A New Contender for "Nintendo's Pettiest Takedown"?
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Also CORRECTION, Garry's Mod is published by Valve but developed by Facepunch Studios.
This was confirmed to be a troll post
Ok
Definitely the pinned-est comment of all.
@@tehabi 5:01
I feel like this could backfire into new legally distinct parody characters, like we can’t have Mario so now we have bario a plumber who smells.
This has gotta be as close as you can get to the “Nintendo destroys Italian orphanage that has a kid named Mario” meme
Patiently awaiting the day Nintendo copyrights the phrase “mama mia” and “it’s-a me…”
I’m joking but I’m also not joking
billy bat vibes
@SmokeyChipOatley I believe they would do that but they just might start WW3 doing that.
Nintendo sues a family for everything they own and will own for the next 50 generations because they heard that the family's 9 year old son briefly thought about a Sackboy dressed as Link
@@friday1764 "Now go and get your shine sprite"
Just a correction, Garry's Mod isn't made by Valve, but just has permission by Valve to use their characters.
Edit: Also, even if someone named "Aaron Peters" was sending false DMCAs, why hasn't Nintendo put out a statement saying "hey these takedowns weren't by us"
You sure? First time I've heard of this please explain further
Isn’t Garry’s mod a mod of Half Life 2?
It was developed by Facepunch and published by Valve
@@Chayusuizai Gmod started as a fanmade barebones sandbox mod for half-life 2, that allowed you to play with the games weapons and npc’s freely. Over the course of a couple years and a buncha updates it grew into something bigger and eventually they got Valve’s attention. They wanted to get the game on steam, and eventually were able to meet an agreement where the developer (facepunch) pays a license to let them use HL2’s assets, plus let anyone who owns the game to use other valve game assets (assuming they own them legally on Steam). Nintendo reached out to Facepunch, not valve.
@@AlexHyde666it is on valves platform, but they didn’t publish it. They gave facepunch permission to use the source engine assets and code via a paid license. Facepunch still are technically the publishers.
the thing that isn't mentioned with garry's mod addons (which is what all of these custom content is usually called), is that the workshop is relatively new, there's nothing stopping users from just hosting the models on other sites and other users just downloding and installing them manually, which is what we did before the workshop even existed.
So nintendo didn't even accomplish anything with this, they just pushed all the nintendo related addons to another site.
And once someone downloads them, they have them forever. Nintendo did literally nothing. It's like how AM2R is still widely available
@@mallow2902 Sure, but lets be real. This whole take down most likely came about cause a bot detected one person selling a nintendo model, so the 3rd party that usually handles these take downs contacted nintendo to get permission to issue said take down. The actual companies generally don't handle the takedowns and copyright themselves, there are dedicated third parties to do that for them.
What I dont understand is how Arlo manages to make a 16 minute video with such minimal research. Reiterating the exact same points over and over again and without actually getting into the details of what he is talking about.
Good
@@zackrose6261 You don't sell mods on the Gmod workshop, that's not how any of this works.
Small correction but feel like I should put it out there. Garry’s Mod (as is implied in the name) is a fan-created mod for Half-Life 2. Half-Life 2 is made by valve but Gmod is independent, published by facepunch. It started as a free mod for HL2 but then was given Valve’s permission to use their source engine assets via a paid license so they could publish Gmod on Steam as a standalone product.
I understand the confusion, as Valve has made efforts in the past to avoid getting in legal kerfuffles with Nintendo. Such as reaching out to the developer of the Portal64 port for their use and publishing of N64 libraries. But just know that it isn’t Valve that got DMCA’d, it’s Facepunch.
The actual issue was the libraries being used for the n64
The problem with Portal64 was using stuff from the N64 SDK that you can't just share the source of like the dev did, Valve has not prevented Xash3D on the PSP or Portal 1 on Android why would they care about Portal64 running on a modded console?
@@Fancy2209Real No, the problem is money ...
LOL the patents for N64 Hardware and N64 Game Cartridge have been expired for about 10 years.
@@NattiNekoMaid thx for this misremembered some stuff
I think the worst part of this take down is the fact that it’s only now after 18+ years of this content being safely used in Gary’s mod does Nintendo decide to issue the DMCA notice.
Doesn't all this stuff generally fall under parody anyway?
Frankly, if you're gonna let something go for nearly 20 years, you should resign any and all rights to it.
Nintendo assets had been used in Gmod for ages. Why now? Had a problem with it? Shoulda done something then.
Screw Nintendo, the bunch of little bitches.
So much for the Nintendo seal of approval, when others used the IPs anyways.
@@glitchy000I mean the content made with this those assets is fine sure… but the assets themselves definitely aren’t legally procured.
They did the same thing to SML
I swear that 8 out of 10 Nintendo stories can be summed up as "Come On, Man!"
10 out of 10, they're that petty.
And I'm fully aware this one probably ain't even Nintendo's doing.
Pretty much just a classic case of Nintendo being overly paranoid about what the internet does with their IPs. The fact that they took 18 years makes this even more baffling because it should be obvious to them that none of this was damaging their brand.
Nintendo was just waiting to send a very mean message to us all and then end it off with
You can't even boycott us, people will buy from us no matter what!
Just damaged the goodwill with fans further. I mean with Sony and Microsoft up in flames with their games and consoles, Nintendo is not that far behind.
@@normadgarmez7026 Everyone is falling off hard
Xbox: shutting down more companies
Sony: gatekeeping from foreign countries
Nintendo: being nintendo
@@chillbizz74which is true.
@@Greendawn-di3dl It sucks tbh
It feels like to me Nintendo's lawyers were bored and was like "Who's lives can we ruin today" while spinning a wheel of potential victims they can "Legally" bully to pull content from the fans and came across G Mod and was like "Perfect" while cackling like a bunch of Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains and send the message that ended nearly 20 years of fan driven content.
As long as these creators archive their Nintendo related works to hang onto privately then at least some of us can have a sigh of relief that hard work isn't lost, I believe there will be a day where Nintendo will be arrogant enough to lose and/or just get tired of doing these Takedown Notices that feel as petty more than anything else. Cause again you can't have the same group of lawyers for eternity something has got to give eventually.
