@@jonbikaku6133 Gaaaah, defaults! I love the idea of using defaults, but in every program I've ever used, the defaults are STOOOPID and inefficient, so I always have to customize. It sucks though because it makes doing work on foreign systems a pain because I don't have any of the default hotkeys memorized, etc.
I think the benefit of his approach is that the skills, tools, and environment you learn with neovim and linux is applicable outside of neovim and linux. Vim bindings exist everywhere and unix is everywhere. Emacs on the other hand is restricted to emacs and lisp.
@@hamm8934 That's exactly why I use Evil Mode in Emacs. I also don't want my Pinky to look like this: elijah.mirecki.com/images/misc/emacs-pinky.png I use both Vim and Emacs fwiw, Emacs can do things Vim can't, but like it said, Vim is everywhere, and way faster.
@@kevs3913 Except for a few like Ctrl+C I like Vim key bindings better because they are faster and don't require so much stretching. It's also like a mini programming language if you take it far enough.
Prime nailed the whole reason I use i3 as well - I love how quickly I can just jump to exactly the thing I want to be at. There's never the question of "Oh, where is that window again?" because the answer is "It's exactly where I decided that thing should live" and "I can get there with one combo". Even on the worst kinds of days, I can use rofi to find any window that has somehow gone missing.
Yeah, that one is essential for me. I literally have 1010 tabs open right now, and no, that's not binary, it's decimal. LOL. Unlike Prime though, I just can't bring myself to close them. 😥
@@Chiramisudo install vim browser extension,. hit capital T and just type in to search and open the tab. Alternatively you can search with default chrome based with ctrl space, but the vim extension ovviously brings other benefits
Man, very refreshing. Please more people that "just know enough to get by". This is what gets people into casual use and spinning up. Not elite stuff, not flexing for no reason. THIS. RIGHT HERE.
That's part of how he stays focused. When I first started learning to navigate on mac my focus was unspeakably bad because I was constantly distracted by navigation not doing what I wanted. The more it becomes a reflex, the better.
I just use KDE because it does everything out of the box and then some, it's easy to configure 100's of shortcut keys for it, and I generally don't have to do anything to get it working and keep it working. One of these days, maybe after I retire, I'll have the time to sit down and try doing LFS.
I don't have such browser tab management issue. I just close whatever I'm done with immediately. If I will need it again, there is absolutely no problem to find it in 10s. Either through url autocomplete or history search.
Using linuxfromscratch as a daily driver is nutz. I remember the days when I used to compile freebsd software with ports. I think back upon that, and I think that is so time wasteful. I used to compile my own kernel, jre, and also compile my own apache server on a 2009 computer hardware. That would take about 4 days of compiling. Absolutely nutz.
I appreciate the LFS representation, and I wouldn't even disagree with you that it's a waste of time lol. I can also really get behind where ThePrimeagen is coming from and at the start of my Linux journey, I felt the same way. The difference between me and him is he's a much better dev while I fell into the Linux rabbit hole.
I run Arch, it's already a waste of time, but it's a waste of time I can balance out with videos, LFS is way too far down the rabbit hole for me but I have respect for people who manage to use it
@@TechOverTea I used an LFS system I built for a few months in 2020, at the end I realized I had just turned it into an Arch system with more maintenance requirements. So I just switched back to Arch.
The main takeaway I'm getting is that unless it's for content, trying to sort out your distro cuts into your schedule and time to produce videos which are your livelihood. I'm lucky enough where YT is just my hobby while I have another job, so I'm free to mess around with my distro as much as I want as there isn't an opportunity cost.
I switched to Linux, because I found unable to force myself to continue using Windows. However I'm still fascinated by all the computer human interactions that are possible with window managers. (workspaces, window rules, vertical bars, hiding title bars, user customizable keybinds for everything & to a lesser extent tiling) I don't think I could go back, even if Microsoft decided to fix everything I had a problem with. So yeah, I think wanting a good WM is a decent enough reason already..
I havent used linux in a long time (just no need). but lets say, um, 10 years ago it was still utter shit. :D Luckily under win there are few tools that save the day. At least I can make win look mostly like win95. Clean :D better tell the name of these guise who animate everything. IM LOOKING AT YOU, BROWSER DEVS. Like wtf, fade- animated status-bar-replacement-tooltip? YOU MFing cnts! Faded menus? WTF? I have to dig into a bit, if these can be some way hacked away with user.css or smth.
@@v2ike6udik Yep I mean the last time I tried linux I had a hell of a time getting a proper US-intl keyboard layout to work. Linux can't even figure out _keyboard layouts._ And of course I had issues with the wifi dongle despite taking care to buy one that was supposed to be linux-compatible. It's just like it was 20 years ago with softmodems.
@@isodoubIet Was this 20 years ago? Because today k layouts are either easy, because you know what you are doing, or it's easy because you are using KDE/Gnome/Cinnamon and you just select the one you have from a VERY long list.
@@conjurermast No, it was around 2015 or so. I had to fiddle with some weird undocumented settings in gnome, and use a layout I found on some random guy's github. US Intl (a proper useful version of one) was not on the list.
