I'm a guy who works in costume/wardrobe. Some women will not listen to me when I say that corsets were not torture devices created to oppress women. It's extremely frustrating. It makes me look like a dirtbag who defends horrific misogynistic practices.
I cannot count the number of times that I've attempted to educate on how corsets that are properly made and properly fitted should feel like a "snug hug." I cannot even imagine how much more difficult it would be for a man trying to educate on corsetry.😬
Great video! I'm a historical interpreter, and I love to talk about how our ancestors were not stupid! They had different resources and different ways of accomplishing their goals, but we all want the same things in the end.
Thank you so much. Yay historical interpreters!! And exactly this - pop history has a funny way of diminishing agency or minimizing the complexity of historical individuals. We’ve always been people - dynamic, yes flawed, but always capable.
34:47 I love how you had to eventually state 'uhh, they weren't stupid'. Too many pop historians infantilise subjects of the past in order to present a more head-turning account. Thanks for the wonderful video, I learned so much!
Just the idea of women doing laundry in corsets means that the idea that everyone was tightlacing is patently ridiculous. That was such a labor intensive task that there is no way that anyone would have put up with being perpetually out of breath
loving this video so far. it seems like stylish women couldnt catch a break what with people being so eager to blame every other health issue and what have you on the latest fashions. i was so excited to see another fashion history video upload !
I can't even express how happy I am to get to listen to you talk about... well anything really... but especially topics you're passionate about. Thanks for making my weekend! :)
Fantastic video! Nice to see someone actually talking sense about fashion history, corsets in particular. A lot of those images of "tight-laced" ladies are early photoshopping. Bernadette Banner has a great video about how they did it. Thanks a bunch!!
@@awalkthroughthetombstones thank you so much!! I actually originally had a section on early “photoshopping” methods but I ended up cutting it out. I’m sure her video on the topic is fantastic!
I'm generally more into military history but I think you've managed to make fashion history interesting for me as well. I also wanted to mention that around the 01:40 mark you may have accidentally said the painting of Marie Antoinette was done in 1873, which would probably have been far too late for it to have an impact on the slave trade, it didn't detract from my enjoyment of the video and I was hesitant to even mention it but I figured you might want to know about it.
@@Humorism1 Thank you for saying so - glad to hear it! And NOOOOO I meant 1783 haha I jumble up numbers sometimes when reading out loud 😭 that entire section is about the late 18th century. I can’t believe I didn’t catch that ahhh appreciate your letting me know
funnily enough both histories r very linked!! i had an introductory course on european fashion history a year ago, where i learned that quite a lot of the military clothes made it into being regular clothes, with the shapes being adapted so garments that would be worn under an armour, generally not visible, would become outside garments, which is fun!!
One important thing to remember is that, typically, the news that gets published published is stuff that sells. (I.e. stuff that’s either entertaining or outrageous.)
such an interesting set of topics! watching and listening to you explain things is always so enjoyable and i’m happy to say i learnt a lot from this video!💖 i hope the algorithm picks this one up too like it did with the unsolved mysteries one, since there’s so much good stuff in here that i still see being pedalled around in different circles😕
@@mamulju thank you so much for saying so!! The algorithm hasn’t quite figured me out yet but that’s okay 😭 and so true I constantly see viral videos sharing “shocking” fashion history “facts” that are just demonstrably untrue hahaha
Great video! I can imagine the types of messages they put on the busks, and it does sound like a very sweet and nice detail to gift to a loved one ❤. I really like how you ended the video discussing with a critical approach fashion history! very interesting how gender, "race", ethnicity, migration, class (and so on) are implicated in so complex ways influencing fashion in all directions, but as you mentioned, they carry power relations. Excellent video, thanks! loved your outfit here! very fitting ;) using a corset!
Thanks so much!! Ahh I just love the busks. I might do a little video focusing on them for February. Some of the messages are so beautiful and others, well, very suggestive hahah! And I appreciate that ♥️ one of my introductory courses was all about “framing” fashion history and different theoretical and practical approaches, how they evolved, etc. Really important stuff!
This was a great video! Super interesting and I love the way you explained everything. I was honestly quite taken aback when I saw only 600 views, I hope this video gets the recognition it deserves!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I’m actually working on finishing up a script on “death by crinoline” and the issues with primary sources and their biases (release date TBD). Great video!!