I’m worried they may actually sue everybody who has emulated their games. Like even old ones. I mean maybe not cause like how are they going to know unless they resort to spying on their customers which idk might be a low they stoop to idk.
@@DaGhostToastRoast It's possible, also to make emulation Illegal would also make them and other companies selling official emulated ROMs like on the eShop, Xbox Live, PSN, Steam also Illegal since emulation is about tricking another machine to play a piece of software not originally made for it. So no one wins in that scenario.
You’re being dramatic Nintendo isn’t ruining any lives. Nintendo is protecting the IP you want to talk about ruining lives. Look at what Sony and Microsoft I’ve been doing closing down studios lane people off ruining peoples livelihoods. Don’t come to me with your BS saying Nintendo was ruining peoples livelihood with all they are doing is protecting their IP from illegal use.
This seems like a parody right out of a movie but I'd bet dollar to donuts that your depiction is at least 80% accurate ...
The only way Nintendo will stop doing this is if the idiots stop supporting them in their conquest heh
Nintendo has sued and lost before. That hasnt stopped them yet
A Kirby game I made in 2011 on Roblox was taken down last year lol
“Got your ass” - Nintendo probably
"We saved our brand guys lets go, that kirby roblox game was threatening our Kirby sales!"
-Shigeru Furukawa probably
@@darcidious99"shigeru furukawa" HUH?!!!!!!?
Proof?
@@hyldathehydreigon4116 Roblox came out 3 years before Minecraft lol
I never liked the argument of associating violent/lewd things with their IP because that's the type of thing that would make it closer to parody and therefore fair use!
Nintendo sells to family and kids first, gamers second. They won't let their IP be associated with anything that doesn't meet that brand requirement. And they're right to do so.
Perhaps, but given these parodies are made by puppeting official Nintendo assets ripped straight from their games, it's a bit more hazy
@@gaburrito07 the notion of Nintendo selling to family and kids is outdated. If you look at Darren’s door base for the switch it isn’t kids that’s fine. It’s families and young adults.
@@Adamtendo_player_1 Regardless, Nintendo has that image and reputation it has to protect. What I'm driving home is that not everyone in the world knows about games and gaming culture. Yet they form a huge chunk of the market. Nintendo has a right to protect how they're being perceived.
@@Adamtendo_player_1 an uninformed person could see the mod and immediately associate or think that Nintendo is up to no good. That's what Nintendo is protecting itself from.
If Nintendo cares SO much about their "precious" IP image, why did they permit Robot Chicken to do a violent Mario parody, and feature Robot Chicken again in a mainstream Nintendo E3?
Probably because the producers of robot chicken approached nintendo and requested permission which included details of how they would portray said ips (and likely paid them money)
Nintendos not against their ips being in other media, they just want it done legally. Story is that disney wanted mario and Luigi to appear in wreck it Ralph but it didn't fit in the budget, but they did get bowser for it and mentioned mario.
@@eeveeongirl Robot Chicken wouldn't need permission because parody copyright law protects them. Nintendo didn't go after Robot Chicken and subsequently approved them by featuring them in their E3 video.
Meanwhile, fan art, fan games, and GMOD gets targeted and destroyed by Nintendo. These fans in their basements don't have the resources to go to court with Nintendo or can't risk channel strikes.
@@Luxembourgish parody is a derivative work. If you do purely parody, it means that you don't get the profit. The copyright owner gets the profit you make. To avoid that, you ask for permission and come up with a contract, that way you can make money of it. Let's say robot chicken didn't ask permission, if Nintendo asks them to take it down, they have to or Nintendo can take them to court and demand compensation.
@@bern9642 I'm assuming you're talking about the UK or another European country, because over here in the US, that is entirely false. Weird Al Yankovich, for example, has been making parodies for decades. And he's making a living off of it. He only requests permission out of courtesy and respect from the artists that he parodies, and he signs no contracts when creating and selling his work.
@@one2many370 hmmm, you are very misinformed. weird al used to ask permission from labels because they usually hold the masters and copyright. but after an incident with coolio. he got permission from the label but coolio was unhappy with the song, he made sure to always also ask permission from artists as courtesy and respect to those artists.
regardless of that, he also does the paperwork, contracts and all. you do know if you ask someone for permission and the person says yes, that is a verbal contract right? nut weird al gets written permission as well.
Still waiting for Nintendo to take down all the Mario porn that exists. But I can just imagine them all sitting in a boardroom saying "that's the kind of copyright infringment we DO like!"
That will make us achieve world piece
There's entire (I think physical) Zelda mangas by 18+ authors lol
That wouldn't be too out of the question since Nintendo does own a Mario Porn Parody (Super Hornio Brothers if any of you are wondering) as a way of preventing distribution of it, go figure
idc about the mario stuff but the zelda stuff would just be devastating
@@fluffynator6222doujinshi is protected in Japan for some reason. I say for some reason because they're rather strict about IP in other areas but not manga pornography. Not to say it shouldn't exist.
nintendo try not to take down the most harmless transformative content that has their IPs in it challenge
Possible, since it was most likely a troll behind this
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I do not doubt Gary if he said the takedowns were verified I am sure of it he is a CEO of a company so he would know if it was Nintendo or not
"just delete the content, don't make this harder for valve"
>literally right after the community hated on the helldivers PSN situation hard enough to stop sony from going forward
The difference here is that the community action in the Helldiver case was action that hurt the bottom line of the company that's doing the shitty thing. With Garry's mod, continuing to spam/repost this stuff does nothing at all to Nintendo and makes facepunch's lives harder.
Ehh, can't think anything like that working on Nintendo. Like, compare how Nintendo and Sony reacted to all the backlash they received after annoucing the closure of one of their older console's online stores. Sony actually listened to the backlash and continued to keep that store online whereas Nintendo still went ahead with it, no matter how many fans complained.
