Valve's support has been transformational for the WINE project and hasn't, as far as I have heard anyone assert, ruined it. Nor have Valve done KDE any harm that I know of. Hopefully their support for Arch will follow this positive trend. There doesn't seem to be any benefit for Valve in "spoiling" Arch.
@@malcaniscsm5184 it would seem self-destructive for them to ruin Arch. Quite to the contrary, they understand that Arch is the beating heart behind their OS and want to make it a better home for Steam. That can only be a good thing given Steam is a popular multi-platform application distribution framework. Naturally that would also mean making Arch a better home for the many apps that call Steam theirs, and that can only benefit Arch in the long run.
It kind of looks like Valve may be branching outside of just gaming, but I'm certainly not complaining. Valve is rich for a good reason, and they are showing it here.
Hi everyone, Thanks once again for having me A1RM4X, it was fun :) I saw some people in the comments still confused about the issues we are currently facing at Arch and how the two projects concerned by this Valve "sponsorship" would be beneficial. So here is my attempt to sum up everything in a simple way (see answers, I had to cut it into multiple comments):
Basically, the way packages are currently built / managed still requires a few manual interventions from Package Maintainers (e.g. triggering the build itself and signing the built packages afterwards). As of now, supporting multiple architectures would mean multiplying those manual steps by the number of supported / targeted architectures. With the current number of packages compared to the current number of (volunteers) Package Maintainers maintaining them, Arch is not able to handle the extra amount of effort that it would imply.
A central build service and a central secure signing enclave would streamline the overall process by allowing automated build and signing for packages without requiring any manual steps / interventions from Package Maintainers anymore (and it will also allow to increase the security of the process as a side benefit). Only such a streamlined / automated workflow would allow us to start working on supporting multiple architectures without implying to multiply the current amount of required effort. In other words, those projects are prerequisites to start working on some of our future endeavors, like multiple architectures support in a clean & sane way. I hope this makes things clearer :)
There is going to be controversy/skepticism on this i am sure, i think this is a great thing, some people need to realize the world of today does not run without making some money. I just would agree with it being bad if valve mb would just decide to overtake arch like cent OS, but i don't quite believe this. I more believe for them to work with arch, help improve the base and then as well benefit from it to improve Steam OS, this i believe even makes more sense.
Thanks for this interview, A1RM4X! From what I understand, building and uploading packages will be faster and more secure, which is more than we could hope for, given the fact that Arch already is one of the fastest updated distros, in terms of package updates. Also, Antiz's positive opinion about Valve makes me hopeful that this 4.5% desktop usage will be going up and up soon!
Guys, how about proper support for codecs, rainbow tv screens is cool and all but it will be nice to be able to watch actual cutscenes right from the box.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Well a lot of asian titles uses weird codecs which often cannot be fixed by protons hopping or install of this media foundation stuff. I wonder if Koei's musou games still wouldn't play any videos, it's been quite a while since i tried it last time.
@@SerdceDanko There were recent patches, so there is a big chance that stuff changes. The next major Proton release will fix a lot of these issues and you might preview it with Proton-GE right now.
The guys here are toaking about signing packages in the repositories , for secure boot that is used on the user machine its a user related thing , you just need to setup it
Thanks guy's for the share ! This video have to be watched 1M =) Keep in mind that financial contributions are still part of the need of a free linux distribution. Sponsorship and donations can realy improve and help our loved distro's and it's a great and huge amount of money offered by Valve. I realy hope everything will success and be a Win/Win for everyone !
Thanks for the interview nice to know what is going on. But I hear PROTON will work on ARM systems and suppose to run games better than using that PRISM Windows x86 emulator. So all Qualcomm AI PC with that Snapdragon X ELITE Arm CPU could install Steam OS or other Arch distros to use ARM Proton and get better gaming performance than Windows PRISM; so these streamlining the Arch repos to trigger compile builds for any platform/architecture very fast since they lack staff. ps: BTW the Qualcomm laptops aren't doing that great maybe this will help or maybe STEAM 3 might go with ARM CPU in the future like A1RM4X told us.
Somebody said something to me the other day about the Odin 2 being capable of running arch Linux... Does this mean that it could possibly be a mini steam deck in the future?
