I'm tired if hearing that the US is "trying" to get a peace deal in Gaza if it's not going to withhold weapons or aid to Israel. Any aid should be conditional on a plan for long term peace.
There was a ceasefire and Israel was working with Saudi Arabia as mediators to broker deals with Palestine before October 7th happened. People like you keep blaming Israel even though they're surrounded by jihadist enemies who view them as swine and want to wipe them off the earth. When are people like you going to hold groups like Hamas and Hezbollah accountable?
Apparently Netanyahu has one of those Republican deals with Trump, as in he will stop the war when Trump is elected, which won't happen. (Reagan and Iran. Nixon and North Viet Nam.)
So why don't you go to the Islamic nazis and ask them for permanent peace? Bunch of western naive fools who know nothing about recent history with full confidence will come and say something so naive and stupid.
Glad they covered this but I don't think it can be overstated how much remotely detonating thousands of pagers at the same time is absolutely psychotic, dystopian shit.
@@alexk8599 From our comfortable and stable life in the West, most war actions feel like absolutely psychotic dystopian shit. Did you not also watch the opening days of the Ukraine war, and the footage coming out of there, with dumbfounded morbid fascination? We're not used to war.
@@1imorton 100% it is terrorism i think they just are so used to seeing Israel as the good guys (largely b/c of racism and propaganda) that they can't see that. like does Israel seriously not have "blood on their hands"!?!? (their description of Hezbollah).
I'm by no means a war-hawk and I have a strong bias as a Ukrainian American, but all these delays on weapons have hurt Ukraine substantially. While it's true there isn't a single weapon which is a golden bullet, there are TONS of examples of Ukraine not having weapon X hurting them substantially. One of the largest examples was during the Zaporizhzhia counter offensive and not having the longer range ATACMS to take out Russian helicopters. I get it's easy for me to be this aggressive, but at the same time this war has been going on for far too long to not allow Ukraine to strike military targets inside all of Russia and I've grown very tired of the US being concerned about "escalation" when the reality is Russia has zero shot against NATO and Russians know this too. They've escalated already all they realistically can.
The US has every right to be concerned about escalation. The fact that you think Russia has zero shot against NATO is troubling. Russia and NATO would not be fighting a conventional war, they would be fighting a nuclear war. That's because if they fought a conventional war like what's going on in Ukraine, they know if they crush the other side, then the other side will turn to nukes as a last action than concede defeat. But not only that, both sides while they are fighting a conventional war has to worry about at any moment one or the other side using nukes to get the drop on the other side. It's not only the losing side that could use nukes, you could be losing the war, thinking about how to make a comeback, and all of a sudden the winning side decides to launch nukes. With all that uncertainty of a conventional war between nuclear powers, it would be in both the US and Russia's best interests to fire nukes as quickly as possible in the hopes they can take out the other side as quickly as possible and hope for the best on their side. The war is going on too long because Western leaders have not been honest with the public. The LA Times 3 days after the war started said unless the US is willing to put American boots on the ground in Ukraine, Ukraine will lose the war and we'll be sending Ukrainians to their deaths just like the US did when it encouraged a Ukrainian insurgency in the 1950s. That statement is as true today as it was at the beginning of the war. Escalation will keep Ukraine in the fight but it will not help them win. And an escalation of letting Ukraine fire rockets into Russia is a bridge too far that could pull NATO into the war. Not only that but there are lots of countries surrounding Russia, including China. All of them have their own national security concerns and a Russia being hit with rockets and war on their land could trigger a refugee crisis like what happened with Ukrainians fleeing to Europe. And large scale immigration politically destabilizes countries. So you are giving countries surrounding Russia a reason to help Russia, not because they necessarily agree with Russia's war but because they need to protect their own national security. And that doesn't cover all the countries that trade with Russia that could suffer from turmoil in Russia that could rush to Russia's aid. The world is bigger than the Ukrainian war. None of this would serve the US's interests. Biden said he's uncomfortable lifting sanctions. Biden's responsibility is to the American people, not Ukraine. Our national security needs must come first in any functioning country. With all due respect, you do sound like a war hawk. I'm sure if you talked to people you think are war hawks, they would have reasons just like you and reject the term. But we Americans really need to actually think of the ramifications of the choices we make as a nation.
@jmhorange your entire comment really shows Americans have no clue about anything outside of the country. Most Americans are easily brainwashed about what's happening in America, forget the rest of the world. US stopped Ukraine from signing the agreement two years ago and at the same time not giving weapons. American leadership, democrats, will never let Ukraine win or lose. They will use Ukraine to the last Ukranian. But bunch of Americans will run to social media and write a lot but say nothing
I have made and programmed battery systems. I don’t think anyone could get a normal comercial battery’s to fail at the same exact time. If the pagers randomly went off over the course of hours then maybe. However that video from the supermarket didnt look like a battery failure. Battery failures usually look more like a flare. Also battery failures involve lots of smoke.
I copied this from my above post: 'm no expert but I can't think of a way you could take a stock pager and cause it to explode, unless it was charging. Plus the batteries in a pager are small so if they were to explode the danger would more likely be them setting fire to furniture. If the pagers were modified by Israel with some sort of explosive then I would think they'd also make them so they could 'eavesdrop' on communications, which would be invaluable information. So why would they want to destroy such a good intelligence source? If someone has found a way to make batteries inside electronics explode via a signal of some kind then we are all in trouble. This news story has most likely led to any terrorists or criminals using pagers to throw them away. I wouldn't be surprised if worldwide pager use has dropped to zero.
@@greatpix It's much much much easier to gain control of your cellphone, but no one has thrown those away, have they? I think Hezbollah operatives actually get rid of more traditional cellphones in favor of these pagers because the attack surface is much smaller. However, I think the odds are high that Israeli operatives might have gotten their hands on the devices somewhere in the supply chain.
@@robinmattheussen2395 That was my conclusion too but I also wondered why put explosives in them when adding eavesdropping or tracking electronics would be much more valuable? I would also think explosives could be sniffed out by dogs or electronic devices. The worst part of this story is the death of that innocent little girl. This whole 'Eye for an eye.' mentality has got to be put to a stop and people learn to tolerate each other. Not be buddy, buddy. Just tolerate each other.
Yeah, something is definitely off about this whole story. For this to work, they'd have to plant modified pagers on the targets or there's some serious "deep state" nonsense going on with the manufacture of beepers. Everything I know about communications systems and small electronics doesn't match up with what I've heard. EDIT: LOL, I just got to the "pager update" part and it's all starting to make sense.
@@greatpix it's now more like 10 ppl dead ( an infant and the 10 year old) plus all the injured/ amputees + today's newest bombing via walkie talkies, cell phones, etc.... The innocent lives lost are deplorable.
Re: Aid to Ukraine; Did not the Republican dominated American Congress so delay aid to Ukraine that it cost Ukraine in lives, lost momentum and territory?
The honest discussion on Ukraine should be whether we actually want them to win. If the answer is yes, “escalation” is by definition a necessity until that goal is achieved. I’m of the mind that the election risk needs to be managed, but this is an unavoidable reality to reach our desired outcome.
@@dsmith33 yeah is that why last Saturday the whole world was nearly at nuclear war. Something we haven't seen since the 60s. Stop war mongering. No one in the west cares enough about Ukraine to go to war for it. Especially Nuclear war. Only Neo cons want Ukraine part of NATO. Let Ukraine remain outside of NATO. Honour the post cold war deal .
