2022 Honda NAVI: Cold startup & walkaround
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Today is Friday, December 31, 2021... and it's NAVI day! I'll walk you around the bike and do a cold startup on this little 110cc carbureted engine. Skip to the end of this description for clickable time indexes.
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The new 2022 Honda NAVI is a neat little scooter that thinks it's a motorcycle. The price point is very low, and it's aimed toward beginner riders and as simple transportation. However, to meet the low price point of $1807 MSRP, Honda obviously had to cut some corners on this budget machine. The carbureted engine is a significant departure from all the modern fuel-injected motorcycles and scooters, creating a unique learning curve for new riders. You must remember to turn the fuel petcock on/off when you ride the machine, and you'll also need to be prepared to switch it over to reserve when the fuel is low, and begins to sputter... hopefully not while traveling at higher speeds or in heavy traffic.
The cold start routine is typical for most carbureted bikes. You need to use the choke lever on the left handlebar to start the engine when it's cold and let it run for about 20-30 seconds before closing the choke lever. Warm restarts shouldn't require choke unless the outside temperatures are very cold.
Unfortunately, my NAVI has an idle problem that causes it to sputter and stall while cold. It also stumbles when riding at full operating temperature at low throttle positions. I suspect that the fuel mixture is too rich because it has a strong fuel smell, like it's running on choke all the time. I'll dig into the carburetor to adjust the idle and the air/fuel mixture settings sometime soon.
The next oddity compared to more modern machines is the instrument cluster and the lighting. Nothing happens when you turn on the ignition key... no lights, no headlight, no tail lamp... nothing at all. The headlight and tail light are powered only by the engine's generator/stator, so they don't illuminate when the engine isn't running. The problem I've observed is that at low engine RPM (idle), the lights are VERY dim and flicker with the engine RPM. That needs to be resolved ASAP because a weak tail light in traffic could cause you to have a very bad day!
I will be upgrading my NAVI with LED bulbs throughout, and I will probably reroute the headlight and tail lamp circuit to be powered directly by the battery (switched with the ignition, of course). Aside from those immediate concerns, the other upgrades will be creature comforts and cargo/luggage options for my riding chores. Here is my short list of upcoming mods for the NAVI:
- LED bulbs for turn signals (also needs electronic flasher relay)
- LED bulb for tail light (probably one with an integrated flasher circuit)
- LED bulbs for gauge cluster
- driving lights on fork legs (already have a spare set of Denali DM's)
- dump the chugly OEM exhaust for something much slimmer
- GoldPlug magnetic drain bolt (probably MP-01, need to check cross-references or just pull it out to verify)
- rear rack/carrier (Honda first, maybe upgrade to SHAD later if/when it's available)
- windscreen (Honda first, maybe upgrade to MadStad or National Cycle Deflector)
- CBS delete (change front and rear brake cam arms for single cable actuation)
- rear brake left hand lever conversion from ADV150 scooter (lever has integrated parking lock)
Time indexes:
0:00 Brief walkaround of the NAVI
2:04 Cold start procedure and NAVI quirks
4:22 Low idle and stalling issues, dim flickering lights
6:26 Air/fuel mixture is too rich
7:29 Turn signal lamps are incandescent with mechanical flasher
8:24 Warm kickstart process and side stand lockout
10:09 Checking and adjusting the carburetor idle screw
14:55 Carburetor adjustments for different elevations?
17:08 View inside the storage box, should be easy to remove
19:50 Locking fuel door, under seat storage
22:34 Helmet hooks on the rear grab rail
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QM
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Open the throttle a tiny bit when cold kick starting. It will start immediately. Run 300 miles before adjusting air/fuel mixture. It is meant to run rich initially to wear in the engine.
Correct on the enrichment during break in.
If you do want to fiddle with it (which is not recommended) the screw on the right with the spring on is idle rpm. The one on the left is idle mixture. Neither will change your open throttle mixture setting. Honda engineers know their American customers very well. They know you guys will go wide open throttle on your first ride. The older technology piston/cylinder metallurgy requires a wear in period during which the engines compression will improve as it wears in achieving full combustion. The engine randomly quitting while idling is proof that full compression is not being achieved. Once it has worn in, it will
Idle smoothly at very low rpm. Also, as compression improves, the smell of unburnt gas will go away. Oh and do let it spin the rear wheel when idling to reduce wear on the CVT belt
@@ShahryarSaigol, Thanks for your comment here. Good to know to leave it alone for 300 miles.
@@ShahryarSaigol Thank you for the info!