Bonjour A1RM4X! I think it is awesome that Valve will work with Arch as a base. I was just curious if they will use the regular Arch kernel or maybe an LTS kernel. I currently use Garuda Linux XFCE with the xanmod kernel and it works great for Steam games. Thank you for the video interview and for all that you do for the Linux community.
What Valve does is take Arch as a base and tailor the distro to their hardware and needs. Arch makes it simple instead of complicated. You don't have to undo weird stuff someone thought was a good idea. As someone who's been using Arch with KDE for the past 10+ years, I can't imagine them picking anything else.
If the update path is easier, packages are more secure, etc then do you need the immutable and do the extra work to do that. Valve could have done this to just make the SteamDesk run standard Arch and bring the SteamOS 3.x to PCs.
Not directly, but, it could be possible that some people working on arch will have more free time to do it. Anyway I think the installer is quite nice, only reason to recommend doing it manually is to learn
NixOS being sponsored by the MiC(Anduril) is far more detrimental to Linux's future than Valve, a gaming company partnering with one the most respected distros is a really a good news. Valve's business model is driven by having a vertical integration of its supply chain from the software to the hardware, allowing to make gaming an accessible commodity. There's a real risk that Valve could try to control the Arch project from within for pure corporate reasons but it's too risky to alienate a big chunk of your customers who happen to have also built or use the OS upon which your platform runs its products and services, it wouldn't be a good idea. Microsoft coul afford to take a L but not Valve, their business model is gaming and nothing else. community is established and resourceful enough to keep control...at least I like to think that.
Cause they want free programmers and they know it will be stable cause all the guys who use the words like my self : I use arch BTW. They are crazy for being on the edge but crazy on stability!
Not so strange really, English is more or less the world's lingua franca nowadays. Not because of all the native speakers, but because of everyone that has it as a second language. Hence, you reach more people with English being spoken, than with French. Not really complicated.
11:14 two years later, it will suffer the fate of many other opensource projects with total commercial overtake and "sponsors" will dictate what people with what beliefs are allowed to contribute or talk.
It will most likely have a different branch rather than affecting arch entirely. The talk has already pointed out how helpful it is for valve to step in and help the community build it with friendly ecosystems with developers already part of arch and Valve's own employees. The key takeaway here is that Valve opted for arch for the simple fact that Valve can easily address problems that comes rather than relying to Ubuntu/RedHat/or Opensuse to correct something that Valve themselves can fix, like how cosmic opted to do their own thing rather than rely on the gnome project. And on the plus size, its Gabe not Bill Gates.
You know, maybe instead of worrying about ARM, maybe they should make like a patch in order to maybe get those multiplayer games that use anti cheat to work I don't know just saying, including GTA.
@@CesarMendoza-tn3of - “you know what instead of doing core work to support computing as a whole, work on cracking anti-cheat software so we can play games and cheat” Be serious.
really is a good question of why they are going so knees deep in this bootleg ass garbage os when there is a real os like windows that already does everything and plays everything day one. So sudden problems like gta 5 won't happen 11 years later or games like space marine 2 won't suddenly stop working after an update because the bootleg ass os doesn't work good with easy anti cheat unless the devs think of the 4 percenters which they're clearly now doing so. People can cope over that and use cheap cover ups but its a clear sign that no one but valve even gives a shit about this bootleg os so it would really be wiser to invest more in to their games and so on instead because what are you gonna do with this product when something again doesn't work one day ? Just cope and cry the devs aren't thinking of the 5 percenters in 10 years? lol..
Bootleg? your ignorance is truly astounding windows is not modular like Linux, and is also ran by a company, which requires a license (an extra expense), and also, all companies have a finite lifetime, linux is free and literally the future >because the bootleg ass os doesn't work good with easy anti cheat that's not what the issue is, anti-cheat works just fine, big companies (like EPIC Games) just don't put in the extra effort for it to not be blocked on linux/purposefully block linux, like u can play overwatch 2 on linux with steam just fine, but valorant? noooo... flipping one switch is too hard >no one but valve you're forgetting about the 10 or so million people (an amount that is exponentially increasing) that are using linux and switching from windows because they're tired of Microsoft's bs
@@eintga Cope harder lil bro while tht piece of garbage can't even run photoshop or an eleven year old game like gta 5 suddenly. And you think all this time they put in to this trash ass os and proton was free? LOL... Good god the stupidity of bootleg ass os users.. By comparison it would be cheaper and so much faster to use a real os like windows that does everything instead of wasting time on this garbage linux that more and more companies are dropping.
