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КОМЕНТАРІ • 476

  • @jeff6660
    @jeff6660 18 днів тому +184

    I am so sick of these people whose minds are stuck in bronze age mythologies.

    • @jeffreyp1855
      @jeffreyp1855 18 днів тому

      The religious have set our species back, potentially, hundreds of years because of their ridiculous beliefs. Really sad! I hate religions so much!

    • @AntitheistHuman
      @AntitheistHuman 18 днів тому +16

      Indeed, I struggle to understand how people have the position of believing mythology AND make life decisions and laws and discrimination to others completely because of that belief

    • @user-yl3mp7um6k
      @user-yl3mp7um6k 18 днів тому +7

      More like stuck in the outhouse.

    • @AdmiralBison
      @AdmiralBison 17 днів тому

      Yeah, it is frustrating, but Atheists must bear with it and forgive (genuine) Christians for they do not know what they believe... most Christians were indoctrinated and sold the nonsense since childhood for generations.
      The "light" at the end of the tunnel is Religion overall is on its way out, church attendance continues to decline, and more Christians are leaving Religion for various reasons - LGBQT bigotry, increasingly political, sexual abuse, scammers etc...
      The facts and trend, unlike Religion, are not lying.
      More and more people leaving Religion as they discover they can and are having a moral and spiritual life without Religion and the god beliefs.
      I suspect however Religion will become increasingly desperate to try and remain relevant before it inevitably dies.
      i.e. shove Bibles in public schools, legislate Christian laws, "Christian nationalism", more scummy apologists and proselytizing etc..

    • @JB-yb4wn
      @JB-yb4wn 17 днів тому +10

      Problem is that these brain trusts vote.

  • @MrMattSax
    @MrMattSax 17 днів тому +66

    “Do either of you atheists believe in…. THE HOLY SPIRIT???”
    This dude is a cartoon character.

    • @samanthajayewardene4523
      @samanthajayewardene4523 7 днів тому +1

      🤣😂

    • @TorianTammas
      @TorianTammas 5 днів тому +2

      The spirit as in alcohol? I understand that drugs play a role on many religious groups. So to turn water to wine to make drunk people more drunk at a party like Jesus should have done helps surely.

  • @devonceyjones1588
    @devonceyjones1588 18 днів тому +108

    Indoctrination is a hell of a drug

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer 18 днів тому +20

      He took the pill, for that I pity him.
      But as a pastor he also hands out the pills, for that I despise him.

    • @johnsergei
      @johnsergei 18 днів тому +5

      & a multi trillion $ industry.

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 17 днів тому

      Yes, it is. That's why the devil (Satan) came up with the evolution theory and presented it to man so he could try and push God out of the picture. It will never work because love is more powerful than hate. God is Love!

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 17 днів тому +1

      ​@@paulgemme6056 you, you personally, get all your morality and ethics from outside the Bible. And I can prove it. You get your morality and ethics from the exact same place atheists do. You personally, do not live exactly as the Bible commands you to. And that's a good thing because the Bible is an evil book that commands you to commit evil acts. The fact that you don't commit those evil acts (because if you did you'd be in prison, unable to post on UA-cam) means you're a far far more moral and ethical person than the Bible wants you to be, because you get your entire moral code from outside the Bible. And I can prove it.
      It's the practice of secular humanism. Essentially, the idea that morality is secular and objective. You make just one single subjective concession, the idea that helping as many humans as much as possible is a good thing, but then everything else other than that is objectively moral, objectively working towards that goal, and it all stems and grows from that original goal, that original maxim that it's a good thing to help people.
      People who only act good and charitable because they're coerced into it by the threat of eternal torture, aren't good people.
      Honestly, most Christians are better, more moral and ethical people than the bible commands them to be. Christians already get their code of morality from outside the bible or any other religious sources, just like atheists do. But they don't seem to realise that, because they never bother to actually read the bible and find out about the awful stuff it tells people to do.
      Because Jesus was a bigot. Most Christians are far more moral and ethical people than jesus ever was, they're better people than him. The proof is the Bible itself. They're better people than the Bible literally commands them to be. Because Christians get their code of morality from outside the bible, just like atheists do. I don't think anyone actually needs the bible in their life. Most Christians are already better people than the bible wants them to be, so why need it at all? They already pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow, they don't follow everything it tells them to do, which proves they already get their morality from outside the bible anyway, because they just inherently know that things like slavery and murder and physically punishing young girls for being rape victims are evil and wrong, even though the Bible says it's OK.

      Because jesus explicitly says in the bible in Matthew 5:17 _EVERY_ _SINGLE_ _LAW_ _AND_ _RULE_ in the Old Testament still applies and will continue to apply until the end of time. In John 7:16-19 he berates people for disobeying the old testament, and in Luke 15:17 he says it's easier for the universe to fall apart than for one single letter of the law to.

      So picking and choosing which parts you wanna follow is literally disobeying a direct command from jesus. You either follow literally every single law in the bible unwaveringly, or you're not actually a Christian, and that's according to Jesus himself quoted word for word in the bible.