It`s good when Harris is looking into how women are treated in the military. The US military has a history of women being assaulted within it and leadership doing nothing to prevent that. (Which would actually be easy to do, it`s the military, there is strict protocols and safety measures for everything else.)
Am I the only one who disagrees that ‘Americans don't want to hear about foreign policy plan?’ If the media chose to inform people, I think they would care, they just won't seek out the information.
Try talking to yr neighbor about Israel and watch them run or eye roll. Lame duck Biden has preached our undying support. Israel has never been a good idea to support in decades and has never been a democracy.
@@robinmattheussen2395 Orban is a strong ally to Israel and despises Muslims. Hungary was one of 10 or so countries in the World to vote against a ceasefire in Gaza. So I beg to differ. This needs to be properly investigated.
Best foreign policy podcast "in the world." I only wish some of the young men watching Benny and the other paid pro-Russia bro's listened to you guys instead. The US would be a saner place.
Ryan McBeth and Preston Stewart are true experts on foreign policies. Meanwhile these clowns give platforms to jihadis propagandists like Mehdi Hasan etc.
I’m not sure a country with the most nukes and the most advanced military drone technology is in a position to critique the whole pager bomb op. Not disagreeing with the comments here, but we sit here in our cocoon, it’s easy to voice a POV.
Netanyahu's government is beyond reckless, let alone utterly amoral. We have to look at their behaviour and understand that Israel seems to want a wider conflict to drag the US into. It's tragic that the end result would be to make Israeli's less safe, but how can the US realistically afford to remain wholeheartedly supporting this government? When they're so hell-bent on chaos for their own political survival the US has to distance itself or it risks losing any credibility it may have internationally and there will continue to be extreme division internally which it cannot afford at this time.
Netanyahu & Ben G'vir ARE appalling, have been very bad, typical Right wing extremists... BUT it is silly to suggest Israel gets any benefit from the chaotic conflicts, when surrounded by people/organizations who open aim is their destruction!
You are 100% correct. However I hate to inform you but we lost our credibility on the world stage regarding international law decades ago regarding Israel. And even more so after our war in Iraq.
As they stated in the video, hundreds of thousands of residents of northern Israel are displaced. That’s because since October 8th Hezbollah started firing like crazy to team up with Hamas to weaken Israel further, all controlled by Iran.
It is if anyone is honest, but it's not the worst they've done this month (let alone in the past several decades) and we've always made excuses. There's nothing new here.
@@Bertinator-nm9ld Except it's impossible for such an attack to be so specifically targeted at only Hezbollah. By its nature it's indiscriminate. There's no regard for whether this affected civilian areas and impossible to claim that civilian deaths were an unintended side effect. The only reason this doesn't meet the definition of terrorism is because terrorism is defined is being carried out by a non-state actor, but that is an outdated definition now and there is no real difference between this and other terrorist atrocities.
I mean, you say impressive technology, I would argue that it's a really dire design flaw if something that's not meant to explode can be made to explode using nothing but a software program...
Ben Rhodes shouldn't really be talking about the Hezbollah-Israel issue because he doesn't really know the subject well at all. The idea of a diplomatic solution has been circulating for almost a year. It's never going to work and Israel has every right to stop the deadly harassment by any means. You can't have an operation that's going to affect the most numbers of Hezbollah terrorists without also getting some bystanders, especially if they are all mixed in with the civilian population. They don't care if they put others at risk. Just ask the other Lebanese people that hate Hezbollah and what they are doing to their country. Some of them put out an imagine of what the pager message must have been: "castrate the Hezbollah" members. They also put out a picture of naked men face-down on a hospital bed with just a bandage around their asses. That how non-Hezbollah people in Lebanon feel.
You guys talking about how people care more about the vibes of a candidate rather than there positions and record on foreign policy is exactly what it's like being an IT guy. Very few people want you to explain why there computer is acting up and hear a plan how your going to fix it except as far as it reassures them they have someone competent handling it and work is progressing.
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of piss cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of pish cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
About the French PM: I think the only solution will be to find a tolerable more centrist candidate from the leftist coalition (the Nouveau Front Populaire). It's actually a very wide coalition, including center-left to far-left and fairly extreme parties. It might be a difficult process to find such a candidate, but there is bound to be an acceptable center-left candidate in there somewhere. I do understand the hesitancy of Macron to appoint a PM from the extreme wing of the coalition. Le Parti Socialiste is probably the biggest more centrist (for France) party to pick from. The party has been in very serious decline of the past years, but has been somewhat re-enforced through this election. Picking a PM from La France Insoumise (the party of Melonchon) is, I think, always going to end up with trouble. And make no mistake, Melonchon brand of demagoguery and ultrapopulism isn't very savory either. La France Insoumise has traditionally been in favor of rethinking France's membership of NATO as well.
I just finished “Losing the Long Game” by Philip Gordon who I understand is close to VP Harris. Ben is mentioned many times. Might make for an interesting guest interview. Also, how many geeks are there at the highest level? Handfuls, tens fifty?
I'm no expert but I can't think of a way you could take a stock pager and cause it to explode, unless it was charging. Plus the batteries in a pager are small so if they were to explode the danger would more likely be them setting fire to furniture. If the pagers were modified by Israel with some sort of explosive then I would think they'd also make them so they could 'eavesdrop' on communications, which would be invaluable information. So why would they want to destroy such a good intelligence source? If someone has found a way to make batteries inside electronics explode via a signal of some kind then we are all in trouble. This news story has most likely led to any terrorists or criminals using pagers to throw them away. I wouldn't be surprised if worldwide pager use has dropped to zero.
I think so? I don’t think any uniformed state military is considered a terrorist org regardless of who the antagonistic power is. Terrorists, I think, are unsanctioned guerrilla/paramilitary groups. I’m not an expert though, so I might be wrong. I do think the IDF should be included in that definition though.
They're a traditional military, controlled by an officially recognized government, which often executes traditional military operations. Those are all traits that aren't generally associated with terrorist organizations.
I think that this is largely because of the fact that they are State Actors Even if the organizations are not classified this way - Tommy talked around this right at the head of hte podcast - any other party undertaking an action like this - it would have immediately been called an act of terror. I firmly believe that this is what this is - an act of terrorism. It's deplorable, frankly. No one seems either invested in, or capable of reigning in Isreal's behaviour, and how it clearly will destabilize the situation further.
Probably because a lot of other countries have their own issues and conflicts with the nations that Israel is fighting. I guess they figure Israel does its military operations and keeps the region in check? Acts like this make every civilian in the region a target. Horrible!
Reminder to the masses, we do have borders with countries other than Mexico and Canada. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
The NSA getting a podcast, something that is ostensibly about providing information, is ironic on a level I hadn't even considered until now. It's like if Chairman Mao hosted an episode of 'Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives'.
@@Bvi9169 I don't think they needed to listen in on people's phone calls to figure that out. They're pretty much in a four-way tie with the CIA, the Minneapolis police department and airport security when comes to bad PR.