Because Windows is owned by Microsoft, who is a competitor to Valve. It is the same reason Sony uses openBSD instead of Windows as a base. Microsoft is relatively chill atm, but that's not a guarantee that it'll stay that way. Valve doesn't want to be rug pulled and doomed to the same fate that Netscape navigator fell to back in the day.
@@hanro50 you sure about that one? Since GTA 5 on that trash os just got the rug pulled as well as space marine 2. 😆 Good luck with GTA 6 ever running on that garbage even the coping people go off topic as usual and talk about it's release date for some reason...
Developers actively make their games not work on Linux --> Linux is trash Seems logical to me, no issues found here. These companies don't want you to own your own device. If you want to install root kits on your PC, feel free, I will laugh at you on the day Vanguard or another Kernel AC has a crowdstrike moment and nukes your entire computer. It will happen sooner or later. And on top of that, it doesn't even prevent cheating.
"I develop Arch btw" must be next level
Panties and/or boxer-briefs drop depending on preference at even the idea of hearing those words.
Edited for personal preference.
@@kloroformd
insufficiently edited for people going commando
Valve's support has been transformational for the WINE project and hasn't, as far as I have heard anyone assert, ruined it. Nor have Valve done KDE any harm that I know of. Hopefully their support for Arch will follow this positive trend. There doesn't seem to be any benefit for Valve in "spoiling" Arch.
@@malcaniscsm5184 it would seem self-destructive for them to ruin Arch. Quite to the contrary, they understand that Arch is the beating heart behind their OS and want to make it a better home for Steam. That can only be a good thing given Steam is a popular multi-platform application distribution framework. Naturally that would also mean making Arch a better home for the many apps that call Steam theirs, and that can only benefit Arch in the long run.
I love Arch Linux and I love Valve for gaming. Big win!
It kind of looks like Valve may be branching outside of just gaming, but I'm certainly not complaining. Valve is rich for a good reason, and they are showing it here.
YES! finaly we have a big player backing the desktop linux; maybe we breach the 10% market share in the following years
desktop Linux has had big player backing for decades. i mean, who do you think funds gnome? that's ibm money
Now I don't feel so bad spending so much money on the steam summer sale.
Yeah!👍
Big up man 👍👍
Nice one my guy 👍👍👍
Valve keeps giving me reasons to buy games directly off of Steam.
Hi everyone,
Thanks once again for having me A1RM4X, it was fun :)
I saw some people in the comments still confused about the issues we are currently facing at Arch and how the two projects concerned by this Valve "sponsorship" would be beneficial. So here is my attempt to sum up everything in a simple way (see answers, I had to cut it into multiple comments):
Basically, the way packages are currently built / managed still requires a few manual interventions from Package Maintainers (e.g. triggering the build itself and signing the built packages afterwards). As of now, supporting multiple architectures would mean multiplying those manual steps by the number of supported / targeted architectures. With the current number of packages compared to the current number of (volunteers) Package Maintainers maintaining them, Arch is not able to handle the extra amount of effort that it would imply.
A central build service and a central secure signing enclave would streamline the overall process by allowing automated build and signing for packages without requiring any manual steps / interventions from Package Maintainers anymore (and it will also allow to increase the security of the process as a side benefit). Only such a streamlined / automated workflow would allow us to start working on supporting multiple architectures without implying to multiply the current amount of required effort.
In other words, those projects are prerequisites to start working on some of our future endeavors, like multiple architectures support in a clean & sane way.
I hope this makes things clearer :)
Pin this thread!! 📌
Also the more CI/CD the better, with love
thank you for your work with Arch, all this talk alone feels like too advanced for most users, but that is Arch.
@@mamenggaluh8897 Thanks for the kind words, it means a lot! :)
Let's go!
Thanks for your generosity!