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Vivaldi (not open source, I know, I know) has helped me a lot with this "too many tabs" issue. You can ctrl+e and type the title of what you're searching for. That and the Workspaces feature are working like a charm to me.
For anyone interested, there are plenty window managers for macOS. Amethyst probably being the closest to something like i3 or awesomewm. There's also ones like Rectangle if all you're really trying to achieve is grid layouts or snapping and want to avoid the need for writing your own configs.
I've tried WM on macOS but all the but many mac apps have fixed layouts (settings app etc..) you can't remove the annoying title-bars, nothing feel like it's streamlined tons of visual artifacts, the whole DE is running in the background wasting resources. It feels like a mess and I dislike it. Persoanlly I like the idea of only having the software I'm actually using running, keeping it simple, no settings panels etc, simple + clean config files, on my linux. However, take this will a grain of salt as I've only had around 20-30 hours on the macOS side as it was my friends computer, and I've never actually used any other operating systems other than BSD's and GNU/Linux.
I tried using Amethyst and yabai in macOS. Nowhere near the simplicity of i3. I ended up running a VM in Mac as my daily driver (company provided laptop).
I really need to learn how to use tmux effectively. My solution so far is to alias things to directories that I go to often. So like cdw goes to work, cds goes to scratch, cdp goes to my personal projects, etc. This has worked okay, but it does become a pain when dealing with files that are across different directories and having to constantly jump there instead of having multiple tmux terminals open at a time.
Or use zoxide. Completely changed directory navigation for me. It is “intelligent” and can guess where you’re trying to go. If you have a directory /home/username/code/python/machine-learning/ and you’re currently in root you can just type “z machine” and you’ll jump straight there. It’s awesome
I kinda get where prime comes from, mainly using linux as well because it is the best tool for my developing workflow and I even have written a similar script to quickly open projects in nvim win shift enter, project name and I'm there But I like customizing my linux install beyond functionality as well
I had the chance to use fedora as a workstation on one sysadmin job and I was quite happy with it. KVM so I can host my own performant mini-lab, zooming terminals, better commandline tooling ecosystem out of the box (grep vs findstr etc).
I have a dual boot setup with Fedora for all my programming work and Windows for everything else. My Linux set up is also super bare bones running vanilla GNOME and the default window manager.
@@askeladden450 Fewer unhelpful abstraction layers, holistic integration with the entire system instead of a bolted-on shim, lower memory and power requirements, better system stability and over months and years of use, better printer support (yeah, kinda weird, but it’s a real thing), better community, more learning opportunities, and more room for optimization and customization if that’s what you think you’ll like someday. And that’s just from a beginner’s perspective. It keeps getting better.
@@oredaze but if they are just using it for programming and dont even bother to customize the workflow, which is one of the biggest selling point of linux window managers, then i dont really see the point of going through the inconvenience of a dual boot setup.
Linux fulfilled my dream UI that I could not achieve on Windows - full screen for each window, 20 workspaces accessed by shortcuts. No title bars, menu bars, status bars, animations. XMonad.Layout.Groups.Wmii was best experience. For Wayland I've patched a bit Sway.
I disagree, you can use and learn Linux, it works in different ways than Windows and Mac and you have to learn them too. Just like a uni, bi and tri cycle work different but do the same thing and are very different to learn. You use them but you learn them first. You aren't born with operating system user experience design baked in!
lmao I sincerely have compassion with him on that screen tearing on i3. It actually quite recently made me switch to sway, which is a good experience for the most part, but now I suddenly have issues with my second hidpi display randomly blinking black now and again, which is honestly a worse experience than screen tearing sometimes, I think, I'm not sure yet. Screen tearing is gone though and scaling feels so much better on wayland, makes using a hidpi display more comfortable.
I use a Mac, but with virtual desktops. Single keystroke to any of the desktops. Mail, Signal, Messages on 1, Brave on 2, etc. Very similar philosophy to Prime's, but Mac.
ctrl shift a lets you search your tabs, and there are extensions that nuke duplicates or just takes you to the tab instead of opening a new, I know this is an old video but still.
In chrome based browsers there this search opened tabs menu with ctrl + shift + a (by default), so it is possible to fuzzy search already opened tabs, idk just a suggestion for those who struggle with browser too (and don't use vieb)
gonna say, macos window managers have actually matured quite a bit. I use Amethyst and it gets the job done for me. Though I think there are more customizable ones. But man is i3 so good though. actually making me wanna switch to linux full time.
@@duartedias271 yeah, and certain applications are glitchy too. I think it's because you don't need to give special permission like the other window managers do. So a lot of the time i'm resetting amethyst (depending on the application) and usually stick to 3 layouts to get work done. Works for me though, haven't bothered to tryout any other one currently. you got any suggestions?
I never have too many Tabs open, but my trick is to routinely close firefox and reopen it only with the one URL for the tab I was just currently working in.
Linux's window management is just better, even Cinnamon out of the box has better workspace than a mac. I don't know why windows and mac cannot get this right ever.
Been using windows everything-full-screen, now on macos everything-full-screen.. but even closer to "one key away" (btt/raycast). I feel linux would even faster, but need to find good pre-set.