Re: fainting and swooning. I wonder how much was related to carbon monoxide poisoning. Gas lighting and the control and safety of the supply lines was terrible. Gas has no smell. The additive of scent wasn’t introduced until after 1935 because a gas leak in a school killed 200 teachers and students.
Imagine also a room full of candles and lots of people during a ball. I can believe that it can get stuffy and hot. Nowadays concert halls are heavily ventilated, but they weren't back then, imagine the amount of CO2 :S
There's an interesting anecdote about wet clothes in opera singer Emma Calve's memoirs: a sculptor liked to make some of his models pose in the revealing crinkly folds; she loved the effect so much when she saw his depiction of her as Ophelia that she decided to bring the technique to the stage. The hot lights caused such clouds of steam that the audience thought she was on fire and it nearly caused a riot.
So weird hearing how women are described with consumption. Crazy thing is, I kinda get it? One time during a major surgery I lost a lot of blood but was just barely outside the range of needing transfusions. In the days that followed I couldn’t believe just how ghostly pale I looked but also how clear my skin got? I don’t know if I just wasn’t producing enough oils or what but I truly had this eery porcelain doll complexion. I don’t recommend it.
Hahaha heavy on 10/10 don’t recommend 😭 that is truly fascinating and sounds really similar to what they were describing. Not that related, but I often like the way I look after I’ve been crying hahaha
Can you make a video on your fashion history degree? Why you chose it and how you feel about it now that you have graduated? Its really what I am passionate about but I have always been afraid of the limited options of jobs in life because of it. I actually am not sure what kind of jobs you can even secure with that degree! It’s simply what I enjoy though and I would really love to hear your input on it.
alicia, the other name u use for marie-antoinette's dress, is it "gaule"?? im french, but havent heard of that term yet, i have a hard time determining what it could be also i love ur Q necklace!! it reminds me that i recently told myself that the B necklace that anne boleyn had is the only accessory i can think of (one that is associated with 1 single famous person), that is centuries old, which has become a trend, as well as stayed one, centuries after its time, which i find interesting also on corsets for women, i think they always were patriarchal, in the sense that other than support, they also helped achieve fashionable silhouettes which were made in western societies where beauty standards were made by men. it makes sense for them to be one of the many tools of patriarchal societies, but it obviously doesn't mean ppl couldn't make it their own, n i think bras r in the same case. they also serve for support, but also create a certain shape + they also descend from corsets themselves so still have that patriarchal background. n they also serve the purpose of hiding the nipples, which i assume is also an arbitrary patriarchal standard of beauty we adhere to out of habit, again following what was done with corsets/stays/whatever came before
@melowlw8638 ahh yes it’s Gaulle!! Just another term for the chemise dress. Thank you so much! I believe I found it in Etsy - and sooo true. Such a fascinating history and woman.
I really like your delivery; alas, fashion isn't my thing. But I can watch that "Unsolved Mysteries" video of yours over and over. Can I talk you into doing more TV show retrospectives? You could do "Columbo" and even re-use the trenchcoat.
@aliciavquinn thanks for the Conversation, do you have a history of Suits styles for Men? Or is that a different Channels area of Exploration? Are you only Women Clothes because kinda makes me look like I'm just listening to you Talk. Sorry lol
Haha I just mean I don’t wish to humble!! My hope to have interesting conversations :) Hmm I have long been fascinated by the ways in which fashion reflects identity (individual, cultural, political, etc.) and I just adore history, art, and old, beautiful things
@aliciavquinn no it's humble of you to say that you aren't beautiful and the class you show in your explaining of a topic that could be labeled Boring. But it true is a foot hole in why the world changed the way it did. Fabric and style has lead the world down a plenty of wars , cease fires, agreements, without the Silk Road we wouldn't have the complete Bible so your passion for fashion is much useful. :) but favorite period of History? And changes in culture if I could pull your ear for a little?
@aliciavquinn I'm minimum effort. A Minister kind of a hothead someday. Easier to be at peace without worrying about the clothes would hate to have a job where I had to dress up to get respect. Influence of the Suit. Is a decent idea... but anyway sorry.