@@ShahryarSaigol Kind Sir, are you an engine technologist or a Honda engineer or something?I am just interested to hear upon what technical authority you speak. I am a run-it-in by the manufacturuer spec kind of guy, yet many on UA-cam just go for it from new, it always makes me feel sympathy for the mechanicals. What is your view on run-in procedure? Kind regards.
Very nice. I’ll look forward to the first ride video. The carburetor jetting will be interesting on our NAVI as we live at 6300’. Thanks for this quick intro. I’ll look forward to all your content on the NAVI. Happy New Year to you and your family.
This was a great video. I've been waiting for someone to post a review as in depth as this, and I finally found it. Thanks!
Congrats on the new steed. Couldn't agree more on the exhaust, the design looks like a complete afterthought
Thinking about getting a couple of these! Looking forward to more videos.
You are a pretty good mechanic. Your dealer should be thrilled that you are willing to fix things on a brand new bike. I wonder if this carb has an actual choke plate or a cable operated enricher circuit. It will be interesting to see what you find. Keep the videos coming you are an inspiration to small bore enthusiasts.
Thanks for the video. It's refreshing to actually see someone doing an indepth video of something rather than just the basics. I was interested in the bike because my electronic bike looked exactly like the Navi however Honda is jacking up the price from what it was initially asking for it.
This is the review I've been waiting for. Thinking of this as an upgrade from my 2020 Honda Ruckus. Or as an engine donor for the Ruckus, as I love the quirky look of it...
Love these in depth vids. I hope you do videos of changing out the bulbs etc. I’m hoping to buy one of these soon and know nothing about working on bikes but would love to learn any upgrades/work you do to these bikes including the trail 125. Great 👍 job!!
First time I saw this......frankenbike!!!!
Dude, I can’t believe you have one already! Cool little bike for sure.
Just bought it this weekend. Waiting for it to be delivered Monday. I'm so hyped.
Hay QM, Happy NewYear to you and your beautiful family. Looks like the NAVI is going to lend itself to a lot of mods, which is fun to do. Take care, thanks for a great review.
Finally a video with more than one person on the bike THANK YOU🤟🏻
Thanks for the video! I’m going look at one in next few days. Yeah those lights are a safety issue for sure in my mind.
Happy New Year. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
Thanks, Kip, and a Happy New Year to you as well! 😉👍🎉
best real navi video yet thank you sir
Can't wait for mine to get here. Ordered one last month.
Great video and wonderful family!🙏
You produce such great videos that by the time I get one all my answers questions and upgrades will be easy to understand. I’m looking forward to your riding video and your thoughts
Thanks for the feedback, Barry! I'm glad that you enjoy the videos! I try to get right into the meat of the subject and avoid all of the flashy intros and other fluff. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I’m good with the fluff as you answer many questions I have .
Happy New Year to you, congratulations on your new bike!
Thanks, Richard! Happy New Year to you as well! I'll be posting more Super Cub and NAVI videos over the next several weeks. 😉👍 --QM
Happy New Year QM. I was hoping all was well with you, glad to see you you are well and now I got a bunch of your vids to watch.
I ordered this same Navi, I just have to wait for it to get out of shipping container purgatory....
Thanks, Don! I've been swamped with work lately, so my YT uploads have been slow. I'm trying to chew through my Scooter Cannonball Run series, and now I'll also be posting NAVI content several times per week! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
My first bike was a Vitacci Rocket 150cc. I love these Grom-like automatic minimotos. So glad Honda brought this out.
The NAVI is great fun to ride... it's a scooter that thinks it's a motorcycle... just twist-and-go! My NAVI's fueling problems will be sorted out soon. I will let the dealer take care of the first adjustment on the warranty card during the first 600-mile maintenance. If that doesn't resolve the issues, then I plan to replace the carburetor jets and o-rings to be sure that it's performing optimally. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Great review! I’m going to put my deposit on one next week at my local Honda dealer
I'm looking to buy one in the same color I'm going to give them a couple months being out of all the bugs are worked out by then. I'm going to keep up on your progress
It has that old school Tomos moped vibe to it. I really like it! I think my grom needs a new friend lol
Wishing you and your family a very Happy New year. God bless you always with the best of health happiness and lots more of happiness in riding your scooters and motorcycles in 2022. Looking forward to more rides and more adventures. Regards from Karthik, India
Thanks, Kartik, and a Happy New Year to you as well! 😉👍🎉 --QM
Great video, hopefully you do video walk throughs of all the upgrades you make on it, so Navi owners as myself can use as a guide, happy holidays!
Howdy, Vic, and thanks for the feedback! I will be making lots of videos on the NAVI as I progress through the upgrades and minor fixes/tweaks. If you're new to my channel, then you might want to watch some of my previous upgrade videos on other bikes.