@@faithgrins it’s Nintendo IP which was illegally used my fully Support Nintendo taking down this illegal mod including their IP in it.
@@Adamtendo_player_1Keep licking those corporate boots. Won't stop them stomping on you, too.
@@faithgrins Welcome to capitalism!
do nintendo not realize that people are just going to upload more nintendo assets into the game imediatley after
TFW you're too caught up in the high drama of this mysterious _Super Mario/Zelda_ crossover fan film to play attention to what Arlo's saying.
Someone tell me where that’s from I’m tryna find it
same, I kind of want to watch that now
Wario picking his nose and then wiping it on Waluigi was a nice touch
elaborate
I need to know what video that's from, im intrigued
I like the idea of them thinking SMG4 was a problem but now they’ll just use the 64 model permanently
The most recent SMG4 episode had a crap ton of Mario 64 used for it instead of GMOD, from characters to even backgrounds which hasn't been done substantially in years. I was wondering if it by any chance was related to this situation happening or if it's just because the video was a direct parody of Mario 64 itself and he just decided he wanted to be faithful and use the actual game again. If it's the former then...I hate to say it because the situation really sucks, but that would make me a little grateful for it lol, because I preferred the classic SM64 machinima style SMG4 used to do and would not complain having it be prominent again.
While I'm sure Nintendo is well aware of SMG4's existence I strongly doubt this is due to them. If they were after SMG4 they'd issue a DCMA against them directly. I'm aware of the lawsuit arc, but I think that was just an excuse to create new models.
My assumption is that after events like Plaworld and the Delta Emulator, they are on high paranoia levels. They can’t go after those big things directly, at least not without PR disasters, so instead they are going after smaller components of fandom that won’t cause as much an uproar. They recently DMCA’d a Pokemon Fan Game site, for instance.
They're still salty about Palworld? XD
Oh with palworld allegedly using their models as a base
One thing to note: Nintendo doesn’t actually care about emulators unless they make a profit. The only reason Dolphin got in trouble with them was they attempted to have it listed on Steam. And that Switch emulator from earlier this year/last year had a Patreon, plus it was being used for piracy. As for Palworld, I’m pretty sure they’ve moved past that completely after concluding that no assets were ripped and put into the game, just used as a point of reference to make characters. The only times where Nintendo actually cares about this sort of thing is if it eats into their revenue or if they have something in the works which is similar (such as Metroid: Samus Returns). And most studios are exactly like this
@@c0mpu73rguy They were never salty over Palworld, that's just what Twitter romanticised because they wanted to see some drama.
Nintendo just hates their fans, they pretend that they support them but they actually don't.
Gmod isn't the only game that has been getting DMCA'ed, Fraymakers and Tower Unite (At least from what I've heard) have had mods taken down too, but no mods from Rivals of Aether or A Hat in Time have been taken down, so it seems like they are going after games that have modding as a huge selling point
This whole thing is actually pretty depressing. I grew up on gmod and source memes and shitpost content, especially with Nintendo stuff (smg4 anyone? :D) so seeing all of these mods just disappear is just really saddening. Like your hometown getting rid of the playset you always used when you were a kid at the park to make room for a parking lot. RIP ridiculously huge Mario and Luigi gmod player models with arms that clip through the body
I personally preferred SMG4 when he made his content largely in Mario 64 instead of GMOD, only using the latter when he needed/wanted to for something, but it still really sucks regardless.
They are not gone they just aren't on the official storefront... Which makes complete sense.
Nothing has disappeared
At this rate, Nintendo's gonna hunt down a kid playing with a Mario or Pikachu toy.
That joke's getting old and annoying at this point
This example doesn’t make sense
* Bootleg Mario and Pikachu toy
They make their own merch
Cool to see SMG4 footage in an arlo video!
Yeah Super Mario Galaxy 4 was an underrated classic
@@lpnp9477 lol
A read the title as "Nintendo's prettiest takedown". I was confused
If it's any comfort I've heard that some GMod players have already backed up and archived every Nintendo asset ever put into the game, thank goodness.
This may not be as bad as it may seem, you can still have Nintendo in your GMod stuff but you'll just have to know a guy to get it from I guess.
Try as Nintendo might they CANNOT and WILL not remove gaming history! GModers are simply too strong! ✊
Until valve goes scorched earth on them.
Yeah, we're in a Discord server that's backing a ton of addons up. I also have a bunch of backups stored locally on my own computer too, I had to free up a ton of space and re-install GMOD since I hadn't played it in 2 years but it's worth it.
@@mrconroy4672 If it's out of their legal responsibilities they won't care.
@@scrittle It’s only a matter of time before that’s possible.
@@mrconroy4672 Harbor, fair use and parody laws beg to differ
Pokemon DMCA'd a Minecraft mod, Pixelmon. It had been around for years, but no longer fine.
... Like a year and a half later, Pokemon Quest came out -- with Pokemon in a very blocky, Minecraft-ish style.
I have to assume they cared only when they started serious development on something they figured might be mistaken for their official product.
I mean, that's basically the situation with AM2R. Based on the timing, it really does seem that the only reason they issued a takedown request of someone's free high-quality fan remake was because they had their own $40 high-quality remake of the same game in production. (And it sure was nice of them to wait until after the release, when they had plenty of opportunity to do so beforehand.)
I kinda wonder if asking for verfification might have doomed them. The way copyright law works, explicitly confirming you're okay with something can risk ownership over your IP in a way that simply ignoring it doesn't. Companies can theoretically lose their trademarks if a court can prove they knew about trademark violations and chose not to protect them, if a company simply ignores it they can claim ignorance.
Moon channel has an excellent video about why Nintendo is so overprotective of its IP
Arlo: "Don't put up a fight. just make it easy."
Meanwhile the Helldivers 2 community:
That aside, thankfully most of the mods that were taken down can be found on other sites, just sucks they aren't in a central hub anymore.
So many animators got a start with this kind of stuff, shame it happened regardless. At least GMod itself wasn't taken down.
Literally apples and oranges here.