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of pish cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
This Granny says F Putin. Solidarity with Ukraine. He won't stop there. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Okay, I've never commented on these vids but I gotta talk about Pokemon Go. That game was built off the back of another augmented reality real world location based video game called Ingress. Ingress was about a vague alien conspiracy where different factions tried to establish area control by establishing markers at prominent locations in the real world. Those hotspots from Ingress became Pokemon Go Pokestops and likely spawn zones for new Pokemon. So popular locations would become these heat zones. When I lived in DC it was always folks roaming the FDR Memorial. Anyway, the way Ingress and Pokemon got locations added as nodes was through public requests and pictures. My guess is that if a military base became a hot spot it's because their own personnel were playing either Ingress or Pokemon Go and made the nodes themselves. Niantic, the maker of the game, got in trouble a couple of times if I recall, for having these nodes on military bases because it was both a security risk identifying the location, but also it encouraged the public to go there to collect Pokemon or capture faction nodes on Ingress. I played both games a LOT and remember these things from the heydays of it.
They switched to pagers because the attack surfaces of those devices is much smaller. They ditched their phones. In fact, they only acquired these pagers fairly recently.
The pager attack: does this mark a turning point in warfare? Not so much guns, bombs, tanks; more tricky, specific, techy attacks. So! Less mining of ores, desecration of the Earth for military needs?
Reference Putin and nukes. Yes, Putin may order the deployment of tactical nuclear devices. However, those orders have to be followed by generals. Russian generals lead very privileged lives as things stand. Any response from the West, and possibly China, to nuclear weapons will likely cause such harm as to end their comfortable lives. If they have to choose between Putin and their lives of privilege, I'd see them choosing themselves.
In one episode, you're ranting about the increasingly aggressive nuclear proliferation by China, Iran, and others, while in another, you say, 'Oh, Russia is a nuclear power; allowing Ukraine to strike inside Russia is a tough decision because the risks are too high.' How can you not see that the first issue is a direct consequence of the policy and mindset applied in the second?
I don't love this conversation about whether kamala can "handle" it or not even if their responses are positive because it's not a discussion that anyone considers with literally any male leader.
Great episode, I loved that you included Ukraine and just said the hard truth about the elections. I wish the (mainstream) media would take their responsibility and talk about escalation and the two key players building their policy on top of a Donald Trump win. Loved the other stuff too, but Ukraine and Russian aggression (so also Georgia and the Sahel conflicts) is very important to me. About lobbyist claims, wunderwaffen don't exist, but it is also infuriating that slow decisions and deliveries enable Russians to prepare. So lobbyist statements about possible effects not being true is a bit rich (and not taking Michael Kofman's but the extreme opinions), since the way deliveries are set up, is often to make effects of deliveries a lot weaker than possible. Many SU34s could have been taken out, if decisive action was taken. This might all be intentional to cook the frog, but also means a heavy losses for Ukraine that they now have trouble to replace. That problem was created by policy. A cynic might say maybe also to push Ukraine to the negotiation table. (Though Ukraine deserves a fair part of criticism for the failed offensive) Which would be the opposite of giving Ukraine the best hand at the negotiation table. Anyway thanks 🙏
Amazing stance. Pod save the world is angry people aren’t fence sitting. You claim the state department isn't weighing the issue in Ukraine or taking it seriously? How do you know? People are dying every day to Russias aggression, but you're more worried about people dying... the non commitment is a wild take.
Yes, god forbid that anyone actually thinks about the potential risk of escalation! I'm 100% for supporting Ukraine in this brutal war, but your inability to imagine that these actions require careful balancing is honestly stunning. And the idea that somehow the western allies are somehow "non committal" is fairly insane, considering how far certain governments have already gone to supply Ukraine with equipment for the past 10 years.
@robinmattheussen2395 it's insane you missed the point of my comment. Going back, OF COURSE they are considering the risk of escalation. But sure, believe whatever you want since everyone else makes shit up...
Abkazia and South Ossetia are interesting because acceptance of Abkazian autonomy inside the kingdom of Georgia goes back many centuries. The 2008 war would be almost better described as the War of South Ossetian Independence that brought in Russia and Abkazia as allies. Even to this day, Georgian's accept Abkazian autonomy as foundational to Georgian history. Georgians are kind of offended that South Ossetians have been elevated to the level of Abkazians in the international discourse.
Can we start calling hawkish Kamala The Bronze Lady? Iron is already Maggie Thatcher. Jeff Wiggins of Ohio taught me that Bronze people is used to describe assorted people of color where he lives.
I think a good point for Harris is when he says he's the toughest against these tough guy leaders she can say he says he's tough and she kicked his ass
7 minutes in and you seem to be working really hard to not call what operations like this are: terrorism. First thing out to describe it as "interesting" is an... interesting choice.
I'm a jets fan and i agree with Ben's feeling about rodgers.... especially after seeing sam darnold and geno smith play better somewhere else.... rodgers is just a mercenary and now the jets are in a win now situation
The Israeli pager attack quite demolished Israel's oft-asserted respect for civilian life during its military operations. Israel has long claimed that it uses near surgical precision in targeting enemy combatants and does its utmost to avoid civilian collateral fatalities. The pager attack gives the lie to Israel's declaration that it wages war in the most scrupulously moral way possible...and the indiscriminate nature of the attack--wherein non-combat zones and civilians were terribly impacted--has instilled a sense of terror in citizens. Hence this was an act of terrorism: Terrorism infects citizens' lives with a sense of terror through degrading their sense of security and normality.
Does anyone really have any respect for Israel anymore. People fear speaking up for reasons media has created. My god is it the colleage kids that are stupid? Really?
Ya'll making stuff up to skirt the issue that these physical devices were boobytrapped by a state with the express purpose of causing grievous bodily harm. Hope you don't trust your laptop or cellphone too much, because your discussion treats the possibility that it will be used to harm you as normal.
"Swap the names"?!?!? That's a really casual way to equate a government with a terrorist group. You guys just lost me with that one idiotic comparison.
They support the Democratic Party establishment. What radical criticism do you expect from them. I stopped tuning in long ago. This podcast is weak to the point of sounding just plain silly in the context of Israel's unchecked terrorism and the US' hideous complicity. The worst of all the Crooked podcasts. I tuned out of this episode after 10 minutes (out of which about three hours were about some American sports)
I can see the beginning of the movie about the DRC coup Americans: (Livestream audio compression noises and the coup being captured on a phone by a young man) You're probably wondering how I ended up here. Well,
At the risk of being Kissinger-esque, from a tradecraft perspective, the Israeli operation was absolutely amazing. Hezbollah is leery of cell phones because they (rightly) believe that Israel has penetrated them (duh) so I can totally see pagers as a way of randomizing call-back numbers and making it more difficult to track. And then the RADIOS? Brilliant. Simply brilliant. And that's no battery malfunction. That's some engineering. And before the comments jump on me, yes I do understand that children were harmed ("Daddy, your thing is going off! Here it is....") but the moral failing of every single aspect of this conflict is so pervasive that this pales over the course of any given day. It doesn't seem "random" -- it's very specifically targeted to Hezbollah targets. Seems more specific than a Hellfire missile or a freakin' airstrike. As a mind-fuck, it's pretty overwhelming. Had I been born as a Palestinian refugee, I'm not sure who I'd be more angry with but the neighboring Arab states who cleared populations for their invasions ought to rank high on the list. I'm a rabble-rouser at heart so I expect that I'd have been one of those rock-throwing, bomb-tossing young men. I have deep sympathy for the Palestinians but they are totally screwed by their own leadership and the rest of the world. I am far less sanguine about Israel's prospects under more-right-leaning governance -- the peril of becoming the thing you fear is real. The Armenians have a long memory. The Irish seem to be getting over their own brutalization at the hands of the English (yes? please? rare bright spot!). I'm amazed that the Native Americans aren't more pissed. I'd like to think that there's some path forward for an integrated society in the state of Israel but I'm not holding my breath.