I purchase and use all of the products that I show, and I try to show both the good and the bad... what works and what doesn't. Hopefully, that candor might help someone else save their money or sanity when upgrading their machines. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I surely will watch them, I know I'll find new ideas to use on my bikes!
Ohhh...the good old carburetors! I love...I have four bikes and three are carbureted. I'm currently riding a 2003 Suzuki Volusia 800 and I love it. I'm of the old generation and a bit old school. I'm not denigrating injectors, but it's always possible to get by with carburetors rather than injectors, in the event of esence, purity or other problems... Congratulations on this vdo. I really like this Navy. It's old school, too. Whether it will appeal to younger generations of bikers remains to be seen... I don't know, but I'm seriously considering buying one!
Son's Wife's new Navi delivered Dec 31 at Shawnee Honda in Oklahoma. Tops downhill at 55mph and a Blast!
Imagine a body like this for a People 250 with big tires, mid-storage and does 80mph?
HAPPY NEW YEAR ! ! ! Hope it turns out to be wonderful for you and your beautiful family.
Did one leave the stable to make room for Navi ?
I’ve doubled the miles on the Ryker. 👍😊
My man, great video. Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback! Be sure to check out the follow-up video that I recorded later that day: ua-cam.com/video/8q_6keXrov8/v-deo.html . The NAVI is a fun little bike! I adjusted my idle up about 1 3/4 turns to eliminate the stumbling and stalling. Now it's running great and I'm looking forward to upgrading a few minor things and then riding the wheels off of it! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Wow ur and your family is surely superb fun.
you got a beautiful family. This was a GREAT video. I still do want one. Maybe for my first Two wheels. Its just so good looking,.
This bike is cool! I would def get something like this
You only have 10 miles on it! Don’t adjust anything until it’s broken in!
Trying to outsmart highly paid and highly qualified engineers who work for the best Japanese engine manufacturer is not well thought out decision!
The engine is running rich to aid in the break-in process. Running it rich will help keep cylinder temperatures down while the piston, rings, and cylinder seat together. If the mixture is to lean you could create to much heat and mar the cylinder etc.
I understand you want to make sure everything is running perfectly on your brand new bike. But don’t over think it.
You can make a temporary idle adjustment but after the engine loosens up it will idle to high. After it is broken in it should free up a little more power too…
Agreed! I'll certainly wait to adjust the A/F mixture until after it's broken-in and after I have a shop manual to reference for the various procedures. I've been riding and racing for over 45 years, so I've tuned plenty of carburetors in my time.
Unfortunately, I had no choice with the NAVI's idle adjustment because it was constantly sputtering and dying like this every time I stopped at stop signs or made U-turns in the street. That had to be adjusted ASAP! 👍 --QM
Wow absolutely love it 😍 and the price is 👍
Great info. Was considering on getting one.
Thanks for the feedback! Be sure to check out the follow-up video that I recorded later that day: ua-cam.com/video/8q_6keXrov8/v-deo.html . The NAVI is a fun little bike! I adjusted my idle up about 1 3/4 turns to eliminate some of the stumbling and stalling. Now it's running better, and I'm going to finish the break-in miles before making any more carburetor adjustments. I'm looking forward to upgrading a few minor things and then riding the wheels off of it! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Just got mine delivered today and I love it. I live in PA and froze me ass but it was well worth it.
Congrats on your new Navi! The carburetor can be finicky in cold weather until the engine is warmed up, but the electric start makes it easy to restart if it stalls when you're sitting still. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Another fun, small and somewhat unusual bike!
hi yes the idle mixture is under the welch plug left of your screw driver sir
Will you be posting videos of your installs? Specifically when you change your LED lights. I want to do that to my NAVI as well.
This is the color I’m getting later this month! 😊
I would release the manual hand brake too.
If the wheel is spinning that means the Variator/clutch are slightly engaging (not aproblem) and by you engaging the brake it’s causing resistance which will affect the idle.
And definitely don’t keep blipping the throttle with the handbrake on.
The rear wheel won't be spinning if you're stopped in traffic or sitting at an intersection. The idle issue that I'm illustrating is happening while the bike is stationary, and it has died 8-10 times under those conditions while I've been out on the public streets.
Bumping the idle up ~400 RPM (near 2100 now, factory is 1700 +/- 100 RPM) seems to have minimized the stumbling/stalling issues, but it's still there in the background... stumbles and nearly stalls, but it continues running. That usually indicates an A/F imbalance, weak spark or CDI, or leaky carburetor fittings. The exhaust smell is very rich, so the A/F ratio is the likely cause.