In the case of Helldivers, Sony *LIED* to the public in saying linking/creating a Sony account with the game being sold on platforms other than PlayStation was optional at launch, then suddenly started requiring it a few months later after people bought it. Textbook case of Bait and Switch. That is illegal.
In this case, Nintendo has an air-tight claim against people illicitly taking assets of theirs (the video literally shows the Mario model from Super Mario 64 doing the very things he does in that game) and putting it into another game *which you have to purchase to access* . Nintendo clearly doesn't have an issue with Garry's Mod itself (as it is someone else's property), only with the ripping of their assets and putting it into another piece of software you pay someone else to get.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW Makes sense, but still sucks regardless. Would that be the reason why SFM wasn't hit then since SFM is freeware?
They wouldn't have been able to take down Gmod as a whole even if they wanted to, everything in the base install is either original or owned by Valve
@@Helios2737 Makes sense.
Well, Nintendo succeeded in two things: Making themselves look awful again, and reminding everyone that GMod still exists. It hasn't been relevant for at least a decade, nobody remembers it. I feel like there is a legal case to be had here against Nintendo, because for 20 years they failed to file a claim and I feel like there has to be some limit of time where they lost their chance to do something. 20 years is just excessive, they can't have just now learned about this when it was at it's peak relevance ages ago.
Also, this just highlights yet again how stupid copyright laws are. Nobody is profiting from this, nobody profits from most fan projects. If someone wants to put together a little Mario game to share online for free, why is that illegal? Fan art isn't illegal, fan films are not illegal, why are fan games illegal?
....youre really gonna say gmod is irrelevant when skibidi toilet exists?
No, a ton of people remember Gmod. It's not some forgotten game. Many people who played it years ago still play it to this day, it being "forgotten" isn't the sort of issue that Gmod has with its popularity. The issue is that it isn't getting any fresh blood.
I’ve heard Japanese copyright law is VERY strict. Honestly, I’m surprised they’re allowed to make doujinshi (fan comics) with how seriously Japan takes copyright. Like, it’s a whole different world there.
@@2-Way_Intersection To be fair, Skibidi Toilet is actually Source Filmmaker, not Garry's Mod (still derived from Half-life 2 of course).
Really, this is less about Nintendo being awful and more about US copyright law being so woefully inadequate.
he'll even if it was originally fake but valve had to get in legal contact with Nintendo about it they might of used it as an excuse to make a real claim
Exactly what I was thinking!
It was never fake bro
the most worrying thing about this situation is that this could extend to other platforms.. .what if one day Nintendo asks VRChat to remove all nintendo-related avatars?
That's a bit of a stretch.
But what's stopping them
Yeah I was just playing VR Chat and would suspect that to be a risk. Honestly, the impression to me is that VR Chat may be next.
I'm honestly surprised VRChat has gone this long without any sort of legal pressure, even long past its peak and with its controversies.
@@user-zw3on4bx2tIt's not a stretch, Nintendo could very well do it.
I wish you had linked the videos you used footage with because I want to watch some of those animated ones now
Same. The one with Mario in Zelda looked interesting.
Hearing Arlo use the word “lewd” is so cursed
The clips of Mario characters just falling down things ragdoll style is hilarious in the context of this video.
Additional bit of context for the Aaron thing: this specific person posing as a Nintendo Lawyer has been a recurring issues for years. He randomly strikes digital artists who draw Nintendo related content taking advantage of the fact that most sites have automated systems that nobody checks which leads to whole accounts getting suspended for no reason. I personally got my twitter account suspended because of this dude back in 2019 and i'm not the only one who's suffered through that so now every time there's a news about Nintendo sending C&D over something very minor (like in this case) a lot of people are trained to expect that there's a 50/50 chance that it's just Aaron again.
The obvious thing is if they waited this long that means something happened that forced their hand. People just ignore that there are a lot of highly publicized projects that are largely ignored by Nintendo until they go viral and get a ton of media attention because companies can and have tried to get access to Nintendo's IP before by claiming they don't adequately defend their copyrights and trademarks and if that can be proved then Nintendo can lose the right to stop other companies from using them
Sega is fine with Sonic fan stuff.
But anything else owned by Sega and Atlus will be just as if not more brutal than Nintendo.
Think might be because at this point Sega knows that the Sonic fandom is so massive and is basically impossible to stop that they've just given up.
@@OstianOwl Sonic has always been intended to be an edgy and more adult character that is allowed to do cool and adult things.
It just fits his brand, that's the only reason they don't care.
Mario is supposed to be a perfect little angel with no personality other than saving the princess.
Sega does what Nintendont... fuck I hate how true this is.
Sega doesn't care unless you're making money on it.
Moonchannel had an interesting video on that topic.
comes down to what SegaSammy finds useful in terms of PR.
The old businessman at Nintendo just seem to go on these streaks of arrogance when they tell their lawyers to search and destroy anything that even remotely detracts from the bottom line.
it literally isnt even arrogance. Its just IP protection
@@ShurikanBlade Yeah protection against things that barely matter if at all.
Or, you know, there's the arrogance in assuming your conception of "freedom" should be imposed on people of other cultures who don't share it.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW And by that logic they shouldn't impose their concept of "freedom" on us.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTWI don't think I've ever seen a more hypocritical statment in my life, I'm actually impressed.
What I find the most egregious is that Nintendo wants EVERYTHING related to them taken down, even if the addon in question is an original creation and not taken from one of their games. It's on the level of taking down fan-art and UA-cam videos again. Not to mention, the random striking of content regardless of age or platform is probably a tactic to keep people afraid. Like you said, it obviously is not a substitute for actual games and doesn't affect them monetarily. It's just about having control over how people interact with their products. Companies should not have that level of power over their consumers.
man, we are close to the point that nintendo will break a kids arm for drawing mario, holy nuts.
If they're taking stuff like this down, what's stopping them from taking animations of their characters down? Or the many pieces of "fanart" as well? This is a worrying precedent and it genuinely needs to be fought against.
Question tho, how you able to screw with the laws of another country?
