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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- With the headlines dominated by Lucy Letby, the most prolific child killer in modern British history, Nish and Coco reflect on the proper role for politicians in cases like this. While we crave reassurance from figures in authority, should they resist the urge to wade in with an easy soundbite? Plus we also reflect on the other big story of the week, the women’s World Cup final, and ask why it’s always men in suits who have to spoil things?
With music venues and nightclubs shutting at an alarming rate, Nish and Coco talk to music agent Hannah Shogbola and DJ Gaia Ahuja about whether the UK’s nightlife is in crisis. Do politicians place enough value in the night time economy? Can anything be done to reverse the trend, or is it as an inevitable result of our changing cultural habits?
Also, why ‘Insomnia’ should be Coco’s current club anthem of choice, and why newsrooms are enjoying the comeback of the August ‘silly season’. Plus we celebrate some world class swearing, and Nish has some ideas for the new Conservative Party general election slogan.
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Guests:
Hannah Shogbola, music agent at United Artists, and founder of creative consultancy Daju
Gaia Ahuja, DJ and member of Girls Don’t Sync
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CHAPTERS:
00:00:32 Insomnia and air riders
00:01:47 The return of silly season
00:03:36 A new slogan for the Tories
00:04:40 Lucy Letby
00:09:51 The Women’s World Cup
00:10:16 Villain of the week Luis Rubiales
00:13:20 Gianni Infantino
00:15:24 Hero of the week Mary Earps
00:17:07 Saving the Uk’s nightlife
00:22:35 Introducing guests Hannah Shogbola and Gaia Ahuja
00:46:15 PSUK mailbag: vaginas, fatbergs, toilets and Rishi Sunak
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I live in America. Hearing a British correspondent say so casually, "The American Republican Presidential debates are happening today. Donald Trump is, of course, skipping the debates. He is expected to he arrested tomorrow..." made me laugh harder than I've laughed all month. To hear the drama summed up so casually and succinctly tickles me to no end.
Thing is she is a gossip columnist and he's a stand up comedian sooo there's not much input they could give with that. This show is terrible, I occasionally come back to see if it's improved but these two are just awful
@@jakelesnake A wise woman once said, "Chat shit. Get banged."
@@ZbNimble I think its hysterical that the first thing they did was come up with some silly catch phrase, goes to show that they are entertainment based "political" show. To focused on being funny, but I guess that's all they have to go on since they aren't able to give any actual insight into anything outside of amateur opinions that are literally no better than you or I talking about it. Literally all the do is "chat shit". Such a disappointment to the Pod Save shows
@@jakelesnake You really have nothing better to do then stalk Coco and Nish.
@@jakelesnakeIt's not a "catchphrase" they "came up with". It's an idiom that exists in various forms, this particular one invented by Jamie Vardy in 2011.
You sound like an American troll looking for an easy fight.
Horrible that it happened to that poor player on her victory day, but it's really validating to hear non-consensual kissing discussed for what it is: sexual assault. So often in the past it's been laughed off as boys being boys, etc.
That's what I don't get about when people try to justify it, like, how can anyone think that kissing a woman without her consent is anything other than sexual assault and I hate that the Spanish team's victory is going to be overshadowed by that sleazy arsehole.
I am minded of Adrian Brody mauling Halle Berry. Things don't change.
@@KristineMaitland Yeah, same. I would say that things have somewhat changed, in that Brody got very little criticism at the time (most people laughed!), whereas this was immediately called out.
Have you been to Spain? Have you lived in Spain? It's common for people to kiss each other as a greeting, regardless of their gender, and not just on the cheek. And nobody says anything about it. Until now when they're copying the US. So if you want to complain, complain about Spanish culture, not just one dude
@@LuisMoreno-sl1zt The *Spanish* player said she didn't like it. She should have the final word.
Living in Chicago and seeing idiots moving next door to one of the biggest reggae venues in the City then complaining about the noise is just so gross and obnoxious. Developers pick poorer areas for the "luxury" flats BECAUSE they are cheap. This has got to change.
Four in the morning is the BEST TIME to be up!! The number one reason being that no one NEEDS ANYTHING from you at that hour!! It’s blissful!!
Speaking of privileged entitled pampered men in power: the FIFA president demanded a Police envoy when visiting NZ...AND WAS DECLINED BY THE KIWI POLICE ❤❤❤
Woah! My rant made it onto a show! Mad times! Thanks Coco and Nish for everything you do in bringing a little more joy to inherently grey clouds.