There is going to be controversy/skepticism on this i am sure, i think this is a great thing, some people need to realize the world of today does not run without making some money.
I just would agree with it being bad if valve mb would just decide to overtake arch like cent OS, but i don't quite believe this.
I more believe for them to work with arch, help improve the base and then as well benefit from it to improve Steam OS, this i believe even makes more sense.
Kinda amazing how much valve is doing for linux
@UmVtCg so? It sure is better than for whatever reasons some other projects contribute to open source, see godot for example
TLDR:
Arch Will supports more architecture:
-x86-64, v2,v3,v4
-arm64
-riscv64
Also hire contract from arch staff
You forgot the most important:
LIKE
&&
SUBSCRIBE!
THANKS!
That was already known for half a year. See: RFC 0032 - Arch Linux Ports.
The actual TLDR of the news: Valve will accelerate the work towards that.
this video is best watched at 1.25 speed with subtitles CC on.
The central signing enclave sounds super, I think all of us have troubleshooted the maintainers' signatures far too many times
That's some great news, keeping my fingers crossed!
been using arch for years and also been using steam on linux since the very beginning in 2012/2013. this is great news.
Thanks for this interview, A1RM4X! From what I understand, building and uploading packages will be faster and more secure, which is more than we could hope for, given the fact that Arch already is one of the fastest updated distros, in terms of package updates.
Also, Antiz's positive opinion about Valve makes me hopeful that this 4.5% desktop usage will be going up and up soon!
They might solve the issue with anti-cheats!
yes, by getting rid of kernel-level bullshit, hopefully :D
Don't put that garbage on your machine, ever.
vanguard from riot just basically contradicts with my company's vpn policy therefore i cannot gaming and work together lmao
kinda bummer tbh
Guys, how about proper support for codecs, rainbow tv screens is cool and all but it will be nice to be able to watch actual cutscenes right from the box.
Depends on the codec.. WMP was problematic, but will be fixed/deployed soon. Should work on current GE-Proton.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Well a lot of asian titles uses weird codecs which often cannot be fixed by protons hopping or install of this media foundation stuff. I wonder if Koei's musou games still wouldn't play any videos, it's been quite a while since i tried it last time.
@@SerdceDanko There were recent patches, so there is a big chance that stuff changes. The next major Proton release will fix a lot of these issues and you might preview it with Proton-GE right now.
Does this mean, that Arch will support secure boot in the future (without tinkering)?
No not directly, it would require more things. But the secure enclave and build systems could help with getting the requirements in place
Hhhhh what are you toaking about bro , secure boot is supported in arch , didnt you heard of sbctl
The guys here are toaking about signing packages in the repositories , for secure boot that is used on the user machine its a user related thing , you just need to setup it
great interview - and really nice work by valve on this one - I also think it's a good move to not miss out on ARM
Nice. Your content is just getting better and better.
Could this be a prerequisite or directly connected to Valve aiming for the revolutionary non kernel level Anti Cheat?
Thanks guy's for the share ! This video have to be watched 1M =) Keep in mind that financial contributions are still part of the need of a free linux distribution. Sponsorship and donations can realy improve and help our loved distro's and it's a great and huge amount of money offered by Valve. I realy hope everything will success and be a Win/Win for everyone !
" ON A1R "
This one will be the next title of the podcast!
Good title
Thanks for the interview nice to know what is going on. But I hear PROTON will work on ARM systems and suppose to run games better than using that PRISM Windows x86 emulator. So all Qualcomm AI PC with that Snapdragon X ELITE Arm CPU could install Steam OS or other Arch distros to use ARM Proton and get better gaming performance than Windows PRISM; so these streamlining the Arch repos to trigger compile builds for any platform/architecture very fast since they lack staff. ps: BTW the Qualcomm laptops aren't doing that great maybe this will help or maybe STEAM 3 might go with ARM CPU in the future like A1RM4X told us.
@@cybernit3 that prism windows emulator is very popular now on android users, they even successfully booted steam with it.
Somebody said something to me the other day about the Odin 2 being capable of running arch Linux... Does this mean that it could possibly be a mini steam deck in the future?