01:40 **1783** ahhh I jumble up numbers sometimes when reading sorry I didn’t catch that
Me too! Makes me feel better to know it happens to you too!
All the time!! Haha you are certainly not alone. I have mild dyscalculia so I wonder if it’s related at all?
@@aliciavquinnI was recently researching that for the first time! I think I may have it. It would certainly explain a lot haha😅
@@Syk5 so real!! I wish I had known what it was growing up 😭
I'm a guy who works in costume/wardrobe. Some women will not listen to me when I say that corsets were not torture devices created to oppress women. It's extremely frustrating. It makes me look like a dirtbag who defends horrific misogynistic practices.
Oh no!! There are just so many historical interpreters and makers who can verify the contrary. Anyway, you’re safe here haha.
I cannot count the number of times that I've attempted to educate on how corsets that are properly made and properly fitted should feel like a "snug hug."
I cannot even imagine how much more difficult it would be for a man trying to educate on corsetry.😬
Great video! I'm a historical interpreter, and I love to talk about how our ancestors were not stupid! They had different resources and different ways of accomplishing their goals, but we all want the same things in the end.
Thank you so much. Yay historical interpreters!! And exactly this - pop history has a funny way of diminishing agency or minimizing the complexity of historical individuals. We’ve always been people - dynamic, yes flawed, but always capable.
34:47 I love how you had to eventually state 'uhh, they weren't stupid'. Too many pop historians infantilise subjects of the past in order to present a more head-turning account.
Thanks for the wonderful video, I learned so much!
Exactly this!!! I’ve seen one too many viral videos over the years making absurd claims that are just demonstrably false hahaha
Just the idea of women doing laundry in corsets means that the idea that everyone was tightlacing is patently ridiculous. That was such a labor intensive task that there is no way that anyone would have put up with being perpetually out of breath
@@sarahwatts7152 exactly this!!
The makeup. The hair. The fit. Absolutely everything.
Oh thank you 😭♥️
loving this video so far. it seems like stylish women couldnt catch a break what with people being so eager to blame every other health issue and what have you on the latest fashions. i was so excited to see another fashion history video upload !
@alr49 truly 😭 Victorian physicians and antiquarians are the bane of my existence hahaha. Thank you for watching!!
I can't even express how happy I am to get to listen to you talk about... well anything really... but especially topics you're passionate about. Thanks for making my weekend! :)
After a pretty rough week, you have made my weekend 🥹♥️ your support means so much. Thank you!
Fantastic video! Nice to see someone actually talking sense about fashion history, corsets in particular. A lot of those images of "tight-laced" ladies are early photoshopping. Bernadette Banner has a great video about how they did it. Thanks a bunch!!
@@awalkthroughthetombstones thank you so much!! I actually originally had a section on early “photoshopping” methods but I ended up cutting it out. I’m sure her video on the topic is fantastic!
😂 The corset torcher complication! Ok, I’m subscribing lol
I couldn’t help myself 😭 happy you’re here!!
YESSS a new full video from the queen!! so pumped to eat my soup while watching this
@@spookyfrogs1874 aweee ily back!! Soup sounds perfect rn 🙂↕️
1:07 I would love a three hour long, in-depth video! Your videos are very fun to watch and very informative, thank you!
I'm generally more into military history but I think you've managed to make fashion history interesting for me as well. I also wanted to mention that around the 01:40 mark you may have accidentally said the painting of Marie Antoinette was done in 1873, which would probably have been far too late for it to have an impact on the slave trade, it didn't detract from my enjoyment of the video and I was hesitant to even mention it but I figured you might want to know about it.
@@Humorism1 Thank you for saying so - glad to hear it! And NOOOOO I meant 1783 haha I jumble up numbers sometimes when reading out loud 😭 that entire section is about the late 18th century. I can’t believe I didn’t catch that ahhh appreciate your letting me know
funnily enough both histories r very linked!! i had an introductory course on european fashion history a year ago, where i learned that quite a lot of the military clothes made it into being regular clothes, with the shapes being adapted
so garments that would be worn under an armour, generally not visible, would become outside garments, which is fun!!
@melowlw8638 Theres an easy pun about "common threads" that I could make, but it feels too easy.