      And so if you already aren't getting your morality from the bible at all, why even need it in the first place? Most Christians in the world are absolutely 100% more moral people than the Bible asks them to be, they are already far better people than the Bible thinks they should be. They're surely against slavery, against genocide, against murder, against rape and especially the rape of children, against women and children having to obey the man that owns them (father or husband) and if they don't obey everything their owner says, the owners are allowed to kill the women and children to death for disobeying, and still are allowed into heaven because it "doesn't count" as murder under those circumstances. That's what the Bible tells people to do, follow those objectively evil commandments, like murder and slavery and rape being OK. The vast majority of Christians are against all of those things. They are already good people, so why should they need to read a book where anything that agrees with what they already think, they keep, and anything that disagrees with what they already think, they ignore? They pick and choose from the bible because it's obvious which parts of it are objectively evil, and so if the Bible never says these things are evil, then how does anyone know that they are evil at all? Because morality comes from outside the Bible. Morality is secular and objective, and it's the same morality atheists follow, and the vast majority of all religious people follow. It doesn't come from any holy book. Because if it did, then they wouldn't ignore half of the rules in their holy books.

      By picking and choosing which parts to follow, they're proving that your morality comes from outside the Bible, because otherwise they wouldn't know which parts are good and which are not, if their morality didn't come from outside of the bible, then they wouldn't know which parts are so bad that you have to ignore them to be a good person. Nobody had to ever tell them that murder and slavery is bad, they just know it. Because humans are inherently moral and morality is secular. The minority of people who aren't like that don't represent the other 99% of humans. Humans are naturally altruistic and charitable. It's how the human race survived several near extinction events. Because people worked together in communities and tribes, meanwhile all the individualistic and selfish people died off in ice ages or catastrophic volcano eruptions or any other of the near extinction events. The human race was down to just a few thousand people, a few thousand survivors, and everyone alive today is descended from that small group who worked together to survive, and it's why humans are naturally altruistic and charitable and they help their fellow man because they know it's the objectively moral thing to do.
      ⠀ ⠀
      So why even need the Bible at all, then? If your morality already comes from outside the bible, which is why you don't own people as property, or murder your wife and child for disobeying you, or go around raping children. You know those are bad ideas, without anybody ever needing to tell you that. The Bible never had to tell you murder is bad and immoral for you to understand that. That belief of yours already existed before you read the bible. Someone who's morality hypothetically _DOES_ come from the bible would need to be told by the Bible that murder is bad, and they wouldn't have known that otherwise.

      The vast majority of Christians are far more moral ethical people than the Bible commands them to be. Very very few Christians follow the Bible word for word even though Jesus literally commanded them to do and said that anyone who doesn't follow every law both big and small, wouldn't get into heaven.

      So the bible is just an unnecessary extra step. Your morality is already there, you don't need to spend time double checking it, by using the bible, and then ignoring any time the Bible doesn't agree with you anyway. The Bible is not going to change your mind on things like slavery and child rape, you're going to not follow those parts of the bible anyway, so it's just a waste of your time reading through it all like that. Christian's morality is not based on the Bible, it never was, it comes from outside of it. So why waste time going through it all like that if it is not going to change your morality anyway? No, in fact, the bible has to adjust to _YOU_ and _YOUR_ morality, by the fact you throw out the bits that don't agree with you. That's how the vast majority of Christians treat the bible. It's why in countries like here in the UK, there's plenty of gay priests, and gay church goers, because it's accepted. They threw out the evil command that being gay is an abomination, because their morality come from outside the bible and they know that being homophobic is wrong without anyone ever needing to teach them that. No holy book ever told them homophobia is wrong, they just know it.
      Most Christians are good people, or at least much better than what the bible wants them to be. Not because anyone ever had to tell them how to be a good person. No, they're good person people because they were born that way, and 99% of humans are the same way, naturally moral and ethical and kind and altruistic and charitable.

    • @JB-yb4wn
      @JB-yb4wn 17 днів тому +1

      @@landsgevaer
      When you are right, you are god damned right!

  • @drzaius844
    @drzaius844 18 днів тому +127

    This is the kind of guy that would burn a witch.

    • @ChrisM-zm4li
      @ChrisM-zm4li 16 днів тому +8

      Yup. Pure evil presenting itself as the only good.

    • @terrycraig6386
      @terrycraig6386 15 днів тому +3

      ​@@ChrisM-zm4li I don't think he's evil. just highly confused and brainwashed.

    • @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt
      @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt 15 днів тому +10

      ​@@terrycraig6386if he thought his god wanted him to do it theres nothing he wouldn't do.

    • @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt
      @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt 15 днів тому +4

      10:34 the holy spirit allows him to understand the word of god....yet all the different denominations can't agree what the word of god says. Hahahaha

    • @hansleeuw2840
      @hansleeuw2840 15 днів тому

      @@terrycraig6386 evil. no doubt.

  • @nietzscheII-oz4zj
    @nietzscheII-oz4zj 18 днів тому +86

    An example of the damage a person can suffer if their brain is washed for too long and ironed too hot.

    • @DarrinKemp-lr1cz
      @DarrinKemp-lr1cz 18 днів тому +12

      Isn't it funny how brainwashing doesn't make thought clearer or cleaner.

    • @landsgevaer
      @landsgevaer 18 днів тому +5

      He isn't just a washed, he is also a washer.

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 17 днів тому +1

      ​@ScienceNow- his brain is like when you're washing your white clothes in the laundry and accidentally leave a red sock in there, turning everything pink and ruining it all forever

    • @lfl5982
      @lfl5982 16 днів тому +1

      @@DarrinKemp-lr1cz I consider it Braindirtied

    • @ksan1648
      @ksan1648 13 днів тому

      And then starched and pressed!

  • @TheStupendousMusicMan
    @TheStupendousMusicMan 18 днів тому +40

    Kudos to the pastor who put the honest work to listen, answer and, most important, THINK about the topics discussed. It's all about the interaction and the engagement.