I don’t think the pokemon story is that crazy. It is not so different to other long used intelligence gathering tactics: like getting soldiers to send images of tinder, insta, etc. If you would want a lot of young soldiers to use their smartphones and involuntarily share a lot of data about a place putting a valuable pockemon there would be very effective. I have a younger sibling that was addicted to that game and there would have been very little that would have stopped here from using her smartphone if a valuable pokemon showed up somewhere. I doubt work regulations would have stopped here.
so I thought maybe they planted explosives, maybe they messed with the battery. What if they did some kind of combination, intercepted the shipment, tampered with security settings so that they could at a later date overload the battery. But yeah, no personal knowledge of what could be true or not, just my own imagination
Well yes, I think it's fairly certain that these devices were intercepted somewhere in the supply chain and that there must have been some explosive material added. And then they tampered with the device firmware to trigger it at some point, or to trigger it when receiving a certain message. We will never know for sure, but that seems like the most reasonable conclusion at this point. Israeli intelligence likely had someone or a source very close to the people dealing with the pager replacement.
@@kalmenbarkin5708 this isn't sabotaging communication like radio tower or what ever this is installing an explosive inside an every day object that can be easily and freely distributed to anyone
@@gaintmoleperson4660 yeah famously militaries and military organizations distribute their encrypted military communications devices running on their encrypted network to “anyone” 🙄 It’s not a random every day device. It’s a military issued communications device running on a military network. This situation is honestly a great litmus test for Israel critics. It exposes whether you’ll find a way to oppose anything Israel ever does or are actually critiquing them in good faith when they do fucked up shit like the stuff they’ve done recently in Gaza.
Has anyone estimated the size of the worldwide audience of the Tfg-Harris Debate? PS: I HATE the letters. It spells leggibbttiq. Call us Gay community. Or call us Sexual Minority.
I'm reading the Ground News summary of the second round of explody device attacks and it says: "'Walkie-talkies' explode across Lebanon in second day of blasts against Hezbollah targets. Hand-held radios used by Hezbollah detonated on Wednesday across Lebanon's south and in Beirut's southern suburbs, a security source and a witness said, further stoking tensions with Israel a day after similar explosions launched via the group's pagers." That is the softest landing I've seen media describe a terrorist attack in quite some time.
I have a traumatic brain injury. Gay veteran whatever. I guess I come across as weird and obsessive on the Internet. I promise I’m just goofy. ~ Dan looks like he always needs a hug 🤗 please give Dan a hug. He looks like a sad bulldog.
@@user36112 The consensus seems to be congregating around the theory that explosives were embedded into the pagers, rather than the batteries being overloaded. It shouldn't be possible to bypass the safety hardware and remotely overload the batteries in most electronic devices.
I t most likely wasn`t the batteries. Somebody else commented on the battery issue: " Ihave made and programmed battery systems. I don’t think anyone could get a normal comercial battery’s to fail at the same exact time. If the pagers randomly went off over the course of hours then maybe. However that video from the supermarket didnt look like a battery failure. Battery failures usually look more like a flare. Also battery failures involve lots of smoke."
@@Bertinator-nm9ldeven if that was true. I don't think the average person buys it. They think they have a technology to make lithium batteries now explode on demand.
That Belarussian conspiracy sounds like nonsense, but look up the history of Pokemon Go. Look into the companies, individuals, and funding. Think about the technology independent of the game.
I'm tired if hearing that the US is "trying" to get a peace deal in Gaza if it's not going to withhold weapons or aid to Israel. Any aid should be conditional on a plan for long term peace.
There was a ceasefire and Israel was working with Saudi Arabia as mediators to broker deals with Palestine before October 7th happened. People like you keep blaming Israel even though they're surrounded by jihadist enemies who view them as swine and want to wipe them off the earth.
When are people like you going to hold groups like Hamas and Hezbollah accountable?
Apparently Netanyahu has one of those Republican deals with Trump, as in he will stop the war when Trump is elected, which won't happen. (Reagan and Iran. Nixon and North Viet Nam.)
So why don't you go to the Islamic nazis and ask them for permanent peace? Bunch of western naive fools who know nothing about recent history with full confidence will come and say something so naive and stupid.
No, you don't understand that Kamala told Netanyahu that "they have to get a deal done."
So there's that........
It's "failing" at getting a peace deal
Glad they covered this but I don't think it can be overstated how much remotely detonating thousands of pagers at the same time is absolutely psychotic, dystopian shit.
Yeah. How is this not considered an act of terrorism?
@1imorton Because the West is racist, Isrl is deranged, and any claim of morality by either is absurd.
@@alexk8599 From our comfortable and stable life in the West, most war actions feel like absolutely psychotic dystopian shit.
Did you not also watch the opening days of the Ukraine war, and the footage coming out of there, with dumbfounded morbid fascination? We're not used to war.
@@1imorton 100% it is terrorism
i think they just are so used to seeing Israel as the good guys (largely b/c of racism and propaganda) that they can't see that. like does Israel seriously not have "blood on their hands"!?!? (their description of Hezbollah).
@@Bertinator-nm9ldBuddy. No one should be used to war. US needs to find a new business model to make money and retain control and power.
You answered your own question, Ben: the point of 'all this' is the continuation of the Netanyahu regime via perpetual conflict, and little else.
Not a fan of Netanyahu's but Iran isn't funding Hezbollah and Hamas because of Bibi.
I'm by no means a war-hawk and I have a strong bias as a Ukrainian American, but all these delays on weapons have hurt Ukraine substantially. While it's true there isn't a single weapon which is a golden bullet, there are TONS of examples of Ukraine not having weapon X hurting them substantially. One of the largest examples was during the Zaporizhzhia counter offensive and not having the longer range ATACMS to take out Russian helicopters. I get it's easy for me to be this aggressive, but at the same time this war has been going on for far too long to not allow Ukraine to strike military targets inside all of Russia and I've grown very tired of the US being concerned about "escalation" when the reality is Russia has zero shot against NATO and Russians know this too. They've escalated already all they realistically can.
@@specialK319319 that's not true. Ukrainian folk don't have the training or skills to use US weapons. So most are not useful.
The US has every right to be concerned about escalation. The fact that you think Russia has zero shot against NATO is troubling. Russia and NATO would not be fighting a conventional war, they would be fighting a nuclear war. That's because if they fought a conventional war like what's going on in Ukraine, they know if they crush the other side, then the other side will turn to nukes as a last action than concede defeat. But not only that, both sides while they are fighting a conventional war has to worry about at any moment one or the other side using nukes to get the drop on the other side. It's not only the losing side that could use nukes, you could be losing the war, thinking about how to make a comeback, and all of a sudden the winning side decides to launch nukes.
With all that uncertainty of a conventional war between nuclear powers, it would be in both the US and Russia's best interests to fire nukes as quickly as possible in the hopes they can take out the other side as quickly as possible and hope for the best on their side.