Thanks for uploading this, really needed to watch something that wouldn't make my blood boil today!
@@regaltoast I hope it is adequate escapism for you!! Much needed today
@@aliciavquinn It was great escapism! My Minnesotan heart did love the "You betcha" when talking about heels for men too! 😁
One important thing to remember is that, typically, the news that gets published published is stuff that sells. (I.e. stuff that’s either entertaining or outrageous.)
Clickbait has always sold haha
such an interesting set of topics! watching and listening to you explain things is always so enjoyable and i’m happy to say i learnt a lot from this video!💖
i hope the algorithm picks this one up too like it did with the unsolved mysteries one, since there’s so much good stuff in here that i still see being pedalled around in different circles😕
@@mamulju thank you so much for saying so!! The algorithm hasn’t quite figured me out yet but that’s okay 😭 and so true I constantly see viral videos sharing “shocking” fashion history “facts” that are just demonstrably untrue hahaha
The Victorians would love tik tok and Pinterest so much
This was so interesting! And I love your outfit, so gorgeous
@@BryonyClaire thank you lovely Bryony!! 🥹
The Klaus moment cracked me up 😂
Hahahah 😭 I was like wait why am I talking about Klaus rn
Had a physical reaction to the green Amazon corset 💀
Trigger warning fr
You are easily one of my favorite UA-camrs I’ve watched. Your videos are so compelling and well-researched
I really appreciate that - thank you for watching!
Great video! I can imagine the types of messages they put on the busks, and it does sound like a very sweet and nice detail to gift to a loved one ❤. I really like how you ended the video discussing with a critical approach fashion history! very interesting how gender, "race", ethnicity, migration, class (and so on) are implicated in so complex ways influencing fashion in all directions, but as you mentioned, they carry power relations. Excellent video, thanks! loved your outfit here! very fitting ;) using a corset!
Thanks so much!! Ahh I just love the busks. I might do a little video focusing on them for February. Some of the messages are so beautiful and others, well, very suggestive hahah! And I appreciate that ♥️ one of my introductory courses was all about “framing” fashion history and different theoretical and practical approaches, how they evolved, etc. Really important stuff!
This was a great video! Super interesting and I love the way you explained everything. I was honestly quite taken aback when I saw only 600 views, I hope this video gets the recognition it deserves!
Oh thank you so much for saying so!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I’m actually working on finishing up a script on “death by crinoline” and the issues with primary sources and their biases (release date TBD). Great video!!
Re: fainting and swooning. I wonder how much was related to carbon monoxide poisoning. Gas lighting and the control and safety of the supply lines was terrible. Gas has no smell. The additive of scent wasn’t introduced until after 1935 because a gas leak in a school killed 200 teachers and students.
Imagine also a room full of candles and lots of people during a ball. I can believe that it can get stuffy and hot. Nowadays concert halls are heavily ventilated, but they weren't back then, imagine the amount of CO2 :S
!!!! Wow thank you for this
Loved the video. Would love a follow up on the same topic in the future.
Thank you!! I am sure there’s more out there
wake up babe new Alicia Quinn fashion history video
@@connerbdelgado awww shucks!!
This was really informative and also very charming! Thank you so much for posting it!
Thank you very much for saying so!!
Loveee a well researched and planned out video!!!! Awesome!
Yay! Thank you!
There's an interesting anecdote about wet clothes in opera singer Emma Calve's memoirs: a sculptor liked to make some of his models pose in the revealing crinkly folds; she loved the effect so much when she saw his depiction of her as Ophelia that she decided to bring the technique to the stage. The hot lights caused such clouds of steam that the audience thought she was on fire and it nearly caused a riot.
It really is a gorgeous effect in sculpting. And that’s so interesting!!! I must to that up!
My new favorite UA-camr and your dress is so pretty and so are you
thank you kindly!!!
@@aliciavquinn I swear you wear the cutest dresses
Been waiting for a new upload!
Thank you for watching ♥️ and sorry it’s taken me so long!! I had a very chaotic December hahah
@ don’t be sorry! Life gets in the way!