    • @JayMaverick
      @JayMaverick 18 днів тому +8

      Or most likely not. Callers like this make a living pretending to listen and then turning around to preach the same bullshit to whoever listens.

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому +3

      ​@@JayMaverickexactly. It's the mere pretence of reasonableness. Totally mindless.

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 17 днів тому +3

      ​@@JayMaverick the point of any debate or discussion like this isn't to change the mind of the person you're arguing with. That's impossible. You'll never change their mind. Because when human beings are presented with arguments and evidence that debunks their beliefs, they actually become MORE entrenched in their beliefs and believe them even more. It's just a weird quirk of how human brains work. Partly because people are too embarrassed and ashamed to ever publicly admit that they were wrong. If their beliefs are public, they'll never possibly be changed or reversed.
      No, the point of discussions and debates like this is to change the minds of the people listening to or watching the debate. The silent observers. The audience, the crowd. They simply watch. They never profess their beliefs to the thousands of people watching. And therefore their minds are extremely changeable. They can have their beliefs completely reversed and because they never told anyone what those beliefs were, they don't have the human psychological stubbornness that makes them even more entrenched in their false beliefs, they can change their minds completely and nobody will ever know.
      So you'll never change the mind of the person you're debating with. But you _CAN_ change the minds of the thousands of people who are watching the debate. It's an extremely effective way to do so.

    • @ct7246
      @ct7246 15 днів тому +2

      you were fooled by the illusion of thinking. 33 years of "bible study", calling into an atheist talk show to preach, and unsure if he'd disown his own children for being non-believers. it's over for this guy.

    • @TheKosmikid
      @TheKosmikid 7 днів тому +2

      Are you joking? I don’t think he answered more than one question. He went off on tangents that were completely irrelevant.

  • @keaco73
    @keaco73 18 днів тому +102

    These people worship a book not a god.

    • @johnsergei
      @johnsergei 18 днів тому +3

      Spot on. Or mostly worship their interpretation of it. & BOY! some of those interp's are really weird.

    • @TorianTammas
      @TorianTammas 17 днів тому

      ​@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.

    • @TorianTammas
      @TorianTammas 17 днів тому

      ​@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.

    • @TorianTammas
      @TorianTammas 17 днів тому

      ​@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.

    • @TorianTammas
      @TorianTammas 17 днів тому

      ​@ScienceNow- logos does mean a lot of things but not word. This mistranslation started with people who did not understand Greek philosophy which the author used.

  • @scoopmacgooter4123
    @scoopmacgooter4123 17 днів тому +15

    “How come you don’t believe in god? Have you tried believing in god?”- Christians

    • @petyrkowalski9887
      @petyrkowalski9887 6 днів тому +1

      Its like if we said « how come you dont believe in the flying spaghetti monster? Have you tried to? »

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 5 днів тому

      @@petyrkowalski9887 The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
      Ephesians 2:8
      For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
      Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you.
      2 Corinthians 4:4
      whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

  • @247tubefan
    @247tubefan 18 днів тому +56

    If you simply jump through the hoops he's set up for you, you can avoid all the undesirable scenarios that he proposes will happen to you.

  • @kevinkoch-jj1uj
    @kevinkoch-jj1uj 18 днів тому +48

    It's the arrogance of certainty that he and others project towards nonbelievers, despite any evidence to the contrary.

    • @tehspamgozehere
      @tehspamgozehere 16 днів тому +5

      Yup. "I'm right because my book says so and my book is right because it says so and you're wrong because I say so and so does my book which is true so you must clearly be wrong because if you were right then I'd be wrong and I can't be wrong because I have a book that is right and " and on and on and on..

    • @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt
      @ChrisFerguson-zm4gt 15 днів тому +1

      Such vile arrogance

  • @alphaalvey5029
    @alphaalvey5029 18 днів тому +23

    23:48 that long pause is something I wouldn’t wanna hear if someone asked my family that. That should’ve been an immediate no.

    • @Ender-fr3ql
      @Ender-fr3ql 12 днів тому +3

      Thank you I thought I was the only one that thought that, I winced at the pause

  • @dogstar5927
    @dogstar5927 17 днів тому +11

    Pastor Eugene got lucky with 5he softest softballs that were presented to him. I don't think Matt or Aron would have been so kind ! 🤪

  • @WooliteMammoth
    @WooliteMammoth 18 днів тому +11

    "Pastor eugene, what would you like to have for dinner tonight?"
    Pastor Eugene: "Well, I am not hungry now, but assuming my human body continues its metabolic functions and I will expend enough energy to require sustenance in the latter portion of the day, I would elect then to have food. What food that may be is not yet a decided quantity or quality and I suppose I will sit in my study, be graciously blessed with the holy spirit and only then I would be able to sort through my hand written notes of restaurants, numbers and menu items to choose from"
    I love listening to him talk it's like talking to a 153 year old man.

    • @nicolab2075
      @nicolab2075 15 днів тому +1

      😂

    • @petyrkowalski9887
      @petyrkowalski9887 6 днів тому

      But are you sure he believes in food?

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 6 днів тому

      @WooliteMammoth
      Jesus Christ is the Living Word. Jesus Christ is the Bread of Life. Atheists offer no hope. This world offers no hope. Jesus Christ is our only Hope. Our Living Hope. Study and learn. The truth will set you free. Faith comes from hearing the Word. Repent (change your mind) and be saved today. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
      The Eternal Word (John 1:1 - 5)
      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.