Congratulations, this is also the first indication that I've got that they read UA-cam comments, which is honestly pretty cool.
I want Coco's outfit😊 It is Keith Haring, isn't it? Nish's t-shirt says "outcast" in Japanese Katakana😳.
As an Australian I appreciate Nish's incisive cultural commentary. My appreciation for the art of obscenity runs deep ... like, real deep mutha'uckaz!
The Lucy Letby case has made me cry more times than any other news story this year - those poor children, my heart goes out to their families
It's really annoying to listen to you harp on about it only being rich people with lots of money being upset about loud nightlife venues. I regularly can't sleep because of their loud music and because neither I nor my neighbours have much in the way of money we can't do shit about it. I didn't choose to live near it because it opened much later than I moved in. It shouldn't be on us to soundproof, it shouldn't be on the city to soundproof, it should be on the venue and if they can't afford to do it they can't afford to run one.
Sincerely, defenestrate yourselves.
100%. Poor people can't, or are less likely to, complaint or have that complaint taken serious...it's not just about being rich.
But didn't you chose to live downtown. If you want peace and quiet not really the best place to chose to live?
@@hsdsaunders Let's not pretend that the determining factor for where people live is where they want to. I live here because it's cheap, has decent connections for public transport, and was a calm neighbourhood at the time.
There's also a huge difference between the daytime bustle of a city and some doughnuts blasting music at midnight.
I have misophonia and insomnia, so I'm sympathetic to your position, but your comment does not represent the content of this discussion at all. It's very clear that British culture is separated into "high" and "low" and that it's highly politicised in terms of gender, class and race. No-one was "harping on about" anything. They were just talking freely, with very specific references to gentrification.
@@EdwardLindon How is it not representative of the discussion when the supposed fact that it's only rich people making noise complaints is brought up multiple times? Not only is it an extremely specific claim to make, it's also one they have a personal interest in making given their other work and what they've enjoyed doing in their free time.
Yes, society is separated into "high" and "low" as you put it, but turns out being bothered by noise is not.
"If you want to get in touch about genitals" is critically different than "if you want to get in, touch genitals" but my brain didn't hear it that way.
It's instructive that there's a slew of comments from guys under this video, moaning about the supposed superficiality of the discussion. OTOH it strikes me that it stems from the British tendency to trivialise pleasure (especially other people's). It also doesn't escape my notice that here are two brown working-class women talking about their professional experiences and insight, and that just might be too much for some to handle.
I’m sorry but the clubs segment was one of the weakest guests this pod has had. People not staying out til 7 am as much or spending less on alcohol isn’t inherently bad. Have we considered gen z might not like clubbing as much? In my experience clubbing involves a lot of peer pressure towards overconsumption. I personally don’t think clubs having a hard time is top of the priority list right now for social issues.
What a bizarrely superficial comment. At the very least, it's a serious economic problem: jobs existed, now they don't; money circulated, now it doesn't; a culture thrived, now it doesn't. Personally, I loathe clubbing, but even I can see this is a substantive problem.
52 year old from the U.K. here. I love live music and clubs - I've pretty much always in the rock, industrial and goth scenes, but also go in for trance/psychedelic techno too. There's nothing for it - time to go back to underground gigs and clubs, squat and warehouse parties, and free festivals. Gentrification, neo-liberalism and Home Counties social conservatism/authoritarianism helped screw the scene over. The likes of Glastonbury arre really now just Glyneborne for the (white) upper middle classes. Reinvent the old underground scenes and D.I.Y. culture to give us back our inclusive, liberating spaces!
Y’all flush tampons in the UK??!! 😳😳
Voting in the awards ends September 5th! After today's show, I'll be waiting for Coco to start the show and a suited and puckering Nish walks over like a Dr. Evil/zombie hybrid. Hearing Coco say several episodes back that so many dogs share her name has stuck with me. Google brought me to a pet insurance site and an American Kennel Club blog, both placing her in the top 100. Don't let those jealous bitches get to you, Coco, you've been around longer! xo
Birmingham has a lot of varied nightlife, our issue is that a lot of tours skip us, comedy, live music, and theatre shows (the Alexandra and Hypodrome get a lot of good theatre/ballet/musicals but not as much as it used to)
I remember when Muse were on tour they went to 16 venues, but it was only after the first tour dates were all sold out that 6 months later they added Birmingham in a smaller venue than what would have sold out and it went in a day.