The war is going on too long because Western leaders have not been honest with the public. The LA Times 3 days after the war started said unless the US is willing to put American boots on the ground in Ukraine, Ukraine will lose the war and we'll be sending Ukrainians to their deaths just like the US did when it encouraged a Ukrainian insurgency in the 1950s. That statement is as true today as it was at the beginning of the war. Escalation will keep Ukraine in the fight but it will not help them win. And an escalation of letting Ukraine fire rockets into Russia is a bridge too far that could pull NATO into the war. Not only that but there are lots of countries surrounding Russia, including China. All of them have their own national security concerns and a Russia being hit with rockets and war on their land could trigger a refugee crisis like what happened with Ukrainians fleeing to Europe. And large scale immigration politically destabilizes countries. So you are giving countries surrounding Russia a reason to help Russia, not because they necessarily agree with Russia's war but because they need to protect their own national security. And that doesn't cover all the countries that trade with Russia that could suffer from turmoil in Russia that could rush to Russia's aid. The world is bigger than the Ukrainian war. None of this would serve the US's interests. Biden said he's uncomfortable lifting sanctions. Biden's responsibility is to the American people, not Ukraine. Our national security needs must come first in any functioning country.
With all due respect, you do sound like a war hawk. I'm sure if you talked to people you think are war hawks, they would have reasons just like you and reject the term. But we Americans really need to actually think of the ramifications of the choices we make as a nation.
@@jmhorange Ukraine hit Moscow with drones and Putin is in danger.
@jmhorange your entire comment really shows Americans have no clue about anything outside of the country. Most Americans are easily brainwashed about what's happening in America, forget the rest of the world.
US stopped Ukraine from signing the agreement two years ago and at the same time not giving weapons. American leadership, democrats, will never let Ukraine win or lose. They will use Ukraine to the last Ukranian. But bunch of Americans will run to social media and write a lot but say nothing
so glad you're admitting -albeit in a roundabout way- that your bias is fuelling your bizarre war hawk rationale.
I have made and programmed battery systems. I don’t think anyone could get a normal comercial battery’s to fail at the same exact time. If the pagers randomly went off over the course of hours then maybe. However that video from the supermarket didnt look like a battery failure. Battery failures usually look more like a flare. Also battery failures involve lots of smoke.
I copied this from my above post: 'm no expert but I can't think of a way you could take a stock pager and cause it to explode, unless it was charging. Plus the batteries in a pager are small so if they were to explode the danger would more likely be them setting fire to furniture. If the pagers were modified by Israel with some sort of explosive then I would think they'd also make them so they could 'eavesdrop' on communications, which would be invaluable information. So why would they want to destroy such a good intelligence source?
If someone has found a way to make batteries inside electronics explode via a signal of some kind then we are all in trouble.
This news story has most likely led to any terrorists or criminals using pagers to throw them away. I wouldn't be surprised if worldwide pager use has dropped to zero.
@@greatpix It's much much much easier to gain control of your cellphone, but no one has thrown those away, have they? I think Hezbollah operatives actually get rid of more traditional cellphones in favor of these pagers because the attack surface is much smaller. However, I think the odds are high that Israeli operatives might have gotten their hands on the devices somewhere in the supply chain.
@@robinmattheussen2395 That was my conclusion too but I also wondered why put explosives in them when adding eavesdropping or tracking electronics would be much more valuable? I would also think explosives could be sniffed out by dogs or electronic devices.
The worst part of this story is the death of that innocent little girl. This whole 'Eye for an eye.' mentality has got to be put to a stop and people learn to tolerate each other. Not be buddy, buddy. Just tolerate each other.
Yeah, something is definitely off about this whole story. For this to work, they'd have to plant modified pagers on the targets or there's some serious "deep state" nonsense going on with the manufacture of beepers. Everything I know about communications systems and small electronics doesn't match up with what I've heard.
EDIT: LOL, I just got to the "pager update" part and it's all starting to make sense.
@@greatpix it's now more like 10 ppl dead ( an infant and the 10 year old) plus all the injured/ amputees + today's newest bombing via walkie talkies, cell phones, etc.... The innocent lives lost are deplorable.
Ben: That was LAST century.
Tommy: **visibly ages**
Re: Aid to Ukraine; Did not the Republican dominated American Congress so delay aid to Ukraine that it cost Ukraine in lives, lost momentum and territory?
The honest discussion on Ukraine should be whether we actually want them to win. If the answer is yes, “escalation” is by definition a necessity until that goal is achieved. I’m of the mind that the election risk needs to be managed, but this is an unavoidable reality to reach our desired outcome.
@@dsmith33 yeah is that why last Saturday the whole world was nearly at nuclear war. Something we haven't seen since the 60s. Stop war mongering. No one in the west cares enough about Ukraine to go to war for it. Especially Nuclear war. Only Neo cons want Ukraine part of NATO. Let Ukraine remain outside of NATO. Honour the post cold war deal .
It`s good when Harris is looking into how women are treated in the military. The US military has a history of women being assaulted within it and leadership doing nothing to prevent that. (Which would actually be easy to do, it`s the military, there is strict protocols and safety measures for everything else.)
Am I the only one who disagrees that ‘Americans don't want to hear about foreign policy plan?’ If the media chose to inform people, I think they would care, they just won't seek out the information.
Try talking to yr neighbor about Israel and watch them run or eye roll. Lame duck Biden has preached our undying support. Israel has never been a good idea to support in decades and has never been a democracy.
@@riseandfall... Keeping them ignorant and more interested in Taylor Swift is part of the strategy
Hear?
Carnival sideshow distraction has been the business model of zombie media for decades.
Finally got so blatant we need to ditch them.
@@Roberta-q1q Yeah my grammar needed editing too; thanks for the heads up
@@riseandfall... ✌ 🖖
The pagers are reported as being manufactured in Hungary. I wonder what Orban will give as an explanation and what the EU will do, if anything.
I'm not sure what the country where they were manufactured has to do with anything.
Get facts! They were NOT made in Hungary.
@@judykinsman3258there was actually a shell company in Hungary that was used in the operation.
EU should mind it's own business. EU has its own hypocrisy to deal with and it's own islamic nazi problems
@@robinmattheussen2395 Orban is a strong ally to Israel and despises Muslims. Hungary was one of 10 or so countries in the World to vote against a ceasefire in Gaza. So I beg to differ. This needs to be properly investigated.
Best foreign policy podcast "in the world." I only wish some of the young men watching Benny and the other paid pro-Russia bro's listened to you guys instead. The US would be a saner place.
Ryan McBeth and Preston Stewart are true experts on foreign policies. Meanwhile these clowns give platforms to jihadis propagandists like Mehdi Hasan etc.
After how she manhandled Trump, I would much rather see her interfacing with world leaders than him.
If you don’t think that can happen here, your head is in the sand.
Are you guys doing a pro nsa podcast? That’s kinda fucked
Have you watched this podcast before?
I’m not sure a country with the most nukes and the most advanced military drone technology is in a position to critique the whole pager bomb op. Not disagreeing with the comments here, but we sit here in our cocoon, it’s easy to voice a POV.
Let us pray for peace.
I agree. Jill Stein 2024
Netanyahu's government is beyond reckless, let alone utterly amoral. We have to look at their behaviour and understand that Israel seems to want a wider conflict to drag the US into. It's tragic that the end result would be to make Israeli's less safe, but how can the US realistically afford to remain wholeheartedly supporting this government? When they're so hell-bent on chaos for their own political survival the US has to distance itself or it risks losing any credibility it may have internationally and there will continue to be extreme division internally which it cannot afford at this time.
Netanyahu & Ben G'vir ARE appalling, have been very bad, typical Right wing extremists... BUT it is silly to suggest Israel gets any benefit from the chaotic conflicts, when surrounded by people/organizations who open aim is their destruction!
Absolutely!
Absolutely 💯. I cannot believe how ridiculous and pathetic Biden has been with this whole thing.