    • @WooliteMammoth
      @WooliteMammoth 6 днів тому

      @@paulgemme6056 get help

  • @rtart.e5458
    @rtart.e5458 17 днів тому +11

    The hesitation when he was asked if he would disown his kid over religious differences was ridiculous, the silence was deafening

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 5 днів тому

      The bible is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to you, to let you know that your sins are covered (washed away) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ). Christ Jesus paid for our forgiveness/pardon, all we need to do is believe (have Faith), acknowledge our sinful condition, our need for his Grace and mercy and accept the gift of God - eternal life - to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
      Ephesians 2:8
      For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
      Don't be deceived, ask God to reveal truth to you.
      2 Corinthians 4:4
      whose minds the god (little g - the devil) of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

    • @rtart.e5458
      @rtart.e5458 5 днів тому

      @@paulgemme6056 yeah, not really the best comment to reply to with just preaching 😬 nobody reading allat

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 5 днів тому

      @@rtart.e5458 What is the works of God?
      Read your bible, it really has the answers.
      John 6:28,29
      Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
      29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

    • @robgilmour3147
      @robgilmour3147 3 дні тому +1

      @@paulgemme6056 The definition of god is about the same as the definition of nothing
      nothing is all powerful
      nothing in outside of space and time
      nothing is all knowing
      nothing is X where x is a given attribute of god that i've heard about, so i think the truth has been revealed, and it's nothing.
      you need to re watch this part @21:21

    • @paulgemme6056
      @paulgemme6056 3 дні тому

      @@robgilmour3147 Yeah, like life just showed up one day from nothing. I don't think so. Man is so dumb thinking that everything came about from nothing. It's absurd!

  • @jcondron
    @jcondron 17 днів тому +6

    A large group of people in Salem "could tell" that some people had been captured by "the adversary." They drowned some of them and burned others. People who claim to "know" are very dangerous.

  • @luke3045
    @luke3045 18 днів тому +24

    So many hoops this pastor presented, logic shattered it immensly

  • @themartialartsapproach8786
    @themartialartsapproach8786 16 днів тому +6

    Religion makes people hesitate before they answer, "would you disown your children if they didn't believe in your god?"

    • @RinZ3993
      @RinZ3993 6 днів тому

      Insane right? I hate how religion makes people second guess their own healthy morality

    • @user-yt9ro7md2h
      @user-yt9ro7md2h День тому

      INSANE lol

  • @tsunekakou1275
    @tsunekakou1275 18 днів тому +11

    Host: how did you determine that the Bible was a reliable tool?
    Caller: feeling something feeling
    Host: how did you determine that feeling was the Holy Spirit?
    Caller: bullshit this, bullshit that.

  • @nineofnine
    @nineofnine 17 днів тому +8

    I want some of that tea this callers wife gives to him just before he starts hearing voices and feeling groovy...🍄🍄🍄

    • @VildhjartaFanGurl
      @VildhjartaFanGurl 11 днів тому

      Hahahahahahahahaha right? Turns out he never leaves the study and it's actually a set inside a CIA LSD lab. His wife is an agent.

  • @stormthrush37
    @stormthrush37 7 днів тому +2

    I really like how politely, methodically, calmly, and respectfully they engage with him. It just feels like so many "conversations" at this point are just people shouting at each other, putting each down and condescending to one another and in the process accomplishing absolutely nothing.

  • @stankdelicious6479
    @stankdelicious6479 18 днів тому +15

    “You don’t get it! It’s a pill to give worms to ex-girlfriends!”
    ~~ Kids in the Hall

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply 18 днів тому

      _"Hello? Police? I'd like to report a naked woman at the gas station. _*_*nods*_*_ In about 10 minutes. Oh, and can I get a large pizza? You're right, I'll call direct."_

    • @fireinthebrain
      @fireinthebrain 14 днів тому

      DOGS KNOW IT!!!

    • @fireinthebrain
      @fireinthebrain 14 днів тому +1

      Brain candy is brilliant thank you for this little pick-me-up, I really needed it :)

  • @louseveryann2181
    @louseveryann2181 15 днів тому +4

    It's so insane how these people deny the fact that they are a member of A cult among many many cults.

  • @seanmcghee2373
    @seanmcghee2373 18 днів тому +15

    Self delusion is one of the most potent abilities of a great many humans

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 18 днів тому +3

      The good Pastor is willing to sacrifice his humanity on the altar of a book that he can't prove!
      Apologists in a nutshell: "God is incomprehensible, now listen very carefully while I tell you all about him."
      When someone says "as a Christian" I say "sorry for your affliction."

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому +2

      ​@@DennisMerwood-xk8wpyes. The problem is that he is a good pastor and therefore a terrible human being.

    • @seanmcghee2373
      @seanmcghee2373 16 днів тому

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp nice!

  • @patjacksonpodium
    @patjacksonpodium 18 днів тому +4

    Tale a shot everytime Eugene begins a statement (wont call it an answer) with "...WELL..."

    • @thefirm4606
      @thefirm4606 18 днів тому +2

      Me (5 mins in): dammit (hic) damyou pat(hic)jackson you shon of a beech… hic 🥴

  • @coleford4258
    @coleford4258 18 днів тому +7

    Man you guys are nicer than me. Every time Eugene made an assertion like "the holy spirit enters me," I would've just said "no you didn't." You guys are really patient.

    • @DJ-73
      @DJ-73 13 днів тому

      I would have been making smartass comments to him.