So weird hearing how women are described with consumption. Crazy thing is, I kinda get it? One time during a major surgery I lost a lot of blood but was just barely outside the range of needing transfusions. In the days that followed I couldn’t believe just how ghostly pale I looked but also how clear my skin got? I don’t know if I just wasn’t producing enough oils or what but I truly had this eery porcelain doll complexion. I don’t recommend it.
Hahaha heavy on 10/10 don’t recommend 😭 that is truly fascinating and sounds really similar to what they were describing. Not that related, but I often like the way I look after I’ve been crying hahaha
This was so enjoyable to watch ❤ More please 😌
Thank you!! Gladly 🥰
This video is so awesome! I love videos that will give me a new hyperfixation 😁 Thank you 💗
Thank you so much for watching! I’m honored to have bestowed a new hyperfixation upon thee!
Can you make a video on your fashion history degree? Why you chose it and how you feel about it now that you have graduated? Its really what I am passionate about but I have always been afraid of the limited options of jobs in life because of it. I actually am not sure what kind of jobs you can even secure with that degree! It’s simply what I enjoy though and I would really love to hear your input on it.
@@girlmeetsuniversse oh absolutely!! I’d be happy to make a video on this 😊
This was awesome thank you
Thank you for watching 🥰
alicia, the other name u use for marie-antoinette's dress, is it "gaule"?? im french, but havent heard of that term yet, i have a hard time determining what it could be
also i love ur Q necklace!! it reminds me that i recently told myself that the B necklace that anne boleyn had is the only accessory i can think of (one that is associated with 1 single famous person), that is centuries old, which has become a trend, as well as stayed one, centuries after its time, which i find interesting
also on corsets for women, i think they always were patriarchal, in the sense that other than support, they also helped achieve fashionable silhouettes which were made in western societies where beauty standards were made by men. it makes sense for them to be one of the many tools of patriarchal societies, but it obviously doesn't mean ppl couldn't make it their own, n i think bras r in the same case. they also serve for support, but also create a certain shape
+ they also descend from corsets themselves so still have that patriarchal background. n they also serve the purpose of hiding the nipples, which i assume is also an arbitrary patriarchal standard of beauty we adhere to out of habit, again following what was done with corsets/stays/whatever came before
@melowlw8638 ahh yes it’s Gaulle!! Just another term for the chemise dress. Thank you so much! I believe I found it in Etsy - and sooo true. Such a fascinating history and woman.
@@aliciavquinn thank u!! ill look up the term
I really like your delivery; alas, fashion isn't my thing. But I can watch that "Unsolved Mysteries" video of yours over and over. Can I talk you into doing more TV show retrospectives? You could do "Columbo" and even re-use the trenchcoat.
Thank you!! I definitely want to cover some more shows and films - especially ones that are nostalgic to me. I love a good retrospective
Congratulations 🎉
Alright awesome information 👏
Watched entire video
That’s awesome!! Thank you so much!!
@aliciavquinn thanks for the Conversation, do you have a history of Suits styles for Men? Or is that a different Channels area of Exploration? Are you only Women Clothes because kinda makes me look like I'm just listening to you Talk. Sorry lol
Alright let's go and humble
@@TBAT-d4e not necessary!
@aliciavquinn what? It's a compliment. And your fancy, so what's the True you, what made you start? On fashion?
Haha I just mean I don’t wish to humble!! My hope to have interesting conversations :) Hmm I have long been fascinated by the ways in which fashion reflects identity (individual, cultural, political, etc.) and I just adore history, art, and old, beautiful things
@aliciavquinn no it's humble of you to say that you aren't beautiful and the class you show in your explaining of a topic that could be labeled Boring. But it true is a foot hole in why the world changed the way it did. Fabric and style has lead the world down a plenty of wars , cease fires, agreements, without the Silk Road we wouldn't have the complete Bible so your passion for fashion is much useful.
:) but favorite period of History? And changes in culture if I could pull your ear for a little?
@aliciavquinn I'm minimum effort. A Minister kind of a hothead someday. Easier to be at peace without worrying about the clothes would hate to have a job where I had to dress up to get respect. Influence of the Suit. Is a decent idea... but anyway sorry.
Not the random TDS
I am happy. Very happy. Wanna get weird and share this with everyone ❤
You know what hell yeah