For macOS users: I'm using yabai in stack mode, to keep a single app on the front, can also enable transparency on select apps. I use karabiner-elements to get to the app that I want with a single keymap, also set up tmux. Basically replicated Prime's dev workflow, but for macOS. It's all in my dotfiles, I even created some videos to set macOS up ua-cam.com/video/IRL-ueXXnWM/v-deo.html
yabai is great i use mac at work, linux at home, and yabai replicates my linux workflow pretty great, apart from the fact that i need to disable SIP to be able to switch between desktops with custom shortcuts (i don't care about transparency) and i can't do it on my work mac one of the main issues is the active window indication so the best way for me was to turn on the option like "mouse on active window" and make the cursor T H I C C cuz i (almost) don't use it anyway macos for me is like linux that works i enjoy doing weird shit with my system, but when i need it to work, i want it to work
@@ser_igel I feel the same way about macOS, I love linux, but I love to run it on servers, Debian is stable as a rock, so that's why I use in all my linux servers. But when it comes to personal usage, I prefer macOS, being unix based, I can do basically all the things I could with a linux box, with the added benefit, that I know is never going to break, and I've never have to dealt with drivers or hardware compatibility issues. Yabai is a key player here, so if someone comes from advanced Linux window managers, they definitely need to try Yabai, the rest of macOS window managers are not as feature rich and customizable. I'm not saying that Linux breaks, but I don't want to through the process of figuring stuff out in the extremely rare event that it does. I Hate Windows though, unless it's running Debian or a Linux distro in WSL so I can get my Alacritty, tmux and neovim setup, but still, don't use it unless I strictly have no choice.
I've used all the popular window managers and I think my favorite was bspwm and skhxd on Linux. Got a Mac recently. Learned about Yabai + skhd which basically mirrors bspwm + skhd. Now, I can do basically everything in Mac that I loved about Linux, with nearly the same configuration so the transition is pretty much seamless.
I was also skeptical about Go's error handling since I was so used to TypeScript. Six months later, coding in Go almost day, I now love it and I dislike the JS way.
6:58 I've had at least 40 browser tabs open at all times since 2021. I currently have over 120 tabs open split across 9 browser windows. It's not healthy, I don't recommend it.
I pretty much use Vivaldi's workspaces instead of bookmarks these days, so I have god knows how many tabs open at any given time. I find it a very convenient way to keep track of things.
I'm running Fedora with Xmonad on my work pc, Garuda KDE with Krohnkite on my gaming pc. I recommend both, but Xmonad requires more configuring and tinkering.
07:28 i use one desktop/workspace for each 'theme' (work, study, fun, randon, etc) then i open 1 browser window por topic (1 per search topic, 1 per consulting documentation, 1 for youtube, etc) with all the tabs related with that theme in it .... that consumes a lot of ram, in this workspace alone i have 15 browser windows, i might have hundreds of tabs idk, so, its a good system ? no, but worked for me for years since i'm used to be anxious and cluttered :}
Not sure if that happened to anyone else, but I would just run an update on Linux, and some random feature would just break. I never had that on Windows.
I've had it happen but definitely 100x more on linux. Definitely a major pain to just lose wifi/modem drivers when you do an update lmao. SOL if those aren't on-hand.
@ThePrimeTimeagen, Sway is nice but not fun adding 4 flags to every electron app if you want it to open vs just clicking on it in the launcher :/ went back to i3 so apps opened without having to mess with them. If there are some Sway defaults fix for this I'd love to know.
I am curious too. They might think the combo of linux equals a bot (used to copy or distribute video). Or maybe webgl or something is choosing 720p due to the network broadband detection or something.
@@complexity5545 no man they do it intentionally. I mean lets ignore linux, why is 4k only available in windows with Edge? Youre telling me edge and windows is the only combo that can run 4K? You can watch 4K youtube on a linux with firefox 🫠
I ran Gentoo for 2 years (no longer do), I wouldn't say it isn't worth it. It's the same type of thing as saying linux isn't worth it, it depends what you do or need. Gentoo is worth it for learning, or customization, like custom initramfs, custom encryption setup, custom kernel etc. if it isn't your thing it means it isn't worth it *for you,* not that it has zero worth altogether.
I like the toolchain. I'm perfectly fine running windows with WSL. Just switched to Ubuntu for full time development. Only because it seemed easier to use native linux pathing with vim rather than WSL to windows for my specific needs.
I like developing on Linux and eventually made the switch to it being my daily driver a few years back. I liked Windows for compatibility and put up with the ads and user data collection because of it. Linux distros and the kernel have come a long way in 10 years and it is easier than ever to switch for those wondering. Ive yet to delve into i3 too much but I understand the hype. KDE with hotkeys is fine for me :)
Funny that he talks about audio issues when the audio and video are out of sync I completely agree with him though. Would be great if more people on Linux had that mentality
That's a large part for me as well - Linux lets me use a completely distraction free UI, while Windows is Windows and Mac OS' window management system is still like 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of basic functionality.
no idea wtf you are on about, window managers and customization of UI exists on windows as well. including hotkeys for certain applications. has it been 20 years you have used windows? lmao
@@PsycosisIncarnated i have used that and it always work terribly. They do this by hacking system32 files and something is always broken. It's a bad hack.
macOS is basically on par with a fresh install of Fedora and Gnome in terms of functionality? Don’t know what you’re talking about. Only thing I can think of is snapping by dragging to edges which you can install in 1 minute. Everything else is basically the same? Curious what people are referring to.