  • @drlegendre
    @drlegendre 18 днів тому +12

    "The Power of Discernment"
    Well isn't that convenient?

    • @Leith_Crowther
      @Leith_Crowther 18 днів тому +4

      That’s really weird, because I Discerned that he doesn’t have Discernment. How did he get fooled into thinking he has the power of Disxernment?

    • @BaronVonQuiply
      @BaronVonQuiply 18 днів тому +1

      Well isn't that special.
      Could it be...

    • @asayake1
      @asayake1 18 днів тому +1

      @@BaronVonQuiplySATAN?

  • @BobSmith-eq9vs
    @BobSmith-eq9vs 17 днів тому +4

    This sounds like an honest, decent, sincere man. He is just wrong.

    • @bodricthered
      @bodricthered 16 днів тому +2

      Sincere sure, honest absolutely not. He proves he's not willing to be honest many many times in this call.

  • @stephenbesley3177
    @stephenbesley3177 18 днів тому +14

    The bible historically accurate? And piss is wine!

    • @EllasPOSEiDON
      @EllasPOSEiDON 18 днів тому +1

      Maybe they "would" like to turn piss into wine. 😅😅😅

    • @nopeaceforme837
      @nopeaceforme837 4 дні тому

      ​@@EllasPOSEiDONIf it was in the Bible then...That's where the problem lies

  • @spicyhummus6266
    @spicyhummus6266 3 дні тому

    Well this guy is far more open than many I have heard on these calls & props to him for that. Him being stumped by that question shows the gears in his mind turning.

  • @kaiza6467
    @kaiza6467 11 днів тому +2

    “I have a spiritual power of discernment to tell who has been taken by the adversary, by Satan.”
    Translation: there are people who say and do things I don’t like.

  • @thedonald444
    @thedonald444 10 годин тому +1

    Religions are a business.....pastors are businessmen.....money is the bottom line.

  • @fekinel
    @fekinel 18 днів тому +6

    'Careful with that axe, Eugene..'

  • @01Aigul
    @01Aigul 12 днів тому +1

    This is such an inspiring show, you guys are so calm, collected, and respectful, but without compromising your demands for evidence.

  • @coastal455
    @coastal455 15 днів тому +1

    One of the best calls I've heard in awhile.

  • @jo_b7405
    @jo_b7405 14 днів тому +1

    Love the calm conversations!

  • @BrianFedirko
    @BrianFedirko 13 днів тому +4

    Thiis caller is so creepy. So self righteous to himself, and probably forcefully to his poor wife.What one says in public can be upside down different in private. To believe in a devil, and to hear a devil is to run into very bad situations. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love

  • @DriverGuy23
    @DriverGuy23 18 годин тому

    This dude is Santa Claus, he can tell if people are good or bad. LOL

  • @dr.fjoer_the_crazy_scienti5841
    @dr.fjoer_the_crazy_scienti5841 17 днів тому +3

    To that pastor and all Christians etc:
    “The Bible is evidence that Bible exists. Its not evidence for a god, it is a claim. You dont know what evidence is, and that’s sad.”

  • @johnsperry9494
    @johnsperry9494 15 днів тому +4

    Knock-knock. Who’s there? It’s Jesus. Let me in. Why should I let you in? I have to save you. Save me from what? From what I’ll do to you if you don’t let me in. (Sounds like the old protection racket.)

    • @martinvasquez6258
      @martinvasquez6258 13 днів тому

      That’s great Jesus but if I let you in who is going to save me from your followers?

  • @MegaLoucon
    @MegaLoucon 3 дні тому

    He keeps giving answers to questions you didn't ask.

  • @ChrisM-zm4li
    @ChrisM-zm4li 16 днів тому +3

    Really? So when he tosses me in Hell, Jesus's door is still open? Or am I totally screwed and going to suffer forever just because I didn't believe an illogical and mistake filled story? What love!!!

  • @Scarecrow367
    @Scarecrow367 18 днів тому +4

    I gave him a 10 on Mental Gymnastics. ( A 7 from the Russian Judge).

  • @tonydarcy1606
    @tonydarcy1606 18 днів тому +7

    Maybe it's the tea his wife brings him contains some "holy spirit" to make him feel so good ?

    • @crystalw8050
      @crystalw8050 18 днів тому +3

      A little mushroom tea will definitely make you feel like you are connected to a higher power!

  • @robertgray323
    @robertgray323 16 днів тому +5

    But guys he's selling blind faith or eternal torture, why aren't you buying?

  • @johnsperry9494
    @johnsperry9494 15 днів тому +2

    "Dark Arts"? Is that you, Snape?

  • @nicksykes4575
    @nicksykes4575 18 днів тому +11

    I think you rattled his foundations a little, whether they'll collapse, or he'll be able to shore them up, only time will tell.

    • @remoevans7847
      @remoevans7847 18 днів тому +2

      The shackles of indoctrination will never be broken with that guy.

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому +2

      He has mountains of bs to shore them up. Those foundations will never be sound or solid and be in a constant state of collapse but he'll just keep bluffing mindlessly.

  • @ARoll925
    @ARoll925 18 днів тому +18

    It is astonishing that he thinks our objections are wether fabric is red or purple, so ridiculous

    • @johnchambers9836
      @johnchambers9836 18 днів тому +5

      Long as those fabrics are not mixed eh

    • @christophermartin7044
      @christophermartin7044 18 днів тому +5

      It’s a tactic to enable him to generalize all contradictions as equally trivial.