Forcing a high idle to prevent the stumbling isn't a long-term solution because that partially engages the centrifugal clutch, which results in premature clutch & belt wear. I will suffer with it for ~300 miles during the initial engine break-in period, and then I'll drill out the brass block-out plate that's covering the A/F mixture screw. I'll reset the carb to the factory settings and then adjust the idle per the service manual. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Yep all wise words and agree with your principles……but applying the handbrake on the centre stand is pointless.
It will firstly be causing drag which will help to stall the engine as per your video, cold start on the driveway.
Then secondly blipping the throttle repeatedly like that with 100% resistance is pointless. Just release the handbrake. Cold starts with the above actions is not the same as hot idle in traffic.
I’m not saying your principals are wrong, it just makes me cringe seeing the handbrake applied on the centre stand with engine running plus the blipping……..you should stop that practice as it’s not helping or proving anything.
I see a comment about altitudes? If it is 6300’ then your AF mixture will definitely be compromised as am sure you are aware. I’d simply head out for the day, get the mileage done and put it in for its first service, tell the dealership the issues and they will tune it for you at that service job done, with hopefully nothing else needed.
@@billshuni Doing these procedures on video to illustrate principles/problems is always a bit tricky, and it takes a lot more time than just DOING it. Everyone has their own opinions and procedures that they've established over time, and that confirmation bias affects their perception of the situation. However, this starting procedure is BY THE BOOK from Honda's owner/operator manual:
P.28: "2. Lock the rear brake (-->P.25).",
P.30: "2. Warm up the engine by opening and closing the throttle slightly.",
P.30: "3. Continue warming up the engine until it will idle smoothly with the choke lever pushed forward all the way to fully off."
I'm sure that the A/F mixture is misadjusted on this carburetor because of the smell. It's VERY rich and that will cause these types of issues at idle and while transitioning from idle to main jet at part throttle. I've seen this dozens of times... when raising the idle stop slightly and the idle doesn't improve, the A/F is too rich (too lean tends to cause RPM surging). The reason for the idle not improving is that the main jet needle raises slightly with the carburetor venturi slide, which introduces MORE fuel into the mixture and that exacerbates the problem. Leaning-out the mixture is the fix, but that needs to be balanced without the PAIR (emmissions valve) connected, which can interfere with a proper baseline and idle setting.
My plan is to suffer through the stutters until the ~300-mile break-in has been completed, and then I'll take it back to the dealer for adjustment (so they can note it on the warranty card for Honda's statistics). Otherwise, I'll just drill out the block-out plate covering the A/F screw and then reset the mixture per the procedures listed in the service manual. If you're interested in the gritty details, then here are a couple of links to the manuals referenced here:
- 2022 Honda NAVI Owner's manual: cdn.powersports.honda.com/documentum/MWOM/ml.remawmom.2022_nva110b_english_owner_s_manual.pdf
- Honda NAVI service manual: www.dropbox.com/s/lyep8xzc8siefqv/vsip.info_manual-de-servicio-navi-3-pdf-free.pdf?dl=0
Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard cool response 👍 and hear what you are saying.
I’ve tuned many Vespa’s over the years so understand the balancing act needed between jets, mixture, filter etc.
I just see the handbrake as a side stand anti roll device, and if Vespa had them back when, I wouldn’t have applied in that instance……..but can also see the group safety of it not flying off in untrained hands should the centre stand rock forwards.
Good luck with it and happy new year.
The muffler extended wide is good , no need to dimantel it when taking off the rear tire .
Don't keep the parking brake on after start! The CVT drags a bit on the engine. Did the same thing on our Ruckus but warmed up fine with it off and rear wheel freewheeling.
Really interesting that both tail and headlight are run off the generator. I have an old CT110 and the headlight is run off the gen but the tail is thankfully run off battery.
Oh my god where did you buy it? I called my nearest dealer in Houston and they still dont have any.. nvm noticed EASTSIDE HONDA on the paper plates.. was the out the door price around $2,600?
Looks good, I would need it to hit 55 to 60mph. My weight would not help achieving that goal
3 up?!?! That poor little piston!! Kidding. Looks like it’ll be fun bike 😎
bro its used as a 3up in india going 45mph xD 3 adults m saying lol
I have two very nice motorcycles, but I really want one of these.
The silver screw with the spring is idle the brass screw is air fuel mixture the screw on the right is bowl drain screw
My has the same idling problem when cold.
Can you make a video at night to show the stock lighting capabilities? As well as honk the horn? It would be appreciated, I have a 22 Grom with ABS and will get my Navi in soon.
Will do! I'm planning to do a lighting comparison video when I upgrade my lights in the next week or so. I'll try to remember to get daytime and nighttime shots of the stock vs. LED lights all the way around... headlight, speedo backlight, tail light, and signals. 😉👍 --QM
I don't know why you had to buy and film a Navi. Now I want one.