I feel that even if a famous artist painted Mario, Nintendo’s legal department would complain. Nintendo are like Bubbles from Finding Nemo: “My bubbles!”
What if Aaron Peters was impersonated themselves?
I think a very important nuance to this situation is that only Steam Workshop Nintendo items are being taken down.
When Garry's Mod came out in 2006, there was no "Steam Workshop" for hosting modded content. Instead, community servers would facilitate hosting modded content themselves.
In 2011, Steam Workshop became a thing and Valve started offering means of hosting modded content *themselves*. On their own servers.
When one billion dollar corporation starts hosting another's copyrighted content, I can see Nintendo feeling like Valve is benefiting by having Nintendo mods so out in the open like that.
Decentralized servers hosting modded Nintendo content will still probably live on, like in the old days. That's the benefit in how these old games gave far more freedom to the end user to make the game their own.
A lot of the time, I genuinely wonder, like,
How many of these DMCA's are coming from incredibly trigger-happy lawyers, and whether even the higher ups are even aware of these before such projects get shut down?
Not a lawyer and I don't have direct experience in this world, but my understanding is that most legal departments in companies act independent of executives/higher-ups. In the eyes of those executives, such ignorance on their part indicates that things are running smoothly because they would rather not get inundated with reports about everything that their legal team has to strike down or negotiate, unless those things have to do with the company in some direct fashion (such as negotiating licensing deals and whatnot). Which makes plenty sense when you realize that such occurrences might number in the hundreds over the course of a couple years.
The only times that higher-ups will directly involve themselves in stuff like these take-downs would be if they feel that public outcry against them is too much to ignore. See Disney's higher-ups attempting to reach out to the family who were told to scrap their son's Spider-Man gravestone after the public called Disney out as evil. Had that PR kerfuffle never occurred, their lawyers preventing the family from honoring their boy as they pleased would have never landed on any of the executives' desks.
The best GMod videos are the ones with TF2 characters and Nintendo music as the bgm.
The ONLY correct response to a takedown notice from Nintendo (or any company/government) is a firm "no" followed by the natsuki "go fuck yourself" meme.
Nintendo rarely if ever comments on these things and it's disastrously bad for their public relations. The thing is that they may well have had a good reason to issue the DMCA; Nintendo rarely cares about emulation or character copyright infringement (Like has been said, Garry's Mod has unofficially had Nintendo characters in it for decades) but what they do care about is their software security.
So for example with Yuzu a few months ago, the report is that Nintendo took down that emulator and sued them for 2.4 million dollars. What's missing is the why, in that Yuzu admitted to forcibly breaking Nintendo's encryption and securities in order to make their emulator work. I suspect something similar happened here, in that people likely started uploading assets and proprietary code for Nintendo characters that had originally been encrypted and secured.
Ultimately, if that was the case and Nintendo's proprietary code was used in Garry's Mod assets (and this is only speculation that it was, to be clear) then a DMCA was probably one of the *better ways* this could have gone for Garry's Mod.
Proprietary code wouldn't have been a thing, all these are are models and stuff, but yes many of the models are ripped directly from Nintendo's own games.
For a week one of the top rated mod was a mad called Nintendo Headquarters and it was just a small sad room with a toilet in it... that should be enough to say how people reacted to this
I really like your profile. It's one to remember.
Evidently Nintendo execs would make good politicians given how much they let us all down
1:45 wasn't expecting the vanoss crew here
One thing I like about the internet, is when it refuses to allow someone to have a petty victory. AM2R is probably the best example when it comes to Nintendo. For years they completely ignored the so well loved Metroid 2. After 10 years of one lone fan working on his own remake of it Nintendo ordered a cease and desist on him after he had already completed the game and released it. He's no longer able to do any updates and Nintendo unsurprisingly has ordered takedowns of the game every where. Only for a fan of the game to re-upload it so more can download it. Nintendo isn't going to win this fight no matter how hard they try.
Having been a long time Nintendo fan, my view on this company has grown more sour over the past couple of years, and I feel this has been a major turning point for me on how I view them from now on.
In the past yeah they'd take down fangames and that really sucked (still does), but it ended up being expected after a while; it was a boundary that people learned not to cross. But stuff like the shutdowns of online tournaments during COVID, taking down a Mario 64 guide that is OUT OF PRINT, and going right for the throat of emulation and game preservation really makes it hard for me to owe them any of my care.
Why as fans should we give them our time and energy if they're so willing to burn it? I wouldn't even call this GMod situation "petty"...it's evil.
Welcome to the league of extraordinary burned Nintendo fans. We bitch and moan and buy Nintendo games.
You wanna talk about "petty takedowns" on Nintendo's part? Look no further than a channel called Rimea, who ALMOST risked getting his channel terminated all because of Nintendo copyright claiming some of his Mario Wonder modding videos...
Same thing happened to PointCrow, just with BotW mods
They're such fucking babies holy shit
@@BlakeTheBloker didn't pointcrow pay thousands of dollars for the mod to be made?
@@theanimeditor6400 So what? it’s a mod made for the game. You should be allowed to mod the game if you own it. And if PointCrow is going to commission a mod then I’m certain he’s bought the game
@@BlakeTheBloker bruh it is literally against their guidelines. and mods should not have to be paid for to exist in general.
Nintendo be like: "Fan content is ILLEGAL"
But no seriously, Gmod has been around 2006, TWO-THOUSAND-AND-FLIPPING-SIX, and Nintendo content has been made for it since the beginning and NOW Nintendo is being like "We want it gone, it's hurting our business, somehow" Really? I don't understand why Nintendo feels they have to take down ANY use of their content in ANY form EVERYWHERE that isn't inside Nintendo's own walls, why the FANS have to be subjected to the same kind of copyright nonsense as a triple A studio where if they want to make anything even REMOTELY nintendo related, they better be prepared to make a whole new IP with brand new levels and music and 100% original assets from the ground up even if they are like 11 years old and just learning to program by adding Kirby to Roblox or something, it is ridiculous! Man, i love nintendo and i don't wanna see them fail or anything but at the same time, whenever they are doing financially well, they always start treating their fans like this over the smallest of tiny little things, and i kinda hope their next console isn't exactly a Wii U style blunder, but i kinda hope it does fail JUST enough where Nintendo is forced to treat their fans better like they supposedly did during the Wii U era, as i have heard, because as much as i love them, they need to stop doing this, because this is just ABSURD!