@@notuxnobux theres some software that acts as a window manager without having to resort to such hacks but i forgot the fckin name… you use keybindings to move the windows around but ofcourse its not as good as i3wm or sway for example. But i mean “distraction free UI”, wtf does that even mean? Just hide the taskbar, maximize your screen, and just alt tab between applications. I also find windows Window management much better than macOS despite all the cool touchpad mechanics.
Switched to Linux in 2019 and it really helped me become a better developer, but as some one that is forced to use Windows/MacOS for developing Linux software its a real pain. but at least Windows have WSL and that is 100% better then MacOS.
The default window management in macOS was terrible - but this year it graduated to «mediocre»! 😅 (Luckily there’s tons of third-party options to make it great, no matter your taste. But shouldn’t be as bad by default!)
Clicked this because I saw the Obsidian Graph in the thumbnail. Where is the Obsidian Graph? I want to see the Obsidian Graph. Ugh... Now I gotta "not skip through" the video...
Basically, the operating system should get out of the way. This is what Linus Torvalds himself says.
yeah but linus torvalds never developed an operating system
@@shallex5744and???
OS is literally the thing that matters the least. It is for package manager, and a good wiki/forum for oopsie daisy situations.
@@shallex5744yeah, but he manages the development of The Kernel and also makes a huge impact on OS development community
@@shallex5744 And?
Biggest crossover of our generation
Not really. Prime has not much to do with linux. Is your window manager on its default config?
@@jonbikaku6133 mine? i3? no, i changed alot of stuff
@@jonbikaku6133 Gaaaah, defaults! I love the idea of using defaults, but in every program I've ever used, the defaults are STOOOPID and inefficient, so I always have to customize. It sucks though because it makes doing work on foreign systems a pain because I don't have any of the default hotkeys memorized, etc.
ya also, was completely stunned..
like bringing your Siberian gf to your hometown in south africa
“It is a thrown together mess that just happens to work”. Perfectly describes my installed gnome extensions
it describes my life
@H3cJP lol 😅
Primeagen is reinventing a faster and more streamlined version of Emacs. I can't wait for the full release of Primamacs.
I think the benefit of his approach is that the skills, tools, and environment you learn with neovim and linux is applicable outside of neovim and linux. Vim bindings exist everywhere and unix is everywhere. Emacs on the other hand is restricted to emacs and lisp.
@@hamm8934 That's exactly why I use Evil Mode in Emacs.
I also don't want my Pinky to look like this: elijah.mirecki.com/images/misc/emacs-pinky.png
I use both Vim and Emacs fwiw, Emacs can do things Vim can't, but like it said, Vim is everywhere, and way faster.
That is quite literally the primary reason I can't use Emacs - that it's slow and clunky. I hope he succeeds.
actually, the emacs keybinding its by default on linux terminals, like ctrl , ctlr e etc..
@@kevs3913 Except for a few like Ctrl+C
I like Vim key bindings better because they are faster and don't require so much stretching. It's also like a mini programming language if you take it far enough.
this was a welcome suprise,
love prime and his takes
This one blew up. Congratulations, Brodie.
The Primeagen effect
Prime nailed the whole reason I use i3 as well - I love how quickly I can just jump to exactly the thing I want to be at. There's never the question of "Oh, where is that window again?" because the answer is "It's exactly where I decided that thing should live" and "I can get there with one combo". Even on the worst kinds of days, I can use rofi to find any window that has somehow gone missing.
I do the same with kde workspaces, window rules and hidden panel. Switched to wayland flavor when they allowed games to tear.
This is a guy using Linux as Linus intended, he would be so proud.
Prime is an inspiration for getting stuff done! Also, Tom is a genius.
Tom? Sounds familiar. 🤔
Best Shortcut To Start Using: ctrl + shift + A when opening a chrome tab you were on
BRUH, COOKING 🔥🚒
Yeah, that one is essential for me. I literally have 1010 tabs open right now, and no, that's not binary, it's decimal. LOL. Unlike Prime though, I just can't bring myself to close them. 😥
@@Chiramisudo install vim browser extension,. hit capital T and just type in to search and open the tab. Alternatively you can search with default chrome based with ctrl space, but the vim extension ovviously brings other benefits
Thank you deity for this life saving advice for my tab hoarding tendencies
really glad to see theprimeagen on
Man, very refreshing. Please more people that "just know enough to get by". This is what gets people into casual use and spinning up. Not elite stuff, not flexing for no reason. THIS. RIGHT HERE.
ThePrimeagen is a very focused individual. So he will build a system which is efficient and quick!!!!! Bravo!
That's part of how he stays focused. When I first started learning to navigate on mac my focus was unspeakably bad because I was constantly distracted by navigation not doing what I wanted. The more it becomes a reflex, the better.
I was definitely not expecting this one!