🤣 LOL! I'm the Devil when it comes to moto temptations! 😉👍 --QM
Can you record your upgrades if possible getting my Honda navi this week so it would be very helpful because there’s no videos on the fix ups. Thank you 🙏
Howdy, Johnny! I am planning to record all of my NAVI upgrades and maintenance chores, so we can all learn together! I ordered the windshield and rear rack today, and they are expected to arrive in just a few days. I'll post those upgrade videos ASAP! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard sounds good thanks my brother 🙏✊
In México, the storage box is an extra option. It costs the equivalent to around $25 dolars
Thanks for the info, Manuel! Are there very many upgrade modifications for the NAVI in Mexico? We are already looking for upgraded exhausts and other performance parts here in the USA. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
You would think that for the prep fee they would adjust the idle as part of that before handing off it off.
I thought about that, but it might not have been acting up when they prepped the bike. I didn't notice it at first either. The engine is still new, so it might settle in after a few hundred miles and not be so finicky. The A/F mixture seems to be too rich just judging by the smell. I'm still gonna ride the wheels off of it, though! 😉👍 --QM
Cant get one of these to save my life! Got 2k burning a hole in my wallet and i get like 2-3 months wait here in California and all i want to do is drive around my neighborhood with beers in the storage space, way better than an e bike
Ryobi makes bikes?
Nice
I wonder if the carbureted Navi's recent availability in the US is Honda's response to the chip shortage.
Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking, too. It would have been great if they borrowed the EFI from the Zoomer-X 110 in Mexico (or just used that engine instead). I think Honda might have a few warehouses full of these from other markets where they didn't sell very well, and they decided to gamble on the USA market again.
Historically, scooters have been very poor sellers in the USA market, but the miniMOTO's have been a phenomenal sucess. The Grom was the catalyst that started the small-bore resurgence in public interest in small bikes again. Honda has been adding more miniMOTO's to their line up every year, so maybe the tides are turning for small bikes and scooters. I'd love to see more of Honda's small bikes here... they just need to truck them north from Mexico like they did with the NAVI! Cheers! 😉👍
Hi how long do they take to warm up?
Hi live in the U.K. , the Honda Navi was not imported from Honda U.K.
My friend has managed to buy a grey imported Navi yesterday.
Can you buy Honda Navi Merchandise ok in the USA?
I ordered mine getting ranger green
Crazy cheap price and seems super fun to ride around. I own a trail 125 and love it. I would get one of these for friends to ride but honestly no fuel injection kills it for me.
Using California ethanol crap gas makes a carb too hard to live with. That first time you forget to put fuel stabilizer in it you will pay. To make matters worse the carb is not that easy to get to for removing clogs.
I think almost everyone would have paid $200 more to get EFI. Also it seems to have pretty terrible emissions out of the box. Perhaps because of the chip shortage they had to just slap on a carb?
If they refresh it with efi I’ll put down a deposit. Enjoy the videos, thanks.
Agreed! I really wish that Honda would have gambled on the extra $200-300 cost and upgraded these to fuel-injection. I have several carbureted bikes, and I'm always annoyed when I need to pull the carbs to clean out idle jets that are gunked up with ethanol boogers.
I'm surprised that Honda would import this bike from Mexico, but NOT import the Zoomer-X 110 scooter that's already made and sold in Mexico. The Zoomer is fuel-injected and I think that it would sell a lot more units than the current Ruckus. 😉👍
@@QuasiMotard 100% agree with you there. No EFI aside, sometimes you got to ride what exists/is sold instead of waiting for perfection.
I have been looking at EFI kits for small engines. I believe there are some on the market for a single cylinder don’t need a cam or crank sensor. Would be an interesting mod on this bike. Likely plenty of room to add the fuel pump and throttle body.
I have been considering putting one on my Xr650r. I already have a O2 bung installed for tuning my lectron carb with a wideband. The bike has a very tiny LiFePO4 pack though and might be hard to start with just a kickstart priming the pump…
@@QuasiMotard you can order efi kit from India for these. It shares engine with Honda dio. Costs less than $200
I like the mirror phone mount, quadlock?
Yep, you guessed it! That is the QuadLock mirror stem mount. I just swapped it out today for sevearl RAM ball mounts and the QuadLock vibration damper that I use on my other bikes. Those RAM ball mounts are amazing... multi-purpose and you can put nearly anything on them. 😉👍 --QM
I am looking at buying a small scooter/bike so I can load on the back of my RV. Trying to decide between the Honda Navi and the Trail 125 ABS. What do you guys think?
Yes
If you bump up the idle, will that cause an issue with the CVT trying to grab when at idle?