Bonjour A1RM4X! I think it is awesome that Valve will work with Arch as a base. I was just curious if they will use the regular Arch kernel or maybe an LTS kernel.
I currently use Garuda Linux XFCE with the xanmod kernel and it works great for Steam games. Thank you for the video interview and for all that you do for the Linux community.
Valve uses their own kernel, based on the arch kernel, with their own patches, they update it at their own pace
Never thought I'd get to hear Arnold talk about Linux unless it was AI generated.
i tried to figure out why they would pick arch over something else and still don't know really. thanks
@@SigmaOfMyParts steam os is based on arch
What Valve does is take Arch as a base and tailor the distro to their hardware and needs. Arch makes it simple instead of complicated. You don't have to undo weird stuff someone thought was a good idea.
As someone who's been using Arch with KDE for the past 10+ years, I can't imagine them picking anything else.
So is that new multi-platform pipeline akin to what the Open Build Service does?
I love Arch beautiful system very fast got off windows completely just use Arch
@@jeromeroark4637 the most diffocult distro
@@roklaca3138 no
The way you get onto the Arch Linux team is you tell more people that anyone else that you use arch linux.
how well will this collab be translating to cachyOS?
If the update path is easier, packages are more secure, etc then do you need the immutable and do the extra work to do that. Valve could have done this to just make the SteamDesk run standard Arch and bring the SteamOS 3.x to PCs.
Currently on Windows 11, but with this collab I might be switching to Linux very soon!
CALM DOWN IS NOT COMMUNISM WE WORK FOR EACH OTHERRR
06:15 as long as aur is not affected by the signing centralization!
AUR is not Arch. And AUR doesn't provide bin-packages directly. It's totaly an other concept.
This here has got to be the next big step in gaming
I am still waiting for a chance of playing Throne and Liberty on my Arch 😢
Good one!
Thanks!
so...Arch will kinda get their own OBS system what openSUSE has?
Kinda, but "in house" and adapted to our workflow & tooling basically.
Représente ze france, bioutifoul !
Will Arch-based distros like - Garuda Linux, also benefit from support by Valve?
Maybe they'll make proper installer at last for Valve's money XD
Not directly, but, it could be possible that some people working on arch will have more free time to do it.
Anyway I think the installer is quite nice, only reason to recommend doing it manually is to learn
@@mafioso12dk They have a fantastic installer
what's wrong with the installer?
It would be cool.
@@kmatias2467 What installer? 🤣
Valve really needs to drop a Desktop OS and a VR headset like Quest2 only better @ the same price point
Merci les gars!
Will arch linux support dolby vision?
Valve could, but I don't see how an open source OS can build in support for proprietary tech.
i loved you english speak Antiz :)
The french accent is 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚
Valve might be the only large company that I have faith won't come in and screw this up.
I use arch linux arm (btw) and the idea of it potentially becoming something official seems like a dream.
I love valve now
I can't feel my tongue
NixOS being sponsored by the MiC(Anduril) is far more detrimental to Linux's future than Valve, a gaming company partnering with one the most respected distros is a really a good news.
Valve's business model is driven by having a vertical integration of its supply chain from the software to the hardware, allowing to make gaming an accessible commodity.
There's a real risk that Valve could try to control the Arch project from within for pure corporate reasons but it's too risky to alienate a big chunk of your customers who happen to have also built or use the OS upon which your platform runs its products and services, it wouldn't be a good idea.
Microsoft coul afford to take a L but not Valve, their business model is gaming and nothing else.
community is established and resourceful enough to keep control...at least I like to think that.
Arch ❤
hey papa
Cause they want free programmers and they know it will be stable cause all the guys who use the words like my self : I use arch BTW. They are crazy for being on the edge but crazy on stability!
No it would be Steam on your phone.
I will change to arche full soo hard, but rust do not support Linux uff
Arch ftw btw
2 Frenchmen talking to each other in english lol
Not so strange really, English is more or less the world's lingua franca nowadays. Not because of all the native speakers, but because of everyone that has it as a second language. Hence, you reach more people with English being spoken, than with French. Not really complicated.
11:14 two years later, it will suffer the fate of many other opensource projects with total commercial overtake and "sponsors" will dictate what people with what beliefs are allowed to contribute or talk.