You are 100% correct. However I hate to inform you but we lost our credibility on the world stage regarding international law decades ago regarding Israel. And even more so after our war in Iraq.
I'm hoping after Harris wins she'll feel comfortable enough to put her foot down on Netanyahu
???? I have a question… what happen to Hamas? Why is Israel focusing on Hezbollah?
As they stated in the video, hundreds of thousands of residents of northern Israel are displaced. That’s because since October 8th Hezbollah started firing like crazy to team up with Hamas to weaken Israel further, all controlled by Iran.
@@carmelfuchs7855😂😂 and Biden is a young fit man. Both are equally plausible. Netanyahu has been gunning for a war with Iran for decades.
Ben why won’t you just say it? You know exactly where “it all leads”
How is that not terrorism? They attacked citizens for a political message.
there is literally nothing Israel can do to satisfy you goons
What's the difference between the gangs and the police?
It is if anyone is honest, but it's not the worst they've done this month (let alone in the past several decades) and we've always made excuses.
There's nothing new here.
@@trifacto well, if they attacked Hezbollah members to weaken their military fighting force, then it's a different situation than you describe
@@Bertinator-nm9ld Except it's impossible for such an attack to be so specifically targeted at only Hezbollah. By its nature it's indiscriminate. There's no regard for whether this affected civilian areas and impossible to claim that civilian deaths were an unintended side effect.
The only reason this doesn't meet the definition of terrorism is because terrorism is defined is being carried out by a non-state actor, but that is an outdated definition now and there is no real difference between this and other terrorist atrocities.
I mean, you say impressive technology, I would argue that it's a really dire design flaw if something that's not meant to explode can be made to explode using nothing but a software program...
Why is the fight always about who is going to be tough on China? Just have a commercial relationship, and leave them alone.
Thanks for the International updates, guys...a much needed sojourn out of the upcoming US elections. Seems I must dive back in now...
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Ben Rhodes shouldn't really be talking about the Hezbollah-Israel issue because he doesn't really know the subject well at all. The idea of a diplomatic solution has been circulating for almost a year. It's never going to work and Israel has every right to stop the deadly harassment by any means. You can't have an operation that's going to affect the most numbers of Hezbollah terrorists without also getting some bystanders, especially if they are all mixed in with the civilian population. They don't care if they put others at risk. Just ask the other Lebanese people that hate Hezbollah and what they are doing to their country. Some of them put out an imagine of what the pager message must have been: "castrate the Hezbollah" members. They also put out a picture of naked men face-down on a hospital bed with just a bandage around their asses. That how non-Hezbollah people in Lebanon feel.
You guys talking about how people care more about the vibes of a candidate rather than there positions and record on foreign policy is exactly what it's like being an IT guy. Very few people want you to explain why there computer is acting up and hear a plan how your going to fix it except as far as it reassures them they have someone competent handling it and work is progressing.
"Should make you uncomfortable"? The level of tolerance for Israels actions even by intelligent people like Ben Rhodes is unintelligible.
Jews defending themselves is making progressives uncomfortable for quite some time now 😂😂😂😂😂
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of piss cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of pish cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
Did he just say chayney is responsible for some of the worst decisions in America but it’s not bad and this is why.
About the French PM: I think the only solution will be to find a tolerable more centrist candidate from the leftist coalition (the Nouveau Front Populaire). It's actually a very wide coalition, including center-left to far-left and fairly extreme parties. It might be a difficult process to find such a candidate, but there is bound to be an acceptable center-left candidate in there somewhere. I do understand the hesitancy of Macron to appoint a PM from the extreme wing of the coalition. Le Parti Socialiste is probably the biggest more centrist (for France) party to pick from. The party has been in very serious decline of the past years, but has been somewhat re-enforced through this election. Picking a PM from La France Insoumise (the party of Melonchon) is, I think, always going to end up with trouble. And make no mistake, Melonchon brand of demagoguery and ultrapopulism isn't very savory either. La France Insoumise has traditionally been in favor of rethinking France's membership of NATO as well.
I just finished “Losing the Long Game” by Philip Gordon who I understand is close to VP Harris. Ben is mentioned many times. Might make for an interesting guest interview. Also, how many geeks are there at the highest level? Handfuls, tens fifty?
@@michaelbrantl9399 I have it in my Kindle ready to tackle. Good to know another Worldo who takes book recommendations seriously. 🙌
Took 6 minutes for them to float the word "indiscriminate" into the discussion. what passes for courage in us media...
I'm no expert but I can't think of a way you could take a stock pager and cause it to explode, unless it was charging. Plus the batteries in a pager are small so if they were to explode the danger would more likely be them setting fire to furniture. If the pagers were modified by Israel with some sort of explosive then I would think they'd also make them so they could 'eavesdrop' on communications, which would be invaluable information. So why would they want to destroy such a good intelligence source?
If someone has found a way to make batteries inside electronics explode via a signal of some kind then we are all in trouble.
This news story has most likely led to any terrorists or criminals using pagers to throw them away. I wouldn't be surprised if worldwide pager use has dropped to zero.
Sincere question: Why is it that Israel's military is not classified as a terrorist organization? Is it just because it's a military?
I think so? I don’t think any uniformed state military is considered a terrorist org regardless of who the antagonistic power is. Terrorists, I think, are unsanctioned guerrilla/paramilitary groups. I’m not an expert though, so I might be wrong. I do think the IDF should be included in that definition though.
They're a traditional military, controlled by an officially recognized government, which often executes traditional military operations. Those are all traits that aren't generally associated with terrorist organizations.
I think that this is largely because of the fact that they are State Actors Even if the organizations are not classified this way - Tommy talked around this right at the head of hte podcast - any other party undertaking an action like this - it would have immediately been called an act of terror. I firmly believe that this is what this is - an act of terrorism. It's deplorable, frankly. No one seems either invested in, or capable of reigning in Isreal's behaviour, and how it clearly will destabilize the situation further.
AIPAC. Nothing to do with being a so called state actor. It has all to do with controlling US politics and Powerful folk.
Probably because a lot of other countries have their own issues and conflicts with the nations that Israel is fighting. I guess they figure Israel does its military operations and keeps the region in check? Acts like this make every civilian in the region a target. Horrible!
Honestly, this demands the U.S. withdraw its support from the Israeli military and intelligence services.
Does PSW have thoughts or observations on the US deployment of Army troops to remote Aleutian island in response to Russian and Chinese threats?
Reminder to the masses, we do have borders with countries other than Mexico and Canada. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
The NSA getting a podcast, something that is ostensibly about providing information, is ironic on a level I hadn't even considered until now. It's like if Chairman Mao hosted an episode of 'Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives'.
Maybe all their truck loads of data shows they have a massive image problem
@@Bvi9169 I don't think they needed to listen in on people's phone calls to figure that out. They're pretty much in a four-way tie with the CIA, the Minneapolis police department and airport security when comes to bad PR.
I had to forward past the UK football stuff and I don’t give a flying fuck about American football, college or professional.
Imagine USA sending soldiers anywhere without any air backup. It would never happen.
Everything we are sending is too little too late.
they were not really targetting just hezzbollah. they also exploded solar panels now...that's warfare on civilians too at this point
100%
Also doctors with pagers ended up getting hurt in the second attack. Absolutely wild.
I had to log into this because the pager/walkie-talkie thing has me dumbfounded as to how they accomplished this attack.
Sounds like a Neville Chamberlain cabinet meeting. "PEACE IN OUR TIME..."! Kumbaya
There are clearly no rules that apply to Israel - how did the world get here?