Even with the fact that people can just post their content elsewhere if they can find somewhere discreet enough where Nintendo can't find them so easily, that still doesn't change how ridiculously unfair this whole situation is, this and the thing about how you are basically not allowed to play Nintendo games at events anymore
Part of me almost kind of hopes that, just because of this bullshit, and the apparent news that nintendo is probably gonna try taking down any content that talks about unused content in Nintendo games, which is EXTREMELY JUST... WHY????? WHY ARE THEY SO DESPERATE TO MAKE IT SO NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING EVER WITH NINTENDO STUFF EXCEPT PLAY IT ONCE NORMALLY AND THEN NEVER AGAIN IN ANY INTERESTING OR COOL WAY, WHY ARE NINTENDO SUCH JERKS... Anyways, part of me kind of hopes, as possibly overkill and mean as it is for me to say this, that they just never have another Success like the Switch again, because every time they succeed this hard and make a bajillion dollars, they always go out and just absolutely go medieval on their fans that are making fan content of almost any kind, i kinda just want them to have just enough to stay afloat and be able to afford making these amazing games we all love so much, but also still just really not doing nearly as well as their competitors, if this is how they are going to behave when they are successful, then maybe it'd be best if they just kept having these massive failures forever from now on while still having just enough to not go out of business and still be able to afford making awesome games, maybe that would be the best thing for their image, if they were FORCED to keep their fanbase from leaving by giving them all the nice treatment all the time so they feel more enticed to stay with them and buy their games for their failed consoles.
Sega should come out and say like 'feel free to use sonic in garys mod forever '
Again, have to reiterate, the Japanese have a different conception of property rights and especially intellectual property rights since their culture is very much steeped in a Mercantilist artisan/trade secret business attitudes and a Shinto/Buddhist conception of culture wherein even immaterial things that belong to a people are the property of that people.
The Japanese don't have a "liberal" socio-political ideology as part of their culture, certainly not a Continental "Enlightenment" French one.
Yea I'm not taking my stuff down, if it gets deleted I'll just be reuploading it.
Based
Honestly I'm kind of in the camp that this wasn't Nintendo's doing. Whenever Nintendo takes down something (whether you like it or not), there's usually a reason in the background they do it. These takedowns also lined up with the reports of trolls false flagging things. And before you say "Garry himself said it was Nintendo" he made a follow-up statement questioning the situation. Other Nintendo franchises that aren't Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, etc such as Star Fox, F-Zero, or Punch Out still have a lot of mods on the workshop too, some of them dating all the way back to 2012. And some non Nintendo addons are getting taken down too like Sonic, Pac Man, original fan models, and even Mickey Mouse characters. I'm not denying it was Nintendo. Some of this stuff makes me think it wasn't them.
Arlo using footage from the Vanoss Crew and SMG4 was certainly an unintentional crossover I didn't expect. but I found that kinda funny
Nowadays, it feels like Nintendo is just a legal department with a video game developer attached on the side.
Every time a Nintendo fan says "i can kinda see where they're coming from", I just wanna tell them to shut up.
I know right? Especially in this case, since Arlo is literally just making these kind of videos for attention.
@@PJCVita92 wdym?
@@OmegaChase1002 Arlo is a famous UA-camr who gets a lot of attention and from the videos he makes. And he makes money off them too. You do the math. He literally just makes this stuff for attention and money. And it's obvious given how much of hypocrite he is, considering he calls Nintendo petty for taking fan stuff down when, based on the third video before this one and some of his other more self contradictory videos are, he'd literally do the same if he were in Nintendo's shoes.
I mean, even in this video, you quoted it yourself, he literally said "i can kinda see where they're coming from" right? Doesn't that sound a lot like agreeing with Nintendo's decision to you? Isn't that like literally the whole reason why you stated that you just wanna tell "Nintendo fans" like him to shut up? I thought that was kinda literally what you meant. That you thought he talking a bunch nonsense and you want to tell him to shut up. Guess I was wrong or I just misunderstand comment as though you were serious.
I apologize if you were just being sarcastic. You're comment didn't sound at all like satire to me. My bad.
@@PJCVita92 oh i wasnt sarcastic
it's Nintendo half of their technology is going to be decades behind everybody else, so of course they wouldn't know about a game like Garry's mod for 2 decades lol
Nintendo only want their fans to engage with Nintendo games in the specific way that Nintendo allows.
Fans: "We love Mario 64!"
Nintendo: "Great! Here's a bare-bones port to the Switch 2. Get buying!"
Fans: "But what about the enhanced version Modders made?"
Nintendo: "Hit that with a big fat DMCA this morning."
Fans: "But..."
Nintendo: "Oh, and the port is limited time only and full price. Better hurry!"
How long ago did Supermariologan get forced to not use Mario plushies? Cause Nintendo told them to stop so they already know people made fun content with Nintendo IPs. Now they’re slowly spreading out to make everyone stop using their stuff.
Nintendo doesn't love their fans. They love their fans' money.
They don’t even love that considering they use it to just attack random people and companies
They don't need the fans money anymore they have casual gamer money the likes they haven't seen since the early wii days
@@AlphaladZXA So true
Let's correct that. Cause that every corporation. That's their job after all.
@@ReikuYindon't normalize bad behavior
I do love when Arlo throws a really fitting analogy to the situation that I could never come up with but makes SO much sense.
Like the cooks making tacos. And now the old man bulldozing the lawn playground. Hahaha
I don’t disagree that this is a bad look for Nintendo with all the stupid stuff they do take down but to me, this is fully within their rights. I don’t know why you’d think you could get away with putting their characters and models in a game where you can make anything happen, like idk what I’m missing here. The “why now” is the question I’m most curious about.
