20.000 km trip in South America.
Michelin 4 mm tubes plus the stiff carcass of the Heidenau reduces the risk of a flat significantly.
But, you are right, if you really have to, manually changing the Heidenaus is a challenge.
The 890 runs on tubeless Ranger, fixing a flat is much easier.
The milages you mention I never achieve, even so I don't go for top speed either.
Rough gravel wears of the tyres quite fast.
It is always a trade-off, but for my riding the Heidenaus became my tyres of choice.
Thanks for sharing!
Have you thought about taking a couple large c clamps with you to change tubes? Helps break the bead, really quick.
To break the bead was not a problem.
Ready to change out of a set of Motoz Tractionator Rallz. I might give these a try for comparison based on your review, even though the Motoz tyres we great as well.
You’ll get maybe half the life compared to Motoz. Motoz use a fairly hard silica containing compound. But it’s worth trying and seeing which you like better. Price is probably similar
@@superwag634 Thanks mate, would be hard to be better than the Motoz Tractionators. Maybe I'd be jumping out of the pot into the fire.
Go for it!
I must agree with You best tire ever made onroad offroad rain snow sunny only bad is in 2015 was around 120 euro now is 180-220 euro
True
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Пожалуйста!
Thank you as always Pavlin, (1) Is the soft compound you think can make them more able to get punctured? (2) How is the noise they make, compare to the OEM Perrelli scorpion tires? (3) How is the traction on the asphalt, dry regular condition, for rider like you, normal speed, compare to the OEM Perrelli scorpion tires? Thanks so much !
Never had a puncture and it is better than Pirelli in all conditions.
@@motorcycleadventures Thank you very much for the honesty and time
Tires are killer expensive nowdays. Just to buy in USA a good set is 500 dollars plus getting put on. Serious expense. You get what you pay for. Marc Parnes balancer, Rabaconda mounting machine.
It is what it is!
Thanks for the vid but I find those tyres to be bad in damp/wet offroad. I suggest you give the D908RR on the rear and it lasts very long. Forget the Dunlop front cos it is very soft and lasts very little. All the best.
I am okay with TKC
Love the tire! Performed well on and off road, but didn’t last very long. No longer available in the US.
Thanks for sharing!
have 10,400km on the factory TKC80 tires on my BMW urban GS and i am thinking they still probably could go another 2500km before replacement. on road they are very confidence inspiring for a knobby. Did some off road with them and they got me through some water holes and very loose rocky sections. didn't feel like real knobbies would on a dirt bike but they got this quite heavy Urban GS through it all
Good!
one day,if you have the opportunity:try the pirelli scorpion rally!!
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Funnily enough i have not had a puncture with Continental, either. This is a massive plus for me.
Often copied, but not bettered.
Why change what isn't broken?
When the tyres my current bike xane with need swapping, I'll be back on Conti's again.
Ride safe 👍
Me too, interesting! I never thought about it!
Hi Pav,
Would you please talk about TKC 70 rocks vs tkc 80
Thanks
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Check the costs of the tyre also in the internet. I have just seen a number of offers for around 100 € for the rear Continental TKC80 (without tube, without mounting). Whether you really will get the tyres in the end for this price is of course another question.
Exactly! Many offer them, but nothing when you try to order it.
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Cool!
Right now I can’t find any 90/90 r21 tkc80 since the recall. Mace the Motoz dual venture on the front and Motoz Adventure rear.
Ok
am actually looking at what tyres to get for my upcoming trip to Latvia in Summer. will be doing TET sections, and need to cross many road miles from western europe. Currently have Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my tenere, but they are coming to an end after 9000 miles! on 1/3 worn but need something more sand and mud friendly. Anakee Wilds is on my radar. Will research the TKC 80s. How stiff are they to change on the roadside?
Take a look at the motoz lineup! The Dunlop trailmax raids are what you wanted for that bike.
As I said they are soft and it is easy to change them on the road.
Heidenau k60 Scout
Latvian TET - a lot of gravel roads, forest trails, a bit of mud and quite a lot of sand in TET parts near the sea shores. I am from Latvia, this year I am going to complete whole TET, last week did first 3 parts of TET (was pretty easy on 9/10 worn K60 Scouts as it had been dry weather for a week) and just ordered TKC 80 - which should cover everything Latvian TET has to offer and more. 💪 My friend was feeling quite comfy on a new set of K60 Rangers as well. 👍
@@madzutisexcellent. Am waiting for the delivery of Anakee Wilds. I have 1600 miles to burn before arriving to Latvia, i might need to change the rear whilst in Latvia and will be doing random TET routes whilst visiting family.
Micha consider Motoz tractionator Rallz for a try next time.
Over here in Thailand very cheap. Only down side is they are very noisy on the road.
About repair on the road I have no experience so I can not tell you about that.
Thanks for sharing!
Is that St. Nikolai on your wall in the background?
Yes
Your headlight cover, is that from Yamaha or a chasi one from ebay?
Aliexpress
👍🙂.
Thanks for taking the time!