    • @ARoll925
      @ARoll925 17 днів тому +1

      @@christophermartin7044 I agree, it's ridiculous

  • @JP-su8bp
    @JP-su8bp 11 днів тому +4

    Kudos to Pastor Eugene for having a dignified and generally respectful conversation.

    • @mrcurly1147
      @mrcurly1147 11 днів тому

      Hope he discovers Freedom From Religion Foundation. I hear they detoxify peoples brains that have been subjected to religious indoctrination. So yes, miracles do happen, just not in the nonsensical bible book of fibbery and gibberish.

  • @adamcroft80
    @adamcroft80 17 днів тому +2

    I find it so interesting that people can believe that the bible is historical accurate. When not only are there 2 different creation stories right after each other but both are easily proven to be wrong.

  • @tman6605
    @tman6605 11 днів тому +2

    Wild that a PASTOR said it’s blasphemous to speak for and represent God
    As if he didn’t model his whole life around doing that! 😂

  • @jrparrow8157
    @jrparrow8157 16 днів тому +1

    Wow, I rarely comment but had to on this one as its unique in my opinion. So often Christian callers are just embarrassing…I really enjoyed this discussion with Eugene, you guys were gentle and kind with him but rattled him too. I hope he truly considers this and really does some deep thinking. Nicely done guys.

  • @johnatkins3017
    @johnatkins3017 18 днів тому +4

    That guy truly is a pastor: he has the voice and the accent. .

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому +2

      And spews the same empty, worthless, self-righteous, sanctimonious bullshit.

    • @johnatkins3017
      @johnatkins3017 17 днів тому +1

      @@digbycrankshaft7572 Now, I didn't say that about him. He probably has the properly set, closed-mouth smile that frightens children into Salvation.

    • @juliamacauley7062
      @juliamacauley7062 17 днів тому +1

      He sounds like the pastor in the Simpsons .

  • @joevelosa7056
    @joevelosa7056 14 днів тому +2

    They should've asked him if he would let a pastor to babysit his daughters.

  • @JayMaverick
    @JayMaverick 17 днів тому +3

    In case you missed it, the way this guy gauges the reliability of the Bible is by using the Bible to recognize adversaries.
    In other words, anyone who denies the accuracy of his Bible is an adversary, proving him right. Nothing like theist self deception.

  • @jbibro
    @jbibro 17 днів тому +3

    “I felt the Holy Spirit withdraw from me.”

    • @DJ-73
      @DJ-73 13 днів тому

      🤣

  • @rikorobinson
    @rikorobinson 18 днів тому +2

    Eugene was refreshingly honest, at least. I like Eugene...

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому +2

      I think we would have heard a very different exchange if Matt or another more probing and vigorous host had dealt with him. This was extremely soft ball.

  • @Alltime2050
    @Alltime2050 18 днів тому +3

    He sounds like he’s a really fun dad. I bet it’s a hoot living at his house.

    • @ThomasMurrell-xr4mt
      @ThomasMurrell-xr4mt 18 днів тому +2

      He must be real fun at parties

    • @Jcs57
      @Jcs57 17 днів тому +3

      I would prank him incessantly with ghosts goblins and witches

  • @alexanderingraham8255
    @alexanderingraham8255 7 днів тому

    A surprisingly positive call!

  • @davidsmith7653
    @davidsmith7653 18 днів тому +3

    He sure had to huff and puff and think a bit before he said no he wouldn't disown them. Isn't that a kind of immediate reply type of question for a normal person?

    • @nicolab2075
      @nicolab2075 15 днів тому

      But he has to square it with God first, obvs

  • @CeezGeez
    @CeezGeez 17 днів тому +2

    how many attempts does it take to get an apologist to directly answer a simple question?

  • @georgepapabeis2964
    @georgepapabeis2964 18 днів тому +6

    Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ancient city of Troy using information from the Iliad. Does this mean that all information in the Iliad is true?

    • @Vladimir_Fedorov27
      @Vladimir_Fedorov27 17 днів тому

      I use it as an arguement for a divine dispute between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite and by proxy - for the existence of them and other greek gods.

  • @frankflegg8968
    @frankflegg8968 17 днів тому

    What a lovely video. Thank you.

  • @stevewhite6861
    @stevewhite6861 18 днів тому +2

    Well, shock of shocks, he's a decent person after all, I am surprised, pleasantly surprised, if he is actually telling the truth and I really think he is, he actually listened and his answers took me by surprise.

    • @digbycrankshaft7572
      @digbycrankshaft7572 17 днів тому

      I would not conclude "decent" after such a softball interaction. We may well have heard a very different reaction if Matt or another more probing host had dealt with him.

    • @stevewhite6861
      @stevewhite6861 17 днів тому +1

      @@digbycrankshaft7572 I was refering to his admission that he wouldn't throw his child out for being atheist, that's pretty decent for a theist.

  • @Coach_BigMac
    @Coach_BigMac 17 днів тому +3

    10k kids die daily of starvation. Where is god?

  • @dancedecker
    @dancedecker 18 днів тому +4

    If I got a quid for each time, i said "oh FFS!! ", during this diatribe of utter arsewater, I could buy next door's house!!
    And it's a BIG house!!
    What an utterly deluded muppet!!
    Lol.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 18 днів тому +2

      @dancedecker
      "God exists outside of time and space". .....…so NEVER and NOWHERE.... OK, I'll go with that.
      Outside of time and space - a way of saying "imaginary".
      Has anybody else got to the point where they think people who believe in a God are just a bit stupid?