Yes, it will cause the clutch to engage if you raise the idle too high. I bumped my Navi's idle up above the stumbling, but it was causing the clutch to drag a bit while stopped. I dropped the idle a few hundred RPM and that helped.
I still haven't done the 600-mile maintenance or adjusted the carburetor yet. I'm hoping that an adjustment fixes the idle stumbling and surging. We'll see! 😉👍 --QM
Hiya Aaron Ive just googled this bike for British market looks like its not going to come here as with the CT 125 which is a shame.
Im not sure about the NAVI that Exhaust really sticks out a bit far.
Cant wait for the normal running video of it that your do.
Those tires look chunky enough for some rough riding.
Marc In Bletchley G6XEG
Hey Marc, try looking at some Southern Irish dealers. They often got the "Grey imports" we used to get as part of their normal inventory.
Howdy, Marc! I recorded my second ride video today and I'm feeding it into the editing station tonight. I'll try to get that out tomorrow before my live stream on UA-cam. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
That’s not a mixers screw on the bottom of the float bowl ,it’s to drain the float bowl.
Were you able to fix you Navi I have the same issue won’t start?
Congrats on your new NAVI! My NAVI's carburetor is still misbehaving, but I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet for the 600-mile first service. I'm hoping that they can adjust it under warranty so I don't need to mess with it (yet).
Adjusting the carburetor (or replacing it with an aftermarket unit) won't be difficult. There are several aftermarket companies that are selling jet kits and other intake/exhaust bits, so that's my next stop if adjusting the A/F screw doesn't resolve my NAVI's idle issues. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Most all of the shortcomings of this NAVI can be explained by this : $1800 MSRP, the cheapest Honda and designed for a beginner rider .
What was the out the door price
If you don't mind me asking what was your otd price for it? I live in Texas as well and torn between Navi or Grom as a 2nd bike for fun/teaching family to ride and take on camping trips.
You can see all of the gritty details in my livestream from the dealer's showroom here: ua-cam.com/video/64QG635R7aM/v-deo.html
My OTD price before state taxes was $2339.24, then $2654.04 after Texas sales tax and registration.
I've received messages from other NAVI owners who said their OTD prices have been between $2051 to $2700... so each dealer has their own idea on pricing. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks, that seems pretty reasonable because on bigger bikes I've looked at they usually ended up being 2k+ over advertised price when those fees and taxes hit.
You need to adjust the air screw.
Once idle is turned up bulb flickering will go happens on most bikes
Looks like you got one with a few minor issues, but I think these things are cool as hell
1807 dollars gets you a rideable scooter / motorcycle hybrid that you can transport yourself around the city, it even comes with a decent storage compartment
It's kind of an overused phrase, but I think this is a game changer
Agreed! These are early teething issues, and I'm sure that can tweak it or upgrade bits as necessary for my needs/preferences. The idle has been fixed (mostly) after this first video, so check out the second ride video that I made later that afternoon: ua-cam.com/video/8q_6keXrov8/v-deo.html . I'm very impressed with this little bike (scoot) overall... especially in terms of it's suspension and ride quality. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@JasonWade My OTD price before state taxes was $2339.24, then $2654.04 after Texas sales tax and registration.
I've received messages from other NAVI owners who said their OTD prices have been between $2051 to $2700... so each dealer has their own idea on pricing. --QM
@@JasonWade Yeah, that's unfortunate. It sounds like you need to find a better dealer. I'm a frequent flyer at most of the Houston area dealers, so they always work with me on pricing and first releases. I don't mind paying them full MSRP for the new bikes so I can have easy access and the ability to make the videos in their shops. 😉👍 --QM
I can’t ride but if we were neighbors I would literally pay you to teach me and the wife.
You wouldn't even need to pay me... just a beer or dinner is enough of a bribe! I don't need much of an excuse to c̶o̶r̶r̶u̶p̶t̶ help others into enjoying motorcycling... just ask Adrian, my riding buddy! 🤣👍 --QM
hi handsome. i love your videos and vocabulary words. great job.
Thank you! 😉👍 --QM
Nice looking little bike. I've been playing with the idea of getting something in the 100-150cc range to introduce me to bikes and save on gas. I like that the grom has manual transmission but I kinda prefer carb for some reasons and the Navi is about half the price new (surely used will be a fair bit cheaper too). I'd be interested to see you kick start the navi totally cold. It looked completely effortless here
Howdy, Greg! I was planning to do a cold start when we had our low of 30°F this morning, but I got busy with other tasks and forgot about it. Our low temp is forecasted to be 28°F tomorrow morning, so I'll be sure to have the cameras ready and my warm fuzzy slippers on for that test! 😉👍 --QM
I am curious if the passenger peg with a foot on it would come close to the muffler, and that is why the location of the muffler, is where it is. In India that front bracket, is for the front license plate. People in India add crash bars and auxiliary lighting to them. Bunch of videos here on UA-cam. My understanding is this bike was engineered in house by Honda in India for their market. Now Honda is producing the Navi in Jalisco Mexico at the same place where they make the Honda Fit. Apparently the Navi in India only cost $700 USD. In India the storage I look forward to seeing all your mods and adventures with the Honda Navi. Wishing you and yours a very happy, prosperous and safe New Year.