I think the book was way more petty. The gmod content can seriously damage the brand if something goes viral in the wrong way. Like lets say that someone recreates the 911 attack in gmod with Nintendo characters flying the planes. Some old boomer see's that then starts spreading false information that Nintendo was making light of the tragedy. That is a completely understandable and justifiable reason to take the content down. Is it stupid? Yes but we are talking about Nintendo. The book on the other hand was literally a copy of an out of print book from 20 years ago.
What book?
@@mushroomfusion245the mario 64 guide that was mentioned in the video
Sure but... it's been 2 decades. I guarantee it's already out there and has been for years
To understand this whole Nintendo-like stuff of restricted IP protection i recomend watching the moony channel. The guy is a lawyer and i saw many of his videos about this and explained why is Nintendo so overprotective with their ip's. Is because they might loose it if they don't watch their steps.
For example Sega could loose all of sonic's owning because of a non-contracted manga drawing of a guy that tried to keep the characters copyrighted. Also Moony talked how at the cost of terrible sonic games and threat of the mascot, the fans are allowed to do whatever they want with it and seem to have no restrictions. But that's because some Japanese "pachinko" folks bought part of the ip's to hide a gambling bussines, and they don't seem to really care about sega or Sonic. (SegaSammy)
Seriously i recommend getting as much info on these things because we complain a lot but we don't really know the implications of having what we have.
That's really only for abandons properties or like with Sega, they only care if you're making money on it.
Another correction, Nintendo didn't issue this takedown. There is a troll out there who goes around issuing takedowns with Nintendo's name. They did the same thing to G8lvaSunner
I really don't think that'd a confirmed case, but even if that was the case, that doesn't stop the fact that when they reached out to confirm anyways, Nintendo put their foot down.
@@tripleaaabattery8480 This is why you just ignore copyright claims and keep doing what you're doing
@@orsonzedd surely that's not gonna have consequences later
Never thought I'd see Vanoss and SMG4 videos used as b-roll for an Arlo video
Arlo dismissing the Arron claims and going on about his ethical dilemmas on the takedown was simply lazy. There was more to this, but Arlo just wanted to echo the hot topic, spew some self-reflective nonsense and make a quick buck. For shame.
is EVERY console publisher just making their worst decisions ever right now?
Microsoft: Shuts down 4 companies including Hi-Fi Rush developers despite saying they need small games that bring awards
Sony: Nearly kills the Helldivers 2 community and loses all goodwill with the PC playerbase
Nintendo: Killing all nintendo related content on Gary's mod and shutting down Yuzu
I really don't think Yuzu is on the same level as those other things, at all.
@@TriforceWisdom64exactly. Yuzu was being used to pirate games and had a Patreon tied to it. While Nintendo has gone overboard in protecting their IPs on multiple occasions, I wouldn’t consider this to be one of those times. Besides, technically speaking any content made in GMOD using assets not made by Valve is a violation of copyright unless those publishers have Facepunch permission.
The economys predictable cycles under capitalism really be a b****. Companies must continue to artificially increase income/decrease loss to ultimately regrow and continuously demonstrate "growth" when in fact their catalogue or offerings haven't grown, but their assets & valuation have.
@@TriforceWisdom64
Citra is the real loss,
Yuzu being DMCAed makes sense looking into how much they provoked them, Citra was THE 3DS emulator and offical 3DS is now freshly defunct.
Doesn't this technically count as fan content under fair use? But despite possibly being in the legal right, you know they can't hope to fight this case against such a huge corporation anyway. It just...seems like quite a shoddy thing to do.
I can see where Nintendo is coming with this one because of Mario Odyssey, specifically New Donk City. The city scale looks somewhat realistic, the full-sized humans look somewhat realistic, so if a video went viral of Mario suddenly "discovering" a perverted dungeon of some kind in the depths of New Donk City, that would put a heavy dent in Nintendo's reputation for years to come by parents who are only tangentially paying attention to their kids' gaming habits & what could realistically be found in Mario game. Not to mention the ocean of phone calls, tweets, emails, etc.
Welcome to 2024 in the gaming industry. 2023 was a huge year now all we get is studios being closed. Nintendo and Sony seem to not have any aaa ip coming out. Just remasters. Ff7 rebirth was the biggest game of the year. I thought the $70 games would save gaming?? Sony is stupid if they are going to release a faster ps5 this fall and have 0 new games to show it off on.
SMG4 seems safe though! 😥
Backed up his assets.
They won’t even use those anymore anyways. They are already slowly moving away from Mario. In a few years. Mario won’t even be a main character. Or a character
@@sahaprocks7751 did you see their most recent episode? It was Mario 64 themed.
They can't get rid of Mario. People would riot.
@@jeremyzapsmash Ok. But a bunch of Mario characters aren’t main characters anymore. Plus with Meggy, Bob, Fishy Boopkins and SMG4’s redesigns and all the new original characters, they’re definitely still moving away from Mario and Nintendo.
Mario and Nintendo are still a focus but less than before for me. Plus their content is just worse. Less funny. I stopped watching regularly a long time ago.
@@sahaprocks7751 all true until you said that his content is just worse.
@@jeremyzapsmash People have definitely already explained why his content is worse and I agree. Fine if you disagree
I know Nintendo is like the boogeyman of the gaming world but I think it's sad that people are out here making gross things with their characters. I think if people weren't being gross it never would have come to this.
I can think of at least one person who's use of a mario player model may have carried a brand-tarnishing notion....
I blame Min.......I mean........Pablo.
There is a video from Moon Channel that provides some insight into why Nintendo might be so paranoid and protective of their intellectual property. I recommend you check it out.
Yes, please! As I was watching this video, I kept responding that Arlo would have so many answers if he understood Nintendo's approach to protecting their intellectual property and subsequently protecting themself due in part to the Universal case and later on, Sega's IP scare with those comic book Sonic characters from the Penders case. That's discussed in the excellent Moon Channel video. I think Arlo once referenced that channel, but it was a different video.