Is this a joke? Thousands of Northern Israelis have been displaced for months due to constant Hezb rockets. They retaliate months later and it’s all “muh Israel’s actions!!” The religion of pish cries foul every time they’re dealt a taste of their own poison
You need to change that title.
Israel did not “target hezbollah”. There was zero targeting here. It was indiscriminate terrorism.
@@SimonTmte You can always tell when someone knows their vile opinions are indefensible, when they’re aggressively rude.
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This Granny says F Putin. Solidarity with Ukraine. He won't stop there. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Okay, I've never commented on these vids but I gotta talk about Pokemon Go. That game was built off the back of another augmented reality real world location based video game called Ingress. Ingress was about a vague alien conspiracy where different factions tried to establish area control by establishing markers at prominent locations in the real world. Those hotspots from Ingress became Pokemon Go Pokestops and likely spawn zones for new Pokemon. So popular locations would become these heat zones. When I lived in DC it was always folks roaming the FDR Memorial. Anyway, the way Ingress and Pokemon got locations added as nodes was through public requests and pictures. My guess is that if a military base became a hot spot it's because their own personnel were playing either Ingress or Pokemon Go and made the nodes themselves. Niantic, the maker of the game, got in trouble a couple of times if I recall, for having these nodes on military bases because it was both a security risk identifying the location, but also it encouraged the public to go there to collect Pokemon or capture faction nodes on Ingress. I played both games a LOT and remember these things from the heydays of it.
If you don’t have the capacity to call this a clear terrorist attack your opinion means NOTHING.
“Think about where some people keep pagers… you’ll get the jizzed”
Georgia is doing what Ukraine did for a few decades and it didn’t work.
Solving it with diplomacy?... With Hezbollah???
Your brain is sooo smooth
All wars end with diplomacy and negotiation
@dodo-og2ss that's an old outdated model. Think outside the sqaure
I realize it’s a different part of the world, but people still use pagers…
They switched to pagers because the attack surfaces of those devices is much smaller. They ditched their phones. In fact, they only acquired these pagers fairly recently.
Lots of people still use pagers
@railroad1970
They had switched to pagers after that diplomat in Iran who was killed was located with his phone.
The pager attack: does this mark a turning point in warfare? Not so much guns, bombs, tanks; more tricky, specific, techy attacks.
So! Less mining of ores, desecration of the Earth for military needs?
Reference Putin and nukes. Yes, Putin may order the deployment of tactical nuclear devices. However, those orders have to be followed by generals. Russian generals lead very privileged lives as things stand. Any response from the West, and possibly China, to nuclear weapons will likely cause such harm as to end their comfortable lives. If they have to choose between Putin and their lives of privilege, I'd see them choosing themselves.
In one episode, you're ranting about the increasingly aggressive nuclear proliferation by China, Iran, and others, while in another, you say, 'Oh, Russia is a nuclear power; allowing Ukraine to strike inside Russia is a tough decision because the risks are too high.' How can you not see that the first issue is a direct consequence of the policy and mindset applied in the second?
I don't love this conversation about whether kamala can "handle" it or not even if their responses are positive because it's not a discussion that anyone considers with literally any male leader.
Great episode, I loved that you included Ukraine and just said the hard truth about the elections. I wish the (mainstream) media would take their responsibility and talk about escalation and the two key players building their policy on top of a Donald Trump win. Loved the other stuff too, but Ukraine and Russian aggression (so also Georgia and the Sahel conflicts) is very important to me.
About lobbyist claims, wunderwaffen don't exist, but it is also infuriating that slow decisions and deliveries enable Russians to prepare. So lobbyist statements about possible effects not being true is a bit rich (and not taking Michael Kofman's but the extreme opinions), since the way deliveries are set up, is often to make effects of deliveries a lot weaker than possible. Many SU34s could have been taken out, if decisive action was taken. This might all be intentional to cook the frog, but also means a heavy losses for Ukraine that they now have trouble to replace. That problem was created by policy. A cynic might say maybe also to push Ukraine to the negotiation table. (Though Ukraine deserves a fair part of criticism for the failed offensive) Which would be the opposite of giving Ukraine the best hand at the negotiation table.
Anyway thanks 🙏
Amazing stance. Pod save the world is angry people aren’t fence sitting. You claim the state department isn't weighing the issue in Ukraine or taking it seriously? How do you know? People are dying every day to Russias aggression, but you're more worried about people dying... the non commitment is a wild take.
Yes, god forbid that anyone actually thinks about the potential risk of escalation! I'm 100% for supporting Ukraine in this brutal war, but your inability to imagine that these actions require careful balancing is honestly stunning. And the idea that somehow the western allies are somehow "non committal" is fairly insane, considering how far certain governments have already gone to supply Ukraine with equipment for the past 10 years.
@robinmattheussen2395 it's insane you missed the point of my comment. Going back, OF COURSE they are considering the risk of escalation. But sure, believe whatever you want since everyone else makes shit up...
Abkazia and South Ossetia are interesting because acceptance of Abkazian autonomy inside the kingdom of Georgia goes back many centuries. The 2008 war would be almost better described as the War of South Ossetian Independence that brought in Russia and Abkazia as allies. Even to this day, Georgian's accept Abkazian autonomy as foundational to Georgian history. Georgians are kind of offended that South Ossetians have been elevated to the level of Abkazians in the international discourse.
Can we start calling hawkish Kamala The Bronze Lady?
Iron is already Maggie Thatcher.
Jeff Wiggins of Ohio taught me that Bronze people is used to describe assorted people of color where he lives.
I think a good point for Harris is when he says he's the toughest against these tough guy leaders she can say he says he's tough and she kicked his ass
Pagers? Like 90s tech?
the music from the NSA podcast sounds like it came from Maddow's Ultra.
10 minutes and you couldn't even call terrorism terrorism. Why even bother with the 10 minutes and the headline then?
7 minutes in and you seem to be working really hard to not call what operations like this are: terrorism.
First thing out to describe it as "interesting" is an... interesting choice.
They get funding from pro-Israeli types. They're not allowed to state the obvious. And, that's obvious.
If this was done with the battery, what does it say about all of us with much larger batteries in our cell phones..?
I'm a jets fan and i agree with Ben's feeling about rodgers.... especially after seeing sam darnold and geno smith play better somewhere else.... rodgers is just a mercenary and now the jets are in a win now situation
The Israeli pager attack quite demolished Israel's oft-asserted respect for civilian life during its military operations. Israel has long claimed that it uses near surgical precision in targeting enemy combatants and does its utmost to avoid civilian collateral fatalities. The pager attack gives the lie to Israel's declaration that it wages war in the most scrupulously moral way possible...and the indiscriminate nature of the attack--wherein non-combat zones and civilians were terribly impacted--has instilled a sense of terror in citizens. Hence this was an act of terrorism: Terrorism infects citizens' lives with a sense of terror through degrading their sense of security and normality.
Does anyone really have any respect for Israel anymore. People fear speaking up for reasons media has created. My god is it the colleage kids that are stupid? Really?
86% of people killed were terrorists
Ya'll making stuff up to skirt the issue that these physical devices were boobytrapped by a state with the express purpose of causing grievous bodily harm. Hope you don't trust your laptop or cellphone too much, because your discussion treats the possibility that it will be used to harm you as normal.
totes
"Swap the names"?!?!? That's a really casual way to equate a government with a terrorist group. You guys just lost me with that one idiotic comparison.