Also, funny nightlife people don't realise is getting big in the UK is Professional Wrestling, we have some of the most recognised training academies world wide and have several indy promotions popping up or hitting anniversary dates, and the bigger promotions are taking more interest as well (Will Osprey got in to the Metro for changing the name of the NJPW US title to the UK title, and he is gonna be in Wembley on 27 Aug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
I love getting up at 4 in the morning (perfect to go for a run). However, because there is shitty music playing loudly outside my flat until midnight and it's too fucking hot to ever close my windows, that's completely impossible.
In other words: First time I wholeheartedly agree with your main point of the show. Besides, the argument that nightlife is good for the economy is massively misleading. If there is no money to spend, no one can spend it on the nightlife. And if the money exists, it will either be spent elsewhere or support the nightlife anyway. Additionally, the fact that I can type this here is an indicator of the fact that many aspects of entertainment are being digitalized and individualized. This is the way forward, a) because that's pretty much unstoppable and b) because it's preferable. I will most likely never be able to enjoy Nish Kumar in person, and at the same time I don't care for any live performance that happens in my medium sized Austrian city. Also, individualization that is done well can benefit creators as well, if they find the direct line to their audience. And the cherry on top (or the main argument for a lefty) is that monetization can also be individualized as it happens on Patreon these days.
And I know what you're saying: Right now, it's certainly not creator friendly, because they are expected to provide free content and just hope that some people will enjoy it enough to throw them a couple of bucks/euros/pounds. Yet ultimately, with this as a starting point and appropriate measures to boost culture we get a lot farther than with shitty music keeping people from sleeping.
Get an AC or move seems to be the obvious solution. Let people have their bars and cafes instead of turning everything into a sterile hellscape to suit some particular need.
@@Emanon... That's your argument? Getting an AC? Apart from the fact that it's expensive and bad for the environment, it's also not really a solution - because you still need fresh air. So of course I could get fresh air in during the day and then pump up the AC even more the rest of the time, but that just aggravates the first two points.
And move? First off, that's like lighting a cigarette, blowing smoke into someone's face and then telling them that they should go away if they don't like it. Why should the clear aggressors have the say in who may stay? Secondly, not everyone is rich enough to move to quieter places. Thirdly, last I checked cities are supposed to be a place where people can live. Fourthly, no one said to close down everything, but giving people the right to noise pollution well past midnight is just selfish bullshit. Most cafes I know don't play loud music at 1 a.m.
Also, this leads me to the next horrible argument made that "oooh, it's rich people that are complaining" - guess what: A lot of poor people would probably complain (because as alluded to earlier, they are the ones who are suffering the most from rich businesses blaring loud music), except that no one listens to them. Unless they're also minorities in which case calling the police for noise complaints is even more laughable.
I love nish so much. I watch a LOT of pannel shows from the UK cuz they're awesome and so much American television blows. And nish has been on everything and he's always been one of my favs. when i found out my fav podcasters were having their UK version of the pod be hosted by Nish I was fucking STOKED!
The nightclub culture, the music scene, pubs, comedy clubs etc, the problem is in the question. Culture.
We see 'Culture' as a class thing but what it is is 'how we do things'.
The people in power want a homogeneous culture because it would be easier to control than accepting that the UK culture is actually lots of smaller cultures that overlap and co-exist but that is complex and hard to control so they gentrify, they use platforms to destroy and consolidate industries, as they make the power consolidate they get more control and when they do they have more control, so it serves them to have people think and act, have the same 'how we do things', culture, to get the people to self- and mutually police and oppress.
First time disappointed by the guests. Such an interesting and important topic, but they focused so much of their time on pandemic restrictions rather than the long standing issues facing the industry and solutions that could be implemented. So instead, disappointingly, they wanted to focus more on ‘people had to sit down’ and ‘we couldn’t have more than 200 people in the space’. Yeah, they do know that hundreds of thousands of people died from the pandemic? FFS
Were you expecting them to skirt around the issue they were invited to talk about, to protect some people's denial that lockdown measures did immense damage on all fronts?
@@1midnightfish No, we were expecting them to real about the current situation. The PANDEMIC caused immense damage to EVERYONE (except the Tory party mates who made fake PPE).