Thanks for the feedback, Edward! I've been watching lots of NAVI videos from India to see their mods and upgrades. The muffler sits lower and behind the passenger pegs, so I don't see any reason that it needs to be so wide. It could be the same muffler that was used on the Activa scooter, and maybe didn't look out of place on that bike. I'm searching for an aftermarket muffler, but I might have a custom prototype made by Coffman's Exhaust in California. I'll just need to send my original exhaust to them first, which means I can't ride the NAVI until I get it back. Hmm... decisions, decisions. 😉
I noticed the license plates on that front bracket... they have very skinny plates compared to ours here in the USA. I'll be recording all of my upgrades and mods to share on UA-cam so other owners (or prospective owners) can see if those mods might work for their needs. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you again. Looking forward to all your future uploads. I had the crazy idea of getting an Activa fuel injection system and putting it on the Navi.
@@123edwardzpad That might be a fun project! A detailed wiring diagram, exploded parts diagrams, and access to the Honda parts catalogs would be the big hurdles. If the engines are identical (just missing the sensors and EFI bits), then it could be a plug-n-play deal. However, if the NAVI's main wiring harness isn't setup for the EFI, then the hacking could get intense and painful. 😉👍 --QM
Perhaps leaving a bit of choke on until it warmed up would have helped.
Frist of all don't change the head light and taillight run off magneto their reason for which draw and changing system and it doesn't have cat system, bump up the idle screw a bit as for the pilot screw it's most likely plugged off with brass plug as it right next to idle screw that other idle screw is for fuel bowl
its a pain, very hard starting when cold, took back to dealer all they did was turn up idle, still have same problem, junk. you get what you pay for
It seems to be hit or miss with the carburetor issues on the Navi. Some owners don't have any problems (or very minor ones), while others have experienced these terrible idle problems.
The unfortunate truth is that most motorcycle shops and service centers don't know how to diagnose and tune carburetors anymore... it's becoming a lost art because nearly all bikes are fuel-injected now.
The best bet for carb tuning (aside from learning the craft yourself) is to find a shop that still works on dirt bikes and older street bikes. Their technicians should still be intimately familiar with carburetors, and they probably have a bunch of spare jets, needles, and clips in their parts inventory for tuning. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Hi, just had mine stolen and would really like to know if you have to have the key in order to kickstart it. Can’t find anything when you google it so any info will help, thanks.
Wow, sorry to hear about the theft! The key is necessary to start the bike with either the electric or kick start. However, it's easy to bypass (hotwire), and no key is necessary to roll it away if the column wasn't locked or if the bike wasn't physically secured with a chain.
Good luck with the recovery and I hope you're riding again soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
nervous because this seems easy to just be carried away lol
It's quiet. 125?
Update a year later?
What i see ..you can change the rear tyre without removing the exhaust.... because of the bigger space...
Agreed! I noticed the same thing. Lots of room to remove the rear wheel without dropping the exhaust first. 😉👍 --QM
I though tail lights must be on and powered for 30min? Minimum with the engine off for street legal bikes. Bikes I’ve dual sported had to have a battery installed to pass inspection for the conversion.
I'm not sure what the DOT stipulations are for motorcycles or how Honda managed to squeak the NAVI past the requirements. As far as I remember, all motorcycles are REQUIRED to have headlamp and tail lamp active at all times in the USA since the late 80's. 😉👍 --QM
Is this what you traded your Rebel 1100 for?
In all seriousness, this thing makes the Grom look like a Panigali.
🤣 LOL! No, the Rebel is still in the stable waiting patiently. I almost decided to make a shocker video as a gag... ride one of my sport bikes there and leave it as a trade-in. The video would have been titled "Downgrading from 600cc to 110". 😉👍 --QM
So you think one of these would be a good beginning bike for a 6 foot tall 200 pound guy? Mainly for rural roads and what not. I love how these things look, their much more motorcycle looking then a scooter 😂
Howdy, Allen! That's a good question. I don't think you would have any problems at all... as long as you don't need to travel over 50 MPH. I ran mine around today for my second ride video, and I was seeing 45-50 MPH easily, and 50-54 MPH occasionally (without wind or inclines). The scoot will likely loosen up and get bit quicker after it's initial break-in period.