I think rangers got knocked down 4 leagues for their financial irregularities in the SPL
How can you talk about these pager bombings for half an hour and NOT call it terrorism?
This is not being serious.
They support the Democratic Party establishment. What radical criticism do you expect from them. I stopped tuning in long ago. This podcast is weak to the point of sounding just plain silly in the context of Israel's unchecked terrorism and the US' hideous complicity. The worst of all the Crooked podcasts. I tuned out of this episode after 10 minutes (out of which about three hours were about some American sports)
I can see the beginning of the movie about the DRC coup Americans:
(Livestream audio compression noises and the coup being captured on a phone by a young man) You're probably wondering how I ended up here. Well,
At the risk of being Kissinger-esque, from a tradecraft perspective, the Israeli operation was absolutely amazing. Hezbollah is leery of cell phones because they (rightly) believe that Israel has penetrated them (duh) so I can totally see pagers as a way of randomizing call-back numbers and making it more difficult to track. And then the RADIOS? Brilliant. Simply brilliant. And that's no battery malfunction. That's some engineering. And before the comments jump on me, yes I do understand that children were harmed ("Daddy, your thing is going off! Here it is....") but the moral failing of every single aspect of this conflict is so pervasive that this pales over the course of any given day. It doesn't seem "random" -- it's very specifically targeted to Hezbollah targets. Seems more specific than a Hellfire missile or a freakin' airstrike. As a mind-fuck, it's pretty overwhelming.
Had I been born as a Palestinian refugee, I'm not sure who I'd be more angry with but the neighboring Arab states who cleared populations for their invasions ought to rank high on the list. I'm a rabble-rouser at heart so I expect that I'd have been one of those rock-throwing, bomb-tossing young men. I have deep sympathy for the Palestinians but they are totally screwed by their own leadership and the rest of the world. I am far less sanguine about Israel's prospects under more-right-leaning governance -- the peril of becoming the thing you fear is real.
The Armenians have a long memory. The Irish seem to be getting over their own brutalization at the hands of the English (yes? please? rare bright spot!). I'm amazed that the Native Americans aren't more pissed. I'd like to think that there's some path forward for an integrated society in the state of Israel but I'm not holding my breath.
@clintkaster6269
Children were KILLED. 😭
@@cassandratq9301which is objectively bad, but you have to see that the design of this attack was intended to limit that type of collateral damage.
When are we going to stop financially and materially supporting an administration that habitually engages in deliberate acts of terrorism?
I don’t think the pokemon story is that crazy. It is not so different to other long used intelligence gathering tactics: like getting soldiers to send images of tinder, insta, etc. If you would want a lot of young soldiers to use their smartphones and involuntarily share a lot of data about a place putting a valuable pockemon there would be very effective. I have a younger sibling that was addicted to that game and there would have been very little that would have stopped here from using her smartphone if a valuable pokemon showed up somewhere. I doubt work regulations would have stopped here.
Did I miss mention of Venezuela in this episode?
Yikes.. this podcast gets more anti-Israel week by week.
It's a shame. It used to be a decent listen.
Soccer world... (rages).. FOOTBALL YOU SLAG!!
You mention Michel Barnier and do not mention Brexit?
so I thought maybe they planted explosives, maybe they messed with the battery. What if they did some kind of combination, intercepted the shipment, tampered with security settings so that they could at a later date overload the battery. But yeah, no personal knowledge of what could be true or not, just my own imagination
Well yes, I think it's fairly certain that these devices were intercepted somewhere in the supply chain and that there must have been some explosive material added. And then they tampered with the device firmware to trigger it at some point, or to trigger it when receiving a certain message. We will never know for sure, but that seems like the most reasonable conclusion at this point. Israeli intelligence likely had someone or a source very close to the people dealing with the pager replacement.
Im genuinely confused on how some people dont think this pager attack isnt terrorism
Not sure what you mean with the double negative and all but sabotaging military communications networks is generally not considered terrorism
@@kalmenbarkin5708 this isn't sabotaging communication like radio tower or what ever this is installing an explosive inside an every day object that can be easily and freely distributed to anyone
@@gaintmoleperson4660 yeah famously militaries and military organizations distribute their encrypted military communications devices running on their encrypted network to “anyone” 🙄
It’s not a random every day device. It’s a military issued communications device running on a military network.
This situation is honestly a great litmus test for Israel critics. It exposes whether you’ll find a way to oppose anything Israel ever does or are actually critiquing them in good faith when they do fucked up shit like the stuff they’ve done recently in Gaza.
Good sports owners: Packers.
What a terrible take. Israel isn’t opening a second front, Hezbollah opened it October 8th, 2023.
True.
Has anyone estimated the size of the worldwide audience of the Tfg-Harris Debate?
PS: I HATE the letters. It spells leggibbttiq. Call us Gay community. Or call us Sexual Minority.
Wonder whose side they’ll take
Israel has officially condemned this act and has offered free replacements of pagers and walkie-talkies for the survivors
Did they also hand out a bunch of sticks of dynamite, with the word, "cigar" painted down the sides?
I'm reading the Ground News summary of the second round of explody device attacks and it says: "'Walkie-talkies' explode across Lebanon in second day of blasts against Hezbollah targets. Hand-held radios used by Hezbollah detonated on Wednesday across Lebanon's south and in Beirut's southern suburbs, a security source and a witness said, further stoking tensions with Israel a day after similar explosions launched via the group's pagers."
That is the softest landing I've seen media describe a terrorist attack in quite some time.
I have a traumatic brain injury. Gay veteran whatever. I guess I come across as weird and obsessive on the Internet. I promise I’m just goofy. ~ Dan looks like he always needs a hug 🤗 please give Dan a hug. He looks like a sad bulldog.
Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Well that's disturbing that they can explode lithium batteries. How are normal average civilian safe?
Try not to get your devices from hezbollah
@@earlvikAnother field tested weapon to sell??? Barbaric
@@user36112 The consensus seems to be congregating around the theory that explosives were embedded into the pagers, rather than the batteries being overloaded.
It shouldn't be possible to bypass the safety hardware and remotely overload the batteries in most electronic devices.
I t most likely wasn`t the batteries. Somebody else commented on the battery issue: " Ihave made and programmed battery systems. I don’t think anyone could get a normal comercial battery’s to fail at the same exact time. If the pagers randomly went off over the course of hours then maybe. However that video from the supermarket didnt look like a battery failure. Battery failures usually look more like a flare. Also battery failures involve lots of smoke."
@@Bertinator-nm9ldeven if that was true. I don't think the average person buys it. They think they have a technology to make lithium batteries now explode on demand.
Shouldn't this reall scare Putin and Netanyahu? Who knew this was possible?
Thanks for the info : you guys rock. We need the Latino men in Pennsylvania so Dems need to go there and speak Spanish.
(not interested in your local teams phht)
it cant be just software
That Belarussian conspiracy sounds like nonsense, but look up the history of Pokemon Go. Look into the companies, individuals, and funding. Think about the technology independent of the game.
What about golf?
... The method of capital punishment is not the issue. Odd detail to mention for color.
LOL "WEIRD ASIAN VIBE"
Pokémon go get some Belarusian intelligence.
Doctors carry pagers.
Issued by the hospital not Hezbollah a terrorist organization
@@usernamejax1the front was a 20 year old fake company. Can one could have purchased them
6:02 is this not a war crime due to how indiscriminate it is just like in general?