To be honest, I didn't either
I just use KDE because it does everything out of the box and then some, it's easy to configure 100's of shortcut keys for it, and I generally don't have to do anything to get it working and keep it working. One of these days, maybe after I retire, I'll have the time to sit down and try doing LFS.
wezterm mentioned let's go
I don't have such browser tab management issue. I just close whatever I'm done with immediately. If I will need it again, there is absolutely no problem to find it in 10s. Either through url autocomplete or history search.
there's also ctrl+shift+A on chrome, can quickly find any tab
Using linuxfromscratch as a daily driver is nutz.
I remember the days when I used to compile freebsd software with ports. I think back upon that, and I think that is so time wasteful. I used to compile my own kernel, jre, and also compile my own apache server on a 2009 computer hardware. That would take about 4 days of compiling. Absolutely nutz.
I started LFS once.
After two days of reading documentation I gave up.
I learn a lot from both FreeBSD ports and LFS, don't regret anything.
@@konoko-o3o Was it _workable_ knowledge?
I did the same but with Gentoo, approximately 2006-2009. I had sooooo much spare time :D
hol'up. The kernel should take 10-15 minutes. Are JRE and Apache _so_ much bigger?
Or did you compile on a bathroom scale by accident again?
I appreciate the LFS representation, and I wouldn't even disagree with you that it's a waste of time lol. I can also really get behind where ThePrimeagen is coming from and at the start of my Linux journey, I felt the same way. The difference between me and him is he's a much better dev while I fell into the Linux rabbit hole.
I run Arch, it's already a waste of time, but it's a waste of time I can balance out with videos, LFS is way too far down the rabbit hole for me but I have respect for people who manage to use it
@@TechOverTea I used an LFS system I built for a few months in 2020, at the end I realized I had just turned it into an Arch system with more maintenance requirements. So I just switched back to Arch.
The main takeaway I'm getting is that unless it's for content, trying to sort out your distro cuts into your schedule and time to produce videos which are your livelihood. I'm lucky enough where YT is just my hobby while I have another job, so I'm free to mess around with my distro as much as I want as there isn't an opportunity cost.
The only waste of time is managing packages, everything else is great about it imo
I switched to Linux, because I found unable to force myself to continue using Windows. However I'm still fascinated by all the computer human interactions that are possible with window managers. (workspaces, window rules, vertical bars, hiding title bars, user customizable keybinds for everything & to a lesser extent tiling)
I don't think I could go back, even if Microsoft decided to fix everything I had a problem with.
So yeah, I think wanting a good WM is a decent enough reason already..
I havent used linux in a long time (just no need). but lets say, um, 10 years ago it was still utter shit. :D Luckily under win there are few tools that save the day. At least I can make win look mostly like win95. Clean :D better tell the name of these guise who animate everything. IM LOOKING AT YOU, BROWSER DEVS. Like wtf, fade- animated status-bar-replacement-tooltip? YOU MFing cnts! Faded menus? WTF? I have to dig into a bit, if these can be some way hacked away with user.css or smth.
@@v2ike6udik Yep I mean the last time I tried linux I had a hell of a time getting a proper US-intl keyboard layout to work. Linux can't even figure out _keyboard layouts._ And of course I had issues with the wifi dongle despite taking care to buy one that was supposed to be linux-compatible. It's just like it was 20 years ago with softmodems.
@@isodoubIet Was this 20 years ago? Because today k layouts are either easy, because you know what you are doing, or it's easy because you are using KDE/Gnome/Cinnamon and you just select the one you have from a VERY long list.
@@conjurermast No, it was around 2015 or so. I had to fiddle with some weird undocumented settings in gnome, and use a layout I found on some random guy's github. US Intl (a proper useful version of one) was not on the list.
Vivaldi (not open source, I know, I know) has helped me a lot with this "too many tabs" issue. You can ctrl+e and type the title of what you're searching for. That and the Workspaces feature are working like a charm to me.
For anyone interested, there are plenty window managers for macOS. Amethyst probably being the closest to something like i3 or awesomewm. There's also ones like Rectangle if all you're really trying to achieve is grid layouts or snapping and want to avoid the need for writing your own configs.
yabai + skhd is pretty good
It's not as good though.
I've tried WM on macOS but all the but many mac apps have fixed layouts (settings app etc..) you can't remove the annoying title-bars, nothing feel like it's streamlined tons of visual artifacts, the whole DE is running in the background wasting resources. It feels like a mess and I dislike it. Persoanlly I like the idea of only having the software I'm actually using running, keeping it simple, no settings panels etc, simple + clean config files, on my linux. However, take this will a grain of salt as I've only had around 20-30 hours on the macOS side as it was my friends computer, and I've never actually used any other operating systems other than BSD's and GNU/Linux.
@@stugeh agreed but it gets the job done for me as I have to use mac for work, of course they will never be as good as my sway config
I tried using Amethyst and yabai in macOS. Nowhere near the simplicity of i3. I ended up running a VM in Mac as my daily driver (company provided laptop).
I really need to learn how to use tmux effectively. My solution so far is to alias things to directories that I go to often. So like cdw goes to work, cds goes to scratch, cdp goes to my personal projects, etc. This has worked okay, but it does become a pain when dealing with files that are across different directories and having to constantly jump there instead of having multiple tmux terminals open at a time.