The ergonomics and suspension compliance are VERY good for a budget bike. I was very impressed with the ride quality yesterday when we were riding it 3-up. I took note of the ride quality again today when I did my video... it actually takes potholes better than my Super Cub, which really surprised me.
I'm planning to do another live stream tomorrow for New Year's day. If you're able to tune in, then I can field some questions for you in real time! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
My 76 C70 is just the same, only indicators and horn off the battery and s help a rich. I bet there's not much difference in the engine in over 50 years!
How much you pay after tax and fees?
It was like 2700-2800 out the door
You can see the full buyers contract in the live stream here: ua-cam.com/video/64QG635R7aM/v-deo.html . My OTD price in Texas was $2654.04 ($2339.24 before TT&L). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
It's like a Bic lighter with wheels.
But it makes me think smoking's not so bad after all.
🤣 I'm planning to put RYOBI stickers or logos on it somewhere. It looks like RYOBI started making scooters! 😉👍 --QM
Dang that thing looks good. But the little quarks are a no go for me
Yep, I'll get to the bottom of these problems and I'll upgrade whatever is needed. I'll be sure to keep a running tally of the mods and fixes so prospective owners know what they're looking at for a total cost of ownership. 😉👍 --QM
Keep in mind this bike was discontinued in India because the engine couldn't pass their emissions laws, do yeah it's not the most efficient burning thing out there.
But, this engine is used all over the world for decades, and there are probablya dozen knockoff versions. There should be ton of documentation fro. Europe and Asia to learn from. Plenty of repair and modification parts, even some aftermarket.
What exhaust are you planning on getting
I don't know what fits yet, so I'm researching the foreign markets for Activa 110 scooter upgrades. I'm sure that we'll have plenty of options from Webike Japan if we can compile a good cross-reference list. Local resellers in the USA will certainly catch up soon, so I'll be watching SteadyGarage.com and HardRacing.com to see which products they have for the NAVI. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard please keep us posted I’m curious cuz once I get my Navi I’m wanting a yoshirmuri exhaust. I was told I would have to re jet it? So I want to see how you do yours
@@QuasiMotard my local dealer isn’t getting mines till March but I’m already over here ordering parts wth lol.
@@civic2323 Will do! I'm planning to contact Coffman's Exhaust tomorrow morning (Monday) to see if they want to work on a prototype. I'll sacrifice my NAVI's OEM exhaust for the cause. Unfortunately, I won't be able to ride my bike until I receive the new exhaust because Coffman's will need mine for prototyping (unless they already have a NAVI owner nearby that's willing to drop off their bke for a few days).
Tuning the carburetor is highly recommended after changing the pipe, particularly with scooter exhausts that contain the catalyst. I'm not sure if the NAVI's exhaust has a cat or not, but I'll find out soon. If the airflow isn't drastically altered (e.g,. retaining the cat and/or not adding a high-flow intake), then minor adjustments to the air/fuel mixture screws and the main jet needle position will usually bring things into balance. If that doesn't work, then swapping out the idle jet and main jet isn't difficult to do.
The tricky part about re-jetting is finding the right balance on a new combination of parts. The best way is to use a wideband O2 sensor and an EGT (exhaust gas temp) meter on a dyno. Taking good baselines of the original configuration is also a good idea so you can glean info about the "normal" operating parameters of the engine (e.g., CHT, EGT, O2/lambda measurements, etc). The goal is to make as much power as possible without raising the EGT outside of safe operating limits... that causes scorched pistons, burned valves, etc. LEAN = HOT = BAD DAY.
I'll keep everyone updated on that project as it unfolds. If it works out, I'm sure that Coffman's will be able to sell a BOATLOAD of them to NAVI owners... this OEM unit is seriously chugly. The final product should include a "how-to" on the exhaust install, re-jetting/tuning the carburetor, and settings for different upgrade configurations (e.g., exhaust-only, intake-and-exhaust, etc). Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
In my minds this just sounds like a redesigned 4 stroke Honda spree
Yeah, increase the idle and you'll be fine.
How the heck did you get a Navi already?
I know, right! I wasn't expecting it to land until late January or early February. I'm probably not even the first in Texas this time. Another channel viewer sent me a message on Instagram yesterday saying that he also has a green NAVI and he's right here in Katy, TX with me! Small world!
I'll try to coordinate a meet-up ride with him next weekend to compare notes and to make a video. Who knows... maybe this will be the start of the west Houston/Katy NAVI Squad?! 😉👍 --QM
I'm getting a Navi this summer.