Anyway, Nintendo, like Disney, will do whatever it takes to make sure no one else can claim ownership of their IP per IP law. Losing their IP does far more damage than the risk of not being able to sell an old strategy guide, among other things. Their logic appears to be "if someone does anything with Nintendo IP without permission, they can claim ownership of said IP and we're at risk of losing Mario or Link" e.g. Other companies appear to work with IP law a bit more loosely. It's not user friendly, but seeing that perspective at least allows us to understand Nintendo's approach whether we like it or not. If anything, it should make us want a change in IP law, protecting companies and benefiting artists and end users, that allows Nintendo and others to retain ownership of their IP while allowing anyone else to use IP under certain specific circumstances such as fan art.
He's a really good lawyer and I love how absolutely honest he is
"They have spoken with someone at Nintendo"
I have a theory that Nintendo found out about g mod from Aaron Peters and made their own takedown notice.
Nintendo knew about Garry's Mod for years
Okay so someone thinks sarcasm is gonna deter the point here, so let's reword it. GARRY'S MOD IS 20 YEARS OLD. It is one of the most notorious PC games in history. Nintendo knew about it for years. Duh. The fact people liked this post acting as if it's not the case, is cope.
@@aardvarkyo I had an anerism trying to figure out what you're saying especially with that run-on sentence.
Yall, i dont think aaron was involved this time....
@@Getlucky12yeah, theres no way they couldnt have
That clip from GMod Idiot box, of Mario crashing into a kids house sitting on them and sueing their @$$ and their balls for making something.
That's what this is.
Also i wonder what this means for people whove built themselves up on parody? Like SMG4
Honestly not surprised, User controlled sandbox games are on the rise, if Nintendo doesn't start objecting to it it could spiral fast and they might lose control of their IP
It's literally a copyright troll also nice robot chicken refrence. Pay particular attention to the email gary mentions somebody asked nintendo and they've admitted it wasn't one they've ever used so basically it's someone being petty but nobody has the stones to contest the DMCAs since it requires leaking to the troll.
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begone BOT
Okay, I absolutely have to know what the footage where Ganondorf is talking to Wario and Waluigi is from. 😂😂😂 They’re looking for Zant?!?!
When I worked at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park there was a rule where we couldn't point to give directions, We had to point with our whole hand instead because at some point someone from another country got offended at "Pointing"
If Nintendo is taking down all of these things because they think it makes them "look bad" then it reminds me of rules like this that are so absurd it just makes the company look stupid.
Sorry Arlo, you are bit late to the party on this one. When other UA-camrs have already discussed this two weeks ago. Not trying to be rude just wish you were ahead on the news.
To play devils advocate, there are pretty big creators using this content to make stuff not exactly brand safe (though i don't mean NSFW). I can see why they would do this, but why not just go after the people making the content? Thats obviously still not a good thing, but those creators still have this content
the whiplash i felt at seeing arlo say "it's just playing!" seconds before roy koopa exploded into blood and organs on my screen
Is this because they realized gmod already made TotK 20 years ago?
Cough cough Aaron Peters cough cough
This is the earliest I've ever been to one of Arlo's videos lol
Same
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Nintendo execs are just leaning into being evil after their ridiculous early shut-downs and the "backlash" they received.
It's no secret that no matter how terrible they behave and treat their community, they will have their money, and with the law on their side: their pride as well. There is exactly nothing we can do about it and Nintendo knows, and loves to remind the "woke" ones as often as they can. They're just playing with us at this point. They've declared war on a ton of people for "playing" (as Arlo puts it so well) and they have all the weapons. They're that kid who's got the cool stuff at their house, and invites you to play. You guys go and play trucks, which you LOVE. An hour into the playdate he GIFTS you one of his trucks: your favorite one. It's going great, but 2 hours into playing trucks, you start playing ambulance when Nintendo wanted us to play firetrucks. So he starts screaming at you to give him his truck to get his way. He doesn't like to see hits old truck get used how he doesn't like. So Nintendo screams and screams until his mom comes into the room in a hurry. Nintendo knows how to get his way. "Hargle won't give me my truck!" Playdate is over, his mom is mad, I'm mad, my own mom is mad. Nintendo keeps their truck and is feeling awful proud of themselves. Only the worst part is Nintendo has so many other friends who will play trucks exactly how they tell them to, and will never go without as a result.
Blame whatever legal team they have. Their job is to take down things they deem illegal. Sure it’s probably still their fault for hiring a team that’s so insane but they would still find those things illegal too.
This probably goes without saying, but if you're taking your own content off of the Steam Workshop, archive _everything._ That way, if by some miracle the decision gets reversed, you can put it back up with minimal hassle.
(...And stash it elsewhere on the 'net in the meantime)
Huh. Think it was confirmed it mainly was a troll. Although if true I kinda get why although what Mario GMOD stuff I've seen ain't that damaging to Mario's innocence compared to the SML stuff. As long as the models being downloaded on the computer then hopefully it's fine
Garry himself confirmed it was Nintendo.
@@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuffdidn’t Garry himself take that statement back, being just as confused as us?
@@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff last I saw about it he said it could be Nintendo but also isn't 100% positive if it is
@@JacksonLane02 Whatever happened to the investigation on that anyway
Did anyone watch the video? It was confirmed to be Nintendo.
This fanboy cope of "it was a troll" has really gotten old. It's been weeks.
Blood and shooty stuff? In MY Arlo video?
It's more likely than you think.
Do they though? Does everyone know what memes are? I can truly imagine a tv news program reporting on how some moms in some town are protesting Nintendo because of a video game where Mario blanks Luigi in the face with a big blank blank
"I saw a picture of Mario and Luigi kissing one another online. Please do not do that."
-Shigeru Miyamoto
Well this'll be interesting... Large UA-cam channels like SMG4 rely on using Garry's Mod to create their content using Nintendo characters. They've made their own characters too, but their main series on the channel has centered around using Nintendo characters like Mario in their adventures.