Or use zoxide. Completely changed directory navigation for me. It is “intelligent” and can guess where you’re trying to go. If you have a directory /home/username/code/python/machine-learning/ and you’re currently in root you can just type “z machine” and you’ll jump straight there. It’s awesome
I kinda get where prime comes from, mainly using linux as well because it is the best tool for my developing workflow and I even have written a similar script to quickly open projects in nvim
win shift enter, project name and I'm there
But I like customizing my linux install beyond functionality as well
I had the chance to use fedora as a workstation on one sysadmin job and I was quite happy with it. KVM so I can host my own performant mini-lab, zooming terminals, better commandline tooling ecosystem out of the box (grep vs findstr etc).
@@KucheKlizma I have yet to try fedora, somehow I always ended up for something arch based as it was the most stable
I saw Brodie’s shit eating grin after Prime said he was switching and thought he was going to say hyprland
🤣
He said Wayland.
Lol the pop OS window manager was the main reason I switched too
you use i3 on pop os?
@@myfavouritecolorisgreen I used the default tiling mode in COSMIC but have just switched to i3. Pretty happy with it ngl
I have a dual boot setup with Fedora for all my programming work and Windows for everything else. My Linux set up is also super bare bones running vanilla GNOME and the default window manager.
super bare bones and GNOME in the same sentence kekw
Why not just use wsl?
@@askeladden450 Fewer unhelpful abstraction layers, holistic integration with the entire system instead of a bolted-on shim, lower memory and power requirements, better system stability and over months and years of use, better printer support (yeah, kinda weird, but it’s a real thing), better community, more learning opportunities, and more room for optimization and customization if that’s what you think you’ll like someday. And that’s just from a beginner’s perspective. It keeps getting better.
@@askeladden450 Because you are still using windows. And also wsl sucks compared to real linux.
@@oredaze but if they are just using it for programming and dont even bother to customize the workflow, which is one of the biggest selling point of linux window managers, then i dont really see the point of going through the inconvenience of a dual boot setup.
Linux fulfilled my dream UI that I could not achieve on Windows - full screen for each window, 20 workspaces accessed by shortcuts. No title bars, menu bars, status bars, animations.
XMonad.Layout.Groups.Wmii was best experience. For Wayland I've patched a bit Sway.
Don't say "I haven't learned Linux".
You don't learn Linux.
You use Linux.
Every day.
I disagree, you can use and learn Linux, it works in different ways than Windows and Mac and you have to learn them too.
Just like a uni, bi and tri cycle work different but do the same thing and are very different to learn.
You use them but you learn them first. You aren't born with operating system user experience design baked in!
I mean...I learned Linux, deeply on a systems level
So yes, you *can* learn linux, you can also choose *not to* learn linux
Well if you are writing driver code and stuff...
I hate screen tearing so much. That's the thing that made me go back to windows back in the days. Now with wayland it feels much better
lmao I sincerely have compassion with him on that screen tearing on i3. It actually quite recently made me switch to sway, which is a good experience for the most part, but now I suddenly have issues with my second hidpi display randomly blinking black now and again, which is honestly a worse experience than screen tearing sometimes, I think, I'm not sure yet. Screen tearing is gone though and scaling feels so much better on wayland, makes using a hidpi display more comfortable.
7:08 "20 or 30 tabs open"
/cries in 900 tabs
laghs in max 7 tabs
20 or 30 tabs? Those are rookie numbers
900? I've yet to break 200, I bow to your superiority
but y tho
I use a Mac, but with virtual desktops. Single keystroke to any of the desktops. Mail, Signal, Messages on 1, Brave on 2, etc. Very similar philosophy to Prime's, but Mac.
Learning linux is really helpful to understand computers and computer history
they must be streaming on linux how out of sync the audio is
ctrl shift a lets you search your tabs, and there are extensions that nuke duplicates or just takes you to the tab instead of opening a new, I know this is an old video but still.
For the tabs on browser(firefox), searching the open tabs using "%" in the address bar is pretty good.
Thank you, I need to check out this one!
damnnnn thanks
god the way he describes it makes it sound so BEAUTIFUL
Brodie uses Arch, btw
My man just wants to work lol
that thumbnail is something
You don't know how many choices I could have made for his face, this man is a thumbnail machine
I used to use Linux for WM too. Then I recently moved to windows + wsl and glazewm
In chrome based browsers there this search opened tabs menu with ctrl + shift + a (by default), so it is possible to fuzzy search already opened tabs, idk just a suggestion for those who struggle with browser too (and don't use vieb)
Yabai is great for mac for a window manager
The thumbnail makes prime look like he is so happy to use Unix
for managing tabs I now use the tabOS extension, it's far from perfect but allows me to keep chrome clean for the first time
gonna say, macos window managers have actually matured quite a bit. I use Amethyst and it gets the job done for me. Though I think there are more customizable ones. But man is i3 so good though. actually making me wanna switch to linux full time.