Yes there wasn't enough supports, but the real long standing issues - which had to be drawn out of them, and were around long before covid - are things like noise complaints/lack of soundproofing, lack of event infrastructure, lack of local/council level communication/support, impact of Brexit on entrainment and travel visas, and now the cost of living crisis etc. Continuously focusing on lockdown measures, instead of what’s needed, just shows there were the wrong guests to bring on.
@UC7AKcRa2-6Go6VIL0GOp4Tg They were the wrong guests because they highlighted something you don't want to hear?? They are professionals who answered the questions they were asked. They did touch on a number of factors affecting their field, so if you feel that they constantly talked about lockdown measures, that says more about you than it does about them. Incidentally, I'm having to reply to my own comment because yours doesn't take replies anymore, is that a glitch or a measure of how much you don't want to hear that the measures that made you feel safe did immense and disproportionate damage to others, and to society as a whole?
@@1midnightfish 'Measures that made me feel safe' ....just shows your selfish, ignorance. I lost two family members, dying alone in hospital, and my business. The nursing home next to me, 29 of the 40 people there dead....yet you want to focus on people having to sit down in a pub. Jog on and go listen to the families at the inquiry for a dose of disproportionate damage.
HowTF does the area round Fabric become gentrified? It's opposite a fish market; that smell is a far bigger problem than the music will ever be
"We HAVE to recommend our sister show" "The British one OBVIOUSLY" Hahaha she's so passive aggressive and for what
I bought my entry level Numark controller 5 months before the pandemic struck. It was a f*cking stroke of luck that I have been grateful for ever since. The world of creativity that mixing opened the door to has been freeing.
No no, the one who wrote in is right. The solution is so easy, we just all marry rich people. Now imagine the world where everyone is all as rich as each other, how'd that look? It's why the right wing thinking of "every person is the architect of his own fortune" and how one should just work their way to a CEO position (or a similar wage theft position like stockbroker) can't work for everyone.
Also about nightlife divide the culture with multiculturalism (multi racial society is good but we need one culture to identify and engage with), when you divide the community, business become more niche and flounders....
Simple question, shouldn't the source of the noise, that is, clubs, be responsible for mitigating the noise?
Don't let Gordon Ramsay catch you with that blue dressing, Nish.
When I hear Brits talking about bums, all I can think of is the phrase, "squeaky bum time". 🤣
The thing about whether it matters if Rishi is super rich or not is that it has been well-studied that the more wealth a person has the harder they are likely to find it to empathise with others. So, yeah it matters, ultra rich jerks shouldn’t be in charge
Genitals! Brits and world citizens for genitals unite!
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omfg...coco is fucking GORGEOUS. I had only been listening to the pod...i haven't seen her before and wow.
2 more jobs I'd never realized exist before--very cool to analyze--sorry, ANALYSE? :P
What did Nish do to his finger?
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This is fascinating as an American viewer, as many of our cities have night life activities however it seems only the major cities have anything equivalent to a club culture. I'm in a mid-size city and we maybe have one true club, and everything else is a bar first and a "club" second. What's unique, and this is perhaps partially due to being in the South as well, but it seems they are routinely threatened by the local beer board until they are closed. Then one starts up again and its the same story that repeats. Part of the issue is America's culture of violence can often show itself when drunk people have easy access to weapons, a volatile mix which often causes incidents that help push these shutdowns, but also we as a city certainly prioritize downtown residents over the night life. This can perhaps be contradictory as more people are moving downtown again and its often young people who want the night life, but of course I imagine some of the people living downtown also might be the ones complaining. Anyways it's been fascinating to hear this! Thanks as always for all you do with this show.
The best part of your show is when you two discuss current events and introduce your analysis. As an American, I want to learn more about the nuances of UK politics. Please do more of this before getting into the interviews.
Also mobile phone shops. Here in wood green I think the high street might literally have twenty of them. They're hard to count because they're often combined with some other shop.
Fohm seems like a lot of hassle. I've been enjoying wype which is a similar product but is just in an easy wipe applicator
Is there a way to send voice memos via WhatsApp or telegram?