It will most likely have a different branch rather than affecting arch entirely. The talk has already pointed out how helpful it is for valve to step in and help the community build it with friendly ecosystems with developers already part of arch and Valve's own employees. The key takeaway here is that Valve opted for arch for the simple fact that Valve can easily address problems that comes rather than relying to Ubuntu/RedHat/or Opensuse to correct something that Valve themselves can fix, like how cosmic opted to do their own thing rather than rely on the gnome project. And on the plus size, its Gabe not Bill Gates.
Airmax need help xdefiant new update game wont launch
Linux next channel just shared a fix for it
Valve please start collaborating with gimp and inkscape =D
Il y en a un de vous deux qui a un accent pourri , mais je ne dirais pas qui . 😎
how dare you
Lmao duo french
Valve backing arch? ok eff that im out, windows 11 here i come baby
@@Sub0x-x40 Valve tends to think in decades, not years. So they tend to have a positive effect on whatever they touch.
@@Sub0x-x40 win11 trash
Bait?
You know, maybe instead of worrying about ARM, maybe they should make like a patch in order to maybe get those multiplayer games that use anti cheat to work I don't know just saying, including GTA.
@@CesarMendoza-tn3of - “you know what instead of doing core work to support computing as a whole, work on cracking anti-cheat software so we can play games and cheat”
Be serious.
@@spoonikle yes
Or, just stop supporting and buying games from companies that use kernel anti-cheat?
@@DanIsNotHome True
@@DanIsNotHome but, just think how many people will switch to linux in a heartbeat.
really is a good question of why they are going so knees deep in this bootleg ass garbage os when there is a real os like windows that already does everything and plays everything day one. So sudden problems like gta 5 won't happen 11 years later or games like space marine 2 won't suddenly stop working after an update because the bootleg ass os doesn't work good with easy anti cheat unless the devs think of the 4 percenters which they're clearly now doing so. People can cope over that and use cheap cover ups but its a clear sign that no one but valve even gives a shit about this bootleg os so it would really be wiser to invest more in to their games and so on instead because what are you gonna do with this product when something again doesn't work one day ? Just cope and cry the devs aren't thinking of the 5 percenters in 10 years? lol..
Bootleg? your ignorance is truly astounding
windows is not modular like Linux, and is also ran by a company, which requires a license (an extra expense), and also, all companies have a finite lifetime, linux is free and literally the future
>because the bootleg ass os doesn't work good with easy anti cheat
that's not what the issue is, anti-cheat works just fine, big companies (like EPIC Games) just don't put in the extra effort for it to not be blocked on linux/purposefully block linux, like u can play overwatch 2 on linux with steam just fine, but valorant? noooo... flipping one switch is too hard
>no one but valve
you're forgetting about the 10 or so million people (an amount that is exponentially increasing) that are using linux and switching from windows because they're tired of Microsoft's bs
@@eintga Cope harder lil bro while tht piece of garbage can't even run photoshop or an eleven year old game like gta 5 suddenly. And you think all this time they put in to this trash ass os and proton was free? LOL... Good god the stupidity of bootleg ass os users.. By comparison it would be cheaper and so much faster to use a real os like windows that does everything instead of wasting time on this garbage linux that more and more companies are dropping.
Because Windows is owned by Microsoft, who is a competitor to Valve. It is the same reason Sony uses openBSD instead of Windows as a base.
Microsoft is relatively chill atm, but that's not a guarantee that it'll stay that way. Valve doesn't want to be rug pulled and doomed to the same fate that Netscape navigator fell to back in the day.
@@hanro50 you sure about that one? Since GTA 5 on that trash os just got the rug pulled as well as space marine 2. 😆 Good luck with GTA 6 ever running on that garbage even the coping people go off topic as usual and talk about it's release date for some reason...
Developers actively make their games not work on Linux --> Linux is trash
Seems logical to me, no issues found here.
These companies don't want you to own your own device. If you want to install root kits on your PC, feel free, I will laugh at you on the day Vanguard or another Kernel AC has a crowdstrike moment and nukes your entire computer. It will happen sooner or later. And on top of that, it doesn't even prevent cheating.