Might just go sway or hyprland at this point
I really enjoy amethyst. For jumping straight from app to app without having to spam cmd+tab, Alfred workflows are great.
Sway, hyprlnd is for anime kitties,
I tried amethyst but windows don't shrink to the size properly
@@duartedias271 yeah, and certain applications are glitchy too. I think it's because you don't need to give special permission like the other window managers do. So a lot of the time i'm resetting amethyst (depending on the application) and usually stick to 3 layouts to get work done. Works for me though, haven't bothered to tryout any other one currently. you got any suggestions?
I never have too many Tabs open, but my trick is to routinely close firefox and reopen it only with the one URL for the tab I was just currently working in.
Linux's window management is just better, even Cinnamon out of the box has better workspace than a mac. I don't know why windows and mac cannot get this right ever.
Debian with kde works wonders for me, is like low maintenance, fast, boring, good workflow and reliable.
Been using windows everything-full-screen, now on macos everything-full-screen.. but even closer to "one key away" (btt/raycast). I feel linux would even faster, but need to find good pre-set.
Yabai on macOS works well enough and makes the macOS window manager not suck.
ohh man i love these no bullshit, to the point, technical chats.
I love having a simple dedicated workstation. No fuss. I have Debian running on mine. So much room for activities!
For macOS users:
I'm using yabai in stack mode, to keep a single app on the front, can also enable transparency on select apps. I use karabiner-elements to get to the app that I want with a single keymap, also set up tmux. Basically replicated Prime's dev workflow, but for macOS. It's all in my dotfiles, I even created some videos to set macOS up
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yabai is great
i use mac at work, linux at home, and yabai replicates my linux workflow pretty great, apart from the fact that i need to disable SIP to be able to switch between desktops with custom shortcuts (i don't care about transparency) and i can't do it on my work mac
one of the main issues is the active window indication so the best way for me was to turn on the option like "mouse on active window" and make the cursor T H I C C cuz i (almost) don't use it anyway
macos for me is like linux that works
i enjoy doing weird shit with my system, but when i need it to work, i want it to work
@@ser_igel I feel the same way about macOS, I love linux, but I love to run it on servers, Debian is stable as a rock, so that's why I use in all my linux servers. But when it comes to personal usage, I prefer macOS, being unix based, I can do basically all the things I could with a linux box, with the added benefit, that I know is never going to break, and I've never have to dealt with drivers or hardware compatibility issues.
Yabai is a key player here, so if someone comes from advanced Linux window managers, they definitely need to try Yabai, the rest of macOS window managers are not as feature rich and customizable.
I'm not saying that Linux breaks, but I don't want to through the process of figuring stuff out in the extremely rare event that it does. I Hate Windows though, unless it's running Debian or a Linux distro in WSL so I can get my Alacritty, tmux and neovim setup, but still, don't use it unless I strictly have no choice.
@@linkarzu Linux definitely breaks
I've used all the popular window managers and I think my favorite was bspwm and skhxd on Linux. Got a Mac recently. Learned about Yabai + skhd which basically mirrors bspwm + skhd. Now, I can do basically everything in Mac that I loved about Linux, with nearly the same configuration so the transition is pretty much seamless.
07:42 you can use ctrl L to select the address bar without creating a new tab
or ALT+D does same thing with one hand
@@bobmcbob4399 damn nice, though you could use left control if you have it
I was also skeptical about Go's error handling since I was so used to TypeScript. Six months later, coding in Go almost day, I now love it and I dislike the JS way.
Thought it was a primeagen react for a bit
To get things straight, are you using PopOS with i3?
And packages from the AUR?🤔
yes
6:58 I've had at least 40 browser tabs open at all times since 2021. I currently have over 120 tabs open split across 9 browser windows. It's not healthy, I don't recommend it.
I pretty much use Vivaldi's workspaces instead of bookmarks these days, so I have god knows how many tabs open at any given time. I find it a very convenient way to keep track of things.
Mac has Yabai, it won't ever reach Linux levels (and it's annoying to configure properly), but it is surprising to me that it is as usable as it is.
brilliant. Love prime and cool seeing him talk with linux people
yeah Brodie, you're in right path, more devs story please. especially for linux.
Please have Kenny from Mental Outlaw on the podcast!
Why isn't this on Spotify or apple podcasts yet?
Yeap, using a Mac for work and windows for gaming and all I ever want from both is i3....
2:17 that was a subtle "I use arch btw..)
Have you tried yabai for window manager on osx? It's very fast and customizable. Really resembles linux
I know someone who had some good experiences with it
hahahahahha the mac command+tab thing! finally someone vocalized how I've felt about that for years exactly!🤣
I'm running Fedora with Xmonad on my work pc, Garuda KDE with Krohnkite on my gaming pc.
I recommend both, but Xmonad requires more configuring and tinkering.
07:28 i use one desktop/workspace for each 'theme' (work, study, fun, randon, etc) then i open 1 browser window por topic (1 per search topic, 1 per consulting documentation, 1 for youtube, etc) with all the tabs related with that theme in it ....
that consumes a lot of ram, in this workspace alone i have 15 browser windows, i might have hundreds of tabs idk, so, its a good system ? no, but worked for me for years since i'm used to be anxious and cluttered :}
Not sure if that happened to anyone else, but I would just run an update on Linux, and some random feature would just break. I never had that on Windows.