What size do you buy for tenere?
Stock - 90/90-21, 150/70-18
I have them on my Husqvarna 701.
I won’t choose them again.
Why ?
Whilst I accept that they wear well, and perform extremely happily on tarmac …. They don’t have a lot of grip off road.
Fair enough!
People think biking is cheap. I have a small camper 7litres/100km and 80,000km for tyres. The price of real adventure I guess.
Fair enough!
"I don't trust anyone else, only my own judgement!" - that's not a very compelling argument to get us to trust your opinion! :)))
I never tried the TKC, but my experience with Continental tires is with supermoto and car tires. I will never own another set of Continental tires for any type of vehicle. I find them really poor quality.
I much prefer Metzler, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Dunlop, or Michelin.
Fair enough!
... or we by a bike with tubeless wheels and we don't have to change it in de middle of the road! 😉😉
Tubeless wheels have their cons.
Maybe for you - yes, but not for everyone. The Anakee Wild from Michelin is in every discipline the "better" TKC 80 - and even this tire is dated. From the point of Safety, i would never use a TKC 80 if i want to ride on tarmac. Its the same crap like Karoo 3 and from the point of longevity, the Anakee Wild will last a decent mileage longer.
Use whatever you think!
Wilds are apparently much stiffer to change by the road side
Front and rear (no innertubes) for €190 in Belgium (online price).
I highly doubt it. Try to order it and you will see.
@@motorcycleadventures I did try. €190,08. Tyre shops are much more expensive.
Give me the link please. I also always order online.
What do you think of the TKC 70 Rocks?
Never try it.
shinko 804/805
Fair enough!
You should have bought the normal Mitas E-09, not the Dakar version. The normal version does not have as stiff walls as the Dakar.
I wore many sets of normal Mitas. I know what they are. Not that stiff as Dakar, but still stiffer than TKC
I tried them once....It nearly killed me, they are the only tires that have ever caused a death wobble on my klr 650. I am now running cheaper more aggressive tusk d sports and have no issues, tkc 80's are also the only moto tires I have had that had a safety recall. I assume that's why they are trying to buy their reputation back by sponsoring "influencers"
I am not sponsored!
Id destroy that very quickly on a spirited road ride. I just dont do enough dirt riding in UK
You might!
Вы не сказали про шум от этих шин. У меня будет первая замена шин, я ищу тихие шины. Заводские шины очень шумные и сводят меня с ума.
Шум нормалной
Well.... the tkc 80 won't dry rot on anyone atleast 😂
True!
I made 3000km with tkc80 on g650gs, not agressive riding, about 2000km was offroad, i disagree with longevity :)
Interesting! I never had less than 9,000km. The more off road you have the longer it lasts.
@@motorcycleadventures i think it also depends when you feel you need to change it. I felt about 50% loss on offroad and decided to change, maybe i could do 2000km more, now i will try motoz. TKC80 perfect tire, but for me for short time :) Thank you for you videos, like it. Best regards from Lithuania ;)
This is different story.
do yourself a favor and get a motoz tractionator adventure
I might try it one day. They might last longer, but from what I see, I don't think that they are even comparable.
The TKC80 is a fantastic tire, yes. It is very grippy - both on tarmac and gravel and mud and sand…
But the longevity is really, REALLY bad. So that has to be taken into consideration. In my opinion. It makes the tire very expensive per distance. But fun kilometres for sure!
It is what it is!
Answer: because the ytb provide you the money. If not u could cope with shinko 804/805 :)
Let’s see your video then.
Ha ha ha, if you say so...
TKC80 is soft tyre, easier to punch.
Never had a flat!
It's cheaper to pay for good tyres than pay for an expensive hospital.
Agree!
May bike is cheaper than dis tires 😂
Fair enough@
Anyone who wants to see some objective honest tire reviews, go find the Kyle Bradshaw channel. You never mention noise or braking with the TKC80 and on bitumen it is really suboptimal . Overall (for mixed riding) there are far, far better options available in 2024. Both in price, quality and longevity. The TKC80 design is 40 years old and the rubber compound has never changed. Your tire video; If you start talking like a politician, you must be a politician AKA sales person. All I hear is "you must believe me, I'm telling the truth..." You seem to make video's more to please the UA-cam algorithm than to be informative; a lot of your gear you make videos about, is sponsored, an easy money grab but far from objective... Pavlin, you have done some nice trips; if you want to help and inform people; be original about your story.
All of my videos are based on my own experience! Never said good or bad things, because I was or I wasn't sponsored. Most of my sponsors, became sponsors, because I used their gear for many year. Feel free to use or believe in whatever you like. Thanks for taking the time, anyway!
I didn't get your point Pavlin 😂 in first 5 minutes you're basically explaining that your video is pointless because subjective and you self don't trust any opinion except yours, so what is the point for viewers if they think like you..
To try it!
Tyres are not what they used to be. Car tyres would last 40k miles now half that. Rip off everywhere
Well...
Softer compounds, more grip. Astounding