So I'm an longstanding British fan of Pod Save America, who's previously worked for a member of parliament and now does policy for charities. A major ingredient of what makes PSA work is that Favreau et al all have serious experience in the White House at governining, and draw on that. They aren't just oppinionated and entertaining, their passion is underscored with serious insider knowledge. Having watched a few of these, I think Nish and Coco are entertaining and their perspectives are valuable, but I think this show would be much stronger if it had someone with serious Government or Parliamentary experience to round out a trio. There's been quite a few times we're Nish or Coco have said something inaccurate that would be picked up instantly by anyone with more experience of parliamentary process or pubnlic policy. A former civil servant, whips office staffer, long standing parliamentary researcher, etc would be enough, but ideally a former Labour or Lib Dem SPAD would probably be best (and most like what you have on PSA).
They bring in members of parliament for interviews, though. And their own knowledge about politics seems to be quite profound. It´s just different from Pod save America and not meant to be the same. There´s a place for both of them, I think.
The sentencing law change is a dangerous business. Prisoners who have done heinous things and refuse to show up to their sentencing hearing are trying to exert some final facet of control over their lives. If you take that away from them, you will overstrain the prison system after the fact with a potential rash of suicide attempts. I think it’s a short-sighted, reactionary effort which doesn’t actually benefit our justice system, and something else needs to be changed.
There could be a different last thing. Or a different time the victims can address the perpetrator. I don’t want to be inhuman. But doesn’t it seem important to let victims explain their pain to the one who wronged them?
@@NortarachangesI don't think a liberal society should compel anyone to listen to anyone. That's just moral theatre. I know it's hard, but we do actually have to let people be as bad as they want to be. You can't compel people to be decent.
@@Nortarachanges I think, in a restorative justice system, yes it’s very important for perpetrators to hear the pain of victims, and for victims to express that pain. However, the system as exists now is a retributive justice system, therefore encouraging punishment and negative reinforcement. Fun thing about people who’ve already learned it’s possible to paint outside the lines: they have more extreme reactions than most people. Constant and unceasing negative reinforcement will lead to the one exercise of control they can muster.
Listen, I do say this out of concern for prisoners, but I think even the more practical argument is compelling: our prison system is an ailing mess, already being sold to the private sector - though not quickly enough for some at the top - and creating a situation where you’re *more* likely to have uncooperative prisoners who are a risk to themselves and others puts strain on the people who already work a thankless job in that system.
@@EdwardLindon I wholeheartedly agree, and would especially emphasise the point about moral theatre. When you lose somebody, or a part of yourself to a crime, part of the healing process is processing what was done to you, and that it was done by another person with the same fullness of experience as you. It’s hard, but it’s a necessary part of growth and healing. In instances such as this, part of that is accepting that the perpetrator won’t acquiesce to your bidding. You don’t get some cathartic reversing of roles, and dwelling on being able to have that won’t help people, it will make them feel superior and leave their trauma unresolved.
In my early 50s, my night life has decreased massively and not because I don't want to go out anymore... it's just become less and less accessible for me. Thank you for including folks like me in the conversation. Brilliant episode! The nightlife discussion was so brilliant I recovered from cringeing at Infantino's bs
Good to try and have other people participating, but I must say I miss Tommy and Ben’s analyses and style!
The whole kiss n hug at the world cup is a bit of a storm in a cup...
The player spoke out against it. The offender apologized. And they've both agreed that it was probably a misunderstanding given the elevated state of their emotions. Spanish culture is different than Anglo culture (thank god!) when it comes to kisses and touching.
There's really nothing more to that story.
Let's focus our energy on things that matter.
I don't know much about Spanish culture, but I've spent a lot of time in France where kissing on the cheek is a form of greeting and while it was uncomfortable for me as a Brit, you get used to it and it is normal there. However, kissing on the lips is not a normal greeting in France and I assume it's the same in Spain. The player was right to speak out, and yes the offender should have apologized, but men kissing women on the lips without consent should not be normalised, so we absolutely should talk about it.
touching people without consent is bad, period. add in it occurring while working and being recorded/viewed by tons of people…yep, still bad
@@franjkav
I absolutely agree. It's bad.
But a stupid mistake, and this was a stupid mistake in a heated moment, is not the same as systematic abuse by people in power.
I don't think this is a one off stupid mistake for this guy though. He is a person with authority, maybe he got swept up in the moment, that wouldn't be a good excuse for me punch someone in the face, why is it a good excuse for nonconsensual kissing? Even when you're excited, you're expecting to manage your actions. That's what it means to be an adult.