    • @dancedecker
      @dancedecker 17 днів тому

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Yes, good point. I'll go with that too.
      And I get there every day, disproving their fairy stories. Lol.

    • @reefhog
      @reefhog 16 днів тому

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wpI got to that point decades ago.

  • @alisah6915
    @alisah6915 12 днів тому

    If you ignore what he is saying, this caller's voice is soothing. It could put me to sleep.

  • @asayake1
    @asayake1 18 днів тому +2

    all hail the flying spaghetti monster and his noodle appendage!

  • @survive323
    @survive323 17 днів тому

    Great Job in exposing the real truth!

  • @AngieBaby666
    @AngieBaby666 6 днів тому +1

    Seriously! The caller thinks people are suggesting that different shades of red are what people are referencing when they say there are contradictions in the bible. How dishonest.

  • @ObservantHistorian
    @ObservantHistorian 18 днів тому +5

    Why are these people not challenged to FIRST convince the rest of the world's religious people to accept their version of the gods? Their personal interpretation of whatever version of the religion they claim to espouse and speak for contains NOTHING worth debating about, any more than we would debate the particulars of the Greek or Egyptian gods. Wouldn't their time be more productively spent rescuing the souls of believers who worship the wrong gods, before worrying about what an atheist believes?
    Let's be clear: they argue with the atheist to reassure THEMSELVES, because the atheist presents REAL challenges to the entire god concept - impossibilities and glaring contradictions they'd never considered until pointed out by the atheist, and that they then scramble to rationalize away... hence the religious apologist.
    Put another way, they don't like it being pointed out that their invisible evidence-free gods are no more real than all the other gods they know full well never existed, and for exactly the same reasons.
    In the face of other religions, they can just claim religious superiority, in the certainty that theirs are the REAL gods. Seeing the emptiness and meaningless of the god concept itself laid bare...that their gods really ARE no more believable than any others, their arguments are posed to the atheist in order to reassure and convince themselves.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 18 днів тому +2

      @ObservantHistorian
      Every religion claim's that theirs is the only true God!
      What evidence does the good Pastor have that his religion is not just other false religion?
      Why is his "God" real and all the others are not?
      When he understands why he dismisses ALL the other possible "Gods", only then will he understand why we atheists dismiss his.
      "Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens

    • @ObservantHistorian
      @ObservantHistorian 18 днів тому

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp I agree with you. I think you've misread my comments.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp 17 днів тому

      @@ObservantHistorian Ooops! Sorry my friend.

    • @ObservantHistorian
      @ObservantHistorian 17 днів тому

      @@DennisMerwood-xk8wp No worries, we all end up making the same mistake! I certainly have!

  • @terrycraig6386
    @terrycraig6386 15 днів тому

    1:25: Poor Jamie and his "Facepalm" moment.i can't blame him, though.😅😅🤦🤦🤦

  • @arieswar4770
    @arieswar4770 9 днів тому

    God submit your resume and I will get back to you lol ;-) @ 23:23 he had to actually think of that WOW!!!

  • @ryanszumowski8749
    @ryanszumowski8749 15 днів тому +1

    I feel the same shit when I take shrooms my dooood

  • @thomasrendleman5387
    @thomasrendleman5387 16 днів тому +2

    I can prove that there’s ghosts. There was a documentary back in the 1980s that showed actual proof of ghosts. The name of the documentary was Ghostbusters
    😂😂😂

  • @ultmiddle4991
    @ultmiddle4991 3 дні тому +1

    Oh my, the pastor with the gift of discernment could be a time traveler from the Salem Witch Trial era. Horrifying he “just LOOKS at some one and TESTS the spirits inside them?

  • @suburban-vampire
    @suburban-vampire 18 днів тому +1

    20:08 this whole call in a nutshell.

    • @starfishsystems
      @starfishsystems 18 днів тому

      Followed by "The only thing I can offer [in response to your legitimate moral argument against the authority of the Biblical god] is prayer."
      That's right folks. It's Deflection Time! Don't address the point at all. Do an impromptu magical invocation instead.

  • @graemerose1616
    @graemerose1616 18 днів тому +7

    Holy spirit enters him? Psychosis? As for knowledge etc I have a Harry Potter book in one hand and I am stood in front of a train with hogwarts written on it.

    • @reefhog
      @reefhog 16 днів тому

      The phrase 'i am stood' is not grammatically correct in written English.
      The verb phrase should be 'I am standing', which means 'I am in an upright position on my feet'. For example: I am standing outside the supermarket waiting for my friend.

    • @graemerose1616
      @graemerose1616 16 днів тому

      @@reefhog Noah, flood, covered the earth... earth, the Euohrates / Tigris would cover 1.6 million square km, that would cover thearth in Assyria / persia / middle east, not the planet earth. A bit like the word "world" North Sentinalese have no knowledge of 99.99% of the planet, so define their use of world. To me and many more, as long as correct wording is done on legal matter, anything else is just about getting a point over, like somebody putting Hines beens on a shopping list meaning Heinz beans, as long as the person doing the shopping gets them, does it matter?

  • @user-yn5sk5ru5g
    @user-yn5sk5ru5g 12 днів тому +1

    Red and purple, pretty much the same color. So muh gawd is truh!

  • @tehspamgozehere
    @tehspamgozehere 16 днів тому

    I have to say, you two have a good bedside manner. Calm, soothing tones, polite yet firm and not condescending or dismissive. Even when it would be quite undestandable. I think this is the first Talk Heathen I've watched. I'll have to stick around and watch more and see how you go with less sincere or more obnoxious callers and see how you handle those also.
    The lake of fire question mighta been a step too far though. Heh.