I've had it happen but definitely 100x more on linux. Definitely a major pain to just lose wifi/modem drivers when you do an update lmao. SOL if those aren't on-hand.
pacman/AUR on pop_os? What's that supposed to mean? Isn't it ubuntu derivative or am I missing something?
@ThePrimeTimeagen, Sway is nice but not fun adding 4 flags to every electron app if you want it to open vs just clicking on it in the launcher :/ went back to i3 so apps opened without having to mess with them. If there are some Sway defaults fix for this I'd love to know.
Can someone ask Prime why Netflix only gives 720p on linux even with a 4K subscription? Yeah he only uses linux for windows manager 🤮
720p is fine ur crazy
@@xyangst yeah right lol most of our devices cannot even render 1080 right 🙃
I am curious too. They might think the combo of linux equals a bot (used to copy or distribute video). Or maybe webgl or something is choosing 720p due to the network broadband detection or something.
@@complexity5545 no man they do it intentionally. I mean lets ignore linux, why is 4k only available in windows with Edge? Youre telling me edge and windows is the only combo that can run 4K? You can watch 4K youtube on a linux with firefox 🫠
@@xyangstlmao the bitrate is ridiculously shit. there's no reason for netflix to shaft linux users like that.
nice talks enjoyed it
I ran Gentoo for 2 years (no longer do), I wouldn't say it isn't worth it. It's the same type of thing as saying linux isn't worth it, it depends what you do or need. Gentoo is worth it for learning, or customization, like custom initramfs, custom encryption setup, custom kernel etc. if it isn't your thing it means it isn't worth it *for you,* not that it has zero worth altogether.
I like the toolchain. I'm perfectly fine running windows with WSL. Just switched to Ubuntu for full time development. Only because it seemed easier to use native linux pathing with vim rather than WSL to windows for my specific needs.
I agree with this. Hyprland has been great for me. I die a little on the inside whenever I have to use Windows.
I like developing on Linux and eventually made the switch to it being my daily driver a few years back. I liked Windows for compatibility and put up with the ads and user data collection because of it. Linux distros and the kernel have come a long way in 10 years and it is easier than ever to switch for those wondering. Ive yet to delve into i3 too much but I understand the hype. KDE with hotkeys is fine for me :)
yeah but can you play games while working on Linux ?
I recently moved to pop os and am working on having my system work the same way, this makes total sense to me and windows is terrible at it.
Linux search is so fast!
so youre saying I can open any program pressing a specific key combination?
Average windows user: what's a window manager?
Unmanaged windows
@@Sharp931 ah my bad my bad
the windows "window manager" is called dwm, and I use dwm on linux too
Honestly I just like booting up obsd and seeing 80mb of usage. And floating windows trigger my add. It's not any deeper than that.
Funny that he talks about audio issues when the audio and video are out of sync
I completely agree with him though. Would be great if more people on Linux had that mentality
Can't wait for the new tiling window manager coming for macOS. Hopefully it's decent!
That's a large part for me as well - Linux lets me use a completely distraction free UI, while Windows is Windows and Mac OS' window management system is still like 20 years behind the rest of the world in terms of basic functionality.
no idea wtf you are on about, window managers and customization of UI exists on windows as well. including hotkeys for certain applications. has it been 20 years you have used windows? lmao
i definitely think windows' window manager is very polished although i prefer wms on linux since theyre so much more customizable
@@PsycosisIncarnated i have used that and it always work terribly. They do this by hacking system32 files and something is always broken. It's a bad hack.
macOS is basically on par with a fresh install of Fedora and Gnome in terms of functionality? Don’t know what you’re talking about. Only thing I can think of is snapping by dragging to edges which you can install in 1 minute. Everything else is basically the same? Curious what people are referring to.
@@notuxnobux theres some software that acts as a window manager without having to resort to such hacks but i forgot the fckin name… you use keybindings to move the windows around but ofcourse its not as good as i3wm or sway for example. But i mean “distraction free UI”, wtf does that even mean? Just hide the taskbar, maximize your screen, and just alt tab between applications. I also find windows Window management much better than macOS despite all the cool touchpad mechanics.
firefox has a button for tab search
Switched to Linux in 2019 and it really helped me become a better developer, but as some one that is forced to use Windows/MacOS for developing Linux software its a real pain.
but at least Windows have WSL and that is 100% better then MacOS.
swaywm + vim motions + foot terminal and neovim, my only work tools that i need
The default window management in macOS was terrible - but this year it graduated to «mediocre»! 😅
(Luckily there’s tons of third-party options to make it great, no matter your taste. But shouldn’t be as bad by default!)
for the tab issue I use Workona!
what is the software name at the thumbnail?
Mr Prime just exudes pure logic, love it.
What is that vscode theme
Clicked this because I saw the Obsidian Graph in the thumbnail.
Where is the Obsidian Graph?
I want to see the Obsidian Graph.
Ugh... Now I gotta "not skip through" the video...
On the tabs while researching I will open new windows for new topics. Then I can just close a window when I'm done