  • @nevbaker7642
    @nevbaker7642 18 днів тому +2

    Boy this poor man is so indoctrinated.

  • @englischvideos539
    @englischvideos539 18 днів тому +8

    I feel uncomfortable with all the discussions about the gentleman's tool and he being entered by some holy spirit....

  • @hansleeuw2840
    @hansleeuw2840 15 днів тому +2

    Did that guy step into a time machine in the 18th century and ended up here?

  • @Specialeffecks
    @Specialeffecks 4 дні тому +1

    Next time the Holy Spirit speaks to you, please ask for two forms of valid ID (the DMV asks for three).

  • @tallalone1
    @tallalone1 4 дні тому

    Whiskey is my holy spirit!

  • @toughenupfluffy7294
    @toughenupfluffy7294 16 днів тому +2

    Talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes-what makes all of this more accurate than prophets flying off into heaven on winged horses? How then is the BuyBull more accurate or less ridiculous than the Koran? Or any other fairy tale?
    "What a fool believes, he sees."-Doobie Brothers

  • @LOwens-xf8yo
    @LOwens-xf8yo 18 днів тому +1

    The caller claims: “I have a god-given ability to sense the evil intent of men.” Seems like a big claim, but actually this sentiment is echoed by every father of every 15 year old daughter in the world.

  • @dashriprock2916
    @dashriprock2916 17 днів тому

    It's not what you don't know that will get you in trouble. It's what you know that just ain't so. Mark Twain.

  • @martinvasquez6258
    @martinvasquez6258 15 днів тому +1

    Christianity existed 300 years before the Bible was canonized

  • @TheAdamGiles
    @TheAdamGiles 5 годин тому

    The reason he is so quick to accept the Bible and God without evidence is that there is no risk in it. Compared to a babysitter watching his kids.

  • @johnchambers9836
    @johnchambers9836 18 днів тому +1

    He pulled himself back as a human at the end

  • @quacks2much
    @quacks2much 10 годин тому

    Perhaps analogize Scientology with the Book of Erick. Scientology was based on a novel written by L. Ron Hubbard.

  • @waynedexter
    @waynedexter 18 днів тому +2

    The first example of a contradiction this pastor can think of is the color of a cloak. Someone please revoke this person’s pastoring license STAT! Lol

    • @waynedexter
      @waynedexter 18 днів тому +2

      The mere fact that this pastor watches this show on the regular but yet he can’t come up with better arguments to defend his beliefs.

  • @thomasrendleman5387
    @thomasrendleman5387 16 днів тому +2

    Preacher man, preacher man, does whatever Jesus can, mixed up bullshit, sounds like lies, just agree, and close your eyes. Look out here comes the preacher man (Spider-Man theme song)

  • @PaxilRose
    @PaxilRose 4 дні тому

    You have to empathize. As soon as I get old enough to have stoic old man voice, I will be calling in to fuck with y'all.

  • @gitbuckets
    @gitbuckets 18 днів тому +1

    He was entered by the holy spirit. Wild

    • @ThomasMurrell-xr4mt
      @ThomasMurrell-xr4mt 18 днів тому +2

      I often get entered by spirits but mine come from a bottle

    • @user-pp4ve6qo1b
      @user-pp4ve6qo1b 18 днів тому +3

      rectally, no less!

    • @johnchambers9836
      @johnchambers9836 18 днів тому +2

      Hey can't judge between consenting adults

    • @asayake1
      @asayake1 18 днів тому +1

      😂

    • @rboland2173
      @rboland2173 17 днів тому +2

      Any story containing "I was entered" should begin with "Dear Penthouse Forum". 😛You fellow old-timers will get the reference.

  • @SteveLaw-UK
    @SteveLaw-UK 18 днів тому +1

    It's Eugene Levy.

  • @Enturbulant
    @Enturbulant 12 днів тому

    This has to be a Garrison Keiler bit

  • @petebetz5358
    @petebetz5358 18 днів тому +6

    Unless you address the fact that pastors and clergy are beholdened to the Bible and therefore no matter what you tell them they have to defend it, and make that clear to the pastor or clergy person, you can't get anywhere..

    • @reefhog
      @reefhog 16 днів тому

      It’s just beholden, beholdened isn’t a word.

    • @petebetz5358
      @petebetz5358 16 днів тому

      @@reefhog yeah, I don't care. I use voice to text and I don't often proofread...

    • @reefhog
      @reefhog 16 днів тому

      @@petebetz5358 I don’t care that you don’t care. Talk to text doesn’t make up non words.

    • @petebetz5358
      @petebetz5358 16 днів тому

      @@reefhog Yes it does! All the time! I mean you should see some of the stuff it's printed out for me. It's crazy! And you do too care. You wouldn't have said anything.

    • @reefhog
      @reefhog 16 днів тому

      @@petebetz5358 You’re confusing caring with being amused.

  • @bodricthered
    @bodricthered 16 днів тому +1

    'Im aware there are two creation accounts in genesis, I don't see them as contradictory.'. Only someone who has actively suppressed their own ability to think could spout this line, even without reading the two clearly contradictory stories. There's two of them dingus, that means they're not the same....

  • @stefanniemiec8727
    @stefanniemiec8727 18 днів тому

    I have such respect for ALL the presenters/interlocutors that discuss with various theists how their stories are not reality. Where are the discussions about churning the sea of milk, or Yggdrasil?